On 11/10/12 at 05:50 +, Bart Martens wrote:
| Anyone can mark a package as orphaned after the following steps have been
| completed : Someone submits an intent to orphan (ITO) in the bts with
an
| explanation of why he/she thinks that the package needs a new
maintainer. The
Hi folks.
AFAICS, secure APT and similar things (e.g. dpkg's file hash sums) still
use even MD5.
Wouldn't it make sense to start discussions about moving to the
strongest possible?
Or, like in the case of package files (dsc and friends) make a policy of
verifying all hashes, and fail if any
Hi.
Some days ago Christian reported[0] about #69 with the feeling that
bug report numbers in Debian were declining, which Don’s post[1] later
seemingly confirmed.
I wondered myself whether this is a problem for Debian and if so, what
we can do against it?
First declining bug numbers are
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 2:46 AM, Christoph Anton Mitterer
cales...@scientia.net wrote:
Some days ago Christian reported[0] about #69 with the feeling that
bug report numbers in Debian were declining, which Don’s post[1] later
seemingly confirmed.
I believe the script is incorrect. It does
Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net writes:
On 11/10/12 at 05:50 +, Bart Martens wrote:
| Anyone can mark a package as orphaned after the following steps have
been
| completed : Someone submits an intent to orphan (ITO) in the bts with
an
| explanation of why he/she
Hi,
On 11.10.2012 07:50, Bart Martens wrote:
- the submitter of the intent to orphan bug must Cc
debian...@lists.debian.org, and file the bug with severity:serious (this
was part of the criterias proposal).
| Anyone can mark a package as orphaned after the following steps have been
Le Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 05:50:51AM +, Bart Martens a écrit :
| Anyone can mark a package as orphaned after the following steps have been
| completed : Someone submits an intent to orphan (ITO) in the bts with
an
| explanation of why he/she thinks that the package needs a new
On Thu, 2012-10-11 at 09:15 +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
I believe the script is incorrect. It does not count ubuntu bugs that
gets fixed in debian, without ever being referenced in debian BTS...
Well but it's up to interpretation, whether that wouldn't be a worrying
sign, too. I mean that
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
Well but it's up to interpretation, whether that wouldn't be a worrying
sign, too. I mean that bugs are fixed rather via Ubuntu.
Where bugs are reported doesn't matter, as long as they get fixed.
Personally I look at the bug
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:51:50AM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
On Thu, 2012-10-11 at 09:15 +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
I believe the script is incorrect. It does not count ubuntu bugs that
gets fixed in debian, without ever being referenced in debian BTS...
Well but it's up to
Il giorno gio, 11/10/2012 alle 02.46 +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer ha
scritto:
On the other hand, some worries are there that this could imply some
decline in Debian itself.
Well I still think Debian is the best distro out there for most (if not
all cases), even though I'd like to see it
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Le 11/10/2012 13:40, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:51:50AM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer
wrote:
On Thu, 2012-10-11 at 09:15 +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
I believe the script is incorrect. It does not count ubuntu
On Thu 11 Oct 2012 02:55:24 Marco d'Itri escribió:
On Oct 11, Hideki Yamane henr...@debian.or.jp wrote:
apt-fast is a shellscript wrapper for apt-get that can drastically
improve apt download times by downloading packages in parallel, with
multiple connections per package.
well,
On Thu 11 Oct 2012 09:59:35 Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer escribió:
[snip]
Well, parallel download does **greatly** improves speed when you access
international servers, like we had to do in Argentina until some few weeks
ago.
WRT non i386/amd64 archs.
--
Programming today is a race
On Thursday, October 11, 2012 06:44:53 PM Charles Plessy wrote:
...
- I am not found of the voting procedure, and would rather propose to
follow a similar process as for the modification of the Policy and the
Developers Reference, where at least three DDs need to indicate that, in
their
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Hideki Yamane henr...@debian.org
User: debian-de...@debian.or.jp
Usertags: debianjp
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debian-de...@debian.or.jp
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Upstream Author:
]] Thibaut Paumard
Users who get software through the Debian packages are still 100%
users of said software.
This might be your impression. It does not at all match my impression.
Quite a few upstreams thinks Debian are working contrary to their design
and their goals and are actively
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Le 11/10/2012 17:29, Tollef Fog Heen a écrit :
]] Thibaut Paumard
Users who get software through the Debian packages are still
100% users of said software.
