Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2013-05-07 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 06 May 2013, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Nah, the webinterface just should end up like the DAM webinterface: You do whatever you need, then click a button - and voila, there is everything ready to copy/paste into a MUA. Send with sig, done. Why? This is just a band-aid and not what I

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-07 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 06 May 2013, Helmut Grohne wrote: On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 04:08:07PM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: 1) IMHO, services/daemons (e.g. apache, ejabberd, etc.) that listen per default on the network (unless loopback only) shouldn't be started per default, after being installed.

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-07 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/07/2013 12:23 PM, Adrian Alves wrote: Why I vote NO for ppa in Debian, Something that everybody loves about debian is you have everything in one repo for stable testing or development, the use of PPA it couse things like happens in ubuntu when u need something important you need to

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-07 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, May 7, 2013 02:55, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: On Mon, 2013-05-06 at 14:59 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: 1) We should try to educate users not to use mod_php. If Best Practices such as this were documented such as on the Debian wiki then it would go a long way to making this easy for

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-07 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes: provided as a hook. You also might want to look at the policyrcd-script-zg2 package. Except for chroots that do not run the boot-time scripts, this mechanism is mostly useless. /etc/init.d/rc doesn't know about policy-rc.d and thus you can't use it

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-07 Thread Brian May
On 7 May 2013 17:03, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote: Now, if I had PPA, then I could follow upstream release cycles. Every 6 months, I would destroy the PPA for OpenStack stable -2, and create a new stable PPA. I could put all the backport software I need in there. No need to worry

Bug#707051: ITP: hakuneko -- Manga Downloader based on GTK

2013-05-07 Thread Ronny Wegener
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Ronny Wegener wegener.ro...@gmail.com * Package name: hakuneko Version : 1.0.3 Upstream Author : Ronny Wegener wegener.ro...@gmail.com * URL : http://hakuneko.googlecode.com * License : MIT Programming Lang: C++

Re: git as a source package format?

2013-05-07 Thread Thomas Koch
On Wednesday, May 01, 2013 09:28:10 PM Daniel Pocock wrote: Would there be any hard objection to a source package format based on git-bundle? Hi Daniel, while I'm a big fan of Git, I don't see that much gain in a git based source package format. I also assume that it would be a lot of work to

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-07 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 13204 March 1977, Adrian Alves wrote: Why I vote NO for ppa in Debian, Unless someone runs a GR, its not a vote. Im happy for changes/improvements, but it will come, so a no isn't the way. Something that everybody loves about debian is you have everything in one repo for stable testing or

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 06-05-13 14:49, Andreas Beckmann wrote: Hi, now might be the right time to start a discussion about release goals for jessie. Here are some points that come into my mind right now (and some were already discussed very recently): * multiarch compatible binNMUs * discarding maintainer

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-07 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Brian May On 7 May 2013 17:03, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote: Now, if I had PPA, then I could follow upstream release cycles. Every 6 months, I would destroy the PPA for OpenStack stable -2, and create a new stable PPA. I could put all the backport software I need in there.

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-07 Thread Guillem Jover
On Tue, 2013-05-07 at 10:06:34 +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=584865 discusses a prototype that I internally use. It hooks to policy-rc.d to prevent services from starting during package installation and to dpkg post-invoke to detect new

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-07 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Andreas Beckmann a...@debian.org wrote: Hi, now might be the right time to start a discussion about release goals for jessie. Here are some points that come into my mind right now (and some were already discussed very recently): * multiarch compatible binNMUs

Re: Bug#706780: ITP: libtest-tabledriven-perl -- write tests, not scripts that run them

2013-05-07 Thread Brett Parker
On 04 May 21:08, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk * Package name: libtest-tabledriven-perl Version : 0.02 Upstream Author : Jonathan Rockway jrockway AT cpan.org * URL :

Bug#707093: ITP: libhtmlcleaner-java -- Java HTML Parser library

2013-05-07 Thread Alexandre Rossi
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Alexandre Rossi alexandre.ro...@gmail.com * Package name: libhtmlcleaner-java Version : 2.2 Upstream Author : Vladimir Nikic vni...@users.sourceforge.net * URL : http://htmlcleaner.sourceforge.net/ * License : BSD

