Bugs for packages which don't exist anymore / missing maintainer

[Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo]

Hello,

I don't know if there's a more appropriate place to ask for this, if
so please tell me.

While looking for a bug report that I knew that existed but that I
couln't find, I noticed that the bug was assigned to
libwhatever-SOVERSION_OLD, and that the current package in the archive
contains libwhatever-SOVERSION_NEW, so the bug report was kind of
orphaned, in a limbo, and there's no maintainer assinged.

Complete listing of bug reports with missing maintainer (it takes a
few minutes to load, so **please don't "slashdot" the server by
mindless clicking**):
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?maint=

Then I was searching and found more cases like this one, for example
for these packages (emacs21 and python2.4) which doen't exist anymore
(except in oldstable and some ports [1] [2]):
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=emacs21
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=python2.4

Near the top of the page says: "There is no maintainer for emacs21.
This means that this package no longer exists (or never existed).
Please do not report new bugs against this package."

So I have several related questions:

1) In general, what should the maintainers do to prevent such cases?
I guess that one could reassign the bugs from the old package to the
new one, but it seems obvious that this can be oversought easily,
especially for libpackages where SOVERSION changes often.  Is there
any automatic mechanism in place to try to prevent this?

2) What to do now with all of these bug reports?  Reassign them to the
related source package in unstable?  Contact QA? Nothing at all?


Cheers.

[1] http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=emacs21
[2] http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=python2.4


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Re: Standard C Library complance test suite

[John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell]

Oh sorry.  I saw BSD MIT not glibc.  And I've never heard a complaint about GPL.  Kernigan / Ritche 
wrote C I can't think you'd ever erase that however :)  Pascal might be more!


While cygwin may have a "suite" they are a private company I wouldn't bet to dl and use it without a 
lawyer reading any "corporate provided license" they've wrote, my personal preference that is.


~~ True Public Domain released by by Government (ie, like the speach processing core of "Dragon 
Speak") are Not always easy to find ~~  Most "free authors" believe GPL is free to use (except in 
spite of authors).  I do.


If they are "valued gov. work" they tend to get shuffled and end up in certain 
hands.

Good luck.  Sorry if I'm all wet on my eyes not seeing it !

John

Jonathan Yu wrote:
He mentions in the message that he's looking for one with a more liberal 
license than GPL, so this seems like a no go.



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Re: On init in Debian

[Russ Allbery]

Josselin Mouette  writes:

> I’ve not seen many people interested specifically in upstart in this
> discussion, apart from Canonical employees.

For the record, I'm interested specifically in upstart because I think
that alignment with Ubuntu is a major win for Debian in terms of the
ecosystem and aiding our already extensive sharing of packages.

I don't consider that benefit to be overwhelming, and I could be convinced
that systemd is the way to go even if it doesn't give us that if it's
sufficiently technically better.  But I think it's an important thing to
keep in mind.

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Re: On init in Debian

[Uoti Urpala]

Russ Allbery wrote:
> Samuel Thibault  writes:
> > It is apparently trying to be a *Linux* standard, being adopted by all
> > distributions.
> 
> That's not at all clear to me.  It seems more to be trying to be a good
> init system used by Fedora, and beyond that it's left to people to make up
> their own minds, although of course the author thinks it's good and more
> people should use it.  Most people like the things they've written.  :)

I think systemd does clearly aim to be a Linux standard. A number of
features exist specifically for the sake of allowing better cross-distro
compatibility. Some previous distribution-specific interfaces on Fedora
have been deprecated. Upstream has explicitly talked about a goal
standardizing interfaces between distributions and about specific
integration issues with other distributions that affect systemd design
(for example in http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/on-etc-sysinit.html).
Some GNOME features have started using systemd interfaces and deprecated
the previous implementation (at least ConsoleKit).

The goal seems to be to eventually have systemd in a position similar to
udev, which is now quite "standard" and is not usually considered as
"distro-specific" software.



