Re: Handling Japanese new era "令和 (Reiwa)"

[Hideki Yamane]

On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 10:32:54 +0100
Alastair McKinstry  wrote:
> unicode-data in Buster is currently at 11.0.0; there being a major  
> release upstream 12.0.0 just after Buster freeze.
> 
> I've uploaded 12.0.0 to unstable; 12.1 is not officially released yet.  
> unicode-data itself is small and easy to validate, but the following  
> packages will need to be rebuilt as they build-depend on unicode-data  
> (and typically hard-code the tables internally):
> 
>   * ibus
>   * node-unicode-tr51
>   * julia
>   * node-unicode-property-aliases
>   * node-unicode-property-value-aliases
>   * cyrus-imapd
>   * libxmlada
>   * courier-unicode
>   * node-unicode-property-aliases-ecmascript
>   * *wine*
>   * *slang2*
>   * re2
>   * fntsample
>   * console-data
>   * wine-development
>   * utf8proc
>   * node-unicode-property-value-aliases-ecmascript
>   * gucharmap
>   * node-unicode-data
>   * fonttools
>   * wcwidth
>   * jing-trang

 Thanks Alastair, it's not good way to rebuild all the packages you've
 mentioned, IMO. How about just adding "令和 (Reiwa)" data diff between
 12.0 and 12.1 and push it later?
 

-- 
Hideki Yamane 

Accepted gcc-mingw-w64 21.2 (source) into unstable

[Stephen Kitt]

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Closes: 923214 925172
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[Mo Zhou]

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[Mo Zhou]

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Accepted mozc 2.23.2815.102+dfsg-4 (source amd64 all) into unstable

[Nobuhiro Iwamatsu]

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Accepted node-is-reference 1.1.2-1 (source all) into unstable

[Julien Puydt]

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Changed-By: Julien Puydt 
Description:
 node-is-reference - Node.js code to determine whether an AST node is a 
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Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 

Changed-By: Simon McVittie 
Closes: 909536
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[Josue Ortega]

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Closes: 925003
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   * Remove debian/source compression options.
   * Bump Standards-Version to 4.3.0:
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Maintainer: Debian Multimedia Maintainers 
Changed-By: Reinhard Tartler 
Closes: 926961 926963
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Re: Introducting Debian Trends: historical graphs about Debian packaging practices, and "packages smells"

[Marco d'Itri]

On Apr 13, Lucas Nussbaum  wrote:

> TL;DR: see https://trends.debian.net and
Nice.

I suggest to add a graph detailing:
- packages with at least one init script
- packages with at least one systemd unit
- packages with at least one init script and one systemd unit

Also, did I miss the memo about traditional debhelper being superseded 
by dh? Why should I switch?

-- 
ciao,
Marco


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Accepted libnanoxml2-java 2.2.3.dfsg-7 (source) into unstable

[Jochen Sprickerhof]

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[Thomas Goirand]

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[Giovanni Mascellani]

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Maintainer: Debian/Kubuntu Qt/KDE Maintainers 
Changed-By: Giovanni Mascellani 
Closes: 915319
Changes:
 kde-runtime (4:17.08.3-2.1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Non-maintainer upload.
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Re: Bug#926951: ITP: python3-git-archive-all -- Archive repository with all its submodules

[Scott Kitterman]

On Saturday, April 13, 2019 10:03:23 PM Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 4/12/19 7:31 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > On Friday, April 12, 2019 01:08:26 PM Mark A. Hershberger wrote:
> >> Package: wnpp
> >> Owner: Mark A. Hershberger 
> >> Severity: wishlist
> >> 
> >>  Package name: python3-git-archive-all
> >>  Version : 1.19.4
> >>  Upstream Author : Ilya Kulakov 
> >>  URL or Web page : https://github.com/Kentzo/git-archive-all
> >>  License : MIT
> >>  Description : Archive repository with all its submodules
> > 
> > I'd suggest git-archive-all be the package name.  The fact that's it's
> > written in python looks like an implementation detail.
> > 
> > Scott K
> 
> And also, having "python3" in the name doesn't seem sensitive. We've
> been using "python-foo" as source package names, and IMO we should
> continue to do so, even for python3 packages.

This is an application, not a python (or python3) module.  If it was a module, 
then I'd agree.  For applications, then language is an implementation detail 
that needn't be exposed in the name.

Scott K

Re: Bug#926951: ITP: python3-git-archive-all -- Archive repository with all its submodules

[Thomas Goirand]

On 4/12/19 7:31 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Friday, April 12, 2019 01:08:26 PM Mark A. Hershberger wrote:
>> Package: wnpp
>> Owner: Mark A. Hershberger 
>> Severity: wishlist
>>
>>  Package name: python3-git-archive-all
>>  Version : 1.19.4
>>  Upstream Author : Ilya Kulakov 
>>  URL or Web page : https://github.com/Kentzo/git-archive-all
>>  License : MIT
>>  Description : Archive repository with all its submodules
> 
> I'd suggest git-archive-all be the package name.  The fact that's it's 
> written 
> in python looks like an implementation detail.
> 
> Scott K

And also, having "python3" in the name doesn't seem sensitive. We've
been using "python-foo" as source package names, and IMO we should
continue to do so, even for python3 packages.

Cheers,

Thomas Goirand (zigo)

Re: PPAs (Re: [Idea] Debian User Repository? (Not simply mimicing AUR))

[Thomas Goirand]

On 4/8/19 7:16 PM, Shengjing Zhu wrote:
>> from PPA (source+binary-based).
> 
> If people just want a PPA which supports Debian, please just take a
> look at OBS[1].
> 
> I've seen many upstreams provide packages with OBS, and most
> distributions are supported.
> Not only deb, but also rpm, from Debian/Ubuntu to OpenSuse/Fedora, and
> even Archlinux, in a uniform way.
> 
> [1] https://build.opensuse.org/

I don't see how OBS may help us. The proposal from Ganneff about
bikesheds was much nicer (ie: using our already existing buildd and FTP
infrastructure, and keeping our quality standard), than then path this
thread is taking.

If we are to propose sub-standard PPA like repositories, I would myself
try to avoid them.

