Le Tue, May 01, 2012 at 05:22:34PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
See, for example, the --help output of any recent configure script:
| Some influential environment variables:
| CC C compiler command
| CFLAGS C compiler flags
| LDFLAGS linker flags, e.g. -Llib dir
Hi again,
Steve Langasek wrote:
[Dropped Cc; what does any of this have to do with the DPL?]
I was alerting him to a conversation that was going nowhere fast,
in the hope that he might use his power to
participate in discussions amongst the Developers in a helpful
way
It has
Hello,
On Tue, 1 May 2012 23:03:38 +0200
Philipp Kern pk...@debian.org wrote:
I wonder why many people in this thread still don't understand this.
And also I can't see why some find this annoying behaviour or
something wrong. There's absolutely nothing wrong with what it does
now, as
Is this the right time to do it?
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On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
Is this the right time to do it?
Not sure whether it's the right time, but I'm sure it's something I've
been waiting for quite some time. :-)
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On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 10:02:37AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Is this the right time to do it?
No. Cron needs some way to report about its jobs, mdadm has to notify about
failures, etc, etc.
On the other hand, going from a full blown MTA like exim to something like
ssmtp or dma¹ would be a
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On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 08:18:07PM +0200, Philipp Kern wrote:
So just stop Postfix doing the conversion?
It's not just postfix, it's at least courier and sendmail and various
propiertary MTA's do conversions when encountering default configured
exims.
It would be a RFC violation to just pass
Le dimanche 29 avril 2012 à 18:45 +0100, Roger Leigh a écrit :
As a
trivial example: systemd creates user session information in
/run/user/$user . I brought up with lennart the fact that this would
only permit one session per user. He rejected out of hand the fact
that more than one
On Wed, 2 May 2012, Riku Voipio riku.voi...@iki.fi wrote:
It would be a RFC violation to just pass 8bit mails to servers not
advertizing 8bitmime. It would be rfc compatible to the sending server
to bounce instead of qp-converting 8bit mails, but that would arguably
be even worse.
No,
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 08:44:12AM +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote:
No it doesn't if 8BITMIME annouces are turned off!
If exim receives an 8 bit mail, even if it hadn't announced 8BITMIME in
the EHLO response, it will relay that message verbatim to other hosts.
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On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 07:05:14PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
Having mail be silently corrupted is not acceptable.
Can you expand on silently corrupted, here? Is that when you re-encode the
mail and send it on as 7-bit, or when you leave it alone and send it as 8 bit
to a host that doesn't
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 10:37:31AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 10:02:37AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Is this the right time to do it?
No. Cron needs some way to report about its jobs, mdadm has to notify about
failures, etc, etc.
Indeed, some form of tighter
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl wrote:
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 10:02:37AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Is this the right time to do it?
No. Cron needs some way to report about its jobs, mdadm has to notify about
failures, etc, etc.
On the other hand,
On Wed, 2 May 2012, Jon Dowland j...@debian.org wrote:
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 07:05:14PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
Having mail be silently corrupted is not acceptable.
Can you expand on silently corrupted, here? Is that when you re-encode
the mail and send it on as 7-bit, or when you
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On Wednesday, May 02, 2012 07:23:13 PM Russell Coker wrote:
On Wed, 2 May 2012, Jon Dowland j...@debian.org wrote:
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 07:05:14PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
Having mail be silently corrupted is not acceptable.
Can you expand on silently corrupted, here? Is that when
On Wed, 02 May 2012, Aron Xu wrote:
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl wrote:
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 10:02:37AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Is this the right time to do it?
No. Cron needs some way to report about its jobs, mdadm has to notify about
On Wed, 2 May 2012, Scott Kitterman deb...@kitterman.com wrote:
It would be possible for a DKIM verification program to re-encode 7bit
messages to 8bit for a second attempt at verification. But if a DKIM
milter author was going to do tricky things then a better first option
would be to
* Russ Allbery r...@debian.org [120501 19:28]:
I have to admit that I'm tempted to change Policy from if there's no
consensus, rename both of them to if there's no consensus, try harder to
reach a consensus, and the technical committee decides in last resort.
Most of the time, renaming both
* Russ Allbery r...@debian.org [120501 18:18]:
David Bremner brem...@debian.org writes:
Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org writes:
My suggestion to everyone feeling the need to tell anyone on a public
mailing list that they should shut up because they are no contributors
is thus: Please
Hello,
On Wed, 2 May 2012 10:06:31 +0100
Jon Dowland j...@debian.org wrote:
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 08:44:12AM +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote:
No it doesn't if 8BITMIME annouces are turned off!
