Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-09 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/08/2013 06:30 PM, Peter Samuelson wrote:
 # in unstable
 Package: bar
 Build-Depends: libfoo-dev (= 1.5)

 The 'bar' maintainer intended to require the unstable version of
 libfoo-dev, but in fact the dependency is satisfied from stable as
 well.
Yeah! And this mistake is very easy to make.

I did a similar woopsie recently myself with Breaks / Replaces,
(which was quickly solved) even though I quite know what
I was doing, simply because I forgot about the epoch. Of course,
that made the Breaks / Replaces completely useless.

Though, is there a way to fix human brains? I don't think so...
Would having the epoch written in the generated file names
solve the problem? I don't think so either...

Thomas


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Re: wheezy postmortem re rc bugfixing

2013-05-09 Thread Niels Thykier
On 2013-05-09 00:48, anarcat wrote:
 [...]
 In fact, I am of the opinion that we should relax the requirements that
 the release team systematically review every diff posted during the
 freeze, especially if the freeze is going to last almost a year... That
 always seemed to me to be an insane amount of work.
 
 [...]
 
 A.
 

FTR, I believe we (i.e. the RT) never wanted or aimed for a freeze
taking a year.

I can see how your idea might seem attractive for maintainers, you can
get that fix in you just missed or upstream has a fix and don't have to
cherry-pick from a lot of other changes.
  That said, for the former, the freeze date was announced a year ahead
of time.  Yet, there were quite a few maintainers that seemed to be
caught by surprised by the freeze.  If you add that slush period, I
fear maintainers would just be even more relaxed (because I can
always fix it during the slush).
  To be honest, I am not convinced that people are vigilant enough to
avoid doing ABI breakages, so a slush upload might end up starting a
transition[1].

What I would like to see is a way to reduce the need for changes post
freeze.  It was my understanding that time-based freeze was intended
to do that - by letting you know ahead of time so you could have your
things ready (before last minute).
  The execution of the time-based freeze might have failed.  Also,
testing did not serving its purpose of always being in (a
near-)releasable state[2] with its 500+ RC bugs at the start of the
freeze was not ideal (either?).

~Niels

[1] During the Wheezy development cycle we did have quite a few
uncoordinated library transitions.  Combine that with some people's
acceptance of huge diffs post-freeze...

[2] At least it is my understanding that this is why we (i.e. the RT)
wants testing around.  Admittedly a lot of people seem to expect it to
be a rolling distribution instead.


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Re: DPA instead of PPA

2013-05-09 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi,

On Wed, 08 May 2013, Holger Levsen wrote:
 I actually really like this idea! (Though I suggest Debian Personal 
 Archive.)
 
 It's really different from what people know as PPAs.

To be fair, Personal is probably not relevant either. I expect many of
those repositories to be maintained by teams.

DSPA = Debian Special Purpose Archive
DSPR = Debian Special Purpose Repository
DASP = Debian Archive of Special Packages
SPA = Special Package Archive

bikeshed \o/

In the end, I don't care of the name as long as we have the feature. :-)

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Re: Depends: libfoo:foreign ???

2013-05-09 Thread Niels Thykier
On 2013-05-09 07:56, Paul Wise wrote:
 On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
 
 I just noticed that we have the first amd64 package in the archive that
 has dependencies on :i386 qualified libraries:

 Package: teamspeak-client
 
 It appears that will block it from reaching testing:
 

Indeed, Britney does not support those annotations (at the moment?).  To
avoid issues with this kind of thing, we made her consider such
dependencies for unsatisfiable[1].
  So for now anything using that form in Depends or Pre-Depends will not
reach testing (without manual intervention from the Release team and I
am not sure how likely we are to do that).

 http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/teamspeak-client.html
 
 The proper thing to do would be to remove the amd64 package entirely
 and have users install the i386 version.
 

Indeed, I believe that should work.

~Niels

[1] Though she ignores them in Recommends/Suggests and possibly also in
Breaks/Conflicts.



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Re: idea: generalized soft dependencies

2013-05-09 Thread Johannes Schauer
Hi,

Without discussing whether adding generalized soft dependencies would be a
good idea or not, let me give you my two cents about the syntax.

Quoting Eugene V. Lyubimkin (2013-05-08 20:51:54)
 Soft-Depends: a {90%}, b (= 1.2) {20%}, c (= 4) {99%}, c (= 6) {70%}
 Soft-Depends: iceweasel {50%,tag:desktop}, curl {95%,if_not_installed:wget}
 Soft-Depends: debdelta {10%,text:to enable automatic delta downloading}

We (myself+wookey) recently proposed a new syntax to tag build dependencies
with build profiles for bootstrapping [1] but it was deemed not to be a good
idea to introduce a new meta character. Instead, it seems that your proposal
can easily be implemented using the unified qualifier proposal that was made by
Ian Jackson in the same thread [2] which does not spend an additional meta
character but extends the architecture qualification syntax:

Soft-Depends: a [minthresh:90], b (= 1.2) [minthresh:20], c (= 4) 
[minthresh:99], c (= 6) [minthresh:70]
Soft-Depends: iceweasel [minthresh:50 tag:desktop], curl [minthresh:95 
!installed:wget]

I also started a thread to discuss Ian Jackson's proposal on d-dpkg@l.d.o [3]
where Raphael Hertzog gave a use case [4] for this syntax similar to the one
which you address here.

cheers, josch

[1] http://lists.debian.org/20130115181840.GA16417@hoothoot
[2] http://lists.debian.org/20726.45081.38709.233...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
[3] http://lists.debian.org/20130419194252.17205.76995@hoothoot
[4] http://lists.debian.org/20130421194955.gb2...@x230-buxy.home.ouaza.com


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Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-09 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/07/2013 10:34 PM, Paul Wise wrote:
 On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:

 Debian backports offers me *one* repository. I need 3 of them:
 I don't see why. The combination of suites we have now should be
 enough. Here is what I would do...

 - stable -1 (currently OpenStack Folsom)
 Ignore, is there any reason why an old version is interesting?
It's currently not possible to upgrade from Essex (which is
in Wheezy) to Grizzly (which is currently in Experimental).
You need to upgrade through Folsom first. At least, that
is the current upstream status, I'll have to find a solution.

 - stable (currently OpenStack Grizzly)
 sid+jessie+wheezy-backports+squeeze-backports-sloppy

Well, I'd like to run a backport for Wheezy only, I don't
want to have it in sid+jessie. Currently, I can't do that.

 Also, the rules in backports is that packages should be already migrated
 to testing. The point is, if I had PPAs, I wouldn't at all upload to SID
 and wait
 for a migration to testing, because it would be better if the packages were
 living in the PPA only (that would be a lot more flexible and adapted to my
 use case).
 I think that would be a bit sad and I hope you don't do that.
I agree. I tried to explain that to upstream, but no luck so far...
There's not much I can do, especially with a project of that size.

Distributions like Ubuntu and Debian have the same pb though.
Probably RedHat too.

Thomas


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Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-09 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 02:49:57PM +0200, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
 Hi,
 
 now might be the right time to start a discussion about release goals
 for jessie. Here are some points that come into my mind right now (and
 some were already discussed very recently):
 
 * multiarch compatible binNMUs
 * discarding maintainer uploaded binary packages [!arch:all]
 * discarding maintainer uploaded binary packages [incl. arch:all]
 * extending binNMUs to allow rebuilding arch:all packages (so it's no
 longer a binary only but a sourceful no-change rebuild - the classic
 binNMU should stay of course)

* source build dependencies (such that e.g binutils-mingw-w64 build
  depends on src:binutils instead of binutils-source)

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Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-09 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 9 May 2013 03:31:30 +0200, m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote:
This is not relevant for what we are talking about because /usr *will* 
be required be available to boot the system no matter where the files 
currently in /{bin,sbin,lib} will end up.

Yes. That is really bad news and I hate the idea to be forced to do
things just because a few developers are too lazy to care about
robustness. But I also acknowledge that Debian does not have the
personpower to fix upstream's deliberate breakage.

If your goal is to have the smallest and least accessed file system 
available for recovery then I recommend that you create a 200-250 MB 
/boot and install grml-rescueboot.

That's how I do it for new installs. However, this is vastly more
complex than the traditional setup, and it doesn't help for systems in
maintenance mode that, for example, cannot be changed because of
service level agreements and certifications.

Using Debian happens beyond single-user home desktop settings, you
know.

Greetings
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Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-09 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 9 May 2013 03:43:44 +0200, m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote:
Let's assume that at this point there are no files in /{bin,sbin,lib} 
which have the same name of a file in /usr/{bin,sbin,lib} but are not 
a symlink to them (which I suspect is something that we want anyway).

For each $file in /{bin,sbin,lib}:
  if $file is a symlink to /usr/.../$file
do nothing
  else
cp -a $file to /usr/...
ln -sf ../usr/.../$file $file

That's a hack which is acceptable for single-user home desktops. We're
talking about professional IT here.

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Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-09 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 09, Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de wrote:

 That's a hack which is acceptable for single-user home desktops. We're
 talking about professional IT here.
Great, if this is the strongest objection you have then looks like it 
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Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-09 Thread Stephen Kitt
On Thu, 9 May 2013 10:10:01 +0200, Mike Hommey m...@glandium.org wrote:
 On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 02:49:57PM +0200, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
  Hi,
  
  now might be the right time to start a discussion about release goals
  for jessie. Here are some points that come into my mind right now (and
  some were already discussed very recently):
  
  * multiarch compatible binNMUs
  * discarding maintainer uploaded binary packages [!arch:all]
  * discarding maintainer uploaded binary packages [incl. arch:all]
  * extending binNMUs to allow rebuilding arch:all packages (so it's no
  longer a binary only but a sourceful no-change rebuild - the classic
  binNMU should stay of course)
 
 * source build dependencies (such that e.g binutils-mingw-w64 build
   depends on src:binutils instead of binutils-source)

Yes! That was on my list as well ;-). The Built-Using stanza could even be
filled in automatically in such cases...

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Re: wheezy postmortem re rc bugfixing

2013-05-09 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 04:51:14PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
 It is good to have it released now, but I think we are all (mostly?)
 agreed that wheezy took longer to release than we would have liked.
 In particular, the RC bug count didn't drop quickly enough.

Thanks for bringing this up!

I would like to take this opportunity to post an experience report and
give some conclusions I'd make from that.

During the wheezy cycle I participated in the 2011 Hildesheim BSP. In my
experience BSPs are among the best places to get difficult issues sorted
out. Political issues tend to play less of a role there and it
participants tend to motivate each other not to give up on technical
challenges. I would like to thank all the BSP organizers for their
valuable contributions to the project.

During said BSP I settled on fixing #88010 (yes five digits, policy
violation, {lenny,squeeze}-ignore). It clearly meets the criterion of
hard and fixing it took more than a year. Here are a few observations
on the process:

 * The largest amount of time used for fixing went into communication.
   Sometimes I would wait for multiple months to receive an essential
   answer from involved parties. This had a multitude of reasons and I
   would like to avoid a blame game here, but this ultimately resulted
   in missing the freeze and later resulted in last-minute changes.

 * There were a great many people who helped me with technical aspects,
   that were sufficiently isolated and did not require a broad view on
   the issue. This applies especially to the changes in packaging, the
   involved perl code, the usage of dpkg triggers and the transition
   tool set.

 * Even though I had a variety of people review the changes introduced,
   the first attempts resulted in a variety of new failure modes.
   
   Remark: The PPA thingy might be part of the solution here. As it
   would make testing transitions easier.

  * Try to think of workflows which might overcome these problems

Given the experience above and the experience with other RC bugs, I
would like to suggest to form semi-spontaneous teams around some RC
bugs. The rationale here being is that some hard RC bugs tend to be
quite complex and complexity made me give up on other issues. We already
have the notion of owner in the BTS, but its usage appears to be
limited (and I didn't use it either for RC bugs so far). By forming a
team around a particular issue, we can contain the complexity and
motivate each other. This is not to say that such a team is to do the
full fix, but to give a direction and coordinate the involved parties.
The team would be tasked with avoiding stalls in the progress, pinging
and possibly timing out involved parties. Possibly writing regular
progress summaries would also be helpful to evaluate the performance of
the team. Such summaries would also make switching the owner later
easier. This model should also work with single person teams, but I'd
fear that a single person could more easily run into political
acceptance issues.

This is just a rough sketch so far, and I cannot tell whether it
actually works. Rereading the above paragraph, it sounds a bit like
mini release goal.

Helmut


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Call for help: archive rebuilds

2013-05-09 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi,

I'm unlikely to be able to do much archive rebuild work in the coming year, so 
I would welcome help on that front.

Here is the job description:
- maintain scripts to organize archive rebuilds, parse logs and file bugs
  Required skills: basic Ruby knowledge (or willingness to learn)
  scripts are in
  http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-qa/cloud-scripts.git
  and
  http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/collab-qa/collab-qa-tools/

- do the archive rebuilds themselves on Amazon Web Services
  Required skills: basic AWS knowledge (or willingness to learn)

- process results and file bugs (there are scripts that allow to automate
  most of the process).
  Required skills: good understanding of FTBFS bugs (common causes for 
  failure, etc), and of the BTS

- answer to questions from maintainers

Overall, one important skill is the ability to dedicate time to this task on 
a regular basis (on average, approx. 3 hours every 3 weeks).

The task covers normal archive rebuilds (rebuilding all packages, including 
source and arch:all, from source), but also custom rebuilds (new 
GCC/python/eglibc/... releases, clang), and possibly QA-specific targets 
(double-builds, non-minimal chroots, etc.)

It is not required to be a DD or DM.

Please reply to debian...@lists.debian.org if you are interested.