Cheers,

Thomas Goirand (zigo)

Accepted rpcbind 1.2.5-1 (source amd64) into experimental

[Josue Ortega]

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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Josue Ortega 
Changed-By: Josue Ortega 
Description:
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Closes: 925033
Changes:
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 .
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[Ondřej Surý]

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Maintainer: Debian PHP Maintainers 
Changed-By: Ondřej Surý 
Closes: 925106
Changes:
 php7.3 (7.3.4-2) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   [Andreas Beckmann]
   * php7.3-common: Add Breaks against php7.0-curl for smoother upgrades from
 stretch.  (Closes: #925106)
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Song Submission - "Lonely"

[Nathan Wagner]

I wanted to submit my song "Lonely". The response I've gotten thus far has
been so absolutely humbling. I can't even believe it. I've heard from
several people who were ready to take their lives that somehow,
this song came on, and gave them strength to keep moving forward.
Absolutely blows my mind. Makes me feel like there's something larger at
work. Also, me and my brother have a combined 110K instagram followers so
we'll be able to send traffic your way. It be mutually beneficial. If not,
I'll still continue to support you and your channel. Keep doing what you're
doing.


Be blessed,

Nathan Wagner



Youtube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vzMmfQlBH4


Lonely Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/track/2V7JEBp1E45zWFvCIkUzp9?si=HSakzkP2ROav7UwRuOUgWQ


Apple Music: https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/lonely-single/1447700192


Soundcloud (Downloadable): https://soundcloud.com/nathan-wagner/lonely



Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nathanwagner762/?hl=en

Accepted pcl 1.9.1+dfsg1-8 (source) into experimental

[Jochen Sprickerhof]

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Re: pbuilder: create: how to set specific UID for some system user (e.g., _apt)

[Mattia Rizzolo]

On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 11:29:47AM +0400, Jerome BENOIT wrote:
> on my box I put special access for _apt. Now I would like to create some 
> pbuilder ball.
> But the creation process is getting stick because _apt is set with an 
> arbitrary UID.
> What is the best way, if we can, to set this arbitrary UID for _apt to the 
> one used in my firewall ?

These are the options in my mind:

 * set APT::Sandbox::User to "root", and give up on sandboxing
 * add a hook to create a system user with the uid that you like, and
   set APT::Sandbox::User to that special user
 * add a hook to change the uid of the _apt user to the uid you want

In pbuilder, hooks G are the ones that should be used for this job, to
tweak the chroot right after debootstrap during its creation.  For the
first case, you can just inject that option through APTGETOPT (in the
other cases, it's probably a good idea to add a file in the chroot's
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/; see also APTCONFDIR).

-- 
regards,
Mattia Rizzolo

GPG Key: 66AE 2B4A FCCF 3F52 DA18  4D18 4B04 3FCD B944 4540  .''`.
more about me:  https://mapreri.org : :'  :
Launchpad user: https://launchpad.net/~mapreri  `. `'`
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Accepted libdmtx 0.7.5-2.2 (source) into unstable

[Simon McVittie]

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Maintainer: Roberto Lumbreras 
Changed-By: Simon McVittie 
Closes: 908815
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 break without a corresponding SONAME update (in 0.7.5-1).
 Add Conflicts/Replaces on libdmtx0a, and add missing Replaces on
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[Debian/GNU]

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Changed-By: IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU) 
Closes: 926311
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Accepted cmt 1.17-1 (source) into experimental

[Felipe Sateler]

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Changed-By: Felipe Sateler 
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 .
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   * New upstream version 1.17
 - Refresh patches.
  Drop patches applied upstream, and reformat them in gbp pq style
   * Add patch to avoid clobbering of CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS
   * Modernize debian packaging
 - Use short-form dh instead of cdbs
 - Bump compat level to 12
   * Enable hardening flags
   * Update Vcs-* location and Maintainer address.
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[Ludovic Rousseau]

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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Ludovic Rousseau 
Changed-By: Ludovic Rousseau 
Description:
 grisbi - personal finance management program
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Bug#927020: ITP: golang-github-jesseduffield-pty -- Go package for using Unix pseudo-terminals

[Jongmin Kim]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Jongmin Kim 
X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian...@lists.debian.org

* Package name: golang-github-jesseduffield-pty
  Version : 1.1.3+git20181218.02db52c-1
  Upstream Author : Jesse Duffield 
* URL : https://github.com/jesseduffield/pty
* License : Expat
  Programming Lang: Go
  Description : Go package for using Unix pseudo-terminals

 Pty is a Go package for using Unix pseudo-terminals.
 .
 This package contains the source.

This package is in the dependency tree of Lazygit (#908894).

-- 
Jongmin Kim

OpenPGP key located at https://jongmin.dev/pgp
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Bug#927018: ITP: golang-github-jesseduffield-termbox-go -- pure Go implementation of termbox library

[Jongmin Kim]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Jongmin Kim 
X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian...@lists.debian.org

* Package name: golang-github-jesseduffield-termbox-go
  Version : 0.0~git20180919.1e272ff-1
  Upstream Author : Jesse Duffield 
* URL : https://github.com/jesseduffield/termbox-go
* License : Expat
  Programming Lang: Go
  Description : pure Go implementation of termbox library

 Termbox is a library that provides a minimalistic API which allows
 the programmer to write text-based user interfaces.
 .
 The basic idea is an abstraction of the greatest common subset of
 features available on all major terminals and other terminal-like
 APIs in a minimalistic fashion. Small API means it is easy to
 implement, test, maintain and learn it, that's what makes the termbox
 a distinct library in its area.
 .
 This package includes the patch for preventing the out of bounds errors
 when calling PollEvent().

This package is in the dependency tree of Lazygit (#908894).

-- 
Jongmin Kim

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Bug#927019: ITP: golang-github-jesseduffield-gocui -- minimalist console user interfaces Go library

[Jongmin Kim]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Jongmin Kim 
X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian...@lists.debian.org

* Package name: golang-github-jesseduffield-gocui
  Version : 0.3.0+git20190409.1b91467-1
  Upstream Author : Jesse Duffield 
* URL : https://github.com/jesseduffield/gocui
* License : BSD-3-clause
  Programming Lang: Go
  Description : minimalist console user interfaces Go library

 This package provides the minimalist Go package aimed at creating the 
 Console User Interfaces.
 .
 Following features are available:
   * Minimalist API 
   * Views (the "windows" in the GUI) implement the interface io.ReadWriter
   * Support for overlapping views
   * The GUI can be modified at runtime (concurrent-safe)
   * Global and view-level keybindings.
   * Mouse support
   * Colored text
   * Customizable edition mode
   * Easy to build reusable widgets, complex layouts

This package is in the dependency tree of Lazygit (#908894).

