Temporary solution for changelog problem in binNMUs

2013-05-13 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, with wheezy released and development on jessie started the problem with binNMUs for multiarch-enabled packages is back: binNMU'ed packages have different changelog entries and upgrades fail (for example [1]). [1] http://bugs.debian.org/708097 It's quite annoying as the problem is only

Re: Temporary solution for changelog problem in binNMUs

2013-05-13 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 05/13/2013 14:12, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 11:14:07AM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: For this sbuild should add binary-only=yes to the changelog[4] and dh_installchangelogs split such entries into a separate file (will file a bug soon). [4] http

Re: Temporary solution for changelog problem in binNMUs

2013-05-13 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, [ dropped -release and -wb-team, added 681289@bugs.d.o ] Guillem Jover guil...@debian.org writes: On Mon, 2013-05-13 at 17:04:51 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: The real problem is that these changelog files are primarily intended for human beings. They should live in /usr/share/doc, and their

Re: Temporary solution for changelog problem in binNMUs

2013-05-13 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, [ dropped -release and -wb-team ] Jonathan Nieder jrnie...@gmail.com writes: One problem that that doesn't solve is what to do when a package would be able to borrow its /doc/package directory from another package (using a symlink) but for the changelog and copyright (which gets even

Re: Switching to mozilla ESR in stable-security

2013-05-29 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, On 05/28/2013 22:33, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: As such, we'll switch to releasing the ESR releases of iceweasel and icedove in stable-security. Reverse-deps of the older xulrunner libs have negligable security impact and we won't update them any further. One problematic aspect are the

Re: AGPLv3 Compliance and Debian Users

2013-07-11 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 07/11/2013 14:15, Paul Wise wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Lars Meyser wrote: No I did not miss that, but I'm not entirely sure of the implications. So if I use a packaged version of a program which has been modified (e.g. by Debian patches) I am not obliged to make the source

projectb mirror (was: Re: Grub 2.00 in testing?)

2013-07-22 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, On 07/22/2013 12:57, Ondřej Surý wrote: dak on coccia.d.o is not in the best shape (yet): $ dak rm -nR ruby-activesupport-2.3 [...] daklib.dak_exceptions.CantOpenError: /srv/ftp-master.debian.org/ftp//pool/main//r/ruby-activesupport-2.3/ruby-activesupport-2.3_2.3.14-7_all.deb Changes

Re: projectb mirror

2013-07-22 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, Ondřej Surý ond...@sury.org writes: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org wrote: On 07/22/2013 12:57, Ondřej Surý wrote: dak on coccia.d.o is not in the best shape (yet): $ dak rm -nR ruby-activesupport-2.3 [...] daklib.dak_exceptions.CantOpenError

rmadison vs. dak ls (was: Re: Grub 2.00 in testing?)

2013-07-23 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 07/23/2013 09:03, Paul Wise wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Cyril Brulebois wrote: I've just noticed that #699268 is supposed to be fixed, but last I heard about somebody from QA, that was during the last stages of the wheezy release cycle, and while the issue was known back then,

Re: rmadison vs. dak ls

2013-07-24 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Alexander Reichle-Schmehl toli...@debian.org writes: * Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org [130723 11:11]: Please also not that the additional source packages included can be at a *higher* version than sources included in src_association. This is what happened here: grub2_1.99-27+deb7u1

Re: Less dinstall FTW?

2013-08-28 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org writes: Is there a reason why we couldn't have incoming.d.o apt-able without lowering the dinstall frequency? That is also possible, however fewer dinstall runs mean less data to push to mirrors and to archive on snapshot.d.o as dists/ would change less

Re: Less dinstall FTW?

2013-08-29 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de writes: On 08/29/2013 12:13 AM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org writes: Is there a reason why we couldn't have incoming.d.o apt-able without lowering the dinstall frequency? That is also possible, however fewer dinstall runs mean less data

Re: Less dinstall FTW?

2013-08-29 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, as I have seen some confusion what this change means in practice and most answers ignored the second part of the proposal, here are some more explanations: dinstall and unchecked runs --- The archive processes uploads every 15 minutes (cron.unchecked). At this time

Re: Less dinstall FTW?