Lucas


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Re: Depends: libfoo:foreign ???

2013-05-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 08:43:22AM +0200, Niels Thykier wrote:
 On 2013-05-09 07:56, Paul Wise wrote:
  On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
  
  I just noticed that we have the first amd64 package in the archive that
  has dependencies on :i386 qualified libraries:
 
  Package: teamspeak-client
  
  It appears that will block it from reaching testing:
  
 
 Indeed, Britney does not support those annotations (at the moment?).  To
 avoid issues with this kind of thing, we made her consider such
 dependencies for unsatisfiable[1].
   So for now anything using that form in Depends or Pre-Depends will not
 reach testing (without manual intervention from the Release team and I
 am not sure how likely we are to do that).
 
  http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/teamspeak-client.html
  
  The proper thing to do would be to remove the amd64 package entirely
  and have users install the i386 version.
  
 
 Indeed, I believe that should work.

It is the indended solution. If it doesn't work then that is a bug and
needs to be fixed.
 
 ~Niels
 
 [1] Though she ignores them in Recommends/Suggests and possibly also in
 Breaks/Conflicts.

A Depends like in this case is never right since it mixes biarch
(libc6-i386) packages with multiarch (libfoo:i386).

I would say that a foreign dependency on a library is never right. If
the source compiles binaries for the foreign arch then the package
should be build on the foreign arch directly. Period.

Also, iirc, the use of foreign dependencies is only supposed to be on
packages with Multi-Arch: allowed. This is for interpreters and
plugins/lib bindings where the normal automatic method can't work. So
maybe DAK could be made more restrictive here.

MfG
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Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-09 Thread Philip Hands
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes:

 On 05/08/2013 06:30 PM, Peter Samuelson wrote:
 # in unstable
 Package: bar
 Build-Depends: libfoo-dev (= 1.5)

 The 'bar' maintainer intended to require the unstable version of
 libfoo-dev, but in fact the dependency is satisfied from stable as
 well.
 Yeah! And this mistake is very easy to make.

 I did a similar woopsie recently myself with Breaks / Replaces,
 (which was quickly solved) even though I quite know what
 I was doing, simply because I forgot about the epoch. Of course,
 that made the Breaks / Replaces completely useless.

 Though, is there a way to fix human brains? I don't think so...
 Would having the epoch written in the generated file names
 solve the problem? I don't think so either...

Looks like it might be possible to for test with lintian.

I presume it's OK to add the implicit 0: to non-epoch depends?

If so, lintian could complain whenever a dependency is specified on a
package with an epoch, unless the versions specified also include an
epoch, and if you really meant the pre-epoch version, you could just add
the 0: to get rid of the warning.

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Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 04:56:04PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
 On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 05:35:11PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
  On May 07, ?? ?? pashev.i...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   What about merging / and /usr ?
  An ambitious plan.
  I strongly support the everything in /usr scheme, but let's first 
  consolidate support for standalone /usr must be mounted by the 
  initramfs.
 
 I'm working on this at the present (I'm re-doing the proof of concept
 patches I made a few months back, to clean it all up and make it work
 in a wider number of cases).  I hope to have something by the end of
 the week, time permitting.
 
 That said, I'm not in support of moving things to /usr; it's completely
 backward.  Once we have / and /usr mounted in the initramfs, then we
 can work on deduplicating shared paths on / and /usr.  This will give
 us the option of migrating either way in the future (if ever).  If we
 do this, I'd prefer to make /usr a symlink to / on new installs, while
 retaining full backward compatibility for existing users, and requiring
 zero packaging changes.  But the other way would also be possible--it
 would just be a matter of d-i setting up the links.  But none of this is
 the primary reason for doing this initially.
 
 
 Regards,
 Roger

If you make /usr a symlink to / then there will be to distinct paths
to each file and that will confuse dpkg.

The first problem that comes to mind is package A containing /bin/foo
and package B containing /usr/bin/foo. Dpkg will happily install both
without noticing the file overwrite conflict.

Or package A 1.0 contains /bin/foo and package A 1.1 contains
/usr/bin/foo. IIrc then dpkg will unpack A 1.1 (overwrite /bin/foo
with /usr/bin/foo) and then remove /bin/foo. Leaving you without
/usr/bin/foo.

MfG
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Re: DPA instead of PPA

2013-05-09 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/09/2013 02:38 PM, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
 Hi,

 On Wed, 08 May 2013, Holger Levsen wrote:
 I actually really like this idea! (Though I suggest Debian Personal 
 Archive.)

 It's really different from what people know as PPAs.
 To be fair, Personal is probably not relevant either. I expect many of
 those repositories to be maintained by teams.

 DSPA = Debian Special Purpose Archive
 DSPR = Debian Special Purpose Repository
 DASP = Debian Archive of Special Packages
 SPA = Special Package Archive

 bikeshed \o/
Seriously, any of the above would be better than PPA.
Naming it like for Ubuntu fools our users into believing
it is the same thing, when the plan is not like that.

I like the first name above.

Thomas


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Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-09 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/07/2013 04:12 PM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
 Providing backports doesn't free you from the burden of making sure
 upgrades work.  Thomas is facing a very large chunk of work to make sure
 upgrades from the no-longer-supported E release to whatever might be in
 jessie, since upstream breaks APIs and doesn't support skipping releases
 when upgrading.

Yeah, you got the point. Though what breaks is mainly db
upgrades (using python-migrate, I'll have to care about
adding previous scripts, etc.).

Thomas


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Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 09:12:12AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
 On 05/07/2013 11:41 AM, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
 
 On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 05:36:41PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
 
 On May 07, Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org wrote:
 
 No please. We are good about making sure they each mean something
 important, and there's no good reason.
 
 Not really nowadays: more and more things needed at boot time are
 in /usr and there are no plans to fix them.
 
 We also support setups that might need this split due to low
 storage, such as arm devices.
 
 everything in /usr actually means that supporting these devices
 is much easier.
 
 Not when you have a 500 meg internal storage that the firmware boots
 off of, and using a multi-gig CF card to store the mega-awesome-app
 you're using it for.
 
 This seems to point to what I think may be a key question in the
 ongoing/recurring '/usr'-related discussions, which I don't think I've
 seen addressed in the iterations I've seen. If it has been addressed
 well, please point me to past iterations which have so addressed it,
 rather than rehashing the whole thing here just for my benefit.
 
 The question, expressed in a number of different ways to provide a type
 of clarity by triangulation, is: Why does /usr exist in the first
 place? Why was it created, way back in the day? What is its purpose,
 what is it for?
 
 
 My understanding, to the extent that I've had one, has always been that -
 to oversimplify it a bit - / is for installs of things which are
 system-essential, and /usr is for installs of things which are not. The
 definition of system-essential can be debated, but again, my
 understanding of it has been that it incorporates A: boot-essential
 (things required for boot) plus B: emergency tools (things you want to
 try to guarantee will be available in an emergency,
 things-are-broken-and-we-have-to-fix-them scenario, such as might leave
 you needing to rely on single-user mode).

The initial problem was that the harddisk was too small. So you had to
split things up into 2 harddisks somewhere. / was the first disk, /usr
the second. We have long since past this problem.

Except it is comming back. With embedded systems that boot from a
small flash that contains / and then have /usr on a non-bootable
drive.

But those systems can put an initrd on flash to boot. I'm not aware of
any situation where an initrd can't be used (can't, not don't want to).


For Debian the problem has become that / must contain everything
needed to be able to mount /usr. And that includes such odd cases as
/usr on NFS over wlan and a million other permutations of any possible
way to hide /usr somewhere.

The problem in recent years has been twofold:

1) some people have become more creative and used new things to put /usr
on. Like iscsi or nfs over wlan. So more tools are needed in / to make
this possible.

2) most people don't have a seperate /usr or /usr on the same medium
as / and upstreams have been ignorant or neglient about ensuring the
right things end up in / and only things from / are used before
mounting /usr. The less people have a seperate (and complicated) /usr
the less this is tested and more bit-rot creaps in.

We have reached a point where other distributions have given up and
upstreams are saying they don't care for a seperate /usr anymore.

 The real-world scenario is obviously far more complicated than that -
 dragging in definitions for what goes in /etc and /var and /home, and
 further defining a distinction between /usr and /usr/local, and so
 forth. But the basic concept seems simple enough as far as it goes.
 
 
 Now, the next question is: does that distinction, that defining purpose
 for the existence of /usr, still make sense in the modern world?
 
 Almost everyone boots via an initrd nowadays AFAIK, which would seem to
 more or less negate the advantages of keeping boot-essential things
 separate that way - but almost still isn't everyone, and I don't know
 whether we want to explicitly step away from support for non-initrd boot
 configurations.
 
 The emergency tools side of it I'm less clear on. It's relatively
 unimportant for cases where you have physical access to the system in
 the emergency scenario, assuming you can take the machine down long
 enough to boot into a rescue environment on removable storage (LiveCD or
 USB drive, et cetera), but there may not be any analogous alternate
 fallback for cases where you only have remote access to a machine, or
 where taking the machine down that way may not be an option. There's
 also the question of what scenarios this could actually help in, which
 may be limited enough to make the entire thing negligible.

On most (numerically) systems you have a bootloader that lets you
choose what to boot and it is trivial to add an emergency initrd with
all the repair tools you would ever want.

That is actualy much better than using / for emergencies since then /
will not be mounted and can be safely repaired too.
 
 

Re: DPA instead of PPA

2013-05-09 Thread Simon McVittie
On 09/05/13 07:38, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
 bikeshed \o/

You probably meant this to be a comment on the discussion rather than a
suggested name, but until it gets uploaded to unstable, you can get
GNOME 3.8 from the GNOME Team bikeshed actually sounds like a
reasonable sentence to write. :-)

(Or more seriously, maybe (mini|sub)-(archive|repository), to have
slightly fewer acronyms floating around.)

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Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-09 Thread Roger Leigh
On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 11:50:31AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
 If you make /usr a symlink to / then there will be to distinct paths
 to each file and that will confuse dpkg.
 
 The first problem that comes to mind is package A containing /bin/foo
 and package B containing /usr/bin/foo. Dpkg will happily install both
 without noticing the file overwrite conflict.
 
 Or package A 1.0 contains /bin/foo and package A 1.1 contains
 /usr/bin/foo. IIrc then dpkg will unpack A 1.1 (overwrite /bin/foo
 with /usr/bin/foo) and then remove /bin/foo. Leaving you without
 /usr/bin/foo.

This is all very true.  Once we have /usr mounted in the initramfs,
we can correct such duplicate paths to prevent this; packages which
provide a binary in /bin and a symlink in /usr/bin to make the binary
available in early boot can simply move the binary back to /usr--it
will be guaranteed to be available in early boot.  Since two different
paths would then be effectively equivalent, maybe we might also need
dpkg itself to be aware of this so that it will refuse to overwrite,
in addition to a manual audit of the existing paths.

My current work on this is at
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=users/rleigh/initramfs-tools.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/usrmount
It works for mounting a local /usr; testing NFS and NFS/local
combinations is on my TODO list for tonight.  This still needs further
cleanup and testing.  It will be ready for wider testing in a few days.
It also needs a patch to util-linux so it doesn't try to fsck a mounted
/usr at boot.


Regards,
Roger

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Re: wheezy postmortem re rc bugfixing

2013-05-09 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 09/05/13 at 08:32 +0200, Niels Thykier wrote:
   The execution of the time-based freeze might have failed.  Also,
 testing did not serving its purpose of always being in (a
 near-)releasable state[2] with its 500+ RC bugs at the start of the
 freeze was not ideal (either?).

I think that one problem is that our current workflows are based on the
illusion that all RC bugs are equal.

Our tools (e.g. http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi) should get better at
differenciating different kinds of RC bugs. For example:
- old RC bugs vs new RC bugs: experienced bug squashers should focus on
  the old RC bugs, not on the maybe-trivial-to-fix new RC bugs.
- RC bugs affecting popular/important packages vs RC bugs affecting
  minor packages (that we could remove without).
We should include such distinctions in the various graphs we use to
track progress.

Also, we should be more agressive at getting down the number of RC bugs
by automatically removing RC-buggy not-so-important packages. For
example, if we keep the current time-based freeze policy for jessie, we
could announce that all not-so-important RC-buggy packages will be
removed from testing on freeze date.

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Re: wheezy postmortem re rc bugfixing

2013-05-09 Thread Christoph Egger
Hi!

Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org writes:
 Also, we should be more agressive at getting down the number of RC bugs
 by automatically removing RC-buggy not-so-important packages. For
 example, if we keep the current time-based freeze policy for jessie, we
 could announce that all not-so-important RC-buggy packages will be
 removed from testing on freeze date.

  I'm not so persuaded this will actually improve anything. During lenny
freeze I've fixed a couple of these easy RC bugs on unmaintained leave
packages when I had some 30 minutes of time and no good Idea of what to
do. I have had similar timeslots too small to actually get into more
difficult RC bugs but couldn't find anything to do during squeeze and
especially wheezy freeze so I ended up doing *nothing*.

  Removing RC-buggy (and potentially not-taken-care-of) packages early
may increase the average quality of software in the release (because
these fixes mostly do exactly as much as is needed to fix the RC bug)
but I'm far from persuaded it will increase release speed. Different
thing for will-remove and dropping such packages late of course.

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Re: wheezy postmortem re rc bugfixing

2013-05-09 Thread Julien Cristau
On Thu, May  9, 2013 at 12:55:03 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:

 Also, we should be more agressive at getting down the number of RC bugs
 by automatically removing RC-buggy not-so-important packages. For
 example, if we keep the current time-based freeze policy for jessie, we
 could announce that all not-so-important RC-buggy packages will be
 removed from testing on freeze date.
 
define:not-so-important.  I'm sure that'll be fun.