-- 
Jongmin Kim

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Re: Golang >= 1.12 in Buster?

[Eric Cooper]

On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 09:54:18PM +0800, Shengjing Zhu wrote:
> FWIW, golang-1.12 was removed from buster, because the RT think
> there're too many golang for buster[1].
> At first we have golang-1.{10,11,12} in testing.
>
> [1] https://tracker.debian.org/news/1024215/golang-112-removed-from-testing/

Go has a very strong commitment to backward compatibility.
Please remove the older versions, not the new one.

--
Eric Cooper e c c @ c m u . e d u

Accepted blis 0.5.2-4 (source) into experimental

[Mo Zhou]

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Maintainer: Debian Science Maintainers 

Changed-By: Mo Zhou 
Changes:
 blis (0.5.2-4) experimental; urgency=medium
 .
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Accepted mk-configure 0.29.1-3 (source) into unstable

[Andrej Shadura]

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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Andrew Shadura 
Changed-By: Andrej Shadura 
Closes: 895320
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 mk-configure (0.29.1-3) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   [ Dima Kogan ]
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Accepted fonts-konatu 20121218-9 (source) into unstable

[Hideki Yamane]

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Maintainer: Debian Fonts Task Force 
Changed-By: Hideki Yamane 
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 fonts-konatu (20121218-9) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
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 - use https
 - update copyright year
   * debian/control
 - set Standards-Version: 4.3.0
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Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[John Paul Adrian Glaubitz]

Hello!

Just as a heads-up: Sending mail to debian-ports@l.d.o ends up sending
the mail to debian-alpha@, debian-hppa@, debian-ia64@, ... simultaneously,
so it would be better to avoid using this address in the discussion.

Thanks,
Adrian

-- 
 .''`.  John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
: :' :  Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org
`. `'   Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de
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Accepted fonts-kiloji 1:2.1.0-24 (source) into unstable

[Hideki Yamane]

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Maintainer: Debian Fonts Task Force 
Changed-By: Hideki Yamane 
Changes:
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Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[Joerg Jaspert]

On 15371 March 1977, Aurelien Jarno wrote:


How is the move to debian-ports supposed to happen? I won't have the
time to do anything about it within the 2 weeks.



The process to inject all packages to debian-ports is to get all the
deb, udeb and buildinfo files from the archives (main and debug) and
associate them with the .changes files that are hosted on coccia. We'll
also need to fetch all the associated GPG keys used to sign the changes
files. Then we can inject that in the debian-ports archive.



It would be nice to have a bit more than 2 weeks to do all of that.


Ok. How much? Is 6 or 8 weeks better? I don't think, given how long this
is on the table already, it doesn't make much difference if its 2 or 8.
Just something thats clear defined and not some random, non-clear
"sometime in the future" point.

--
bye, Joerg

Accepted pcl 1.9.1+dfsg1-7 (source) into experimental

[Jochen Sprickerhof]

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Accepted libspiro 1:0.5.20150702-8 (source) into unstable

[Hideki Yamane]

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Accepted rpart 4.1-15-1 (source amd64) into unstable

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Re: Golang >= 1.12 in Buster?

[Shengjing Zhu]

On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 8:12 PM Toni Mueller  wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I just figured that Buster is, from the current POV, going to ship with
> Golang 1.11. While I am new to Go, I figured that we should probably
> have a newer version of Golang in Buster, as they are now doing
> versioned dependencies, but only starting with 1.12 or 1.13 (not quite
> sure about the difference here). This seems to be rapidly adopted by
> projects out there, so having only older versions of Golang is becoming
> useless quite soon. One project which I am trying to work on, coredns,
> already does not compile with anything older than 1.12.
>
> I know we are in freeze already, but I still need to ask, whether there
> might be a freeze exception, or how we are going to remedy this
> situation?
>
>

FWIW, golang-1.12 was removed from buster, because the RT think
there're too many golang for buster[1].
At first we have golang-1.{10,11,12} in testing.

[1] https://tracker.debian.org/news/1024215/golang-112-removed-from-testing/

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Accepted blis 0.5.2-3 (source) into experimental

[Mo Zhou]

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Re: Introducting Debian Trends: historical graphs about Debian packaging practices, and "packages smells"

[gregor herrmann]

On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 10:20:53 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:

> TL;DR: see https://trends.debian.net and
> https://trends.debian.net/#smells

Very nice, thank you.
 
> [4] https://trends.debian.net/smells-dd-list.txt

This list is slightly unhelpful (for my case / the Debian Perl Group)
as it reports hundreds [0] of "git repository still hosted on alioth"
warnings which are not factually true.

(I know, the Vcs-* fields in the packages in the archive still point
to alioth for all the not-yet-uploaded packages but the repos are
already moved …)


Cheers,
gregor

[0] for the perl team: 2266

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Re: native packages? (Re: Introducting Debian Trends: historical graphs about Debian packaging practices, and "packages smells")

[Alf Gaida]

On 13.04.19 15:07, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:

On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 12:59:19PM +, Holger Levsen wrote:

I see no point whatsoever in 3.0 (native).

What's the point/advantage of native packages?

No need to make a separate orig tarball.
Can't agree more, there are places where 3.0 (quilt|git|anything esls) 
don't make any sense, think about meta packages with no upstream tarball 
and such things.


And i wouldn't consider 1.0 bad or smelly, i use it on a regular base 
for git based builds in my experimental snapshots, it's simply the best 
format to do so (just put the new sources in and be done with)


Cheers Alf

Re: native packages? (Re: Introducting Debian Trends: historical graphs about Debian packaging practices, and "packages smells")

[Andrey Rahmatullin]

On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 12:59:19PM +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> > > I see no point whatsoever in 3.0 (native).
> > The main advantage of 3.0 (native) is that it makes it explicit that
> > the package is deliberately native [...]
> 
> ok, sorry, I ment to say: I see no point whatsoever in native packages.
> AFAICS there are no advantages, just downsides.
> 
> What's the point/advantage of native packages?
No need to make a separate orig tarball.

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Accepted libgeotiff 1.5.1-1~exp3 (source amd64) into experimental

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Re: native packages? (Re: Introducting Debian Trends: historical graphs about Debian packaging practices, and "packages smells")

[Holger Levsen]

On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 01:48:01PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 at 10:04:10 +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> > I see no point whatsoever in 3.0 (native).
> The main advantage of 3.0 (native) is that it makes it explicit that
> the package is deliberately native [...]

ok, sorry, I ment to say: I see no point whatsoever in native packages.
AFAICS there are no advantages, just downsides.

