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On Tue, 2012-03-20 at 14:49 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de writes:
No. The goal should be to have something which is easy to debug.
I don't agree. I'm happy to trade frequency of problems for more
difficult debugging in the rare cases that problems still happen.
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On Mar 21, Svante Signell svante.sign...@telia.com wrote:
And how do you expect non-experts be able to solve problems when they
pop up. Buying consultant services from the experts?
Non-experts are not able to solve any problem, so this is not an issue.
--
ciao,
Marco
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On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 09:29 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Mar 21, Svante Signell svante.sign...@telia.com wrote:
And how do you expect non-experts be able to solve problems when they
pop up. Buying consultant services from the experts?
Non-experts are not able to solve any problem, so this
* Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it [120321 09:34]:
On Mar 21, Svante Signell svante.sign...@telia.com wrote:
And how do you expect non-experts be able to solve problems when they
pop up. Buying consultant services from the experts?
Non-experts are not able to solve any problem, so this is not an
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes:
On Mar 21, Svante Signell svante.sign...@telia.com wrote:
And how do you expect non-experts be able to solve problems when they
pop up. Buying consultant services from the experts?
Non-experts are not able to solve any problem, so this is not an
issue.
Technical and other merits of contending init systems have been
discussed here at some length. I think we should focus on another
question, namely, which alternative is best suited to *Debian*, taking
into consideration Debian's developer community structure (many
independent package maintainers,
On 03/21/2012 09:29 AM, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Mar 21, Svante Signell svante.sign...@telia.com wrote:
And how do you expect non-experts be able to solve problems when they
pop up. Buying consultant services from the experts?
Non-experts are not able to solve any problem, so this is not an
* Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it [2012-03-21 09:34]:
On Mar 21, Svante Signell svante.sign...@telia.com wrote:
And how do you expect non-experts be able to solve problems when they
pop up. Buying consultant services from the experts?
Non-experts are not able to solve any problem, so this is
And how do you expect non-experts be able to solve problems when they
pop up. Buying consultant services from the experts?
Non-experts are not able to solve any problem, so this is not an issue.
You are even unable to understand how brilliant I am you poor
On 03/20/2012 10:49 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de writes:
On 03/17/2012 08:20 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Mar 17, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote:
Have you noticed that both myself and Phil Hands took the decision to
write a sysv init lib, to avoid code
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Matthias Klose d...@debian.org writes:
On 19.03.2012 15:34, Jonathan Nieder wrote:
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Did you read the wiki page?
Yes. Is the kind of information on which calling convention, basic
system library structures, and so on form the ABI for a given tuple
that I was
On Mar 21, Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org wrote:
Non-experts are not able to solve any problem, so this is not an issue.
I'm really fed up with this elitism.
I am fed up with other cathegories of people, but for some reason the
Debian listmasters requested that I do not discuss this here.
]] Svante Signell
On Tue, 2012-03-20 at 14:49 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de writes:
No. The goal should be to have something which is easy to debug.
I don't agree. I'm happy to trade frequency of problems for more
difficult debugging in the rare cases
On 20/03/12 20:11, Ivan Krylov wrote:
Sandbox is a library (and helper utility) to run programs in a sandboxed
environment. This is used as a QA measure to try and prevent applications
from
modifying files they should not.
Is sandbox secure (in the sense that an actively malicious
On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 12:11 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] Svante Signell
And how do you expect non-experts be able to solve problems when they
pop up. Buying consultant services from the experts?
I don't expect non-experts to be able to solve problems with init
scripts any more or
On Mar 21, Thomas Hood jdth...@gmail.com wrote:
The proposal to drop support for kernels other than Linux has already
been adequately aired. For the sake of focus I'd like to make the
assumption in this thread that support for alternative kernels and
architectures will not be dropped on
]] Svante Signell
On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 12:11 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] Svante Signell
And how do you expect non-experts be able to solve problems when they
pop up. Buying consultant services from the experts?