Cheers,
Julien


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Re: DPA instead of PPA

2013-05-09 Thread Andreas Beckmann
Another opportunity these XPAs will bring, especially the ones that will
be used for staging large transitions, is to run piuparts and related
tests to discover (and fix) problems before they get introduced into
unstable.


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Re: wheezy postmortem re rc bugfixing

2013-05-09 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org writes:
 Also, we should be more agressive at getting down the number of RC bugs
 by automatically removing RC-buggy not-so-important packages.

This sounds like a good idea. If somebody is interested in the package
they can easily reintroduce it after they have fixed the bug.


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Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-09 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 08:14:32PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
 On Wed, 8 May 2013 17:32:13 +0200, Helmut Grohne hel...@subdivi.de
 wrote:
 On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 12:19:25PM +0200, Philipp Kern wrote:
  Fedora updates are different. (And so are Ubuntu updates, if one considers
  that it's possible to provide fixup scripts to update-manager pre-upgrade.)
  As long as we're supporting upgrades through plain apt, that's going to
  be hard. Especially if you have non-distro packages installed that need
  to be migrated as well, with the tracking information updated.
 
 Maybe the issue here shouldn't be changing the default. After all there
 is a quite vocal opposition to such a step. I fail to see consensus in
 the recent mails without even contributing a personal opinion here.
 
 So really what does it take to e.g. move /bin and stuff to /usr? Did
 anyone try that? Where is that documented? What problems did occur?
 
 If we force a much bigger /, the chance of a broken / filesystem
 increases.  If / is fine, one has a chance to fix the system without
 booting to rescue. So, a small / both decreases the probability of a
 boot failure and makes fixing breakage easier.

The assumptions here are that a separate rootfs decreases the chance
of breakage, and that you'll need the rootfs to perform the rescue.

Does having two filesystems rather than one decrease the chances, or
increase them?  Neither are written to much during normal system
operation, and they can both be mounted read-only.  Do we have any
concrete evidence one way or the other here?

Regarding rescue, the initramfs has a rescue shell which I've found
to be just as useful as single user mode.  Once it has mounted the
rootfs, you can chroot into that and do whatever you would normally
do to rescue /usr. [Assuming a separate /usr.]  If it doesn't get as
far as mounting the rootfs, then you'll need some rescue disc in any
case.  I find the busybox shell to be just as effective as a rescue
disc in most cases.

In the case where we're mounting /usr in the initramfs rather than
having it on the rootfs, there's no practical difference to the
current status quo (and this is intentional).  The only change is
that we provide the guarantee that /usr is available before init
starts.

 If we change our software so that the system never gets beyond initrd
 stage if mount /usr fails, we increase the change of breaking boot
 because _two_ filesystems need to be fine and mounted before we leave
 initrd.
 
 Both changes are bad from a robustness point of view. Keeping the root
 fs small was a good idea 20 years ago, and it still is.

I think this is primarily just shifting the lines of where
responsibilities are divided.  The initramfs is doing part of the job
of what the separate rootfs was doing.  If there's a problem, then you
get the rescue shell in the initramfs rather than the rescue shell from
the initscripts/single user mode.  In all these cases, the system is
unavailable for normal operations until the problem is fixed.

There was some mention of putting fsck in the initramfs.  I'm not
sure whether I really like the idea or not, but from the point of
view of having the tools to fix and mount the rootfs (and /usr) there
when needed, it may well be useful, so long as we can avoid idiocy
such as #701936.  We still need the fsck helpers to work for the
non-initramfs case and also not be utterly broken.


Regards,
Roger

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Bug#707554: ITP: hyphen-ru -- Russian hyphenation patterns for LibreOffice/OpenOffice.org

2013-05-09 Thread Ильяс Гасанов
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Ilyas Gasanov torso.n...@gmail.com

* Package name: hyphen-ru
  Version : 20030310
  Upstream Author : Alexander I. Lebedev s...@scon155.phys.msu.su
* URL : http://scon155.phys.msu.su/~swan/hyphenation.html‎
* License : LPPL
  Programming Lang: none
  Description : Russian hyphenation patterns for LibreOffice

I have patched Alexander Lebedev's hyphenation patterns (ruhyphal)
already found in the texlive-lang-cyrillic Debian package and the
ruhyphen CTAN package, so that they would work with LibreOffice. The
reason why I have chosen exactly these patterns is because, among those
released under a free license, they seem to give the best orphographical
results while their format is generally supported by LibreOffice.

These patterns have been released by the author under the terms of the
LaTeX project public license version 1.2 (with an option of choosing any
later version), thus I see no problems for my package to formally fit
the DFSG and be included into the main distribution branch.

Since I am not a Debian Developer yet, I'm uploading the complete
package to the mentors.debian.net storage for sponsorship approval.

Best regards,

Ilyas


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can someone explain what is happen on line one from this listing?

2013-05-09 Thread Mailbox

Hello Developer Group,

can someone explain what is happen on line one from this listing?

why i loos the interrupt?

what is the Status 0x50?

has someone a idea in which Documentation an can finde more informations 
about 0x50?


May  7 19:39:57 lxhs110a kernel: [316946.812055] ata2: lost interrupt 
(Status 0x50)
May  7 19:39:57 lxhs110a kernel: [316946.812072] ata2: exception Emask 
0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x4405 action 0xf
May  7 19:39:57 lxhs110a kernel: [316946.812116] ata2: SError: { 
PHYRdyChg CommWake DevExch }

May  7 19:39:57 lxhs110a kernel: [316946.812156] ata2: hard resetting link
May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.536038] ata2: SATA link up 1.5 
Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 300)
May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.560823] ata2.00: configured for 
UDMA/133
May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.560831] end_request: I/O error, 
dev sdb, sector 25141733
May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.560876] md: super_written gets 
error=-5, uptodate=0
May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.560880] raid1: Disk failure on 
sdb4, disabling device.
May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.560881] raid1: Operation 
continuing on 1 devices.

May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.560962] ata2: EH complete
May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.595196] RAID1 conf printout:
May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.595198]  --- wd:1 rd:2
May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.595201]  disk 0, wo:1, o:0, 
dev:sdb4
May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.595203]  disk 1, wo:0, o:1, 
dev:sda4

May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.608009] RAID1 conf printout:
May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.608011]  --- wd:1 rd:2
May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.608013]  disk 1, wo:0, o:1, 
dev:sda4


thanks
Paulo


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Bug#707556: ITP: node-keypress -- Make any Node ReadableStream emit keypress events

2013-05-09 Thread Mike Gabriel
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Mike Gabriel mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de

* Package name: node-keypress
  Version : 0.1.0
  Upstream Author : Nathan Rajlich nat...@tootallnate.net
* URL : https://github.com/TooTallNate/keypress
* License : MIT
  Programming Lang: Javascript
  Description : Make any Node ReadableStream emit keypress events

 Previous to Node v0.8.x, there was an undocumented keypress event that
 process.stdin would emit when it was a TTY. Some people discovered this
 hidden gem, and started using it in their own code.
 .
 In Node v0.8.x (and above), this keypress event does not get emitted by 
default,
 but rather only when it is being used in conjuction with the readline (or
 by extension, the repl) module.
 .
 This module is the exact logic from the node pre-v0.8.x releases ripped out
 into its own module.
 .
 Bonus: Now with mouse support!


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Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-09 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 9 May 2013 12:33:47 +0100, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net
wrote:
Regarding rescue, the initramfs has a rescue shell which I've found
to be just as useful as single user mode.

Isn't that the one that doesn't even have a shell history or tab
completion?

Once it has mounted the
rootfs, you can chroot into that and do whatever you would normally
do to rescue /usr. [Assuming a separate /usr.]  If it doesn't get as
far as mounting the rootfs, then you'll need some rescue disc in any
case.

You have a point here. The problem is that people need to change their
operations, which is hard for many people, let alone the case when
emergency manuals need to be changed just for the sake of satisfying
Lennart.

I find the busybox shell to be just as effective as a rescue
disc in most cases.

I don't.

Greetings
Marc
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Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-09 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 9 May 2013 10:40:14 +0200, m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote:
On May 09, Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de wrote:
 That's a hack which is acceptable for single-user home desktops. We're
 talking about professional IT here.
Great, if this is the strongest objection you have then looks like it 
can be done.

If you don't care about the companies that use Debian and you want
their sponsoring money to go elsewhere, yes, absolutely do this.

Otoh, companies runnign IT shops are used to being screwed, so Debian
screwing them will be an experience they're already used to.

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Bug#707559: ITP: node-commander -- The complete solution for Node.js command-line interfaces

2013-05-09 Thread Mike Gabriel
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Mike Gabriel mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de

* Package name: node-commander
  Version : 1.1.1
  Upstream Author : TJ Holowaychuk t...@vision-media.ca
* URL : https://github.com/visionmedia/commander.js
* License : MIT
  Programming Lang: Javascript
  Description : The complete solution for Node.js command-line interfaces

 Commander is a light-weight, expressive, and powerful command-line framework
 for Node.js.
 .
 Inspired by Ruby's commander, this Node.js module provides command line
 option parsing, automated/customizable help texts, command line prompting
 password query, and many more features.


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Re: Merging / and /usr

2013-05-09 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes:
 Isn't that the one that doesn't even have a shell history or tab
 completion?

At least in squeeze I have both. Try booting with e.g. break=top to see
yourself.


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Re: wheezy postmortem re rc bugfixing

2013-05-09 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 09/05/13 at 13:20 +0200, Julien Cristau wrote:
 On Thu, May  9, 2013 at 12:55:03 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
 
  Also, we should be more agressive at getting down the number of RC bugs
  by automatically removing RC-buggy not-so-important packages. For
  example, if we keep the current time-based freeze policy for jessie, we
  could announce that all not-so-important RC-buggy packages will be
  removed from testing on freeze date.
  
 define:not-so-important.  I'm sure that'll be fun.

Given that:
* the not-so-important status would only be used to decide
  that some packages can be safely removed from testing when they are
  RC-buggy,
* the release team has authority on deciding what's inside testing

I think that the release team can decide on such criterias. Actually,
that's something the team already did during the wheezy freeze. I'm just
proposing to do that doing that earlier, with more advertised criterias.

For example, we could use the following rules:
* source packages with binary packages of priority 'standard',
  'important', 'required' are important
* source packages building udebs are important
* source packages building binary packages installed on more than
  5% of popcon-reporting packages (that's popcon  7714 currently)
  are important
* build-dependencies of important packages are important

A quick hack resulted in:
http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/important_packages.cgi
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-qa/udd.git;a=blob;f=web/cgi-bin/important_packages.cgi

Which gives 2567 such important packages.
Of the 963 RC bugs affecting sid currently, only 185 affect sid's
important packages.

Lucas


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Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-09 Thread Philipp Kern
On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 10:32:09AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
 That's how I do it for new installs. However, this is vastly more
 complex than the traditional setup, and it doesn't help for systems in
 maintenance mode that, for example, cannot be changed because of
 service level agreements and certifications.

And such systems are upgraded to a new release? That'd be surprising.

 Using Debian happens beyond single-user home desktop settings, you
 know.

I'm pretty sure he knows, so that remark seems unnecessary.

Kind regards
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Bug#707571: ITP: node-channels -- Event channels in Node.js

2013-05-09 Thread Mike Gabriel
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Mike Gabriel mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de

* Package name: node-channels
  Version : 0.0.5
  Upstream Author : Peter 'Pita' Martischka petermartisc...@googlemail.com
* URL : https://github.com/Pita/channels
* License : Apache-2.0
  Programming Lang: Javascript
  Description : Event channels in Node.js

 Channels keeps your messages in order for different endpoints (channels) of
 your Node.js application.
 .
 In Etherpad Channels is used to ensure changes for specific pads have their
 own channel (gateway) and changesets (planes) are assigned to specific
 channels (gateways).
 .
 Channels is useful if you need to have lots of different I/O operations on
 different endpoints that you need to keep in order.


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Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-09 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 09, Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de wrote:

 If you don't care about the companies that use Debian and you want
 their sponsoring money to go elsewhere, yes, absolutely do this.
Actually I care a lot, since I happen to have a role in one which 
manages quite a bit of Debian servers (four digits of Debian servers).

And there are some interesting business reason for which I want Debian 
to support a everything-in-/usr file system.

So, please let me know if you have some technical objections better 
than it's an hack.

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Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-09 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it [130509 16:03]:
 So, please let me know if you have some technical objections better 
 than it's an hack.

Having a seperate / means you have an instant rescue image that has
just the right kernel and tools you need to repair the rest of your
system. You also have one small filesystem with all the important
stuff like /etc in it while the boring large distro stuff is in
another partition. You also have a partition border between
most of the random stuff and the important stuff.

All those are real advantages that people care about. A simple
I do it differently or I do not care from your side is hardly
anything someone can counter with technical arguments, so you will
not see many.

Bernhard R. Link


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Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-09 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-05-09 15:58:02 +0800 (+0800), Thomas Goirand wrote:
 On 05/07/2013 10:34 PM, Paul Wise wrote:
  On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
[...]
   Also, the rules in backports is that packages should be
   already migrated to testing. The point is, if I had PPAs, I
   wouldn't at all upload to SID and wait for a migration to
   testing, because it would be better if the packages were
   living in the PPA only (that would be a lot more flexible and
   adapted to my use case).
  
  I think that would be a bit sad and I hope you don't do that.
 
 I agree. I tried to explain that to upstream, but no luck so far...
 There's not much I can do, especially with a project of that size.
[...]