Removal of install-info from dpkg

2013-05-07 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! To finish up the install-info split from dpkg[0], I'd like to finally remove the temporary wrapper from dpkg. This means the remaining tail of packages still calling it directly from maintainer scripts need to be dealt with [1]. Most might just need a rebuild if using debhelper and not

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-07 Thread Hideki Yamane
Hi, On Mon, 06 May 2013 14:49:57 +0200 Andreas Beckmann a...@debian.org wrote: now might be the right time to start a discussion about release goals for jessie. * xz for default package compression (as I said in last summer :) * handling release goal/target/task via BTS to clear what is

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-07 Thread Stephen Kitt
Hi Wookey, On Tue, 7 May 2013 03:04:50 +0100, Wookey woo...@wookware.org wrote: (just a decision to leave arch-independent headers in /usr/include and move arch-dependent headers to /usr/include/triplet). Doesn't this limit us to cross-compiling only across Debian architectures? If we go for a

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-07 Thread Stephen Kitt
Hi, On Mon, 06 May 2013 14:49:57 +0200, Andreas Beckmann a...@debian.org wrote: now might be the right time to start a discussion about release goals for jessie. Here are some points that come into my mind right now (and some were already discussed very recently):

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-07 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/07/2013 03:11 PM, Brian May wrote: On 7 May 2013 17:03, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org mailto:z...@debian.org wrote: Now, if I had PPA, then I could follow upstream release cycles. Every 6 months, I would destroy the PPA for OpenStack stable -2, and create a new stable

/bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Andreas Beckmann anbe at debian.org writes: now might be the right time to start a discussion about release goals for jessie. Here are some points that come into my mind right now (and * Resolve that /bin/sh issue (see the open RC bugs against dash which just got ignored for a stable release

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-07 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Paul Wise pabs at debian.org writes: I think you may have misunderstood the Debian PPA proposal. It will not be like the Ubuntu PPA system where anyone can upload a package to Call it DPA then? Debianprojectmember Personal Archive bye, //mirabilos -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-07 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: Debian backports offers me *one* repository. I need 3 of them: I don't see why. The combination of suites we have now should be enough. Here is what I would do... - stable -1 (currently OpenStack Folsom) Ignore, is there any reason why

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-07 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 07.05.2013 10:10, schrieb Wouter Verhelst: I would like to see the elimination of ENABLE-style variables in /etc/default snippets, to enable or disable initscripts, as a jessie release goal. These things are ugly, annoying hacks that try to work around the fact that we can't ship

Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 07, Thorsten Glaser t...@debian.org wrote: My stated goal here is, indeed, to be able to run at least some useful configurations of a Debian installation without *both* bash and dash installed. What is the point? -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Removal of the /selinux directory

2013-05-07 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Hello, I'm planning to upload a new version of libselinux in unstable soon. This new version is dropping the /selinux directory that was used in the past as the selinuxfs mountpoint. Since Wheezy, the library is mounting selinuxfs under /sys/fs/selinux, and falling back to /selinux if the former

Re: Removal of the /selinux directory

2013-05-07 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi Laurent, Am 07.05.2013 16:51, schrieb Laurent Bigonville: I'm intentionally not forcing the migration to the new mountpoint nor forcing the deletion of the directory on upgrade as, in my mind, if a Wheezy machine is still using the old mountpoint that might be for perfectly valid reasons

New version of libselinux makes libpcre3 pseudo-essential

2013-05-07 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Hello, As Guillem asked me in a bug report (#695620), I'm bringing this to debian-devel. The latest version of libselinux is now using libpcre3 instead of the regex functions from the glibc. This is improving the performances quite substantially when relabeling the filesystem. The version of

Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Игорь Пашев
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Re: Removal of the /selinux directory