2013-08-30 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Ond$(D+Z(Bej Sur$(D+r(B ond...@sury.org writes: Or can you think of any other scenario when it could be useful to end users? I think running on unstable is bleeding edge enough already, and if you need some specific fix *right* *now* available from i.d.o, you can always download it by

Re: Accessing bug archives

2013-09-15 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Dave Steele dste...@gmail.com writes: As a DM, the UDD db interface is not available to me. The UDD web interface for bugs does not support the right query terms. As far as I know anybody with an account on Alioth can access UDD: $ ssh -t wagner.debian.org psql service=udd There's also an

Re: Bug#688251: #688251: Built-Using description too aggressive

2013-09-23 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 09/23/2013 10:56, Paul Wise wrote: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 5:33 AM, Charles Plessy wrote: do you think that the attached patch would solve the problem ? There are more reasons for using Built-Using than licenses, for example: Rebuilding against updated versions of static libraries.

Re: Results of the porter roll call (Was: Roll call for porters of architectures in sid and testing)

2013-10-02 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 10/02/2013 09:45, Niels Thykier wrote: Summary table: Arch || DDs || NMs/DMs || Other || Total ---++-++-++---++-- [...] sparc[2] || 1 || 0 || 0 ||1 [2] By the looks of it, if sparc was replaced by sparc64, we could be

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-24 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, On 10/24/2013 17:40, Steve McIntyre wrote: This would mean: [...] * Tweak CD and installer builds: + change what happens with no desktop selected to use xfce instead of Gnome (netinst, DVD, BD etc.) + Add an explicitly-named Gnome CD#1 + Remove the explicitly-named XFCE

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-25 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org writes: How about renaming CD1 to GNOME CD1 and make the minimal installers prompt which desktop to install? That is no longer having a default desktop. The downside would be that one download link would no longer be enough. By now I no longer think

Re: Proposal: let’s have a GR about the init system

2013-10-26 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, Christoph Anton Mitterer cales...@scientia.net writes: On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 10:00 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: GRs should be used for societal and policy[*] decisions. Using GRs for *technical* decision is stupid. Is it for sure that this (and I guess it's mostly about upstart vs.

Re: GnuTLS in Debian

2013-12-30 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: Most upstream authors that I've spoken with don't believe that licensing crosses the shared library ABI boundary, that the shared OpenSSL library and the GPLv2 program that calls it remain separate works, and therefore there is no need for OpenSSL to

Re: removal of the vacation package

2014-01-13 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no writes: Is there such a beast with feature parity? vacation has a few nice defaults, like ignoring list mails and only sending one message per week to each receiver. Having every end user implement similar behaviour in sieve isn't likely to happen. The world has

Re: removal of the vacation package

2014-01-13 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no writes: Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org writes: Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no writes: Is there such a beast with feature parity? vacation has a few nice defaults, like ignoring list mails and only sending one message per week to each receiver. Having every end user

IA64 removal from unstable and experimental

2014-02-03 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, Niels Thykier ni...@thykier.net writes: As of tonight, ia64 has been removed from the jessie suite on ftp-master. The ia64 architecture remains in sid for the moment, but is likely to go away soon. Following the removal of ia64 from jessie, we intend to complete the process by removing

Re: Two line init.d scripts? Sure, that will work!

2014-02-06 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 02/06/2014 10:56, Helmut Grohne wrote: The relevant bits can be found in insserv, watch out for /lib/init/upstart-job. The current version of insserv in unstable, 1.14.0-5, doesn't seem to contain this file. It takes things one step further though. Instead of having an interpreted script,

Re: Updating the Policy Editors delegation

2014-02-07 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, On 02/07/2014 11:24, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: The Debian Policy team defines Debian's technical framework, including the structure and contents of the Debian archive, design issues of the operating system, as well as technical requirements that all packages must satisfy. The Debian Policy

Re: Bug#727708: Fsck SystemD and its developers and its users. GR to override this please.