What's the point/advantage of native packages?


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[Dr. Tobias Quathamer]

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 documentation such as https://github.com/golang/go/wiki/WebAssembly
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Re: native packages? (Re: Introducting Debian Trends: historical graphs about Debian packaging practices, and "packages smells")

[Simon McVittie]

On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 at 10:04:10 +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> I see no point whatsoever in 3.0 (native).

The main advantage of 3.0 (native) is that it makes it explicit that
the package is deliberately native, whereas a 1.0 native package is
indistinguishable from a package that was intended to be 1.0 non-native
but ended up native because the maintainer forgot to have the orig.tar.gz
in the right place when building it.

(The presence or absence of a -revision in the version number should in
theory be well-correlated with non-native or native packaging, but this
doesn't always hold - for example python3-defaults is a native package
with a non-native-style version number. Perhaps Policy should require
packages like python3-defaults to use a native-style version number like
3.7.3+1 instead of 3.7.3-1?)

dpkg also compresses 3.0 (native) packages with xz by default.

smcv

Golang >= 1.12 in Buster?

[Toni Mueller]

Hello,

I just figured that Buster is, from the current POV, going to ship with
Golang 1.11. While I am new to Go, I figured that we should probably
have a newer version of Golang in Buster, as they are now doing
versioned dependencies, but only starting with 1.12 or 1.13 (not quite
sure about the difference here). This seems to be rapidly adopted by
projects out there, so having only older versions of Golang is becoming
useless quite soon. One project which I am trying to work on, coredns,
already does not compile with anything older than 1.12.

I know we are in freeze already, but I still need to ask, whether there
might be a freeze exception, or how we are going to remedy this
situation?


Cheers,
Toni

Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[Aurelien Jarno]

On 2019-04-13 13:07, Philipp Kern wrote:
> On 4/13/2019 12:49 PM, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> > The process to inject all packages to debian-ports is to get all the
> > deb, udeb and buildinfo files from the archives (main and debug) and
> > associate them with the .changes files that are hosted on coccia. We'll
> > also need to fetch all the associated GPG keys used to sign the changes
> > files. Then we can inject that in the debian-ports archive.
> I'm curious how the GPG bit works given that there is no guarantee that
> the signature can be validated at any other point in time than ingestion
> on ftp-master - especially considering the rotation/expiry of subkeys
> and buildd keys.

All the old buildd keys can be fetch from fasolo and can be used to
validate the signatures.

> In this case the files already come from a trusted
> source and should be ingested as-is, I guess? (Not that I particularly
> like the fact that it's only a point in time validation.)

Yes in that case, it's possible to resign the changes files, or let the
buildds to rebuild the corresponding packages.

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Accepted llvm-toolchain-snapshot 1:9~svn358327-1~exp1 (source) into experimental

[Sylvestre Ledru]

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Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[Philipp Kern]

On 4/13/2019 12:49 PM, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> The process to inject all packages to debian-ports is to get all the
> deb, udeb and buildinfo files from the archives (main and debug) and
> associate them with the .changes files that are hosted on coccia. We'll
> also need to fetch all the associated GPG keys used to sign the changes
> files. Then we can inject that in the debian-ports archive.
I'm curious how the GPG bit works given that there is no guarantee that
the signature can be validated at any other point in time than ingestion
on ftp-master - especially considering the rotation/expiry of subkeys
and buildd keys. In this case the files already come from a trusted
source and should be ingested as-is, I guess? (Not that I particularly
like the fact that it's only a point in time validation.)

Kind regards
Philipp Kern

Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[Samuel Thibault]

Carsten Schoenert, le sam. 13 avril 2019 12:41:25 +0200, a ecrit:
> Am 13.04.19 um 12:06 schrieb Samuel Thibault:
> >> Both architectures haven't seen any major development in the past years
> > 
> > They have.
> 
> O.k. need to be more specific, so the same as you mentioned further
> down, ..."in the context of Debian, the packages of Debian and it releases".

In the context of Debian as a distribution itself, there is not much
more to be done actually: the distro can be installed with the normal
debian installer, we don't depend on unreleased patches to have a
working system. We even have gotten llvm working recently.

In a broader Debian meaning, for instance with Helmut we have achieved
cross-bootstrappability of hurd-i386 from amd64, which is really a great
thing, because we know that we can now reboostrap the whole distribution
thanks to this if needed.

> > Patching software should be handled upstream indeed.
> 
> Yes, but most upstreams are a bit reserved

You mean, more than the Debian maintainers?

Well, at some point, "so be it, you won't have the works-on-Hurd badge".

For base packages like librsvg, the question is of a bigger importance,
for the port of course, but also for computer science in general: if
base packages can't easily be ported to new operating systems, the whole
computer science will be just stuck with Linux, and I don't think it's a
good thing.

That reminds me a recent paper about the requirement for fork() in the
Unix interface (https://lwn.net/Articles/785430/), which notably says
that because of the complexity for implementing it, it's hard to create
new operating systems with new ideas while providing a POSIX interface
for being useful in general.

> >> So I disagree on "One person is enough"
> > 
> > I meant only for the Debian-specific things, I am the only DD who
> > currently uses its key for signing packages, making CD images, etc.
> > That's what I meant by "the daily ports things".
> 
> Well, I guess it's not that easy I fear as there are no parts that can
> be seen as separate standalone things, it's all connected in various ways.

Yes, these are very intertwinned, but I like working on it and the
current Debian infrastructure makes it easy enough to do.

> But realistically it's not enough in my eyes to keep Hurd on even
> tracking the normal evolving of Debian.

I have since long stopped hoping that the Hurd port would ever be an
arch released in Debian (see previous threads in the past years about
moving to debian-ports). Just for the security guarantees it would
require, that can't work.

But as a debian-ports, I believe it can continue working just like it
has in the past years.

Samuel

Re: Introducting Debian Trends: historical graphs about Debian packaging practices, and "packages smells"

[Holger Levsen]

On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 10:20:53AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> https://trends.debian.net/#smells

there are two minor issues with the smells *graph*: not using salsa
should only be graphed since salsa exists (and not since 2005), same for
compat < 9.