This might be your impression. It does not at all match my
impression.
Quite a
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 09:59:35AM -0300, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
wrote:
Of course, being able to download stuff from two different servers at the
same
time had a better end result, and as long as is one download at a time per
server, I think it can be considered socially
[Christoph Anton Mitterer]
Wouldn't it make sense to start discussions about moving to the
strongest possible?
No. What makes sense is to use a hash that has the properties that are
needed for a particular application.
To use your example of dpkg file checksums, their purpose has _nothing_
On Thu, 2012-10-11 at 11:35 -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
What makes sense is to use a hash that has the properties that are
needed for a particular application.
Well... I think that's only really required if performance is very
critical, e.g. when you're on embedded devices or so,... but the
On 2012-10-11 19:38, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
On Thu, 2012-10-11 at 11:35 -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
What makes sense is to use a hash that has the properties that are
needed for a particular application.
Well... I think that's only really required if performance is very
critical,
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 01:19:58AM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
Hi folks.
AFAICS, secure APT and similar things (e.g. dpkg's file hash sums) still
use even MD5.
dpkg-genchanges and dak both generate md5, sha1 and sha256. So
.deb files themself are hashed by all 3 of them. A as
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 05:29:51PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
This might be your impression. It does not at all match my impression.
Quite a few upstreams thinks Debian are working contrary to their design
and their goals and are actively hindering adoption of their software.
If you're
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 08:18:55PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
There are also the md5sums files that are stored in the .deb file.
I'm not really sure what the real use case for them is and
wouldn't have a problem with them going away.
debsums(1) aka what packages on my system are corrupt by a
]] Steve Langasek
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 05:29:51PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
This might be your impression. It does not at all match my impression.
Quite a few upstreams thinks Debian are working contrary to their
design and their goals and are actively hindering adoption of
Marco Nenciarini mnen...@debian.org writes:
Il giorno gio, 11/10/2012 alle 02.46 +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer ha
scritto:
On the other hand, some worries are there that this could imply some
decline in Debian itself.
Well I still think Debian is the best distro out there for most (if
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 09:45:58PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote:
Marco Nenciarini mnen...@debian.org writes:
Il giorno gio, 11/10/2012 alle 02.46 +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer ha
scritto:
On the other hand, some worries are there that this could imply some
decline in Debian itself.
Am Donnerstag, den 11.10.2012, 16:14 -0400 schrieb Paul Tagliamonte:
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 09:45:58PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote:
Marco Nenciarini mnen...@debian.org writes:
Il giorno gio, 11/10/2012 alle 02.46 +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer ha
scritto:
On the other hand,
Hi,
How popular are bzr-builddeb and dh-make in Debian? The current
situation is that packaging-dev recommends bzr-builddeb and suggests
dh-make. It was requested to drop bzr-builddeb from Recommends and add
dh-make [1]. The recommended packages of packaging-dev should be
recommended by most of
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Hi!
Have you considered making a poll for this? Because everyone will tell
you a different oppinion...
For me, I think: bzr-builddeb is specific to Bzr, if you don't use
Bzr, it is useless. Instead, dh_make can be used to generate Debian
templates quickly, so it might be useful for more people,
A poll is a good idea. Can you recommend a site that allows setting up a
poll?
Am Donnerstag, den 11.10.2012, 23:29 +0200 schrieb Matthias Klumpp:
Hi!
Have you considered making a poll for this? Because everyone will tell
you a different oppinion...
For me, I think: bzr-builddeb is specific
Simon Josefsson si...@josefsson.org writes:
Marco Nenciarini mnen...@debian.org writes:
I've seen recently several company I'm working with getting away from
Debian in favor of Ubuntu because they have a LTS version. However I
don't know if this is a general trend.
I can confirm the trend
Hi Benjamin,
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:38:08PM +0200, Benjamin Drung wrote:
How popular are bzr-builddeb and dh-make in Debian? The current
situation is that packaging-dev recommends bzr-builddeb and suggests
dh-make. It was requested to drop bzr-builddeb from Recommends and add
dh-make [1].