2014-02-11 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 02/11/2014 17:03, vita...@yourcmc.ru wrote: Try to find an efficient way to show the output of a particular daemon. Now of a cgroup. Now anything of a user. It's not about capturing, it is about doing something useful with it. You want to capture various properties with each message. No

Re: IA64 removal from unstable and experimental

2014-02-17 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, On 02/03/2014 10:13, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: Following the removal of ia64 from jessie, we intend to complete the process by removing it from unstable and experimental next weekend, that is 15th/16th Februrary 2014. If anyone has any objection to this, please let us know as soon

Re: default init on non-Linux platforms

2014-02-20 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, On 02/20/2014 09:57, gregor herrmann wrote: On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 21:30:44 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: That package does currently depend on perl, though, which isn't appropriate for an essential package. ... The dependency is because deb-systemd-helper uses a bunch of modules that are not

Re: default init on non-Linux platforms

2014-02-20 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 02/20/2014 15:28, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 02/20/2014 09:02 PM, Tom H wrote: What features does sysvinit+openrc have that sysvinit+sysv-rc+insserv doesn't have? Just to name a few: - getting rid of the ugly LSB headers - cgroup supports to kill processes I'm curious: does OpenRC allow

Re: Bug#727708: Linux Security, Red Hat and Systemd Conspiracy

2014-02-21 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, Thorsten Glaser writes: Georgy Demidov dixit: Debian user here. This is my first and last letter about the bug #727708. I feel this is important to share. http://mid.gmane.org/1393001326.916837...@f432.i.mail.ru Thank you for sharing this. This was very appreciated, and I think everyone

building arch:all packages on the buildd network (was: Re: when will we finally throw away binary uploads)

2014-02-26 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 02/26/2014 14:39, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: I was going to send a mail about this yesterday. I've decided I'm going to start a quest to support this. I settled on Build-Indep-Architecture myself. Build-Architecture-Indep might also work and is visually similar to the already existing

Re: jquery debate with upstream

2014-03-18 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 03/18/2014 01:20, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Scott Kitterman: Oh. So you think to meet the DFSG we need to provide a copy of the VCS repository since the tarball isn't the preferred form of modification? Actually, if we really want to strictly +literally interpret the DFSG, then yes,

Bug#742179: ITP: ug -- software framework for finite element methods

2014-03-20 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org * Package name: ug Version : 3.10.0 * URL : http://www.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de/wiki-link-pages/wiki-software * License : LGPL-2.1+ Programming Lang: C/C++ Description : software

Re: package upload failed?

2014-03-23 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, Brian May br...@microcomaustralia.com.au writes: Yesterday I uploaded the latest version of dar to Debian, using dput. The log for queued says: Mar 22 02:44:41 /dar_2.4.12-1_amd64.changes has bad PGP/GnuPG signature! As we don't keep files with bad signatures, I cannot tell what was wrong

Re: shebang (was Re: systemd - some more considerations)

2014-04-04 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, Thorsten Glaser t.gla...@tarent.de writes: On Fri, 4 Apr 2014, Chow Loong Jin wrote: Are you sure about this? Yes. Some references would be helpful. I can't seem to find anything on this through Sure. I’ve patched mksh to use “#?” ipv “#!” as shebang, to simulate a kernel not

Re: dist-upgrade strangeness: dependencies not deconfigured

2014-04-08 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 04/08/2014 18:06, Ian Jackson wrote: Guillem Jover writes (Re: dist-upgrade strangeness: dependencies not deconfigured): The much maligned dselect frontend has managed w/o any force option, and unfortunately only somwhat recently I reasinged bug reports to apt (#579790) and cupt (#575786

Re: Having fun with the following C code (UB)

2014-04-11 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, On 04/11/2014 12:42, Ian Jackson wrote: Shachar Shemesh writes (Re: Having fun with the following C code (UB)): I never did understand what people expect. What people expect is that the compiler compiles programs the way C was traditionally compiled. Shouldn't -O0 come close to that

How to go back to sysvinit (was: Re: systemd-fsck?)

2014-05-09 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, On 05/09/2014 12:35, Svante Signell wrote: Well, I've not been asked if I wanted to switch to systemd based boot when upgrading. I think this is a bug in init system choice and should be reported. How to go back to sysvinit? Please ask on one of the support mailing lists (CC'ed).

Bug#750727: ITP: psurface -- piecewise linear bijections between triangulated surfaces

2014-06-06 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org * Package name: psurface Version : 2.0.0 Upstream Author : Oliver Sander san...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de * URL : http://numerik.mi.fu-berlin.de/dune/psurface * License : LGPL-3+ or GPL-2

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 06/26/2014 11:34, Thorsten Glaser wrote: No, it didn't work. You had to be root for operations as simple as shutting down the computer. Only on Debian. OpenBSD and MirBSD have: -r-sr-x--- 1 root operator 122716 Sep 10 2013 /sbin/shutdown* I never understood why Debian doesn't.