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Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[Aurelien Jarno]

On 2019-04-12 23:01, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Joerg Jaspert, le ven. 12 avril 2019 22:48:42 +0200, a ecrit:
> > back in August 2018 we discussed architecture inclusion into
> > unstable/experimental.
> > 
> > Today we had our regular FTPMaster meeting and discussed hurd and both
> > kfreebsd architecture and decided to remove them from unstable and
> > experimental 2 weeks from now.
> 
> Just before the Buster release? That's far from the easiest timing.
> 
> I was hoping to do a non-official relase of Debian Hurd along Buster as
> usual, but a change of archive, which means uploading packages, fixing
> scripts, etc. will take a lot of time, which I simply just will not have
> within the coming two-three months (I am already struggling to find time
> to do what I engaged to). Basically, it means no non-official release of
> Debian Hurd along Buster. Or at best I could just make that non-official
> release now, with all the still pending RC bugs.
> 
> How is the move to debian-ports supposed to happen? I won't have the
> time to do anything about it within the 2 weeks.

The process to inject all packages to debian-ports is to get all the
deb, udeb and buildinfo files from the archives (main and debug) and
associate them with the .changes files that are hosted on coccia. We'll
also need to fetch all the associated GPG keys used to sign the changes
files. Then we can inject that in the debian-ports archive.

It would be nice to have a bit more than 2 weeks to do all of that.

Aurelien

-- 
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aurel...@aurel32.net http://www.aurel32.net

Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[Samuel Thibault]

Svante Signell, le sam. 13 avril 2019 12:36:54 +0200, a ecrit:
> On Sat, 2019-04-13 at 12:18 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > He rightfully means he does not want patches, but patches getting
> > submitted upstream, so he does not have to maintain them. A Debian
> > package maintainer is not supposed to maintain patches long-term.
> 
> Then the question of which responsibilities a package maintainer has
> should be investigated by the CTTE.

Please stop discussing about this, pulling CTTE in won't help with
anything, you can't force volunteers to be doing work.

This was already discussed before, and is out of scope from this thread,
and not the time to discuss about it.

Really, you need to learn to stop trying to bully people into the way
you want things to happen.

Samuel

Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[Carsten Schoenert]

Samuel,

Am 13.04.19 um 12:06 schrieb Samuel Thibault:
>> I can't follow that style of discussion.
> 
> Please don't, Svante is only trolling here, please don't feed him.

yes, this is true. As you've answered in your other email, such emails
bringing no real gain or progress.

>> I haven't seen a broader supporting from the people who wanting these
>> architectures to stay in Debian on some important packages.
> 
> I can only agree. I hear a lot of people saying that the Hurd port
> existing is a great thing, but a lot less people helping with it.
> 
> (I do thank all the people who work on it without necessarily being
> noticed).
> 
>> Both architectures haven't seen any major development in the past years
> 
> They have.

O.k. need to be more specific, so the same as you mentioned further
down, ..."in the context of Debian, the packages of Debian and it releases".

> Patching software should be handled upstream indeed.

Yes, but most upstreams are a bit reserved especially if it's about Hurd
as they have no knowledge about (but I also don't) and fearing that
patches will break and complicate other things, kFreeBSD is a bit easier
or more accepted and known. But I here also see the porters to get also
in touch with upstream as I'm as the maintainer of a package not
necessarily have the knowledge to keep the specific architecture up to
date in the upstream project or simply have no time or interest on this.

>> So I disagree on "One person is enough"
> 
> I meant only for the Debian-specific things, I am the only DD who
> currently uses its key for signing packages, making CD images, etc.
> That's what I meant by "the daily ports things".

Well, I guess it's not that easy I fear as there are no parts that can
be seen as separate standalone things, it's all connected in various ways.

As I've not written this in my previous email, so to state it now, I've
a big respect on your work on Hurd! But realistically it's not enough in
my eyes to keep Hurd on even tracking the normal evolving of Debian.

> For the non-Debian-specific things like patching packages, I am
> thankfully really not alone, and I completely agree it can't be a
> one-person thing.

Sometimes it's amazing to see with what people can came up with, and
gladly there are also porter people where I get patches for other ports
to keep packages building successful.

-- 
Regards
Carsten Schoenert

Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[Svante Signell]

On Sat, 2019-04-13 at 12:18 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> 
> He rightfully means he does not want patches, but patches getting
> submitted upstream, so he does not have to maintain them. A Debian
> package maintainer is not supposed to maintain patches long-term.

Then the question of which responsibilities a package maintainer has
should be investigated by the CTTE. It is not reasonable that a porter
should submit patches to multiple upstreams (really many) when the
package maintainer is (and should be) the natural interface to a single
upstream...

Re: Introducting Debian Trends: historical graphs about Debian packaging practices, and "packages smells"

[Shengjing Zhu]

On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 4:21 PM Lucas Nussbaum  wrote:
>
> TL;DR: see https://trends.debian.net and
> https://trends.debian.net/#smells
>

These graphs look ambiguous... Shouldn't the x-axis be year?

-- 
Shengjing Zhu

Accepted pymongo 3.7.1-1.1 (source) into unstable

[Ivo De Decker]

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Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[Samuel Thibault]

Svante Signell, le sam. 13 avril 2019 12:13:41 +0200, a ecrit:
> On Sat, 2019-04-13 at 11:51 +0200, Carsten Schoenert wrote:
> > So I disagree on "One person is enough" as long this one person can
> > not keep track on all the required main and corner cases so other
> > maintainers get to do the workload here alone.
> 
> Have you seen this? Look at the age of these bugs. Note also that
> several bugs have patches attached to them.

He rightfully means he does not want patches, but patches getting
submitted upstream, so he does not have to maintain them. A Debian
package maintainer is not supposed to maintain patches long-term.

Really, this was already discussed in the past, can't you just accept
it?

Samuel

Accepted python-hyperframe 5.2.0-1 (source) into unstable

[Sebastien Delafond]

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Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[Samuel Thibault]

Holger Levsen, le sam. 13 avril 2019 09:50:25 +, a ecrit:
> On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 09:31:46AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Samuel Thibault, le sam. 13 avril 2019 00:11:15 +0200, a ecrit:
> > > Joerg Jaspert, le ven. 12 avril 2019 23:30:31 +0200, a ecrit:
> > > > It seems to exist there, so probably someone who can upload there and
> > > > is interested in hurd-i386 goes and uploads stuff.
> > > Within a two-week timeframe only?
> > (while everybody is supposed to be busy fixing RC bugs)
> 
> would 6 weeks work be better for you?

It's actually exactly the time frame I still can not afford due to
personal scheduling that I can't do anything about.