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Bug#666553: ITP: fonts-dosis -- very simple, rounded, sans serif font family

[Bernhard Reiter]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Bernhard Reiter 


* Package name: fonts-dosis
  Version : 1.7
  Upstream Author : Pablo Impallari 
* URL : http://impallari.com/dosis
* License : OFL 1.1
  Description : very simple, rounded, sans serif font family



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Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)

[Matthias Klumpp]

Hi!
As PackageKit maintainer, I would like to say that we have
GNOME-PackageKit as high-lever package manager and Synaptic as
low-level PM for GNOME, and that Apper as a high-level package manager
is available on KDE.
So, I don't really see a problem with package-managers itself here,
you would just need to make one default for the metapackages.
Regards,
   Matthias

2012/3/31 Josselin Mouette :
> Le samedi 31 mars 2012 à 17:10 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit :
>> So your answere to "There is no garphical package manager being
>> installed for the desktop" is "there is no problem"?
>
> It’s the KDE team’s problem. If they feel like a low-lever package
> manager is not necessary for their desktop, it’s definitely their choice
> to make their metapackages so.
>
> GNOME metapackages have included several package management UIs (one
> low-level, one high-level, and more packages for extra features) for at
> least two releases, and I don’t think this will stop (although it would
> be nice to have a better integrated low-level UI).
>
> --
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Bug#666546: ITP: fonts-cabin -- humanist sans serif font

[Bernhard Reiter]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Bernhard Reiter 


* Package name: fonts-cabin
  Version : 1.5
  Upstream Author : Pablo Impallari 
* URL : http://impallari.com/cabin
* License : OFL 1.1
  Description : humanist sans serif font



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Re: On init in Debian

[Petter Reinholdtsen]

[Thomas Goirand]
> By the way, does anyone know a way to count the numbers of init
> script with have archive wide? It'd be nice to know how much work it
> would be to rewrite absolutely all init.d scripts, and how many
> source package this involves.

I did a count of binary packages with init.d scripts at the start of
the dependency based boot sequence work.  Back then, it was around
1000 binary packages.  I used apt-file search /etc/init.d/ to count. :)
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Re: On init in Debian

[Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez]

On 31/03/12 17:40, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 03/30/2012 09:46 AM, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote:
>> This can be the solution we are looking to tie together the different
>> init systems.
>>   
> Hi,
> 
> Others have already expressed their view that using a *new* format
> for the init scripts isn't something they want. I wouldn't like to have
> to use yet another system, which would mean that we wouldn't be
> able to take upstream init script and just do very little adaptation to
> make it work in Debian. Here, we're talking about *always* having
> to rewrite all from scratch, not just few times.
> 

Yes, after reading the full thread I think that the best approach is the
one proposed by Tollef (a GSoC project to implement a tool that converts
systemd unit files to sysvinit).

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/03/msg00581.html



> By the way, does anyone know a way to count the numbers of init
> script with have archive wide? It'd be nice to know how much work
> it would be to rewrite absolutely all init.d scripts, and how many
> source package this involves.
> 
> Thomas
> 
> 
You have this here:

http://wiki.debian.org/MetaInit/InitSurvey

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Bug#666541: [Wish] package OpenSearch descriptions for reuse by all browsers

[Thomas Koch]

Package: general
Severity: wishlist

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I'd like to see a package like "opensearch-descriptions" in Debian containing a
comprehensive database of opensearch description documents. Browser packages
should depend on this package to provide a consistent set of opensearch
providers.

Not all search engines contained in the package should be included by default in
all browsers. The package should rather provide a mechanism to select and
deselect individual search engines system wide or for a user account.

Databases of opensearch descriptions:

 * http://mycroft.mozdev.org
 * http://www.searchplugins.net

The package should also provide support for extension-packages, that provide
additional search engines.

Thomas Koch
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Re: On init in Debian

[Thomas Goirand]

On 03/30/2012 09:46 AM, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote:
> This can be the solution we are looking to tie together the different
> init systems.
>   
Hi,

Others have already expressed their view that using a *new* format
for the init scripts isn't something they want. I wouldn't like to have
to use yet another system, which would mean that we wouldn't be
able to take upstream init script and just do very little adaptation to
make it work in Debian. Here, we're talking about *always* having
to rewrite all from scratch, not just few times.

By the way, does anyone know a way to count the numbers of init
script with have archive wide? It'd be nice to know how much work
it would be to rewrite absolutely all init.d scripts, and how many
source package this involves.

Thomas


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Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)

[Josselin Mouette]

Le samedi 31 mars 2012 à 17:10 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : 
> So your answere to "There is no garphical package manager being
> installed for the desktop" is "there is no problem"?

It’s the KDE team’s problem. If they feel like a low-lever package
manager is not necessary for their desktop, it’s definitely their choice
to make their metapackages so.