I don't expect non-experts to be able to solve problems with
Marco d'Itri writes (Re: On init in *Debian*):
On Mar 21, Thomas Hood jdth...@gmail.com wrote:
The proposal to drop support for kernels other than Linux has already
been adequately aired. For the sake of focus I'd like to make the
assumption in this thread that support for alternative
On 03/20/2012 07:14 AM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] Russ Allbery
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes:
On Mar 17, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
It is for trivial cases (90% of init scripts) that this is the most
interesting. Non-trivial cases could still be handled by shipping a
On 21.03.2012 11:26, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Matthias Klosed...@debian.org writes:
On 19.03.2012 15:34, Jonathan Nieder wrote:
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Did you read the wiki page?
Yes. Is the kind of information on which calling convention, basic
system library structures, and so
Le mercredi 21 mars 2012 à 13:39 +, Ian Jackson a écrit :
Marco d'Itri writes (Re: On init in *Debian*):
On Mar 21, Thomas Hood jdth...@gmail.com wrote:
The proposal to drop support for kernels other than Linux has already
been adequately aired. For the sake of focus I'd like to make
On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 14:44 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] Svante Signell
Regarding who is expert or not, can the people who considers themselves
as such (others shouldn't bother) do a _scientific_ comparison of the
three alternatives with respect to important features. First step would
Le lundi 19 mars 2012 à 23:17 +0100, Christoph Egger a écrit :
*iff* it was reasonably clear porting upstart would be the required
step I'm rather certain -bsd@ would be working on it. But please noone
expect us to support multiple -- currently linux-only -- init
alternatives just because
Svante Signell svante.sign...@telia.com writes:
How on earth would anybody be able to make a decision if there are no
comparisons between the alternatives available?
I personally decided to install systemd to one of my machines to learn
how it works. I'd recommend this to anyone in this thread
On Mar 21, 2012 10:57 AM, Svante Signell svante.sign...@telia.com wrote:
On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 14:44 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] Svante Signell
Regarding who is expert or not, can the people who considers
themselves
as such (others shouldn't bother) do a _scientific_ comparison of
It' said that the 2 main advantage of systemd are parallel and
much simpler configuration file.
Is it possible to implement an init system for kFreeBSD and Hurd,
which init system support the configuration file format, while doesn't
support parallel.
Then for maintainer of packages with service,
Svante Signell svante.sign...@telia.com writes:
On Tue, 2012-03-20 at 14:49 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
I don't agree. I'm happy to trade frequency of problems for more
difficult debugging in the rare cases that problems still happen. In
other words, provided that a new solution exposed a
Le 21.03.2012 10:01, Bernhard R. Link a écrit :
* Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it [120321 09:34]:
On Mar 21, Svante Signell svante.sign...@telia.com wrote:
And how do you expect non-experts be able to solve problems when
they
pop up. Buying consultant services from the experts?
Non-experts are
Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de writes:
On 03/20/2012 10:49 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
I don't agree. I'm happy to trade frequency of problems for more
difficult debugging in the rare cases that problems still happen.
How can you be sure that such problems will happen less often?
I apply basic
YunQiang Su wzss...@gmail.com writes:
It' said that the 2 main advantage of systemd are parallel and much
simpler configuration file.
Is it possible to implement an init system for kFreeBSD and Hurd, which
init system support the configuration file format, while doesn't support
parallel.
Simon McVittie s...@debian.org writes:
On 20/03/12 20:11, Ivan Krylov wrote:
Sandbox is a library (and helper utility) to run programs in a sandboxed
environment. This is used as a QA measure to try and prevent applications
from
modifying files they should not.
Is sandbox secure (in
Josselin Mouette writes (Re: On init in *Debian*):
Just because a few vocal people disagree with it, doesn’t mean there is
consensus against it.
Just because a few vocal people want to throw out KFreeBSD, doesn't
mean there is consensus for it.
Anyway, the point of these discussions is not to
On 03/21/2012 09:22 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:
The primary problem with supporting systemd on kFreeBSD is that it uses
Linux-specific facilities for discovering system events and hence knowing
when to start or stop particular services, and for tracking services so
that it knows when they're
On 2012-03-21 15:57:23 +0100 (+0100), Josselin Mouette wrote:
This is a reasonable position to take, but if it is the general
position of kFreeBSD developers, it completely dismisses the
shrieks of all those asking to not choose a solution that
currently doesn’t work for kFreeBSD.