2013-05-07 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 07, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote: I think I mentioned that before: imho it would be nice to clean up /selinux on upgrades automatically *if* /selinux is not in use, ie. no selinuxfs mounted there. Agreed. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 07:31:36PM +0400, Игорь Пашев wrote: What about merging / and /usr ? No please. We are good about making sure they each mean something important, and there's no good reason. We also support setups that might need this split due to low storage, such as arm devices. Let's

Re: Current and upcoming toolchain changes for jessie

2013-05-07 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 03:25:29PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: The decision when to make GCC 4.8 the default for other architectures is left to the Debian port maintainers. This makes using C++11 and other features only in 4.8 rather difficult. Explicit build-deps on specific compilers are not

Re: Re: Will we see MariaDB in Jessie?

2013-05-07 Thread Laurent Bigonville
On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 07:39:50PM +0200, Patrick Matthäi wrote: As long as _MySQL_ maintainers are able (and want) to continue MySQL (or It's my understanding a lot of them jumped ship. Meh. +1 to kill MySQL for MariaDB. It's got a much better future. I see it more like a libc

Re: Bug#705168: Any multi VGA controller systems failing to boot?

2013-05-07 Thread Barry Fishman
On 2013-04-22 19:40:01 EDT, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Mon, 2013-04-22 at 18:21 -0400, Barry Fishman wrote: Is anyone else seeing a boot hangup on wheezy with the linux/3.2.41-2 kernel on systems with multiple display controllers? I filed the bug report on April 5, and it got filed with normal

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 07, Игорь Пашев pashev.i...@gmail.com wrote: What about merging / and /usr ? An ambitious plan. I strongly support the everything in /usr scheme, but let's first consolidate support for standalone /usr must be mounted by the initramfs. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description:

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 07, Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org wrote: No please. We are good about making sure they each mean something important, and there's no good reason. Not really nowadays: more and more things needed at boot time are in /usr and there are no plans to fix them. We also support setups

Re: Removal of the /selinux directory

2013-05-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 04:57:51PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 07.05.2013 16:51, schrieb Laurent Bigonville: I'm intentionally not forcing the migration to the new mountpoint nor forcing the deletion of the directory on upgrade as, in my mind, if a Wheezy machine is still using the old

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 05:36:41PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On May 07, Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org wrote: No please. We are good about making sure they each mean something important, and there's no good reason. Not really nowadays: more and more things needed at boot time are in

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Игорь Пашев
2013/5/7 Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org: Not when you have a 500 meg internal storage that the firmware boots off of, and using a multi-gig CF card to store the mega-awesome-app you're using it for. Similar to Live CDs where /usr used to be compressed on a CD?

Re: Current and upcoming toolchain changes for jessie

2013-05-07 Thread Julian Taylor
On 05/07/2013 03:25 PM, Matthias Klose wrote: ... == binutils == binutils 2.23.2 will be uploaded to unstable after GCC 4.8 as the default on x86 reaches testing. Later updates will introduce binutils trunk leading to 2.24, later this year. fyi, this change will introduce a couple new

Re: Current and upcoming toolchain changes for jessie

2013-05-07 Thread Aurelien Jarno
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 03:25:29PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: Up to today jessie did see updates for the kernel headers, eglibc, and GCC. What a wonderful coordination with the release team. Quoting the last mail from them on the mailing list: | As for Squeeze, we'd ask that you co-ordinate

Re: New version of libselinux makes libpcre3 pseudo-essential

2013-05-07 Thread Игорь Пашев
2013/5/7 Laurent Bigonville bi...@debian.org: Hello, As Guillem asked me in a bug report (#695620), I'm bringing this to debian-devel. The latest version of libselinux is now using libpcre3 instead of the regex functions from the glibc. This is improving the performances quite

Processed: reassign 706987 to gnome-shell, forcibly merging 675345 706987

2013-05-07 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: reassign 706987 gnome-shell Bug #706987 [general] general: Gnome freezes after some minutes of starting session Bug reassigned from package 'general' to 'gnome-shell'. Ignoring request to alter found versions of bug #706987 to the same values