To be fair, it's mostly growing pains. The project is only a few
years old at this point and has over 500 active developers (a
significant percentage of whom do it as a full-time job). There
wasn't previously as strong a focus on long-term supportability and
maintainability as the codebase grew. OpenStack doesn't officially
do development work on bug fixes for releases over a year old, but
also doesn't discourage packagers/distributors from attempting to do
so (and is generally fairly helpful at pointing them in the right
direction if the bug can be easily demonstrated).

It has also recently grown a release upgrade testing suite in its
CI, so future releases will at least provide a fully tested model
for incrementally upgrading database schemas and configuration files
from one release of OpenStack to the next. For distributions
skipping intermediate releases this probably still means carrying a
stub of the skipped releases in the next release, enough to be able
to perform upgrades... but if you'll recall at our last summit there
was also consensus around further splitting out the upgrade
mechanisms so downstreams could make easier use of them (I think you
were in the room for that conversation).
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Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-09 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 10:43:27AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
 Looks like it might be possible to for test with lintian.

 I presume it's OK to add the implicit 0: to non-epoch depends?

 If so, lintian could complain whenever a dependency is specified on a
 package with an epoch, unless the versions specified also include an
 epoch, and if you really meant the pre-epoch version, you could just add
 the 0: to get rid of the warning.

This means the output of lintian will vary depending on what versions of the
package are visible in the local packages list.  AIUI that's something the
lintian maintainers try very hard to avoid.

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Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-09 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/07/2013 03:34 PM, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
 While there are certainly use cases that will stay in a PPA forever
 (Thomas described one)

And I seriously wished it wasn't the case, and
that upstream understood better what the
distribution requirements are.

This should be considered as the last resort,
when there is no other way.

Thomas


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Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-09 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net [130509 13:34]:
 The assumptions here are that a separate rootfs decreases the chance
 of breakage, and that you'll need the rootfs to perform the rescue.

No, the point is that having two file systems reduces the amout of
breakage you get.

All the important stuff is in / while /usr is mostly static data
easily (at least outside /usr/local, and even there more likely
than say /etc) recoverable or not that important if lost.

Also with the tools in / you can usually repair problems in /usr.
There is just the right kernel and just the right versions of all
tools. You can do most of the stuff with some rescue-disc, if
the versions fits. But too often there are differences. And getting
some other tool it misses means you need to either install it in
an ramfs and hope you do not need to reboot or you need to have
some spare partition on the hw left. And you do not have access to
your fstab. While each of those problems is managable alone, they
sum up. Each adds to the time you need. And time is often something
you do not really want to spend in case you have a problem.

And while there is no proof that when having one small and one large
partition, the small partition is less likely to fail than everything
in one large partition together, both reason and experience demand
that this point is quite more than an assumption.

 Regarding rescue, the initramfs has a rescue shell which I've found
 to be just as useful as single user mode.  Once it has mounted the
 rootfs, you can chroot into that and do whatever you would normally
 do to rescue /usr. [Assuming a separate /usr.]  If it doesn't get as
 far as mounting the rootfs, then you'll need some rescue disc in any
 case.  I find the busybox shell to be just as effective as a rescue
 disc in most cases.

rescue /usr in a seperate / + /usr setting usually means making sure
it can be mounted again. (Or to transfer data elsewhere, which is also
much easier when your normal network setup is already available).

 In the case where we're mounting /usr in the initramfs rather than
 having it on the rootfs, there's no practical difference to the
 current status quo (and this is intentional).  The only change is
 that we provide the guarantee that /usr is available before init
 starts.

Or in other words: to make essential functionality not available if
/usr is broken.

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Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-09 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-05-09 22:55:33 +0800 (+0800), Thomas Goirand wrote:
[...]
 And I seriously wished it wasn't the case, and that upstream
 understood better what the distribution requirements are.
[...]

Actually, in this case (OpenStack) from what I've seen the upstream
community understands the distribution requirements quite well and
is, on the whole, sympathetic. It's not actively ignoring
distributor/packager concerns--the problem is there aren't enough
developers with an interest in maintaining code old enough for
distributions to carry long-term, since the current development
effort is mainly provided by donors who are interested in pulling
current code directly from the project rather than using
distribution packages (mainly because development is still moving
very, very fast compared to distributions' release schedules).

If enough interested developers suddenly walked up and asked to help
make long-term support happen (along with the additional CI
resources required, and then actually did the work), I don't think
it would be an issue. As the project ages and development stabilizes
further I hope this will begin to emerge naturally within the
developer community, and expect it will become easier to maintain
releases over longer periods of time. Right now there's just too
much code being ripped out, replaced, split into separate projects,
mashed together from separate projects and so on for that to be a
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Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-09 Thread Jakub Wilk

* Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org, 2013-05-09, 07:39:

On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 10:43:27AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:

Looks like it might be possible to for test with lintian.

I presume it's OK to add the implicit 0: to non-epoch depends?

If so, lintian could complain whenever a dependency is specified on a 
package with an epoch, unless the versions specified also include an 
epoch, and if you really meant the pre-epoch version, you could just 
add the 0: to get rid of the warning.


This means the output of lintian will vary depending on what versions 
of the package are visible in the local packages list.  AIUI that's 
something the lintian maintainers try very hard to avoid.


It certainly shouldn't looks at local package list. It could have a 
static data file listing all known packages with epoched versions, 
though.


And if you have data also about _past_ versions, you can implement a 
better heuristics than Philip proposed. Porting 
epoch-mistmatch-finger[0] to Lintian was on my TODO list for a while, 
but to be frank it doesn't look like I'll find time to implement this 
any time soon.


[0] http://lists.debian.org/20120705213427.ga2...@jwilk.net

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Re: Depends: libfoo:foreign ???

2013-05-09 Thread Wookey
+++ Goswin von Brederlow [2013-05-09 11:39 +0200]:
 On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 08:43:22AM +0200, Niels Thykier wrote:
  On 2013-05-09 07:56, Paul Wise wrote:
   On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
   
   I just noticed that we have the first amd64 package in the archive that
   has dependencies on :i386 qualified libraries:
  
   Package: teamspeak-client
 
 A Depends like in this case is never right since it mixes biarch
 (libc6-i386) packages with multiarch (libfoo:i386).

This does seem wrong, especially in this case. I can't think of a case
where it makes sense offhand, but there might be one.

 I would say that a foreign dependency on a library is never right.

That's too strong. It can make sense for cross-tools, or maybe
emulators, which genuinely need a foreign-arch library to operate. But
I'm not aware of other sensible usages.

 If
 the source compiles binaries for the foreign arch then the package
 should be build on the foreign arch directly. Period.

Apart from the above exceptions, I agree.

We haven't yet formulated any policy on what is/isn't going to be
allowed/deemed sensible. 

 Also, iirc, the use of foreign dependencies is only supposed to be on
 packages with Multi-Arch: allowed. 

I don't think that's relevant/correct. A foreign-arch dep is
appropriate when the binary is linked against/uses said library, and a
same-arch libfoo-arch-cross isn't used instead. Said library could be a
perfectly normal M-A:same package.

I guess it's time to have a think about this stuff and write down some
guidelines/policy.

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Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-09 Thread Simon McVittie
On 06/05/13 13:49, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
 now might be the right time to start a discussion about release goals
 for jessie.

Some random make things less fragile ideas, from the packages that
FTBFS with the new GLib[1]:

* Packages intended to reach stable not FTBFSing just because a
  function they or their dependencies use was deprecated
  (implementation: do not use bare -Werror or
  -Werror=deprecated-declarations; do not define G_DISABLE_DEPRECATED,
  etc.; in GNOME-land, define GLIB_VERSION_MIN_REQUIRED etc.
  appropriately)

* Packages intended to reach stable not FTBFSing when the compiler
  introduces a new warning[2]
  (implementation: do not use bare -Werror, and certainly not -Wall
  -Wextra -Werror; specific really bad things, like -Werror=implicit,
  are OK)

Packages intended to reach stable includes unstable/testing, but not
experimental or PPAs - it's OK, and perhaps even actively good, if
development code is liable to FTBFS at the slightest provocation.

Conversely, 64-bit-cleanness and general code quality would probably
benefit from an archive rebuild with -Werror=implicit (or some suitable
set of bad warnings). dpkg-buildflags already uses
-Werror=format-security.

S

[1]
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?users=debian...@lists.debian.org;tag=qa-ftbfs-20130509

[2] among amusing indications that -Werror is not quite right: byzanz:
FTBFS: record.c:59:3: error: function might be possible candidate for
'gnu_printf' format attribute [-Werror=missing-format-attribute]


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Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-09 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 09, Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org wrote:

 Or in other words: to make essential functionality not available if
 /usr is broken.
Again: this is not we are discussing. Essential functionality is moving 
to /usr anyway, no matter if /bin will become a symlink to /usr/bin.

 Having a seperate / means you have an instant rescue image that has
 just the right kernel and tools you need to repair the rest of your
 system.
OK, so you could have an even *smaller* / with a *real* independent 
rescue image like grml in /boot.

 You also have one small filesystem with all the important
 stuff like /etc in it while the boring large distro stuff is in
 another partition. You also have a partition border between
 most of the random stuff and the important stuff.
Indeed, if the content of /{bin,sbin,lib} is moved to /usr you can have 
a small filesystem with all the important stuff like /etc in it and the 
boring large distro stuff (like 100 MB of kernel modules for each 
kernel, currently in /lib) in another partition.

I am glad that we sorted out your use case as well.

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Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-09 Thread David Kalnischkies
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Philip Hands p...@hands.com wrote:
 I presume it's OK to add the implicit 0: to non-epoch depends?

No, that not okay. dpkg rewrites versions at times – mainly in
/var/lib/dpkg/status – to a canonical form, so this information is
lost at some point.

Especially does it cause strange behavior in APT: The records in
the Packages file (aka with 0:) will be different from the records in the
status file (aka without 0:) so APT will think the records talk about two
different versions of the package (as the dependencies are different).

Example:

Package: foo
Filename: foo.deb
Depends: bar (= 0:0.00-0)

Package: foo
Status: install ok installed
Depends: bar (= 0.0)

(And before someone asks: wontfix in APT for performance and code
 duplication with dpkg reasons, among others)

In my eyes it would actually make sense to rewrite the version in a
canonical form already at package creation time and warn in lintian
if a version wasn't written in the canonical form (as this usually indicates
a misunderstanding/bug already). Only problem I see with that is that dpkg
isn't providing an interface for it so far which lintian could use.


Best regards

David Kalnischkies


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Bug#707601: ITP: debmake -- helper script to make the Debian source package

2013-05-09 Thread Osamu Aoki
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Osamu Aoki os...@debian.org

* Package name: debmake
  Version : 4.0.0
  Upstream Author : Osamu Aoki os...@debian.org
* URL : none yet
* License : MIT
  Programming Lang: Python3
  Description : helper script to make the Debian source package

 This package helps you to convert a upstream source package (or VCS contents)
 into the Debian package by adding files required for the Debian source
 package.  The generated debian/rules file uses the new dh command syntax from
 the debhelper (9) package.
 .
 The debmake command invoked in the upstream source tree without any option
 can generate template files which is good enough to create a single arch=any
 Debian binary package for local use.  The generated files should be edited to
 make it conform to the Debian policy if the package is uploaded to the Debian
 archive.  By adding few options, this command can generate template files for
 the arbitrary combination of the multi-binary and multi-arch package, etc.
 .
 This debmake command also scans copyright and license texts in the source
 files to help crafting the proper DEP-5 compatible debian/copyright file.


This is working here.  This generates proper dh command line with --with ...
for python2 and python3 (with override lines).  This also has options to use
upstream make dist or tarball as the starting point. I am cleaning up code
before upload.  No problem for running multiple times and no more extra
template files unless requested.

FYI:
The author thanks previous efforts on this topic (GPL):
 * debmake: 1996-1997 Christoph Lameter clame...@debian.org
1997-2006 Santiago Vila sanv...@debian.org
command: deb-make, version up to 3.8 (shell script)
(not in wheezy)

 * dh-make: 1998-2012 Craig Small csm...@debian.org
command: dh_make (perl script)

Version starts from 4.0.0 since old debmake was 3.8.

===
$ debmake -h
usage: debmake [-h] [-a upstream-version.tar.gz | -d] [-p package_name]
   [-u upstream_version] [-r debian_revision] [-z extension]
   [-b package[:type]] [-c license_file] [-e f...@example.org]
   [-f firstname lastname] [-i] [-m] [-n] [-o] [-q] [-v] [-x]

debmake: make Debian source packageVersion: 4.0.0
Copyright © 2013 Osamu Aoki os...@debian.org

debmake builds the Debian package from the upstream source.  
Normally, this is done as follows:
 * The upstream tarball is downloaded as the upstream-version.tar.gz file.
 * The upstream_version.orig.tar.gz symlink is generated pointing to the 
upstream tarball.
 * It is untared to create many files under the upstream-version/ directory.  
 * debmake is invoked in the upstream-version/ directory without any arguments.
 * Files in the upstream-version/debian/ directory are manually adjusted.
 * dpkg-buildpackage is invoked in the upstream-version/ directory to make 
debian packages.

optional arguments:
  -h, --helpshow this help message and exit
  -a upstream-version.tar.gz, --archive upstream-version.tar.gz
use the upstream source tarball directly (-p, -u, -z:
overridden)
  -d, --distrun make dist equivalent first to generate upstream
tarball and use it
  -p package_name, --package package_name
set the Debian package name
  -u upstream_version, --upstreamversion upstream_version
set the upstream package version
  -r debian_revision, --revision debian_revision
set the Debian package revision
  -z extension, --targz extension
set the tarball type,
extension=(tar.gz|tar.bz2|tar.xz)
  -b package[:type], --binaryspec package[:type]
set binary package specs,
package=(-|-doc|-dev|-common|-bin|-dbg),
type=(all|any|foreign|same)

   (This can have -bpackage1:type1,package2:type2,package3:type3)

  -c license_file, --copyright license_file
add formatted license to debian/copyright
  -e f...@example.org, --email f...@example.org
set e-mail address
  -f firstname lastname, --fullname firstname lastname
set the fullname
  -i, --initialize  set-up debhelper to run autoreconf -ivf to
initialize for Autotools
  -m, --monoarchforce packages to be non-multiarch
  -n, --native  make a native source package without .orig.tar.gz
  -o, --overwrite   overwrite existing configuration files
  -q, --quitearly   quit early before creating files in the debian
directory
  -v, --version show version information
  -x, --extra   generate extra configuration 

Re: idea: generalized soft dependencies

2013-05-09 Thread David Kalnischkies
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Eugene V. Lyubimkin jac...@debian.org wrote:
 Soft-Depends: a {90%}, b (= 1.2) {20%}, c (= 4) {99%}, c (= 6) {70%}

If we assume its already hard to decide recommends or suggests it will
be impossible to choose a number between 0 and 100. Basically we are rating
likelihood of usage here and while the one provided by a will be a
common one for many, I am not up to the task of deciding if it will be
used by 90%, 80% or just 70% so naturally numbers will be assigned at
random, which in turn means as a user I can't say: hey, install if
= 70/80/90 as it means something different for everyone.