GNOME metapackages have included several package management UIs (one
low-level, one high-level, and more packages for extra features) for at
least two releases, and I don’t think this will stop (although it would
be nice to have a better integrated low-level UI).

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Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)

[Goswin von Brederlow]

Josselin Mouette  writes:

> Le vendredi 30 mars 2012 à 22:12 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : 
>> Gnome-desktop, not gnome. Gnome-desktop would depend on base-deskop and
>> gnome and maybe a few more gnome-ish things that aren't in gnome.
>
> I’d appreciate if you could stop beating a horse that’s been dead since
> before the lenny release. We know perfectly well how our metapackages
> articulate with d-i, and vice versa, thank you.

So your answere to "There is no garphical package manager being
installed for the desktop" is "there is no problem"?

If my idea is bad then present a better one or say why it is bad so
people can think of something better. The initial problem is not solved
so it is far from a dead horse.

MfG
Goswin


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Bug#666527: ITP: ssb-sprom -- A tool for modification of the Broadcom Sonics Silicon Backplane SPROM

[Dominik George]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Dominik George 

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* Package name: ssb-sprom
  Version : 20120331 
  Upstream Author : Michael Buesch  
* URL : http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 
* License : GPL-2 
  Programming Lang: C 
  Description : A tool for modification of the Broadcom Sonics Silicon 
Backplane SPROM

The ssb-sprom tool allows for the modification of Broadcom Sonics Silicon
Backplane SPROM data, e.g. the MAC address or the PCI IDs.

This is especially useful if your BIOS checks the device IDs at boot as some
vendors (Compaq/HP) do in notebooks to prevent the use of third-party hardware.

The SPROM data is exposed through sysfs in Linux.

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Re: On init in Debian

[Stig Sandbeck Mathisen]

Josselin Mouette  writes:

> I’ve not seen many people interested specifically in upstart in this
> discussion, apart from Canonical employees.

When the "People's Front of systemd" have met the "Campaign for a Free
sysvinit" on the field of debian-devel, and there are noone left save a
few penguins and a wee, confused beastie not quite named Chuck, the
"upstart Popular People's Front" will move in and restore order.

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Re: Standard C Library complance test suite

[Peter Miller]

On Sat, 2012-03-31 at 16:24 +1100, Peter Miller wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-03-30 at 20:02 +1100, Peter Miller wrote:
> > I'm looking for a Standard C Library compliance test suite.  I'd prefer
> > an open source one, preferably with a license more liberal than GPL,
> > e.g. BSD or MIT, which is why I can't just use the tests in the glibc
> > sources.

The Open Posix Test Suite focuses on posix, and has tests for a very few
ANSI C Library functions.
http://posixtest.sourceforge.net/
And it's GPL licensed, and I'd prefer a more liberal one.


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Bug#666495: ITP: plasma-widget-menubar -- plasma widget to display a global menubar

[Ritesh Raj Sarraf]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Ritesh Raj Sarraf 

* Package name: plasma-widget-menubar
  Version : 0.1.16
  Upstream Author : Aurélien Gâteau 
* URL : https://launchpad.net/plasma-widget-menubar
* License : GPL
  Programming Lang: C++
  Description : plasma widget to display a global menubar

A plasma widget to display a global menubar of application windows



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Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)

[Josselin Mouette]

Le vendredi 30 mars 2012 à 22:12 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : 
> Gnome-desktop, not gnome. Gnome-desktop would depend on base-deskop and
> gnome and maybe a few more gnome-ish things that aren't in gnome.

I’d appreciate if you could stop beating a horse that’s been dead since
before the lenny release. We know perfectly well how our metapackages
articulate with d-i, and vice versa, thank you.

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Re: On init in Debian

[Josselin Mouette]

Le vendredi 30 mars 2012 à 20:49 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen a écrit : 
> > What you think about extending this GSoC project to also implement the
> > translation from systemd unit files to upstart ones? it is worth ?
[snip] 
> This means I'm not going to invest time in it, but if somebody shows up
> with working, tested patches, they'll of course be taken into
> consideration.

I’ve not seen many people interested specifically in upstart in this
discussion, apart from Canonical employees.

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Re: On init in Debian

[Josselin Mouette]

Le samedi 31 mars 2012 à 00:18 +0200, Samuel Thibault a écrit : 
> > For Linux?  Not particularly.
> 
> If it's *not* for solving everyone's use case, then it's not good for
> making it a default init implementation.

Because it’s a well-known fact that sysvinit solves everyone’s use case.

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