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-07 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/07/2013 04:11 AM, Vincent Lefevre wrote: This doesn't make any sense. What is installed is a package, not a service. There are packages, like rsync, that provide more than a service, e.g. a client and a daemon. What if the user wants the client but not the corresponding service (at any

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-07 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/07/2013 04:00 AM, Vincent Lefevre wrote: This can be fine for some daemons/servers. For instance, for a web server, displaying a default web page is harmless. But what about a mail server? Any default config would probably lead to loss of mail if things like virtual alias domains are

Re: Removal of the /selinux directory

2013-05-07 Thread Laurent Bigonville
On May 07, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote: Hi Laurent, Hi Michael, Am 07.05.2013 16:51, schrieb Laurent Bigonville: I'm intentionally not forcing the migration to the new mountpoint nor forcing the deletion of the directory on upgrade as, in my mind, if a Wheezy machine is still

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 05:35:11PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On May 07, Игорь Пашев pashev.i...@gmail.com wrote: What about merging / and /usr ? An ambitious plan. I strongly support the everything in /usr scheme, but let's first consolidate support for standalone /usr must be mounted by

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 07, Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org wrote: everything in /usr actually means that supporting these devices is much easier. Not when you have a 500 meg internal storage that the firmware boots off of, and using a multi-gig CF card to store the mega-awesome-app you're using it

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi Paul, This has been discussed many times on -devel, including before you became a DD. Many people, including Roger and Marco, have spent a *lot* of time thinking about this and working on proofs of concepts, etc. already. Please take some time to read up on the previous threads before

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 04:56:04PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: That said, I'm not in support of moving things to /usr; it's completely backward. … If we do this, I'd prefer to make /usr a symlink to / on new installs I've always thought that myself, but it seems most folks who are pro merge tend

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Simon Chopin
Quoting Jonathan Dowland (2013-05-07 18:15:46) This has been discussed many times on -devel, including before you became a DD. Please don't assume that only DDs read debian-devel. I would think that most aspiring DDs were following it long before even applying in NM. signature.asc

Re: Current and upcoming toolchain changes for jessie

2013-05-07 Thread Aurelien Jarno
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 10:03:58AM -0600, Adam Conrad wrote: On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 05:48:52PM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote: Even if I have to admit I currently don't have a lot of time, it would have been nice to keep the other people in the team in the loop about such an upload.

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 02:38:07PM +0200, Stephen Kitt wrote: Hi Wookey, On Tue, 7 May 2013 03:04:50 +0100, Wookey woo...@wookware.org wrote: (just a decision to leave arch-independent headers in /usr/include and move arch-dependent headers to /usr/include/triplet). Doesn't this limit us

Re: Current and upcoming toolchain changes for jessie

2013-05-07 Thread Adam Conrad
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 05:48:52PM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote: Even if I have to admit I currently don't have a lot of time, it would have been nice to keep the other people in the team in the loop about such an upload. You'd been fairly inactive of late, and I felt I'd take some initiative

Re: Re: Will we see MariaDB in Jessie?

2013-05-07 Thread Clint Byrum
On 2013-05-07 08:34, Laurent Bigonville wrote: On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 07:39:50PM +0200, Patrick Matthäi wrote: As long as _MySQL_ maintainers are able (and want) to continue MySQL (or It's my understanding a lot of them jumped ship. Meh. +1 to kill MySQL for MariaDB. It's got a much better

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 11:34:20AM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 07:31:36PM +0400, Игорь Пашев wrote: What about merging / and /usr ? No please. We are good about making sure they each mean something important, No, we're actually terrible at it. And upstream is

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-07 Thread Simon McVittie
On 07/05/13 15:34, Paul Wise wrote: On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: Debian backports offers me *one* repository. I need 3 of them: - stable -1 (currently OpenStack Folsom) Ignore, is there any reason why an old version is interesting? Because Debian testing has it

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Simon McVittie
On 07/05/13 17:17, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 04:56:04PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: If we do this, I'd prefer to make /usr a symlink to / on new installs I've always thought that myself, but it seems most folks who are pro merge tend to propose going the other way. After