❦ 11 octobre 2012 20:26 CEST, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org :
Quite a few upstreams thinks Debian are working contrary to their design
and their goals and are actively hindering adoption of their software.
If you're interested in examples, just take a look at how rubygems was
handled in
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 02:38:46PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
bzr is the fourth most popular version control system in Debian according to
http://upsilon.cc/~zack/stuff/vcs-usage/. If you're going to demote
bzr-builddeb (which doesn't bother me), I think you should also be demoting
❦ 11 octobre 2012 22:33 CEST, Benjamin Drung bdr...@debian.org :
I can confirm the trend for a couple of organisations. The primary
reason that I identified was the retirement of security support for
Lenny and that Lenny packages are removed from many Debian mirrors which
made it
Am Donnerstag, den 11.10.2012, 14:38 -0700 schrieb Steve Langasek:
Hi Benjamin,
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:38:08PM +0200, Benjamin Drung wrote:
How popular are bzr-builddeb and dh-make in Debian? The current
situation is that packaging-dev recommends bzr-builddeb and suggests
dh-make. It
Am Freitag, den 12.10.2012, 00:00 +0200 schrieb Vincent Bernat:
❦ 11 octobre 2012 22:33 CEST, Benjamin Drung bdr...@debian.org :
I can confirm the trend for a couple of organisations. The primary
reason that I identified was the retirement of security support for
Lenny and that Lenny
For myself, I'd feel a lot more comfortable with DDs seconding than DMs
seconding.
In my mind, when you sign up to be a DM, you're signing up to do a good
job of maintaining one or more packages.
In my mind a part of the additional commitment in agreeing to be a DD is
to think about the broader
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 12:42:57AM +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 08:18:55PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
There are also the md5sums files that are stored in the .deb file.
I'm not really sure what the real use case for them is and
wouldn't have a problem with them
Le Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 08:18:55PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx a écrit :
MD5 is covered by policy, and it's the only mentioned in policy,
maybe that should change.
Hi Kurt and everybody,
For control files, Checksums-Sha1 and Checksums-Sha256 are covered in chapter
5, where they are marked as
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:57:24PM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote:
❦ 11 octobre 2012 20:26 CEST, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org :
Quite a few upstreams thinks Debian are working contrary to their design
and their goals and are actively hindering adoption of their software.
If you're
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:57:55PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 02:38:46PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
bzr is the fourth most popular version control system in Debian according to
http://upsilon.cc/~zack/stuff/vcs-usage/. If you're going to demote
On Thu, 2012-10-11 at 20:18 +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
dpkg-genchanges and dak both generate md5, sha1 and sha256. So
.deb files themself are hashed by all 3 of them. A as far as I
know all tools that verify those files also check all 3 of those
hashes.
Ah? Ok... I somehow had in mind that a)
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested
through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the
last week.
Total number of orphaned packages: 471 (new: 2)
Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 136 (new: 1)
Total number of packages
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Simon Josefsson wrote:
I can confirm the trend for a couple of organisations. The primary
reason that I identified was the retirement of security support for
Lenny and that Lenny packages are removed from many Debian mirrors which
made it difficult to use
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 5:35 AM, Benjamin Drung wrote:
A poll is a good idea. Can you recommend a site that allows setting up a
poll?
The Debian secretary was at one point going to setup devotee for this
sort of thing, don't think that ever happened though.
If you want some FSAAS
Kurt Roeckx wrote:
Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
Kurt Roeckx wrote:
There are also the md5sums files that are stored in the .deb file.
I'm not really sure what the real use case for them is and
wouldn't have a problem with them going away.
debsums(1) aka what packages on my system are
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
I further looked around:
e.g. the Release file seems to only use MD5 not so good :(
Wrong, the Release file has had all 3 since sarge. woody had MD5 SHA-1.
--
bye,
pabs
http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise
--
To
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
Sources files seems to use MD5, SHA1 and SHA256... though MD5 seems to
have a special status (Files vs. Checksums-algo).
That might be just historic, though.
Similarly the Packages files... MD5/SHA1/SHA256...
Only since wheezy
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 02:38:46PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
dh-make isn't so relevant now that debhelper 7 exists. cp
/usr/share/doc/debhelper/examples/rules.tiny debian/rules dch
--create, manually create debian/control and debian/copyright, and that's
about it.
dh-make comes from the
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