 Soft-Depends: iceweasel {50%,tag:desktop}, curl {95%,if_not_installed:wget}

So supposedly on 50% of all desktops iceweasel is installed which can
in turn be used by the software having this dependency. Great, but I still
have no idea why 50% installed it and 50% don't.
Which 50% group I am part of? The tag desktop might give a hint, but
such tags need to be defined and carry a meaning. A tag like laptop
tells me that it will help with powersaving (which would probably be the
better tag name, as I will like want to install it on my phone too),
printing is useless if I don't have a printer, online and streaming
might not be the best ideas if I have no internet connection at all …
That's a lot harder of course, but caries way more useful information as
I have no idea how many people don't have their own nuclear power plant,
highspeed internet or a printer. 30, 50 or 90% ? I might be able to answer
that in my area (and I would probably still be wrong), but not on a global
scale.


 Soft-Depends: debdelta {10%,text:to enable automatic delta downloading}

While this solves the why, we have a new problem: Translations
And these texts are quickly written in a way a user can't use:
What the hell is a delta? - debian-l10n-english to the rescue!?

Its really up to the debdelta package to tell the user what it does as in
this case it seems to be a plugin, so this should be an Enhances even if
from a technical point the glue to use debdelta is in the package the
enhances would point to.

Of course, this doesn't work if wget is used instead of debdelta in the
example as wget is used by a lot of stuff, but always for the same task:
So annotating all dependencies on wget with the tag use:downloading just
feels wrong. And the package wget is already tagged with use:downloading,
we just don't make proper use of this so far.


So in summary, I see a need for it, and I would like to reserve the syntax
we will use for build-profiles in build-dependencies also in normal
dependencies as use-profiles (as Johannes has already pointed to), but we
should really use the current information we already have much more and
take the new syntax we could use in ~2 releases as an override/selector
(e.g. iceweasel has 3 uses, so we could select which one is meant).


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Re: New version of libselinux makes libpcre3 pseudo-essential

2013-05-09 Thread David Kalnischkies
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de wrote:
 On Wed, 8 May 2013 11:56:15 +0200, Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org
 wrote:
Please re-read the policy, especially 2.5:
| Packages must not depend on packages with lower priority values
| (excluding build-time dependencies).

 IIRC that policy paragraph is from the times where our CD build
 software didn't follow dependencies when choosing packages for images.
 Afaik, they have been following dependencies for a decade now, so this
 policy paragraph could be removed.

Please don't. Various tools might depend on it. APT will e.g. refuse to
consider required packages from being autoremoved and while it is
fixed since squeeze, it used to boggle on violations (#583517).
It's also using the priorities in its scoring calculations to decide which
packages are more important to keep working (granted, dependencies will
 influence it too, but every point might count).

Lifting this requirement makes priorities useless in the end as an
optional package which is a dependency of an important package
is not optional. It must be dealt with by software as well as people
as if it is important, so lets just mark it that way – or drop priorities
completely, but not some wishy-washy middle ground.


Best regards

David Kalnischkies


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Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-09 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/08/2013 05:07 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
 On 05/08/2013 11:27 AM, Adam Borowski wrote:
 On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 09:46:02AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
 What I think should be fixed is the fact that it doesn't
 appear in the filename. I never understood why they
 don't. Did I miss something?
 Having a colon in CD/DVD images is likely to cause problems, with the chance
 of breakage reaching 100% if there's Windows nearby.

 Not sure what a clean way of escaping the colon would be.

 We don't *have* to use a semi-colon on the file names, if
 that char is a problem.

 Thomas
Seems nobody is picking-up on the topic, so I'll try
once more, because I'm convince there's something
we could do here. How about replacing epoch separator
char : by @ in the filenames for example?

Thomas


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Bug#707615: ITP: python-autopep8 -- tool that automatically formats Python code to conform to autopep8

2013-05-09 Thread micah
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Micah Anderson mi...@debian.org

* Package name: python-autopep8
  Version : 0.8.7
  Upstream Author : Hideo Hattori hhatto...@gmail.com
* URL : https://pypi.python.org/pypi/autopep8
* License : Expat
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : tool that automatically formats Python code to conform to 
autopep8

 autopep8 automatically formats Python code to conform to the PEP 8 style
 guide. It uses the pep8 utility to determine what parts of the code needs to
 be formatted. autopep8 is capable of fixing most of the formatting issues that
 can be reported by pep8.


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Bug#707619: ITP: python-paisley -- CouchDB client written in Python to be used within a Twisted application

2013-05-09 Thread micah
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Micah Anderson mi...@debian.org

* Package name: python-paisley
  Version : 0.3.1
  Upstream Author : David Reid and Thomas Herve
* URL : https://github.com/objcode/paisley
* License : Expat
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : CouchDB client written in Python to be used within a 
Twisted application

 Paisley implements the CouchDB API for Twisted.


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Bug#707620: ITP: python-dirspec -- Python User Folders Specification Library

2013-05-09 Thread Micah Anderson
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Micah Anderson mi...@debian.org

* Package name: python-dirspec
  Version : 4.2.0
  Upstream Author : Canonical Ltd.
* URL : https://launchpad.net/dirspec
* License : LGPL-3
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : Python User Folders Specification Library

 A library for handling the XDG Base Directory specification, and the
 XDG User Directories for music, videos, etc…


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Bug#707625: ITP: u1db -- Ubuntu One structured data storage - Python API

2013-05-09 Thread Micah Anderson
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Micah Anderson mi...@debian.org

* Package name: u1db
  Version : 0.1.4
  Upstream Author : Canonical Ltd
* URL : https://launchpad.net/u1db
* License : LGPL-3
  Programming Lang: Python, C
  Description : Ubuntu One structured data storage - Python API

U1DB is a database API for synchronised databases of JSON documents. It’s
simple to use in applications, and allows apps to store documents and
synchronise them between machines and devices. U1DB itself is not a database:
instead, it’s an API which can be backed by any database for storage. This
means that you can use U1DB on different platforms, from different languages,
and backed on to different databases, and sync between all of them. It's built
to sync with your own servers or with Ubuntu One.


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Re: can someone explain what is happen on line one from this listing?

2013-05-09 Thread Istimsak Abdulbasir
It seems you have a faulty hard disk.

Istimsak abdulbsir
On May 9, 2013 7:47 AM, Mailbox maill...@ai-t.eu wrote:

 Hello Developer Group,

 can someone explain what is happen on line one from this listing?

 why i loos the interrupt?

 what is the Status 0x50?

 has someone a idea in which Documentation an can finde more informations
 about 0x50?

 May  7 19:39:57 lxhs110a kernel: [316946.812055] ata2: lost interrupt
 (Status 0x50)
 May  7 19:39:57 lxhs110a kernel: [316946.812072] ata2: exception Emask
 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x4405 action 0xf
 May  7 19:39:57 lxhs110a kernel: [316946.812116] ata2: SError: { PHYRdyChg
 CommWake DevExch }
 May  7 19:39:57 lxhs110a kernel: [316946.812156] ata2: hard resetting link
 May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.536038] ata2: SATA link up 1.5
 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 300)
 May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.560823] ata2.00: configured for
 UDMA/133
 May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.560831] end_request: I/O error,
 dev sdb, sector 25141733
 May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.560876] md: super_written gets
 error=-5, uptodate=0
 May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.560880] raid1: Disk failure on
 sdb4, disabling device.
 May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.560881] raid1: Operation
 continuing on 1 devices.
 May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.560962] ata2: EH complete
 May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.595196] RAID1 conf printout:
 May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.595198]  --- wd:1 rd:2
 May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.595201]  disk 0, wo:1, o:0,
 dev:sdb4
 May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.595203]  disk 1, wo:0, o:1,
 dev:sda4
 May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.608009] RAID1 conf printout:
 May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.608011]  --- wd:1 rd:2
 May  7 19:39:58 lxhs110a kernel: [316947.608013]  disk 1, wo:0, o:1,
 dev:sda4

 thanks
 Paulo


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Re: Depends: libfoo:foreign ???

2013-05-09 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 08:43:22AM +0200, Niels Thykier wrote:
 On 2013-05-09 07:56, Paul Wise wrote:
  On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Andreas Beckmann wrote:

  I just noticed that we have the first amd64 package in the archive that
  has dependencies on :i386 qualified libraries:

  Package: teamspeak-client

  It appears that will block it from reaching testing:

 Indeed, Britney does not support those annotations (at the moment?).  To
 avoid issues with this kind of thing, we made her consider such
 dependencies for unsatisfiable[1].
   So for now anything using that form in Depends or Pre-Depends will not
 reach testing (without manual intervention from the Release team and I
 am not sure how likely we are to do that).

Sorry for not knowing the answer to this, but does britney support :any
dependencies?  These don't require any cross-architecture dependency
resolution, but should be satisfiable within each architecture; britney just
needs to support them.

This would let us finally make use of Multi-Arch: allowed in the archive.

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Re: idea: generalized soft dependencies

2013-05-09 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
Hi,

Thank you for comments.

2013-05-09 18:44, David Kalnischkies:
 On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Eugene V. Lyubimkin jac...@debian.org wrote:
  Soft-Depends: a {90%}, b (= 1.2) {20%}, c (= 4) {99%}, c (= 6) {70%}
 
 If we assume its already hard to decide recommends or suggests it will
 be impossible to choose a number between 0 and 100. Basically we are rating
 likelihood of usage here and while the one provided by a will be a
 common one for many, I am not up to the task of deciding if it will be
 used by 90%, 80% or just 70% so naturally numbers will be assigned at
 random, which in turn means as a user I can't say: hey, install if
 = 70/80/90 as it means something different for everyone.

Interesting view. I saw it from exactly opposite direction: one
maintainer sees Recommends as '95%' and another as '60%'. I as
maintainer would have much easier time with writing percents or other
attribute criteries than putting all different stuff into two
categories, YMMV. 70% and 80% are close to each other, true, but 90% and
99% are two different things, and using current rules I'd put both to
Recommends. Many maintainers put 99%-stuff to Depends because users
cannot command disable '90%'-Recommends so they command disable all
Recommends. This is (part of) what I am trying to solve.

tl;dr: I would want to be able to differentiate between, for example,

- install this or your system will break (unless you did special things so it 
does not);
- install this unless you know you'll never need this feature;
- this things is worth installing by default.

  Soft-Depends: iceweasel {50%,tag:desktop}, curl {95%,if_not_installed:wget}
 
 So supposedly on 50% of all desktops iceweasel is installed which can
 in turn be used by the software having this dependency. Great, but I still
 have no idea why 50% installed it and 50% don't.

It was an example of maintainer guessing that half of users of some
software will want also iceweasel installed, provided the computer is
desktop.

 Which 50% group I am part of? The tag desktop might give a hint, but
 such tags need to be defined and carry a meaning. A tag like laptop
 tells me that it will help with powersaving (which would probably be the
 better tag name, as I will like want to install it on my phone too),
 printing is useless if I don't have a printer, online and streaming
 might not be the best ideas if I have no internet connection at all …
 That's a lot harder of course, but caries way more useful information as
 I have no idea how many people don't have their own nuclear power plant,
 highspeed internet or a printer. 30, 50 or 90% ? I might be able to answer
 that in my area (and I would probably still be wrong), but not on a global
 scale.

I don't propose any specific attribute. I propose to have an ability to later
discuss and standardize these attributes.

  Soft-Depends: debdelta {10%,text:to enable automatic delta downloading}
 
 While this solves the why, we have a new problem: Translations
 And these texts are quickly written in a way a user can't use:
 What the hell is a delta? - debian-l10n-english to the rescue!?
[...]

You speak about problems of a specific example attribute. We might use
text: attribute, we might not use is. Unless your point is say that
(all) attributes don't help (and therefore the proposal doesn't make the
situation better), this is not what proposal is about.

 Of course, this doesn't work if wget is used instead of debdelta in the
 example as wget is used by a lot of stuff, but always for the same task:
 So annotating all dependencies on wget with the tag use:downloading just
 feels wrong. And the package wget is already tagged with use:downloading,
 we just don't make proper use of this so far.

Sounds like I had not enough good example if you feel this was about
'use:downloading'. The idea of this example was not to repeat packages
descriptions, but say how the soft dependency will help exactly this
package in question. This one should illustrate better:

libcupt2-0: Soft-Depends: ed (text:to enable downloading PDiffs)

 [...] we should really use the current information we
 already have much more [...]