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 07, Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org wrote: If we do this, I'd prefer to make /usr a symlink to / on new installs I've always thought that myself, but it seems most folks who are pro merge tend to propose going the other way. I've never understood why. I was trying to not start a new

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On 7 May 2013, at 17:26, Simon Chopin chopin.si...@gmail.com wrote: Please don't assume that only DDs read debian-devel. Don't worry, I haven't: I just don't know of a more accurate heuristic for determining when somebody started to get involved. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Current and upcoming toolchain changes for jessie

2013-05-07 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 07, Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net wrote: blocked in sid until eglibc is fixed on kfreebsd. I see a simple solution to two problems here... :-) -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Bug#705168: Any multi VGA controller systems failing to boot?

2013-05-07 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 11:14:23AM -0400, Barry Fishman wrote: On 2013-04-22 19:40:01 EDT, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Mon, 2013-04-22 at 18:21 -0400, Barry Fishman wrote: Is anyone else seeing a boot hangup on wheezy with the linux/3.2.41-2 kernel on systems with multiple display

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 05:57:19PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: Please don't assume that only DDs read debian-devel. Don't worry, I haven't: I just don't know of a more accurate heuristic for determining when somebody started to get involved. I don't see why, in this context, that's a

Re: Removal of the /selinux directory

2013-05-07 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 07.05.2013 17:55, schrieb Laurent Bigonville: The directory should already be automatically removed by dpkg during the upgrade as it was shipped by the package and not created by the postinstall script. I'm not sure this was clear enough. This was indeed not clear to me, so thanks for the

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/08/2013 12:40 AM, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 11:34:20AM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 07:31:36PM +0400, Игорь Пашев wrote: What about merging / and /usr ? No please. We are good about making sure they each mean something important, No, we're

Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, 7 May 2013 16:46:46 +0200, m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote: On May 07, Thorsten Glaser t...@debian.org wrote: My stated goal here is, indeed, to be able to run at least some useful configurations of a Debian installation without *both* bash and dash installed. What is the point? A

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, 7 May 2013 19:31:36 +0400, ? ? pashev.i...@gmail.com wrote: What about merging / and /usr ? So we really want to explicitly not offer an upgade path from wheezy to jessie? Greetings Marc -- -- !! No courtesy copies, please !! - Marc Haber

Bug#707132: ITP: node-resolve -- Synchronous/Asynchronous require.resolve() algorithm

2013-05-07 Thread Mike Gabriel
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Mike Gabriel mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de * Package name: node-resolve Version : 0.3.1 Upstream Author : James Halliday m...@substack.net * URL : https://github.com/substack/node-resolve * License : MIT Programming

Bug#707134: ITP: node-yajsml -- Yet another (Common)JS module loader

2013-05-07 Thread Mike Gabriel
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Mike Gabriel mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de * Package name: node-yajsml Version : 1.1.5 Upstream Author : Chad Weider cwei...@oofn.net * URL : https://github.com/cweider/yajsml * License : MIT Programming Lang:

/export (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Игорь Пашев
Currently /var/lib contains data for system utilities (dpkg, apt, aptitute) and for user application like databases. What about moving default location for applications to /export ? Think about modern fs like btrfs and zfs: One may want to create a snapshot of the entire system, user data

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 07:21:26PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I don't see why, in this context, that's a useful heuristic to have. If you want to debunk someone's argument, I'm not sure I'd characterize what I tried to get across as debunking someone's argument. More so, questioning

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 06:57:12PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 07:21:26PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I don't see why, in this context, that's a useful heuristic to have. If you want to debunk someone's argument, I'm not sure I'd characterize what I tried to

Bug#707135: ITP: moocng -- open source MOOC platform

2013-05-07 Thread David Martínez Moreno
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: David Martínez Moreno en...@debian.org * Package name: moocng Version : 1.0 Upstream Author : Rooter Analysis S.L. i...@openmooc.org * URL : http://www.openmooc.org/ * License : Apache Programming Lang: Python, JS