If exim receives an 8 bit mail, even if it hadn't announced 8BITMIME
in the EHLO response, it will
On 02/05/2012 14:49, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
* Russ Allbery r...@debian.org [120501 19:28]:
I have to admit that I'm tempted to change Policy from if there's no
consensus, rename both of them to if there's no consensus, try harder to
reach a consensus, and the technical committee decides in
Hi,
I just would like to warm up this thread a bit because I wonder if a
solution would be found in time for Wheezy release. It seems nobody
really seems to care about those suggested scripts and we are breaking a
certain amount of programs if mailcap entries are dropped without any
replacement.
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
Is this the right time to do it?
Wasn't this just recently discussed? Just replay the thread:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/10/msg00227.html
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Ok, might we proceed with the console-tools removal for wheezy?
Bugs have been filed against the following packages:
#645937 goto-fai
#671079 hotkey-setup
#671081 hibernate
#671082 gcpegg
to move to kbd rather than console-tools.
regards
Alastair
On 2011-10-19 16:37, Sven Joachim wrote:
On 2012-05-02 14:49:09 +0200 (+0200), Bernhard R. Link wrote:
On the other hand, if renaming both of them is the only possible
outcome if both parties cannot agree, it makes it more likely both
sides will actually be willing to discuss the matter, instead of
just issuing demands, hoping the
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On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 19:23 +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
On Wed, 2 May 2012, Jon Dowland j...@debian.org wrote:
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 07:05:14PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
Having mail be silently corrupted is not acceptable.
Can you expand on silently corrupted, here? Is that when you
PR == Petter Reinholdtsen p...@hungry.com writes:
PR You do not have to edit the init.d files themselves to override
PR their dependencies, and risk them going away during upgrades. I
PR created the possibility for the system administrator to insert
PR overrides in /etc/insserv/overrides/ for
On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 15:30 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
Hi,
I just would like to warm up this thread a bit because I wonder if a
solution would be found in time for Wheezy release. It seems nobody
really seems to care about those suggested scripts and we are breaking a
certain amount of
On 2012-05-02, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote:
I'm also not seeing GNOME applications as file type handlers in
Akregator (KDE application). So I'm not sure this is even 'just' a
problem for text-mode applications.
I just tried to install 'gedit' to test it, and I can nicely now set
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On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
h...@debian.org wrote:
On Wed, 02 May 2012, Aron Xu wrote:
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl wrote:
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 10:02:37AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Is this the right time to do it?
Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org writes:
* Russ Allbery r...@debian.org [120501 18:18]:
David Bremner brem...@debian.org writes:
Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org writes:
My suggestion to everyone feeling the need to tell anyone on a public
mailing list that they should shut up because
* Russ Allbery r...@debian.org [120502 18:06]:
I don't want technical decisions in this project to
only be discussed by people who enjoy the noise.
That's why it is cruical to get the noise reduced. If in any discussion
there is a DD escalating the flames then there won't be any people with
* Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez clo...@igalia.com [2012-05-01 23:07]:
On 27/04/12 19:33, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] Martin Wuertele
* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [2012-04-27 09:53]:
Le jeudi 26 avril 2012 à 22:29 +0200, Svante Signell a écrit :
Yes of course, because event-driven
+++ Patrick Ouellette [2012-05-01 23:12 -0400]:
Of course the #! line is not the issue. The issue is two upstream maintainers
separated by years and miles selected the same generic name for their binary
file. Compounding the issue, some Debian Maintainer seeking to better the
project by
Russell Coker russ...@coker.com.au wrote:
[...]
When you send 8 bit mail to a host that only supports 7 bit then it will be
corrupted, usually without any notification of what happened - definitely
silent corruption.
[...]
Have you really seen this happening in this century? Are there
Wookey woo...@wookware.org writes:
Just a quick question - is there an easy way to do this? I worry
sometimes that I might be creating a binary name that is already used
somewhere, and thus a potential clash, but it is not obvious to me how
to check. Strictly this applies to every file in a
On Wed, 2 May 2012 17:53:54 +0100
Wookey woo...@wookware.org wrote:
+++ Patrick Ouellette [2012-05-01 23:12 -0400]:
file. Compounding the issue, some Debian Maintainer seeking to better the
project by packaging additional software for the project failed to perform
due diligence in
(slightly off-topic)
Quoting Russell Coker (russ...@coker.com.au):
No, bouncing mail when it can't be properly delivered is much better than
violating RFCs.