I kind of disagree here. Currently we have zero dependency-specific
information apart of a) what group of Depends/Recommends/Suggests the
maintainer put the dependency to b) possible free-form explanations in
long descriptions or other package documentation.

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Re: idea: generalized soft dependencies

2013-05-09 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
Hi,

2013-05-09 09:01, Johannes Schauer:
 [...]
 Soft-Depends: a [minthresh:90], b (= 1.2) [minthresh:20], c (= 4) 
 [minthresh:99], c (= 6) [minthresh:70]
 Soft-Depends: iceweasel [minthresh:50 tag:desktop], curl [minthresh:95 
 !installed:wget]

Indeed, this syntax would be just as good.

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Debian development and release: always releasable (essay)

2013-05-09 Thread Lars Wirzenius
This is from Russ Allbery and myself.  See http://wiki.debian.org/Debate
for context, and http://wiki.debian.org/AlwaysReleasableTesting for
the canonical version of this essay. We hope that the readers will take
their time to read this, reflect on it, and then maybe write their own
essay and add it to http://wiki.debian.org/JessieReleaseProcess .
Comments on the wiki or by e-mail are, of course, always welcome.

 - - -

The wheezy freeze has been much too long. At ten months, it's four
months longer than what we've gotten used to in several previous
releases. Had we managed to keep the freeze at six months, it would
still have been too long. I believe there is something wrong in how
we develop Debian, and how we do releases, and that by fixing them,
we can have much shorter releases, with an increase in their quality.

Freezes are long in part because we need to do so much work during
them. Most importantly, we need to fix so many release critical bugs
(RC bugs), that a short freeze is not possible, without drastically
lowering the quality of Debian.

A long freeze is highly frustrating to everyone. It's a very stressful
period for the release team, obviously, but since the freeze affects
all development, even those of our developers who do not care about
the release feel its effects in their development. Our users would
like fresh upstream versions, but that rarely happens in unstable,
and because the freeze is so long, when the release actually happens,
much software seems a bit stale. Upstreams, who would like to get
their software into the hands of users as soon as possible, including
via Debian, are also frustrated.

We should aim for a short freeze, perhaps as short as two weeks,
and certainly not longer than two months. This would remove the
frustration, and fix the other problems related to a long freeze.
However, to achieve a short freeze, we need to change how develop
Debian.

The fundamental change is to start keeping our testing branch
as close to releasable as possible, at all times. For individual
projects, this corresponds to keeping the master or trunk branch
in version control ready to be released. Practitioners of agile
development models, for example, do this quite successfully, by
applying continuous integration, automatic testing, and by having
a development culture that if there's a severe bug in master,
fixing that gets highest priority.

We can do similar things in Debian, and if we do, I believe that we
can keep testing in a releaseable state almost all of the development
cycle between two releases. The minimum necessary changes to achieve
this, in my opinion, are:

* An attitude change: we decide that releases are important, and that
  they're the job of the entire project, not just the release team.
* Keep testing free of RC bugs.
* We should use automatic testing much more extensively, to find
  problems as early as possible.
* We should limit the number of packages we strongly care about for
  a release.

Releases are important
--

Releases are important to many, perhaps most, of our users. Hackers
and hardcore powerusers don't necessarily care about them, of course,
but most others do. A released version of Debian implies that the
operating system works: there's a working installer, for example.
It also implies that all the packages are expected to work together:
there's no transitions going on, for example, that might break
dependencies or reverse dependencies.

A release is important to many users because it means that if they
have to re-install, they will get back the same system they used to
have. Or they can install another computer that will behave the same
way as the first one. This reproducibility is also why enterprises
like them: they can confidently assume that if they install fifty
thousand machines, they'll all be the same. Without this kind of
uniformity, system administration costs, and end-user support costs,
become unmanageable.

But releases are also important for us, as a project. They're an
excellent point to stop and say, we have achieved this, and it is
good. It's a reason for others to have a look at Debian and see that
it is good. This generates a good feeling, which gives us more
motivation to work on Debian.

It's true that we can't expect every Debian developer to care about
making a release. That's OK. We just need the minority who don't care
to not get in the way of the release.

Keep testing free of RC bugs


The RC bug count for the testing branch should be kept low all the
time. Right after a release, by definition, testing is free of RC
bugs. With the current development model, right after the release we
open the floodgates, and large number of new packages and versions
enter testing. The bug count sky-rockets, but we don't care a lot
about that until the next freeze gets closer.  This means testing
is not anywhere near in a releasable condition during most of the
development cycle.

We should, 

Re: Depends: libfoo:foreign ???

2013-05-09 Thread Niels Thykier
On 2013-05-09 21:00, Steve Langasek wrote:
 [...]
 
 Sorry for not knowing the answer to this, but does britney support :any
 dependencies?  These don't require any cross-architecture dependency
 resolution, but should be satisfiable within each architecture; britney just
 needs to support them.
 
 This would let us finally make use of Multi-Arch: allowed in the archive.
 

At the moment, no.  We had her treat pkg:arch as a package name
causing it to always fail (as no package can have colon in their name).
  But feel free to file bugs for it (bonus points if they include tests[1]).

~Niels

[1]
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/britney2-tests.git;a=summary



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Re: DPA instead of PPA

2013-05-09 Thread Steve McIntyre
In article 518b7cf6.3080...@debian.org you write:
On 09/05/13 07:38, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
 bikeshed \o/

You probably meant this to be a comment on the discussion rather than a
suggested name, but until it gets uploaded to unstable, you can get
GNOME 3.8 from the GNOME Team bikeshed actually sounds like a
reasonable sentence to write. :-)

+1 for the bikeshed name. I think it's a *perfect* fit! :-)

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Re: can someone explain what is happen on line one from this listing?

2013-05-09 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 01:45:55PM +0200, Mailbox wrote:
 Hello Developer Group,
 
 can someone explain what is happen on line one from this listing?
[...]

This is off-topic; you should ask on the debian-user list or other
support channel.

Ben.

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Bug#707640: ITP: node-security -- Safely encoding and decoding methods with Node.js

2013-05-09 Thread Mike Gabriel
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Mike Gabriel mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de

* Package name: node-security
  Version : 1.0.0
  Upstream Author : Chad Weider cwei...@oofn.net
* URL : https://github.com/cweider/js-security
* License : Expat
  Programming Lang: Javascript
  Description : Safely encoding and decoding methods with Node.js

 Safely encode/decode HTML, Javascript and CSS data compliant to the standard
 as demanded by the OWASP when using Node.js.


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Re: Debating difficult development issues in essay form

2013-05-09 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 20:45 +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
 This e-mail is jointly from Lars Wirzenius and Russ Allbery.
 The executive summary: We'd like to see more thoughtful debates
 of important Debian development issues, and have created
 http://wiki.debian.org/Debate as a way to encourage them.

A very good initiative. I hope it takes off. Looking forward to the
posts there instead of at debian-devel.



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Bug#707642: ITP: node-node-redis -- Redis client implementation for Node.js

2013-05-09 Thread Mike Gabriel
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Mike Gabriel mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de

* Package name: node-node-redis
  Version : 0.1.6
  Upstream Author : Tim Smart t...@fostle.com
* URL : https://github.com/tim-smart/node-redis
* License : Expat
  Programming Lang: Javascript
  Description : Redis client implementation for Node.js

 Redis is a networked, in-memory, key-value data store with optional durability.
 .
 This module provides Redis client support for Node.js.


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Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2013-05-09 Thread Russ Allbery
Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes:
 On Mon, 06 May 2013, Joerg Jaspert wrote:

 Nah, the webinterface just should end up like the DAM webinterface: You
 do whatever you need, then click a button - and voila, there is
 everything ready to copy/paste into a MUA. Send with sig, done.

 Why? This is just a band-aid and not what I would call a web interface.
 And except lazyness I don't see a good reason for that. Web interfaces
 can be secure (and with an audit trail in case of breach). After all we
 can manage our Debian passwords over a web interface...

That level of security isn't great, though.  GPG keys are much more secure
than that password.  What we would want for equivalent security in a web
interface is personal X.509 certificates.

I think it would be interesting to have that infrastructure in place, but
someone would need to build it (probably with some mechanism to bootstrap
GPG keys into X.509 certificates -- and be careful of expiration times and
figure out a good way to deal with revocation).

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Re: Debian development and release: always releasable (essay)

2013-05-09 Thread Vincent Bernat
 ❦  9 mai 2013 21:49 CEST, Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi :

 * Remove RC buggy packages sooner rather than later. An RC buggy
   package should be removed at soon as possible: when the bug
   is identified, allow a bit of time for the bug to be verified
   (was it actually an RC bug?), but after that, remove the package
   from testing, preferably automatically.  If the package has
   reverse dependencies, remove those as well. This keeps testing
   releasable. The removed package can and will re-enter testing once
   it gets fixed.

I think that's a very good idea. A threshold on the number of source
packages that can be removed from testing due to an RC bug could be
something like 10. The release team should be entitled to delay the
removal if the bug is quite complex.

I think that the other things you propose are too complicated:

 A package that is not included in one or more of the reference
 installations is a package we want to include in the release, but we
 will not delay the release for its sake. We should have a low threshold
 for removing such a package from testing: it could perhaps even be
 removed automatically one week after an RC bug is filed against it
 (assuming the bug affects the version in testing).

If a package is important, an RC bug will get noticed and someone will
step to fix the RC bug or ask for a delay. This avoids unnecessary
debate on what is important and what is not and people fighting to get
their packages in the right list.

 Tests for running reference installation might include the following:

 * Basic networking setup works: System responds to ping from the outside.
 * Mail server responds appropriate on the SMTP, submission, IMAPS, and POPS
   ports.
 * LAMP server responds on the HTTP and HTTPS ports.
 * A desktop system that automatically logs in a test user has the right
   processes running, and can start some common applications.
 * In each case, it's possible to log in remotely with ssh and run
   sudo apt-get install hello.

Many people run unstable and a bug that would fail those kind of tests
would get immediatly noticed and many bug reports are usually opened at
once for each of those bugs. Maybe those tests would catch them one hour
earlier but is it worth spending time to conceive those tests?

 These are trivial, even simplistic tests. However, if they pass, we know
 that at least the basic, fundamental things in the system are not horribly
 broken: networking, system administration, and the software that is meant
 to start in that reference installation. Furthermore, we know that the
 debian-installer works. That's a good foundation for further hacking.

Maybe the installer is less daily tested but did we already have a major
bug (one that does not pass the test you described) gone unnoticed?
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Re: New version of libselinux makes libpcre3 pseudo-essential

2013-05-09 Thread Russ Allbery
Игорь Пашев pashev.i...@gmail.com writes:

 Will it change anything except non-linux systems will get libpcre3 by
 default, while do not need it?

 Maybe make libselinux optional? ;-)

windlord:~ apt-cache rdepends libselinux1 | tail
  libglib2.0-0
  gdm3
  dump
  dpkg
  dmraid
  dbus-1-dbg
  dbus
  cron
  coreutils
  aide-dynamic

No.  :)

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Bug#707643: ITP: python-grokmirror -- Framework to smartly mirror git repositories

2013-05-09 Thread Adrian Alves
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Adrian Alves aal...@gmail.com

* Package name: python-grokmirror
  Version : 0.3
  Upstream Author : Konstantin Ryabitsev mri...@kernel.org
* URL : https://git.kernel.org/cgit/utils/grokmirror/grokmirror.git
* License : GPL
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : Framework to smartly mirror git repositories

Grokmirror was written to make mirroring large git repository
collections more efficient. Grokmirror uses the manifest file published
by the master mirror in order to figure out which repositories to
clone, and to track which repositories require updating. The process is
extremely lightweight and efficient both for the master and for the
mirrors.


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Re: Debian development and release: always releasable (essay)

2013-05-09 Thread Russ Allbery
Vincent Bernat ber...@debian.org writes:
  ❦  9 mai 2013 21:49 CEST, Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi :

 A package that is not included in one or more of the reference
 installations is a package we want to include in the release, but we
 will not delay the release for its sake. We should have a low threshold
 for removing such a package from testing: it could perhaps even be
 removed automatically one week after an RC bug is filed against it
 (assuming the bug affects the version in testing).

 If a package is important, an RC bug will get noticed and someone will
 step to fix the RC bug or ask for a delay. This avoids unnecessary
 debate on what is important and what is not and people fighting to get
 their packages in the right list.

Personally, I think it's important to be more transparent and systematic
about how we designate packages as important or not important; it will add
clarity and it will let us be more efficient and encourage people to be
bold.  The fact of the matter is that we already have those distinctions:
we will remove random leaf packages from testing as soon as the release
gets close, but we're not going to remove cron or bash.  But the
distinctions are fuzzy and require people to make (and then argue about)
judgement calls.  We can't eliminate the arguments entirely, but I think
we can approach the process in a cleaner way that will require less
constant debate.

Package sets for critical purposes are useful in their own right.  They
make it clear why a package is important (and also why it may *cease* to
be important), and they also provide a basis for automated testing.

Personally, I'd be inclined to unify optional and extra (which at this
point don't really represent a meaningful difference) and possibly even
further simplify our use of priorities (it's not clear to me that standard
is really buying us anything any more), replacing most of that with
package sets for key use cases that we want to support.

One interesting possibly that this would also open up (and please
understand that I don't know if this would happen and I'm not positive
that it's a good idea; I'm just throwing it out there) is that the teams
who most care about a particular reference package set could also do some
of the release management duties for that package set.  For example,
suppose we had a LAMP team of experts in that package set.  Could they
possibly take on, not just maintaining the list of packages, but doing
freeze reviews and transition coordination for transitions that are
contained within that set?