Switching packages to non-awaiting triggers

2013-05-07 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! To be able to fix dpkg bug #671711, we should first reduce or completely eliminate the possibilty for triggered packages needing its configured dependencies, not ending up being in triggers-awaited status awaiting on them. For packages installing triggers for things that are not necessary

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 01:43:03AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 05/08/2013 12:40 AM, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 11:34:20AM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 07:31:36PM +0400, Игорь Пашев wrote: What about merging / and /usr ? No please. We are

Re: Switching packages to non-awaiting triggers

2013-05-07 Thread Игорь Пашев
Hi, I think I know one more issue related to this, correct me if it is not. This might be a problem for systemd, but I will talk about SMF [1] and concrete example - dbus. 1. dbus package includes SMF manifest 2. for dbus service to appear, its manifest should be imported 3. importing manifests

override: xz-utils:utils/standard

2013-05-07 Thread Guillem Jover
Package: ftp.debian.org Severity: wishlist On Fri, 2012-08-17 at 19:23:37 -0700, Jonathan Nieder wrote: (please direct replies to debian-devel only) Ever since dpkg started using liblzma directly (dpkg 1.16.4), the xz command is no longer needed in a minimal Debian system. Based on its

Re: Bug#705168: Any multi VGA controller systems failing to boot?

2013-05-07 Thread Barry Fishman
On 2013-05-07 13:20:02 EDT, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 11:14:23AM -0400, Barry Fishman wrote: 1) This bug is a month old and due to a Debian patch which was rejected by the upstream kernel team. Perhaps you should tell us which that is, then. You told me. The fbcon

Re: Switching packages to non-awaiting triggers

2013-05-07 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 2013-05-07 21:09, schrieb Игорь Пашев: This might be a problem for systemd, but I will talk about SMF [1] and concrete example - dbus. 1. dbus package includes SMF manifest 2. for dbus service to appear, its manifest should be imported 3. importing manifests if done via triggers (AFAIK like

Re: Switching packages to non-awaiting triggers

2013-05-07 Thread Игорь Пашев
2013/5/7 Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org: We don't use dpkg triggers to start (systemd) services. Hm? http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-systemd/systemd.git;a=blob;f=debian/systemd.triggers;h=f6c3c0ce0da08815f366868d3b3a3f9e5907875f;hb=refs/heads/debian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Switching packages to non-awaiting triggers

2013-05-07 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 2013-05-07 21:40, schrieb Игорь Пашев: 2013/5/7 Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org: We don't use dpkg triggers to start (systemd) services. Hm?

Switching default dpkg-deb compressor to xz

2013-05-07 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! As mentioned some months ago [0], I'm planning to switch dpkg-deb default compressor from gzip to xz, as there seemed to be consensus that was the way to go, and given the amount of already manually switched packages, or packaging helpers. :/ [0]

Re: Switching packages to non-awaiting triggers

2013-05-07 Thread Игорь Пашев
2013/5/7 Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org: If you actually looked at the package, you would have noticed that it has nothing to do with starting services. Maybe, systemctl enable does not start the service? Main question is: can triggers be activated before package is configured (namely

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-07 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
On Lunes, 6 de mayo de 2013 13:49:57 Andreas Beckmann wrote: Hi, now might be the right time to start a discussion about release goals for jessie. Here are some points that come into my mind right now (and some were already discussed very recently): * multiarch compatible binNMUs *

Bug#707166: ITP: node-socket.io -- Makes WebSockets and realtime possible in all browsers

2013-05-07 Thread Mike Gabriel
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Mike Gabriel mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de * Package name: node-socket.io Version : 0.9.14 Upstream Author : Guillermo Rauch guille...@learnboost.com * URL : https://github.com/learnboost/socket.io * License : MIT

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-07 Thread Wookey
+++ Stephen Kitt [2013-05-07 14:38 +0200]: Hi Wookey, On Tue, 7 May 2013 03:04:50 +0100, Wookey woo...@wookware.org wrote: (just a decision to leave arch-independent headers in /usr/include and move arch-dependent headers to /usr/include/triplet). Doesn't this limit us to