I've been
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:06:22AM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
On 03/20/2012 10:49 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
I don't agree. I'm happy to trade frequency of problems for more
difficult debugging in the rare cases that problems still happen.
How can you be sure that such problems will happen
David Weinehall wrote:
On my machine (which might not be the least bit representative of an
normal machine -- whatever what would be), the length of the init
scripts ranges from 8 to 653 lines, with the average being 115 lines.
I got curious. I used my workstation as a basis.
Total Numbers:
John H. Robinson, IV jaq...@debian.org writes:
Not that I think it matters at all, but I did also find 30 occurences of
sleep being called. Anywhere from .1 seconds, up to 5 seconds.
Yeah, this is why so many people are excited about a more event-driven
boot. Most (hopefully, eventually, all)
On 03/21/2012 05:42 PM, Thomas Hood wrote:
Technical and other merits of contending init systems have been
discussed here at some length. I think we should focus on another
question, namely, which alternative is best suited to *Debian*, taking
into consideration Debian's developer community
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Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes:
I really think that what's missing here is:
- Improve sysvinit and make it better to fit our needs without breaking
anything (eg: less scripts redundancy, parallel booting, ...).
If you added to sysvinit cgroup support or something similar (so that we
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Le mercredi 21 mars 2012 à 16:49 +, Ian Jackson a écrit :
Josselin Mouette writes (Re: On init in *Debian*):
Just because a few vocal people disagree with it, doesn’t mean there is
consensus against it.
Just because a few vocal people want to throw out KFreeBSD, doesn't
mean there is
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote:
I really think that what's missing here is:
- Improve sysvinit and make it better to fit our needs without breaking
anything (eg: less scripts redundancy, parallel booting, ...).
You're missing the point. We already have
Hi,
i find it difficult and time-consuming to explain, with limited vocabulary
(english is not my mother tongue), to an upstream developer that his tarball
is not properly licensed.
For example i've seen software that was intended to be free, released without
any license, or with missing license
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]] Svante Signell
On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 14:44 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] Svante Signell
Regarding who is expert or not, can the people who considers themselves
as such (others shouldn't bother) do a _scientific_ comparison of the
three alternatives with respect to important
Hi,
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:39:26PM +0100, Jérémy Lal wrote:
i find it difficult and time-consuming to explain, with limited vocabulary
(english is not my mother tongue), to an upstream developer that his tarball
is not properly licensed.
For example i've seen software that was intended to
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Programming
On 21.03.2012 18:23, Allison Randal wrote:
I recall this as one of the key differences: systemd is tightly coupled
to the Linux kernel, while upstart is not. I was curious, so asked Scott
James Remnant (upstart's creator), and he says it wouldn't be much
effort to port upstart to kFreeBSD and
I'm really a horrible person and I'm excellent at writing files like
debian/rules. From my perspective it's perfectly clear that a simple
tool designed to write perfect debian/rules files would have no chance
at writing a debian/copyright file. I understand that for decades there
has been a large
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Hi Mike,
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:00 PM, Mike Mestnik che...@mikemestnik.netwrote:
I say one can easily split technical
and legal responsibility without the need for any gray lines.
While I am certainly not opposed to your idea in principle - that everyone
has something to contribute
On 03/21/12 20:36, Jonathan Yu wrote:
Hi Mike,
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:00 PM, Mike Mestnik che...@mikemestnik.net
mailto:che...@mikemestnik.net wrote:
I say one can easily split technical
and legal responsibility without the need for any gray lines.
While I am certainly not
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On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:54:40 +0100, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
Le mercredi 21 mars 2012 à 13:39 +, Ian Jackson a écrit :
Marco d'Itri writes (Re: On init in *Debian*):
On Mar 21, Thomas Hood jdth...@gmail.com wrote:
The proposal to drop support for kernels other than
Le Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 08:00:06PM -0500, Mike Mestnik a écrit :
I'm really a horrible person and I'm excellent at writing files like
debian/rules. From my perspective it's perfectly clear that a simple
tool designed to write perfect debian/rules files would have no chance
at writing a
folks, hi,
please take a deep breath before reading.
i'm keenly aware of the view that many people hold of me in debian.
that i'm even bringing something to your attention and asking for your
help (not for me, personally) should therefore tell you a lot more
than needs to actually be said.
i'm
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