> I can see how the ftpteam doesnt want to delay this *after* the Buster
> release,

Ok, if it can't be after Buster releases because e.g. ftpmaster wants to
clean the archive before it, the discussion is moot, I can just make the
non-official Hurd release this week (since the scripts currently work
it's really quick to do) with the RC bugs, and we can make the move and
let scripts etc. be broken for a couple of months until I have time to
fix them back.

Samuel

Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[Svante Signell]

On Sat, 2019-04-13 at 11:51 +0200, Carsten Schoenert wrote:
> Am 13.04.19 um 11:15 schrieb Svante Signell:
> 
> > Please give up on Debian. They clearly have no interest in anything
> > non-linux or non-systemd, that is fully clear. Let's make a joint
> > effort to make a Guix release of Hurd (and kFreeBSD) happen. Or, if
> > you
> > still want to continue using apt-style distributions, join Devuan.
> > Please, don't support the non-universal OS movement driven by
> > Debian people!
> 
> 
> Both architectures haven't seen any major development in the past
> years 

Yes they have, see for example Samuels answer on the latest Hurd
release: 20190109!

> So I disagree on "One person is enough" as long this one person can
> not keep track on all the required main and corner cases so other
> maintainers get to do the workload here alone.

Have you seen this? Look at the age of these bugs. Note also that
several bugs have patches attached to them. Debian maintainers just
don't want to help with non-linux bugs. So your complaint is not valid
at all.

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?users=debian-h...@lists.debian.org;tag=hurd

Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[Samuel Thibault]

Carsten Schoenert, le sam. 13 avril 2019 11:51:51 +0200, a ecrit:
> > Please give up on Debian. They clearly have no interest in anything
> > non-linux or non-systemd, that is fully clear. Let's make a joint
> > effort to make a Guix release of Hurd (and kFreeBSD) happen. Or, if you
> > still want to continue using apt-style distributions, join Devuan.
> > Please, don't support the non-universal OS movement driven by Debian
> > people!
> 
> I can't follow that style of discussion.

Please don't, Svante is only trolling here, please don't feed him.

> I haven't seen a broader supporting from the people who wanting these
> architectures to stay in Debian on some important packages.

I can only agree. I hear a lot of people saying that the Hurd port
existing is a great thing, but a lot less people helping with it.

(I do thank all the people who work on it without necessarily being
noticed).

> Both architectures haven't seen any major development in the past years

They have.

> for me as a maintainer of packages the workload on supporting these
> architectures between the new upstream releases costs a lot of time

Patching software should be handled upstream indeed.

> So I disagree on "One person is enough"

I meant only for the Debian-specific things, I am the only DD who
currently uses its key for signing packages, making CD images, etc.
That's what I meant by "the daily ports things".

For the non-Debian-specific things like patching packages, I am
thankfully really not alone, and I completely agree it can't be a
one-person thing.

Samuel

native packages? (Re: Introducting Debian Trends: historical graphs about Debian packaging practices, and "packages smells")

[Holger Levsen]

On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 11:42:38AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> Well you could switch to 3.0 (native). 

I see no point whatsoever in 3.0 (native).

IMO 3.0 (quilt) is sensible and 1.0 too, whether native or not. *If*
native package in todays world are still sensible...

> > But you don't consider native packages as smelly, which I think you maybe 
> > should.
> I'm not sure we have ever had a real discussion about that. But yes that
> might be true. It would make it easier to expose changes in derivatives.

I also see no benefit of native packages. None. I've just not done the
change for src:piuparts as change is hard :)

Maybe I forgot some argument in favor of native packages, if so, I'd be
glad to be reminded. (Except change is hard, which isn't a good argument
forever.)


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Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[Samuel Thibault]

Samuel Thibault, le sam. 13 avril 2019 11:57:20 +0200, a ecrit:
> That kind of mail is useless.

I actually meant: it is also harmful.

Samuel

Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[Samuel Thibault]

That kind of mail is useless.

Samuel

Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[Carsten Schoenert]

Am 13.04.19 um 11:15 schrieb Svante Signell:

> Please give up on Debian. They clearly have no interest in anything
> non-linux or non-systemd, that is fully clear. Let's make a joint
> effort to make a Guix release of Hurd (and kFreeBSD) happen. Or, if you
> still want to continue using apt-style distributions, join Devuan.
> Please, don't support the non-universal OS movement driven by Debian
> people!

I can't follow that style of discussion. You seems to really want to not
accept some facts about the kFreeBSD and Hurd architectures.
On the one hand you complaining about Debian is a *non*-universal OS, on
the other side I haven't seen a broader supporting from the people who
wanting these architectures to stay in Debian on some important
packages. Please stop to complain on non specific things and start to
solve the problems you see or have! You know: Someone means YOU, it's
all up to the people to keep things running.
Or simply move over to other projects were you feel more comfortable
with. There is enough space for all of us.

Both architectures haven't seen any major development in the past years
and for me as a maintainer of packages the workload on supporting these
architectures between the new upstream releases costs a lot of time with
no real gain in the end as the build dependencies later can not be
fulfilled or most of the time while importing new source I'm working on
readjust the patch queue!

So I disagree on "One person is enough" as long this one person can not
keep track on all the required main and corner cases so other
maintainers get to do the workload here alone.

-- 
Regards
Carsten Schoenert

Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[Holger Levsen]

On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 09:31:46AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Samuel Thibault, le sam. 13 avril 2019 00:11:15 +0200, a ecrit:
> > Joerg Jaspert, le ven. 12 avril 2019 23:30:31 +0200, a ecrit:
> > > It seems to exist there, so probably someone who can upload there and
> > > is interested in hurd-i386 goes and uploads stuff.
> > Within a two-week timeframe only?
> (while everybody is supposed to be busy fixing RC bugs)

would 6 weeks work be better for you? I can see how the ftpteam doesnt want
to delay this *after* the Buster release, but maybe they can agree on
giving you a bit more time, so you can a.) still do the move and b.) not
neglect polishing buster for https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility


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[Rafael Laboissiere]

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Re: Introducting Debian Trends: historical graphs about Debian packaging practices, and "packages smells"

[Lucas Nussbaum]

On 13/04/19 at 09:28 +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi Lucas,
> 
> On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 10:20:53AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > TL;DR: see https://trends.debian.net and
> > https://trends.debian.net/#smells
> 
> that's beautiful! thank you!
> 
> > [4] https://trends.debian.net/smells-dd-list.txt
> 
> for me there are two smelly packages, src:tuxtype should use source 3.0
> indeed, but for src:piuparts I really don't see why. Though I would
> quite probably agree that src:piuparts should not be native, and then
> 3.0 would make more sense.