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, On 06/26/2014 14:33, Svante Signell wrote: On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 14:03 +0200, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: [ ⏰ 26/06/2014 12:05 ] [ ✎ Svante Signell ] On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 11:59 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: On 06/26/2014 11:34, Thorsten Glaser wrote: No, it didn't work. You had

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-27 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 06/27/2014 11:53, Svante Signell wrote: Before this part of the thread dies out, can anybody comment on this, Simon, Ansgar, Jean-Christophe, ...? I think my earlier answer [1] covers this. [1] https://lists.debian.org/53ac237f.7080...@debian.org Ansgar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Bug#752075: daemontools-run: Add systemd support

2014-07-04 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, On 07/04/2014 11:08, Gerrit Pape wrote: I looked into latest policy, but did not find anything about systemd support. I'm surprised that this is now a release critical bug, and the package marked for removal. What's the justification? Ask the submitter? This package hooks into

Essential binaries and Pre-Depends on libraries

2014-07-04 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, essential binaries have to work also when the package is in an unpacked, but not configured, state. For that reason, packages including essential binaries use Pre-Depends on the shared libraries needed by those binaries. However, from my reading of policy I get the impression that this still

Re: Running autopkgtest at package upload time

2014-07-08 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, On 07/08/2014 16:57, Antonio Terceiro wrote: Of course, from there we would also need an APT repository from where to actually get the uploaded packages. I remember a discussion about turning the incoming location into a proper APT repository, but I don't know in which stage that effort

Re: Transition plan for changing the default init system

2014-07-16 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no writes: So we are proposing the following scheme: a/ Upload a new init package. This is a new, essential package that will replace sysvinit as the package that ensures your system has an init system. We want to build this binary package from a package which

Re: Running autopkgtest at package upload time

2014-07-23 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, Antonio Terceiro terce...@debian.org writes: On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 05:18:21PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: incoming.d.o has a proper APT repository which has, amongst others, a buildd-unstable suite including the last uploads. It's not not accessible by the general public

Re: Bug#756172: ITP: ssh-cron -- cron-like job scheduler than handles ssh key passphrases

2014-07-27 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, Jonathan Yu jaw...@cpan.org writes: On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 4:54 AM, Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de wrote: Why would one use such a tool? passphraseless keys exist, and can be configured to be secure. This sounds interesting. Do you have a link to some documentation on this

Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing

2014-07-28 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, On 07/28/2014 12:32, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Vincent Lefevre wrote: Screen sessions, SSH sessions and computation processes running in background are lost after a reboot, not after a relogin. AIUI this is not true for systemd: once the session is terminated, all background processes run

Bug#756390: ITP: dune-grid-glue -- toolbox for solving PDEs -- compute couplings between grids

2014-07-29 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org * Package name: dune-grid-glue Upstream Author : Christian Engwer christian.eng...@uni-muenster.de, Oliver Sander san...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de * URL : http://www.dune-project.org/modules

Re: First steps towards source-only uploads

2014-08-01 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 08/01/2014 12:17, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Paul Wise p...@debian.org [2014-08-01 11:33 +0200]: * The source package includes a Package-List field that also has an arch=* column. dpkg (= 1.17.7) will include this. Can we read up more on this somewhere? It is the default if

Re: First steps towards source-only uploads

2014-08-03 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be writes: Please also make sure you rename the changes files to not conflict with the .changes files the buildd is going to use. As of today, that's no longer required. :) Ansgar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-08 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Joey Hess jo...@debian.org writes: Jordi Mallach wrote: jessie's GNOME 3.x release should be a lot more polished than what we shipped with wheezy, which means many of the rough edges and annoyances people may have found when upgrading from squeeze are probably now ironed out. It's still

Re: Time to drop debcheck on optional/extra and arch:all?