To some extent, the desktop packaging groups (GNOME, KDE, etc.) already do
some of this for those desktop environments, and I think that's quite
helpful and might be useful to formalize further.

 Many people run unstable and a bug that would fail those kind of tests
 would get immediatly noticed and many bug reports are usually opened at
 once for each of those bugs. Maybe those tests would catch them one hour
 earlier but is it worth spending time to conceive those tests?

Yes, absolutely.  Because when you have the tests, it opens up all sorts
of possibilities for automation.  For example, you could, in the future,
put newly-uploaded packages in a holding area until the tests pass and not
allow them into the archive until they do.

Breakage bugs in unstable are very valuable, but they also represent
*breakage* and take someone's time and attention to write up.  Anything we
can catch on an automated basis saves precious human resources.

 These are trivial, even simplistic tests. However, if they pass, we
 know that at least the basic, fundamental things in the system are not
 horribly broken: networking, system administration, and the software
 that is meant to start in that reference installation. Furthermore, we
 know that the debian-installer works. That's a good foundation for
 further hacking.

 Maybe the installer is less daily tested but did we already have a major
 bug (one that does not pass the test you described) gone unnoticed?

We've had system-breaking bugs in core packages like libc6 enter the
archive in the past.  They don't make it through to testing, no, but they
do take up people's time and attention in unstable, and it's all more
resources that we can't spend on other things that are more useful.  And,
over time, the tests can become more sophisticated.  That's the great part
about building a testing framework: once you have a good framework in
place, it becomes much easier to add more tests, and you can build
something like Lintian (which is now quite extensive) from a modest
beginning.

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Bug#707656: ITP: node-node-dequeue -- Simple Double Ended Queue Datastructure for Node.js

2013-05-09 Thread Mike Gabriel
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Mike Gabriel mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de

* Package name: node-node-dequeue
  Version : 1.0.3
  Upstream Author : Sean (lleo) M. Egan lle...@gmail.com
* URL : https://github.com/lleo/node-dequeue
* License : BSD-2-clause
  Programming Lang: Javascript
  Description : Simple Double Ended Queue Datastructure for Node.js

 Dequeue is implemented as a doubly linked circular list with a titular
 head node--an empty node to designate the beginning and the end of the
 circularly linked list.
 .
 It is a drop-in replacement for javascript-arrays-as-fifo.


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Work-needing packages report for May 10, 2013

2013-05-09 Thread wnpp
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested
through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the
last week.

Total number of orphaned packages: 512 (new: 9)
Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 139 (new: 5)
Total number of packages requested help for: 64 (new: 3)

Please refer to http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ for more information.



The following packages have been orphaned:

   elilo (#707112), orphaned 2 days ago
 Description: Bootloader for systems using EFI-based firmware
 Reverse Depends: bootcd-ia64
 Installations reported by Popcon: 141

   hsqldb (#707122), orphaned 2 days ago
 Reverse Depends: biomaj entagged eucalyptus-java-common
   hsqldb-server hsqldb-utils libbiojava1.7-java libbiojava3.0-java
   libhsqldb-java-gcj libopenjpa-java libreoffice-base (3 more omitted)
 Installations reported by Popcon: 71234

   ko.tex (#707573), orphaned today
 Description: Korean TeX: Core macros
 Reverse Depends: ko.tex
 Installations reported by Popcon: 25

   ko.tex-extra-hlfont (#707574), orphaned today
 Description: Korean TeX: Extra HLaTeX fonts
 Installations reported by Popcon: 3275

   ko.tex-unfonts (#707575), orphaned today
 Description: Korean TeX: Base fonts
 Reverse Depends: ko.tex
 Installations reported by Popcon: 37

   libapache-mod-layout (#707149), orphaned 2 days ago
 Description: Apache web page content wrapper
 Installations reported by Popcon: 51

   libapache-mod-random (#707143), orphaned 2 days ago
 Description: Create random ads, quotes and redirects
 Installations reported by Popcon: 20

   sampleicc (#707334), orphaned today
 Reverse Depends: libicc-utils-dev libsampleicc-dev sampleicc-tools
 Installations reported by Popcon: 70

   ttf-alee (#707576), orphaned today
 Description: free Hangul TrueType fonts
 Reverse Depends: sdl-ball-data
 Installations reported by Popcon: 1190

503 older packages have been omitted from this listing, see
http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned for a complete list.



The following packages have been given up for adoption:

   ant-phone (#707572), offered today
 Description: An interactive ISDN telephone application
 Installations reported by Popcon: 12

   dawgdic (#706886), offered 4 days ago
 Description: C++ library for DAWG dictionaries
 Installations reported by Popcon: 9

   libb64 (#706894), offered 4 days ago
 Description: base64 encoding/decoding library
 Reverse Depends: libb64-dev
 Installations reported by Popcon: 6

   python-dawg (#706887), offered 4 days ago
 Description: Python library for DAWG dictionaries
 Installations reported by Popcon: 1

   sentinella (#707649), offered today
 Description: System monitor that can react to user chosen conditions
 Installations reported by Popcon: 134

134 older packages have been omitted from this listing, see
http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/rfa_bypackage for a complete list.



For the following packages help is requested:

[NEW] openmx (#706711), requested 6 days ago
 Installations reported by Popcon: 178

[NEW] openni2 (#707056), requested 2 days ago
 Description: Debian package for openni version 2 software from
   OpenNi.org

[NEW] parmetis (#706710), requested 6 days ago (non-free)
 Reverse Depends: libparmetis-dev libsuitesparse-metis-3.1.0
   libsuitesparse-metis-dbg libsuitesparse-metis-dev parmetis-test
 Installations reported by Popcon: 218

   apt-xapian-index (#567955), requested 1193 days ago
 Description: maintenance tools for a Xapian index of Debian packages
 Reverse Depends: ept-cache fuss-launcher goplay packagesearch
 Installations reported by Popcon: 79336

   asymptote (#517342), requested 1532 days ago
 Description: script-based vector graphics language inspired by
   MetaPost
 Installations reported by Popcon: 4821

   athcool (#278442), requested 3117 days ago
 Description: Enable powersaving mode for Athlon/Duron processors
 Installations reported by Popcon: 66

   balsa (#642906), requested 592 days ago
 Description: An e-mail client for GNOME
 Reverse Depends: balsa-dbg
 Installations reported by Popcon: 932

   bastille (#592137), requested 1006 days ago
 Description: Security hardening tool
 Installations reported by Popcon: 188

   cardstories (#624100), requested 745 days ago
 Description: Find out a card using a sentence made up by another
   player
 Installations reported by Popcon: 9

   chromium-browser (#583826), requested 1075 days ago
 Description: Chromium browser
 Reverse Depends: chromium chromium-browser chromium-browser-dbg
   

Re: DPA instead of PPA

2013-05-09 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 09 May 2013, Steve McIntyre wrote:
 In article 518b7cf6.3080...@debian.org you write:
 On 09/05/13 07:38, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
  bikeshed \o/
 
 You probably meant this to be a comment on the discussion rather than a
 suggested name, but until it gets uploaded to unstable, you can get
 GNOME 3.8 from the GNOME Team bikeshed actually sounds like a
 reasonable sentence to write. :-)
 
 +1 for the bikeshed name. I think it's a *perfect* fit! :-)

At least for PPAEXT, it really fits...

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  where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
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Re: Current and upcoming toolchain changes for jessie

2013-05-09 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On 09/05/2013 06:06, Florian Weimer wrote:
 I mistyped, I meant ABI.  I'm deeply sorry about that, it mangles my
 statement quite badly.
 
 AFAIK, this is the major reason why the C++11 support is still marked
 as experimental.

C++ never had a set ABI in the standard. It's up to compiler/toolchain/library
writers to ensure that there aren't ABI breakages. Considering that you still
link against the same libstdc++.so.6 regardless of whether or not you use C++11
features, I don't see how avoiding C++11 features will avoid triggering a
mass-rebuild in the event of an ABI break in libstdc++6.

 std::string, std::list and probably std::shared_ptr will have to
 change ABI at some point.

When that happens, it'll probably be namespaced somehow, because the C++98
std::{string,list,shared_ptr}'s will still have to stay. Then C++11 programs
compiled against older libstdc++ will just continue to use the C++98
std::{string,list,shared_ptr} and remain binary-compatible. No recompilation
required there.

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Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2013-05-09 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 4:33 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:

 That level of security isn't great, though.  GPG keys are much more secure
 than that password.  What we would want for equivalent security in a web
 interface is personal X.509 certificates.

 I think it would be interesting to have that infrastructure in place, but
 someone would need to build it (probably with some mechanism to bootstrap
 GPG keys into X.509 certificates -- and be careful of expiration times and
 figure out a good way to deal with revocation).

That mechanism already exists (and supports SSH too):

http://web.monkeysphere.info/

The monkeysphere developers are Debian folks and have discussed
monkeysphere with DSA at various DebConfs.

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Re: New version of libselinux makes libpcre3 pseudo-essential

2013-05-09 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 4:38 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:
 Игорь Пашев writes:

 Will it change anything except non-linux systems will get libpcre3 by
 default, while do not need it?

 Maybe make libselinux optional? ;-)

 windlord:~ apt-cache rdepends libselinux1 | tail
...
 No.  :)

Since it is Linux-specific, it is already optional on kFreeBSD so
there is probably nothing for Игорь Пашев to do on his Debian and
Solaris based system.

pabs@asdfasdf:~$ apt-cache rdepends libselinux1
libselinux1

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Re: DPA instead of PPA

2013-05-09 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, May 09, 2013 at 08:38:02AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
 Hi,
 
 On Wed, 08 May 2013, Holger Levsen wrote:
  I actually really like this idea! (Though I suggest Debian Personal 
  Archive.)
  
  It's really different from what people know as PPAs.
 
 To be fair, Personal is probably not relevant either. I expect many of
 those repositories to be maintained by teams.
 
 DSPA = Debian Special Purpose Archive
 DSPR = Debian Special Purpose Repository
 DASP = Debian Archive of Special Packages
 SPA = Special Package Archive

Hi all,

Fist of all, many thanks to Joerg and the FTP team to push this project
forward.  I find it exciting and innovative and I like that it is not simply
reproducing Ubuntu's PPAs, but rather aims at providing a direct benefit to
Debian's development in general.  For this reason, I also recommend to avoid
using PPA in the name.

About the names discussed by Raphael and others, I also think that personal
does not reflect well the goals suggested for PPAMAIN.  Keywords like
Special, Project, etc., sound to me more to the point.

For SPA in particular, I think that would trigger puns in French, as is the
name of a society that, among others, takes care of abandonned animals.

Also, since PPAMAIN will be embedded in the Debian archive, maybe there is no
need to repeat Debian in its name.

I also would like to recommend to call these repositories in a way that shows
directly how they are integrated in the archive.  For instance distribution
if it is one more entry in /dists, and area or pool if it is one more
entry in /pool.

Have a nice day,

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PS: the bikeshed of the building where I live was repainted last year, and I
did not propose a new color :)


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Accepted pcre-ocaml 7.0.2-2 (source amd64)

2013-05-09 Thread Stéphane Glondu
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Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 08:19:33 +0200
Source: pcre-ocaml
Binary: libpcre-ocaml libpcre-ocaml-dev
Architecture: source amd64
Version: 7.0.2-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian OCaml Maintainers debian-ocaml-ma...@lists.debian.org
Changed-By: Stéphane Glondu glo...@debian.org
Description: 
 libpcre-ocaml - OCaml bindings for PCRE (runtime)
 libpcre-ocaml-dev - OCaml bindings for PCRE (Perl Compatible Regular 
Expression)
Changes: 
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 .
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Accepted fonts-tlwg 1:0.5.1-2 (source all)

2013-05-09 Thread Theppitak Karoonboonyanan
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Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 12:52:19 +0700
Source: fonts-tlwg
Binary: fonts-tlwg-kinnari fonts-tlwg-garuda fonts-tlwg-norasi fonts-tlwg-loma 
fonts-tlwg-mono fonts-tlwg-typewriter fonts-tlwg-typist fonts-tlwg-typo 
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fonts-thai-tlwg fonts-thai-tlwg-udeb latex-fonts-thai-tlwg ttf-thai-tlwg
Architecture: source all
Version: 1:0.5.1-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Theppitak Karoonboonyanan t...@debian.org
Changed-By: Theppitak Karoonboonyanan t...@debian.org
Description: 
 fonts-thai-tlwg - Thai fonts maintained by TLWG (meta package)
 fonts-thai-tlwg-udeb - Thai fonts in TrueType format for D-I use (udeb)
 fonts-tlwg-garuda - Thai Garuda font
 fonts-tlwg-kinnari - Thai Kinnari font
 fonts-tlwg-loma - Thai Loma font
 fonts-tlwg-mono - Thai TlwgMono font
 fonts-tlwg-norasi - Thai Norasi font
 fonts-tlwg-purisa - Thai Purisa font
 fonts-tlwg-sawasdee - Thai Sawasdee font
 fonts-tlwg-typewriter - Thai TlwgTypewriter font
 fonts-tlwg-typist - Thai TlwgTypist font
 fonts-tlwg-typo - Thai TlwgTypo font
 fonts-tlwg-umpush - Thai Umpush font
 fonts-tlwg-waree - Thai Waree font
 latex-fonts-thai-tlwg - Thai fonts for LaTeX from TLWG
 ttf-thai-tlwg - transitional dummy package
Changes: 
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 .
   * Declare Multi-Arch: foreign for all binary debs.
   * Upload to unstable.
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Accepted lightproof 1.5+git20121204-3 (source all)