Well you could switch to 3.0 (native). Are there good reasons to stay
with 1.0 for a native package ? Even if I agree that there's probably
not much to gain, there's also even less to lose.

> But you don't consider native packages as smelly, which I think you maybe 
> should.

I'm not sure we have ever had a real discussion about that. But yes that
might be true. It would make it easier to expose changes in derivatives.

Lucas


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Re: Introducting Debian Trends: historical graphs about Debian packaging practices, and "packages smells"

[Holger Levsen]

Hi Lucas,

On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 10:20:53AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> TL;DR: see https://trends.debian.net and
> https://trends.debian.net/#smells

that's beautiful! thank you!

> [4] https://trends.debian.net/smells-dd-list.txt

for me there are two smelly packages, src:tuxtype should use source 3.0
indeed, but for src:piuparts I really don't see why. Though I would
quite probably agree that src:piuparts should not be native, and then
3.0 would make more sense. But you don't consider native packages as
smelly, which I think you maybe should.


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Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[Svante Signell]

On Sat, 2019-04-13 at 10:58 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Joerg Jaspert, le sam. 13 avril 2019 10:24:53 +0200, a ecrit:
> > On 15371 March 1977, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > 
> 
> Well, it's very odd that a team decision is suddenly made with a
> two-week effect without asking whether the schedule will be fine.
> 
> I guess I have to explicitly confirm here that yes, I know that the
> decision _whether_ to move is not sudden. Again, I'm talking about
> the schedule here. Asking a Debian team to do something time-
> consuming within a two-week timeframe in the middle of the full
> freeze, really...
> 
> I won't have the time to discuss with ftpmaster about it in the
> coming days anyway.

Samuel,

Please give up on Debian. They clearly have no interest in anything
non-linux or non-systemd, that is fully clear. Let's make a joint
effort to make a Guix release of Hurd (and kFreeBSD) happen. Or, if you
still want to continue using apt-style distributions, join Devuan.
Please, don't support the non-universal OS movement driven by Debian
people!

Thanks!

Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[Samuel Thibault]

Joerg Jaspert, le sam. 13 avril 2019 10:24:53 +0200, a ecrit:
> On 15371 March 1977, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> 
> > > > It seems to exist there, so probably someone who can upload there and
> > > > is interested in hurd-i386 goes and uploads stuff.
> > > Within a two-week timeframe only?
> > (while everybody is supposed to be busy fixing RC bugs)
> 
> I just jumped over old threads - its not actually a new thing what we
> discuss now.

Sure. But last time we discussed it in september the debian-ports
workload issue wasn't settled.

> It never ever moved despite knowing that we want it off.

Personally, I never took the initiative of doing it because of the
debian-ports workload question.

> I don't believe that anything changes just because we wait again.

What now changed is that we have a deadline, so somehow it will have to
be done. That's the difference.

But the deadline is two-week in the middle of the full freeze...

> Also, note, that it is a team decision, not me alone, I am just the
> messenger.

Sure, no problem with that.

> If you want us to change it, mail the team with the reasons, and we at
> least discuss it again. No guarantees on outcome.

Well, it's very odd that a team decision is suddenly made with a
two-week effect without asking whether the schedule will be fine.

I guess I have to explicitly confirm here that yes, I know that the
decision _whether_ to move is not sudden. Again, I'm talking about the
schedule here. Asking a Debian team to do something time-consuming
within a two-week timeframe in the middle of the full freeze, really...

I won't have the time to discuss with ftpmaster about it in the coming
days anyway.

Samuel

Accepted open-infrastructure-compute-tools 20190413-2 (source all) into experimental

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Re: Introducing Debian Trends: historical graphs about Debian packaging practices, and "packages smells"

[Lucas Nussbaum]

On 13/04/19 at 10:24 +0200, Sebastiaan Couwenberg wrote:
> On 4/13/19 10:20 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > Additionally (and much more controversially I guess :-) ) I also added
> > an analysis of "package smells"[3], such as "not using dh", "not using a
> > recent debhelper compat level", "not using a 3.0 source format", etc. I
> > understand that in some cases there might be good reasons to keep those
> > "smells", but I find it valuable to have them presented in a more
> > actionable way to fix the cases that should be fixed. So there's a list
> > of smells, sorted by maintainer/uploader [4].
> 
> You should check if those issues present in unstable are not already
> fixed in experimental.

Yeah. Currently my code uses a partial mirror of snapshot.debian.org,
and I ran a custom lintian myself on 339491 source packages.

Ideally all the needed additional tags will be added to lintian, and
doing a more detailed and "real-time" analysis will be possible just by
looking at the lintian results on https://lintian.debian.org. (Once it's
available on lintian.d.o, it's easy to generate the DD list using UDD,
for example).

Lucas


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Re: Flatpak apps from Debian packages

[Simon McVittie]

(Belatedly changing the subject line, sorry for the digression...)

On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 at 09:34:54 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> I expected the Flatpak /app directory to also be entirely read-only,
> are there parts of /app that are not read-only?

/app is also (separately) read-only, and points into a separate libostree
deployment. If libostree is like git for OS binaries, then a deployment
is roughly the equivalent of a git checkout, except that it needs to be
treated as read-only, because it's made up of hard links into libostree's
content-addressed object storage. (It can sometimes be OK to write to
it very carefully by using atomic-overwrite to break hard-links, and the
ostree package installs a FUSE filesystem rofiles-fuse that is intended to
optimize this process by only allowing the few operations that are safe.)

I think there's briefly a read/write /app (a tmpfs instead of a libostree
deployment?) during the process of building and installing an app, so
that you can `make install` into it before committing it into the
libostree object storage.

> I might at some point take a look at adding such a mode to flatdeb,
> would you accept having that as an option?

Sure. I probably won't be able to review it immediately, but it's
certainly a mode that's worth experimenting with. The steps I'd suggest
would be:

* build the base tarball, like now (multiple runtimes can share this,
  it's basically a debootstrap minbase)
* build a Platform runtime ('runtimes' mode) that contains the leaf
  package and all its dependencies (the input file for 'runtimes'
  mode can already ask to include arbitrary packages)
* perhaps don't build a SDK runtime? (new --no-sdk option)
* build an app from a manifest file that lists the intended metadata
  and the files that need to be copied into /app for export (new mode,
  or new options in the input to 'app' mode)

I'm not sure whether people who aren't Collabora staff or customers can
get accounts on our Gitlab, so you might have to clone it elsewhere and
send me email instead of using merge requests for now, but it would
probably make sense for me to move flatdeb's canonical repository to
Salsa when it settles down a bit.