Mail that is bounced with a human readable message describing the real cause
of the problem can then be re-sent once the problem is
On 02.05.2012 19:05, Martin Wuertele wrote:
I don't think this is a better example. Actually I think this is an
example where udev/mdev could launch/stop bluetoothd.
Long running daemons should *not* be started by udev. udev is *not* a
service manager.
What udev should do is signal the init
]] Wookey
Just a quick question - is there an easy way to do this?
Given most names don't explain particularly well what the command does,
just use something inspired by pwgen.
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On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 17:53 +0100, Wookey wrote:
+++ Patrick Ouellette [2012-05-01 23:12 -0400]:
Of course the #! line is not the issue. The issue is two upstream
maintainers
separated by years and miles selected the same generic name for their binary
file. Compounding the issue, some
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 05:53:54PM +0100, Wookey wrote:
Just a quick question - is there an easy way to do this? I worry
sometimes that I might be creating a binary name that is already used
somewhere, and thus a potential clash, but it is not obvious to me how
to check. Strictly this applies
Patrick Ouellette poue...@debian.org writes:
I'm more than a bit disappointed that this will be the second time a ham
radio tool in Debian is forced to use a name the wider Linux ham
community does not use. No one seems to be considering the issues or
complications caused to the ham users.
On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 08:22:05PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Maybe we should short-circuit this part of the conversation, since it
doesn't sound like you're horribly interested in agreeing to change the
name of node in the existing package. :)
Actually, despite my vigorous defense of the
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 06:43:04PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
There's also http://packages.debian.org/#search_contents which can
search for files listed within packages.
That's where I check.
Pat
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On Wed, 02 May 2012, Christian PERRIER wrote:
(slightly off-topic)
Quoting Russell Coker (russ...@coker.com.au):
No, bouncing mail when it can't be properly delivered is much better than
violating RFCs.
Mail that is bounced with a human readable message describing the real
cause
On Wednesday, May 02, 2012 04:37:31, Adam Borowski wrote:
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 10:02:37AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Is this the right time to do it?
FWIW, de-selecting standard system tasksel option (at least when using the
netinstall .iso) results in an installation with no MTA.
On 2012-05-02 15:00:36 +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote:
Hello,
On Wed, 2 May 2012 10:06:31 +0100
Jon Dowland j...@debian.org wrote:
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 08:44:12AM +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote:
No it doesn't if 8BITMIME annouces are turned off!
If exim receives an 8 bit mail, even if
Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net wrote:
On 2012-05-02 15:00:36 +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote:
Hello,
On Wed, 2 May 2012 10:06:31 +0100
Jon Dowland j...@debian.org wrote:
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 08:44:12AM +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote:
No it doesn't if 8BITMIME annouces are turned
On 2012-05-02 20:23:41 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net wrote:
On 2012-05-02 15:00:36 +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote:
Hello,
On Wed, 2 May 2012 10:06:31 +0100
Jon Dowland j...@debian.org wrote:
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 08:44:12AM +0200, Andrew Shadura
On 05/03/12 02:16, Michael Biebl wrote:
On 02.05.2012 19:05, Martin Wuertele wrote:
I don't think this is a better example. Actually I think this is an
example where udev/mdev could launch/stop bluetoothd.
Long running daemons should *not* be started by udev. udev is *not* a
service manager.
Hi,
On Sonntag, 29. April 2012, Roger Leigh wrote:
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 07:03:11PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote:
The 500 packages that would have to change their Depends from exim4 |
mta to something else.
The brokenness of having to have a default package hardcoded in
every virtual
Hi,
On Montag, 30. April 2012, Ralf Treinen wrote:
Conflicts: foo (= 0), foo ( 0)
to be exact, since versions smaller than 0 are possible.
*grin*
btw, is the concept of numbers smaller than zero but not negative known/used
anywhere outside of debian/dpkg?
cheers,
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btw, is the concept of numbers smaller than zero but not negative known/used
anywhere outside of debian/dpkg?
Something like that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signed_zero
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On 2012-05-02 15:00:36 +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote:
Hello,
On Wed, 2 May 2012 10:06:31 +0100
Jon Dowland j...@debian.org
On Thu, 3 May 2012, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org wrote:
All MTA bounce messages are just plain unreadable crap for the average
human on Earth, I'm afraid. For some of them, it's even worse than
Vogon poetry.
IME this is true even after you translate it to the local language
Hi all,
I think that we are asking the impossible, to be universal, cover a large
number of fields, and fit all of this in a single name space witout conflicts.
With our current approach, to rename at least one of the program names, we make
Debian systems incompatible with outside documentation
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