2014-08-10 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: I think this illustrates a couple of minor deficiencies wrt Debian and arch-independent packages. There isn't any way to have depends that should be only for certain arches. Yes, which is because of the deeper

Re: First steps towards source-only uploads

2014-08-12 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, On 08/12/2014 12:33, Hector Oron wrote: 2014-08-01 9:37 GMT+02:00 Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org: We will allow not including arch:all packages in uploads once we have sorted out how to get them built. Has it been already discussed? If so, where? Not the part to actually implement

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-13 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, On 08/13/2014 15:43, Theodore Ts'o wrote: Is it the power user? Is it developers? Is it the typical users I've seen on Launchpad, such that I've largely stopped dealing with bug reports there --- far too many Ubuntu users can't file a proper bug report, and then other Ubuntu users

Re: systemd service and /etc/default/

2014-08-17 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes: Quite a number of packages also refrain from starting the daemon on an unconfigured newly installed package until the user has configured it. I guess that this needs to be replaced by native mechanisms (i.e. implemented as a patch to the upstream

Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-17 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org writes: On the other hand, downloading the tarball from the archive is not automated by any tool afaics. That means, git-buildpackage will happily re-create the dist tarball from the upstream branch. If you are not watching really carefully, this step is very

Re: Bug#759762: ITP: libz-mingw-w64 -- compression library (targeting Windows)

2014-09-01 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 09/01/2014 17:55, Colin Watson wrote: On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 10:43:20PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote: So yeah, d-i can't be built automatically without access to a mirror. Which is a bug, and not an easy one to fix. What is actually technically wrong with this? To build packages, you have

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-09-02 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 09/02/2014 13:15, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Oh, and afterwards ensure systemd is not re-added. The prevent-systemd-* package set can do this in three steps, although I don’t currently see even prevent-systemd-running (Conflicts mostly with systemd-sysv) being accepted, so you’d have to

Re: Removing 2048 bit keys from the Debian keyrings

2014-09-02 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org writes: On Tue, Sep 02 2014, Matthias Urlichs wrote: there's a GPG option (via the the *-cert-level options, see 'man gpg') to state how carefully you did verify their identity, but ultimately it's up to you. That is not how I interpreted that

Re: Possible abuse of dpkg-deb -z9 for xz compressed binary packages

2014-09-04 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 09/04/2014 10:49, Thorsten Glaser wrote: On Wed, 3 Sep 2014, Christian Kastner wrote: That is the key question, and I believe considering the worst possible cost -- a package that cannot be unpacked, as in #757740 -- the trade-off is not worth it. IIRC, I asked last year already to patch

Re: systemd, again (Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing)

2014-09-05 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Cameron Norman camerontnor...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 5:20 AM, Matthias Urlichs matth...@urlichs.de wrote: In any case, IMHO a system that's been installed with wheezy, and then upgraded to jessie, should be identical to a system installed with jessie in the first place.

Re: systemd, again (Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing)

2014-09-06 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Noel Torres env...@rolamasao.org writes: On Friday, 5 de September de 2014 21:36:43 Ansgar Burchardt escribió: Nothing prevents you from a, installing systemd-shim from Jessie before running apt-get dist-upgrade or b, using apt-get dist-upgrade upstart. I'm fairly sure I saw this question

Re: There should not be dependencies on systemd

2014-09-06 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Noel Torres env...@rolamasao.org writes: If you need dbus, you should Depend on dbus, and systemd should Provides dbus. Then, if Ann programs her Own Dbus Implementation she can package it as aodi (Ann's Own Dbus Implementation) and have aodi Provides dbus. Same for logind (systemd

Re: systemd, again (Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing)

2014-09-06 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl writes: Ok, so let's quantify the view of sysadmins somehow. This can actually be done in a meaningful way: let's count posts on places where technically-minded folks gather. There's plenty of minor blogs that are biased, but let's choose big sites where we

Re: upgrades must not change the installed init system [was: Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing]

2014-09-09 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 09/09/2014 16:59, Russ Allbery wrote: Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez clo...@igalia.com writes: So, when upgrading from Wheezy to Jessie, we have three options: 1) Keep the user init system (sysvinit most probably) 2) Upgrade to systemd after asking the user. 3) Upgrade to systemd silently

Re: upgrades must not change the installed init system [was: Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing]

2014-09-09 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 09/09/2014 17:01, Russ Allbery wrote: Vincent Danjean vdanjean...@free.fr writes: I agree with your analysis. However, how do you think we can ask the user ? We can have a debconf question. However, whatever the answer is, we must not return an error (i.e. aborting the upgrade). It is

Re: PackageKit cleanup: Do you use these functions?