Bug#707171: ITP: node-base64id -- Node.js module that generates a base64 id

2013-05-07 Thread Mike Gabriel
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Mike Gabriel mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de * Package name: node-base64id Version : 0.1.0 Upstream Author : Kristian Faeldt faeldt_krist...@cyberagent.co.jp * URL : https://github.com/faeldt/base64id * License : MIT

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
On Martes, 7 de mayo de 2013 17:26:09 Simon Chopin wrote: Quoting Jonathan Dowland (2013-05-07 18:15:46) This has been discussed many times on -devel, including before you became a DD. Please don't assume that only DDs read debian-devel. I would think that most aspiring DDs were

epoch fix?

2013-05-07 Thread Matt Zagrabelny
Hello world, I've grepped the d-d list, but didn't find any threads regarding fixing epochs in package versions. First, is there a consensus or quorum that believes that unnecessary epochs is undesirable? If so, could we add a field to debian/control such as Supersede-Epoch. If set to 'yes',

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-07 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
On Martes, 7 de mayo de 2013 22:55:39 Matt Zagrabelny wrote: Hello world, I've grepped the d-d list, but didn't find any threads regarding fixing epochs in package versions. First, is there a consensus or quorum that believes that unnecessary epochs is undesirable? If so, could we add

Bug#707174: ITP: node-policyfile -- Flash Socket Policy File Server for Node.js

2013-05-07 Thread Mike Gabriel
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Mike Gabriel mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de * Package name: node-policyfile Version : 0.0.5 Upstream Author : Arnout Kazemier, 3rd-Eden.com * URL : https://github.com/3rd-Eden/FlashPolicyFileServer * License : MIT

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-07 Thread Matt Zagrabelny
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org wrote: On Martes, 7 de mayo de 2013 22:55:39 Matt Zagrabelny wrote: If so, could we add a field to debian/control such as Supersede-Epoch. If set to 'yes', then dpkg considers this package to have an epoch of infinity

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-07 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Matt Zagrabelny mzagrabe at d.umn.edu writes: First, is there a consensus or quorum that believes that unnecessary epochs is undesirable? No. bye, //mirabilos -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-07 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Matt Zagrabelny mzagrabe at d.umn.edu writes: Use the mechanism of really: That is *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* more ugly than epochs and actually a prime example of why we *want* them. bye, //mirabilos -- To

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-07 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Matt Zagrabelny] I've grepped the d-d list, but didn't find any threads regarding fixing epochs in package versions. This does come up occasionally. If so, could we add a field to debian/control such as Supersede-Epoch. If set to 'yes', then dpkg considers this package to have an epoch of

Re: /export (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Игорь Пашев pashev.igor at gmail.com writes: What about moving default location for applications to /export ? *NO*! /sys was already bad. /run is a catastrophe, although an understandable one. I always rm -rf /media after a fresh install, where T F did that come from. As a BSD person, seeing

Re: /export (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Igor Pashev] Currently /var/lib contains data for system utilities (dpkg, apt, aptitute) and for user application like databases. What about moving default location for applications to /export ? Wrong list, please bring this up instead on fhs-discuss. (If that still exists - it looks a

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-07 Thread Matt Zagrabelny
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Thorsten Glaser t...@debian.org wrote: Matt Zagrabelny mzagrabe at d.umn.edu writes: Use the mechanism of really: That is *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* *much* more ugly than epochs and

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-07 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Wookey wookey at wookware.org writes: And you can still use a sysroot and non-multiarch ways of filling it if you prefer. I haven't really experimented with mulitarch and sysroot at the same time but SFAIK it should work. I can confirm Multi-Arch doesn’t break traditional cross compilers as

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-07 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Matt Zagrabelny mzagrabe at d.umn.edu writes: epochs never go away - AIUI. They detract from meaningful information in the version string. So do changelogs. But it’s not that hard to mentally strip away a leading [0-9]+: in a version string. Especially when we have monstrosities like

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