2013-05-09 Thread Rene Engelhard
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 00:51:39 +0200
Source: lightproof
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Architecture: source all
Version: 1.5+git20121204-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian LibreOffice Maintainers debian-openoff...@lists.debian.org
Changed-By: Rene Engelhard r...@debian.org
Description: 
 libreoffice-lightproof-en - Lightproof grammar checker for LibreOffice 
(English)
 libreoffice-lightproof-hu - Lightproof grammar checker for LibreOffice 
(Hungarian)
 libreoffice-lightproof-ru-ru - Lightproof grammar checker for LibreOffice 
(Russian)
Changes: 
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 .
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Accepted sampleicc 1.6.4-2 (source amd64)

2013-05-09 Thread Rene Engelhard
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Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 00:31:47 +0200
Source: sampleicc
Binary: libsampleicc-dev libsampleicc2 libicc-utils-dev libicc-utils2 
sampleicc-tools
Architecture: source amd64
Version: 1.6.4-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian QA Group packa...@qa.debian.org
Changed-By: Rene Engelhard r...@debian.org
Description: 
 libicc-utils-dev - ICC profiles i/o and manipulating library and CMM -- 
utility libr
 libicc-utils2 - ICC profiles i/o and manipulating library and CMM -- utility 
libr
 libsampleicc-dev - ICC profiles i/o and manipulating library and CMM -- 
development
 libsampleicc2 - ICC profiles i/o and manipulating library and CMM
 sampleicc-tools - ICC profiles i/o and manipulating library and CMM -- tools
Changes: 
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 .
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Accepted alsa-lib 1.0.27-3 (source amd64 all)

2013-05-09 Thread Jordi Mallach
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Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 09:59:00 +0200
Source: alsa-lib
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Architecture: source amd64 all
Version: 1.0.27-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian ALSA Maintainers pkg-alsa-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Jordi Mallach jo...@debian.org
Description: 
 libasound2 - shared library for ALSA applications
 libasound2-dbg - debugging symbols for libasound2
 libasound2-dev - shared library for ALSA applications -- development files
 libasound2-doc - documentation for user-space ALSA application programming
 libasound2-udeb - shared library for ALSA applications (udeb) (udeb)
Changes: 
 alsa-lib (1.0.27-3) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Brown paper bag: use override_dh_auto_build-indep and
 dh_auto_install-indep to handle doxygen docs, to correctly avoid
 building docs on binary-arch-only builds. Thanks to Adam Conrad
 for the suggestion.
   * Pass --disable-static to configure.
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Accepted blobby 1.0~rc3-2 (source amd64 all)

2013-05-09 Thread Felix Geyer
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Version: 1.0~rc3-2
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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Games Team pkg-games-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Felix Geyer fge...@debian.org
Description: 
 blobby - Volleyball game with blobs
 blobby-data - Volleyball game with blobs (data files)
 blobby-server - Volleyball game with blobs (server)
Changes: 
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 .
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Accepted cairosvg 0.5-1 (source all)

2013-05-09 Thread Michael Fladischer
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Version: 0.5-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Python Modules Team 
python-modules-t...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Michael Fladischer fladischermich...@fladi.at
Description: 
 python-cairosvg - SVG to PDF/PS/PNG converter based on Cairo
 python3-cairosvg - SVG to PDF/PS/PNG converter based on Cairo (Python3 library)
Closes: 707425
Changes: 
 cairosvg (0.5-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   [ Michael Fladischer ]
   * New upstream release (Closes: #707425).
   * Bump Standards Version to 3.9.4.
   * Update year in d/copyright.
 .
   [ Jakub Wilk ]
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Accepted colorhug-client 0.2.0-2 (source amd64)

2013-05-09 Thread Michal Čihař
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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Michal Čihař ni...@debian.org
Changed-By: Michal Čihař ni...@debian.org
Description: 
 colorhug-client - Tools for the Hughski Colorimeter
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 .
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Accepted fonts-sil-padauk 2.80-2 (source all)

2013-05-09 Thread Christian Perrier
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Source: fonts-sil-padauk
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Architecture: source all
Version: 2.80-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Fonts Task Force pkg-fonts-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Christian Perrier bubu...@debian.org
Description: 
 fonts-sil-padauk - smart Unicode font for languages in Myanmar
 fonts-sil-padauk-udeb - Debian-Installer font for the Burmese language (udeb)
Closes: 707120
Changes: 
 fonts-sil-padauk (2.80-2) unstable; urgency=low
 .
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   * Bump debhelper compatibility to 9
   * Drop ttf-sil-padauk transitional package
   * Add Multi-Arch: foreign field
   * Add Breaks and Replaces to better transition after package
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   * Use git for packaging: adapt Vcs-* fields
   * Use machine-readable copyright format 1.0
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   * Replace libgraphite-2.0.0 by libgraphite2-3 in Suggests
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Accepted fonts-sipa-arundina 0.2.0-6 (source all)

2013-05-09 Thread Theppitak Karoonboonyanan
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Architecture: source all
Version: 0.2.0-6
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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Theppitak Karoonboonyanan t...@debian.org
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Description: 
 fonts-sipa-arundina - Thai DejaVu-compatible fonts
 latex-fonts-sipa-arundina - Thai DejaVu-compatible fonts for LaTeX
 ttf-thai-arundina - transitional dummy package
Changes: 
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 .
   * Update LaTeX documentation location.
 - Install texmf doc links under /usr/share/texmf/doc instead of
   /usr/share/doc/texmf, according to tex-common 4.0 change.
 - B-Dp on tex-common (= 4.01), for proper misc-Depends generation.
   * debian/copyright: Update years.
   * Declare Multi-Arch: foreign for all font packages.
   * Bump Standards-Version to 3.9.4 (no changes needed)
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Accepted gnome-sushi 0.4.1-4 (source amd64)

2013-05-09 Thread Simon McVittie
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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Simon McVittie s...@debian.org
Description: 
 gnome-sushi - sushi is a quick previewer for nautilus
Closes: 707394
Changes: 
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 .
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Accepted ifrit 3.3.4-4 (source i386)

2013-05-09 Thread Colin Watson
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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian QA Group packa...@qa.debian.org
Changed-By: Colin Watson cjwat...@debian.org
Description: 
 ifrit  - powerful tool for visualizing 3-dimensional data sets
Changes: 
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 .
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 .
   [ Ilya Barygin ]
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Accepted logfs-tools 20121013-1 (source amd64)

2013-05-09 Thread Luk Claes
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Maintainer: Filesystems Group filesystems-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Luk Claes l...@debian.org
Description: 
 logfs-tools - Tools to manage logfs filesystems
 logfs-tools-dbg - Tools to manage logfs filesystems (debug)
Changes: 
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 .
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Accepted openssh 1:6.2p1-2 (source i386 all)

2013-05-09 Thread Colin Watson
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Source: openssh
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openssh-client-udeb openssh-server-udeb
Architecture: source i386 all
Version: 1:6.2p1-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian OpenSSH Maintainers debian-...@lists.debian.org
Changed-By: Colin Watson cjwat...@debian.org
Description: 
 openssh-client - secure shell (SSH) client, for secure access to remote 
machines
 openssh-client-udeb - secure shell client for the Debian installer (udeb)
 openssh-server - secure shell (SSH) server, for secure access from remote 
machines
 openssh-server-udeb - secure shell server for the Debian installer (udeb)
 ssh- secure shell client and server (metapackage)
 ssh-askpass-gnome - interactive X program to prompt users for a passphrase for 
ssh-ad
 ssh-krb5   - secure shell client and server (transitional package)
Changes: 
 openssh (1:6.2p1-2) unstable; urgency=low
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Accepted puppet-lint 0.3.2-2 (source all)

2013-05-09 Thread Stig Sandbeck Mathisen
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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Puppet Package Maintainers 
pkg-puppet-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Stig Sandbeck Mathisen s...@debian.org
Description: 
 puppet-lint - check puppet manifests for style guide conformity
Changes: 
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 .
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Accepted purple-plugin-pack 2.7.0-2 (source amd64)

2013-05-09 Thread Felix Geyer
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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Felix Geyer fge...@debian.org
Changed-By: Felix Geyer fge...@debian.org
Description: 
 pidgin-plugin-pack - Collection of Pidgin plugins
Changes: 
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 .
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Accepted drc 3.2.1~dfsg0-1 (source amd64)

2013-05-09 Thread Jaromír Mikeš
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 3.2.1~dfsg0-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Multimedia Maintainers 
pkg-multimedia-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Jaromír Mikeš mira.mi...@seznam.cz
Description: 
 drc- digital room correction
Changes: 
 drc (3.2.1~dfsg0-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   [ Jaromír Mikeš ]
   * Set dh/compat 9
   * Fix VCS canonical URLs.
 .
   [ Alessio Treglia ]
   * New upstream release
   * Remove DM-Upload-Allowed field, not needed anymore.
   * Refresh patches, properly set CFLAGS,LDFLAGS in the makefile.
   * Refresh 01-makefile.patch, partially applied upstream.
   * Remove myself from the Uploaders field.
   * wrap-and-sort -a -s
   * Bump Standards.
   * Update copyright and licensing information.
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Accepted grub2 2.00-14 (source i386)

2013-05-09 Thread Colin Watson
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Source: grub2
Binary: grub2 grub-linuxbios grub-efi grub-common grub2-common grub-emu 
grub-emu-dbg grub-pc-bin grub-pc-dbg grub-pc grub-rescue-pc grub-coreboot-bin 
grub-coreboot-dbg grub-coreboot grub-efi-ia32-bin grub-efi-ia32-dbg 
grub-efi-ia32 grub-efi-amd64-bin grub-efi-amd64-dbg grub-efi-amd64 
grub-efi-ia64-bin grub-efi-ia64-dbg grub-efi-ia64 grub-ieee1275-bin 
grub-ieee1275-dbg grub-ieee1275 grub-firmware-qemu grub-yeeloong-bin 
grub-yeeloong-dbg grub-yeeloong grub-theme-starfield grub-mount-udeb
Architecture: source i386
Version: 2.00-14
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: GRUB Maintainers pkg-grub-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Colin Watson cjwat...@debian.org
Description: 
 grub-common - GRand Unified Bootloader (common files)
 grub-coreboot - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (Coreboot version)
 grub-coreboot-bin - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (Coreboot binaries)
 grub-coreboot-dbg - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (Coreboot debug files)
 grub-efi   - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (dummy package)
 grub-efi-amd64 - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (EFI-AMD64 version)
 grub-efi-amd64-bin - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (EFI-AMD64 binaries)
 grub-efi-amd64-dbg - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (EFI-AMD64 debug 
files)
 grub-efi-ia32 - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (EFI-IA32 version)
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 grub-efi-ia32-dbg - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (EFI-IA32 debug files)
 grub-efi-ia64 - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (IA64 version)
 grub-efi-ia64-bin - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (IA64 binaries)
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 grub-emu   - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (emulated version)
 grub-emu-dbg - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (emulated debug files)
 grub-firmware-qemu - GRUB firmware image for QEMU
 grub-ieee1275 - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (Open Firmware version)
 grub-ieee1275-bin - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (Open Firmware 
binaries)
 grub-ieee1275-dbg - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (Open Firmware debug 
files)
 grub-linuxbios - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (dummy package)
 grub-mount-udeb - export GRUB filesystems using FUSE (udeb)
 grub-pc- GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (PC/BIOS version)
 grub-pc-bin - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (PC/BIOS binaries)
 grub-pc-dbg - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (PC/BIOS debug files)
 grub-rescue-pc - GRUB bootable rescue images, version 2 (PC/BIOS version)
 grub-theme-starfield - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (starfield theme)
 grub-yeeloong - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (Yeeloong version)
 grub-yeeloong-bin - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (Yeeloong binaries)
 grub-yeeloong-dbg - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (Yeeloong debug files)
 grub2  - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (dummy package)
 grub2-common - GRand Unified Bootloader (common files for version 2)
Closes: 698914 703539 705636
Changes: 
 grub2 (2.00-14) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Merge from Ubuntu:
 - Don't call update-grub in the zz-update-grub kernel hook if
   /boot/grub/grub.cfg doesn't exist.
 - acpihalt: expand parser to handle SSDTs and some more opcodes.  Fixes
   test suite hang with current seabios.
   * Remove kernel-specific grub.d conffiles that were dropped from packages
 built for all but their corresponding kernel type in 1.96+20090307-1
 (closes: #703539).
   * Look for grub-bios-setup in /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/ as well (closes:
 #705636).
   * Merge 1.99-27.1 (thanks, Steve McIntyre):
 - Add entries for Windows Boot Manager found via UEFI in os-prober
   (closes: #698914).
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Accepted gtypist 2.9.2-1 (source amd64)

2013-05-09 Thread Daniel Leidert
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Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 11:49:19 +0200
Source: gtypist
Binary: gtypist
Architecture: source amd64
Version: 2.9.2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Ben Armstrong sy...@sanctuary.nslug.ns.ca
Changed-By: Daniel Leidert dleid...@debian.org
Description: 
 gtypist- simple ncurses touch typing tutor
Changes: 
 gtypist (2.9.2-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream release.
   * debian/control: Dropped DM-Upload-Allowed.
 (Standards-Version): Bumped to 3.9.4.
   * debian/gtypist.lintian-overrides: Drop unused override unusual-interpreter.
   * debian/rules: Enable hardening flags for build.
   * debian/patches/220581_gtypist_vim_support.patch: Updated.
   * debian/patches/695777_update_info_doc.patch: Dropped.
   * debian/patches/debian_hardening.patch: Added.
 - Fix an FTBFS enabling hardening flags.
   * debian/patches/series: Adjusted.
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