> > The matching SDK runtime that is used to compile apps
> 
> I don't know enough about SDKs in the Flatpak world, would they
> contain something like the Build-Depends and their recursive deps?

Normally, when you're building a runtime to be shared by multiple apps,
the SDK contains everything necessary to compile and debug those apps, so
the -dev packages and (optionally) detached debug symbols corresponding
to all the libraries you're interested in, plus compilers and a basic
CLI debugging environment (gdb, strace, valgrind, less, vi). The example
Games runtime in flatdeb is an example of this, very loosely inspired
by the Steam Runtime: it has the build-dependencies of OpenArena, and
it would be reasonable to expand it to have the B-D of some other games
and game engines like darkplaces and ScummVM.

The detached debug symbols in /usr/lib/debug are usually
carved out into an "extension" so that you don't always have
to install them, and flatdeb does that automatically: you get
net.debian.flatpak.Games.Platform and net.debian.flatpak.Games.Sdk
runtimes, each of which is designed to be mounted on /usr, together
with an optional net.debian.flatpak.Games.Sdk.Debug extension that gets
mounted on /usr/lib/debug if installed.

For your idea of building a runtime per leaf package that happen to
share most of their content and get deduplicated by ostree, putting its
complete B-D in the SDK runtime might be excessive (the whole point of
your idea is that we don't recompile the leaf package), but I think a SDK
runtime that contains a CLI debugging environment with might still make sense.

flatdeb also produces a ...Sdk.Sources extension with the source code
(by evaluating the Source and Built-Using fields), to make GPL compliance
easier - this mimics what flatpak-builder does. At some point I'll add
an option to disable this for people who are doing their GPL compliance
some other way (my work project might start taking snapshots of the apt
repository that exactly matches a particular runtime, at which point
the Sources extension becomes redundant and can be discarded).

> > In principle there'd be nothing to stop debos from using something
> > like user-mode-linux as an alternative to qemu/KVM.
> 
> I guess you could also use container tools like systemd-run with user
> namespaces (once those are enabled by default)?

My understanding is that systemd-run is not designed for unprivileged use.
If I'm wrong about that, then, yes, debos could in principle use it.

bubblewrap is *not* suitable for this use: it's probably OK for building a
Flatpak app that is a leaf package (and flatpak-builder uses it for this),
but it isn't going to work for building the container that is the basis
for the runtime, because dpkg/apt/the Debian base system expect to be able
to access 

Re: Introducting Debian Trends: historical graphs about Debian packaging practices, and "packages smells"

[Sebastiaan Couwenberg]

On 4/13/19 10:20 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> Additionally (and much more controversially I guess :-) ) I also added
> an analysis of "package smells"[3], such as "not using dh", "not using a
> recent debhelper compat level", "not using a 3.0 source format", etc. I
> understand that in some cases there might be good reasons to keep those
> "smells", but I find it valuable to have them presented in a more
> actionable way to fix the cases that should be fixed. So there's a list
> of smells, sorted by maintainer/uploader [4].

You should check if those issues present in unstable are not already
fixed in experimental.

Kind Regards,

Bas

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Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[Joerg Jaspert]

On 15371 March 1977, Samuel Thibault wrote:


> It seems to exist there, so probably someone who can upload there and
> is interested in hurd-i386 goes and uploads stuff.
Within a two-week timeframe only?

(while everybody is supposed to be busy fixing RC bugs)


I just jumped over old threads - its not actually a new thing what we
discuss now. Its always the same. This next release. Just this one thing
over there, then.

Now, hurd does have double usage (ftp-master and ports) for *years*. And
it never ever moved despite knowing that we want it off.

I don't believe that anything changes just because we wait again.

Also, note, that it is a team decision, not me alone, I am just the
messenger. If you want us to change it, mail the team with the reasons,
and we at least discuss it again. No guarantees on outcome.

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bye, Joerg

Introducting Debian Trends: historical graphs about Debian packaging practices, and "packages smells"

[Lucas Nussbaum]

TL;DR: see https://trends.debian.net and
https://trends.debian.net/#smells

Hi,

Following this blog post[1] I did some work on setting up a proper
framework to graph historical trends about Debian packaging practices.
The result is now available at [2], and I'm confident that I will be
able to update this on a regular basis (every few months).

Additionally (and much more controversially I guess :-) ) I also added
an analysis of "package smells"[3], such as "not using dh", "not using a
recent debhelper compat level", "not using a 3.0 source format", etc. I
understand that in some cases there might be good reasons to keep those
"smells", but I find it valuable to have them presented in a more
actionable way to fix the cases that should be fixed. So there's a list
of smells, sorted by maintainer/uploader [4].

Given that Debian is currently frozen to prepare the buster release,
this is a bad time to start fixing those smells, but I will send a
reminder to debian-devel@ once buster is released. (It's interesting to
see how the number of smells plateaued during previous freezes).

- Lucas

[1] https://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=945
[2] https://trends.debian.net/
[3] https://trends.debian.net/#smells
[4] https://trends.debian.net/smells-dd-list.txt


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pbuilder: create: how to set specific UID for some system user (e.g., _apt)

[Jerome BENOIT]

Hello,

on my box I put special access for _apt. Now I would like to create some 
pbuilder ball.
But the creation process is getting stick because _apt is set with an arbitrary 
UID.
What is the best way, if we can, to set this arbitrary UID for _apt to the one 
used in my firewall ?

Thanks in advance,
Jerome

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Accepted octave-dicom 0.2.2-1 (source) into experimental

[Rafael Laboissiere]

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Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

[Samuel Thibault]

Samuel Thibault, le sam. 13 avril 2019 00:11:15 +0200, a ecrit:
> Joerg Jaspert, le ven. 12 avril 2019 23:30:31 +0200, a ecrit:
> > It seems to exist there, so probably someone who can upload there and
> > is interested in hurd-i386 goes and uploads stuff.
> 
> Within a two-week timeframe only?

(while everybody is supposed to be busy fixing RC bugs)

samuel

Accepted ocserv 0.12.2-3 (source amd64) into unstable

[Aron Xu]

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