2014-09-11 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 09/11/2014 15:30, Steve McIntyre wrote: Matthias wrote: PackageKit also has support for systemd-based offline-updates for a while now, which downloads updates while the system is running, and installs them in a special mode when the system is rebooting. This should ensure that no breakage

Re: Trimming priority:standard

2014-09-17 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Noel Torres env...@rolamasao.org writes: On Tuesday, 16 de September de 2014 22:17:51 Joerg Jaspert escribió: On 13698 March 1977, Didier Raboud wrote: One thought... there will probably be trademark concerns with unix.[1] So we might have to choose a name for the tasksel task to be

Bug#762801: ITP: dune-alugrid -- toolbox for solving PDEs -- unstructured simplicial and cube grids

2014-09-25 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org * Package name: dune-alugrid Version : 2.3 Upstream Author : Bernhard Schupp Mario Ohlberger Robert Kloefkorn Andreas Dedner

Re: dgit and upstream git repos

2014-10-09 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, On 10/09/2014 16:38, Ian Jackson wrote: ... I had thought that the stuff in .pc is necessary for dpkg-source to be able to build the package, and unpack the result. If I can feed a .pc-less source tree to dpkg-source -b and get roughtly the right output then that would obviously be a

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-13 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, [ Please followup on -user@, there is no need to have this on two lists. ] Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net writes: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: http://popcon.debian.org/ which sure seems to reinforce the popularity of sysvinit 18sysvinit

Bug#765076: general: No way to have a clean chroot for building packages

2014-10-13 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, Joey Hess jo...@debian.org writes: Santiago Vila wrote: Before systemd arrived, it was possible to have a chroot free from init packages (not needed to build packages). It seems reasonable for debootstrap --variant=buildd to omit any init systems, if it doesn't already. It seems a bit

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-13 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Joey Hess jo...@debian.org writes: Yes we do: sysvinit-core systemd-sysv systemd-shim https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=sysvinit-core+systemd-sysv+systemd-shimshow_installed=onshow_vote=onwant_legend=onwant_ticks=onfrom_date=to_date=hlght_date=date_fmt=%25Y-%25mbeenhere=1 [...]

Re: Determining, ad hoc, whether someone is a DD

2014-10-18 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: We have this list of DMs: https://ftp-master.debian.org/dm.txt linked to from here: https://ftp-master.debian.org/ This was wrongly documented on the ftp-master.d.o site to be a list of DMs: it only lists upload permissions in the

Re: piece of mind

2014-10-21 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 10/21/2014 04:13 PM, Norbert Preining wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Josselin Mouette wrote: not possible to split the system cgroups arbitrator from the process which starts services and sessions in cgroups. It is not possible to ensure the relation of a log to a service if you do not have

Re: piece of mind

2014-10-21 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 10/21/2014 04:43 PM, Martin Read wrote: On 21/10/14 15:32, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: It did not work, yes. That's why, for example, fail2ban can be used by local users to deny access to other users[1]. With that said, if that fact *actually matters*, you probably have other, worse problems

Re: The inittab interface - Re: Bug#766187: runit: Fails to install runit after fresh install of jessie beta2

2014-10-22 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 10/22/2014 11:39 AM, Raphael Hertzog wrote: You can't create a trigger monitoring /etc/inittab because it's not packaged: $ LANG=C dpkg -S /etc/inittab dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/inittab And you can't use it on another file provided by sysvinit-core because you have

Re: Punctuation characters in Debian packaging

2014-11-04 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 11/04/2014 04:39 PM, The Wanderer wrote: The 'packagename-' syntax for 'apt-get install' and similar, and the 'packagename+' syntax for 'apt-get remove' and similar, are so well and so long established that I would argue against changing them at this point. [...] Would it be reasonable to

Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling

2014-11-11 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 11/11/2014 02:10 PM, Ian Jackson wrote: Santiago Vila writes (Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling): The voting process is already complex enough. If it is going to be like this: GR Proposal: Option A. Amendment A: Option B. Amendment B: Option C. we might better

Re: making dput a wrapper around git

2014-11-18 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, On 11/18/2014 09:45 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: How would people feel if dput was a wrapper around git? I think its not a good idea. It has too many problems, see below. This wouldn't imply that maintainers must use Git as their VCS For packages that do use git as the VCS, dput would do a

Re: init system policy

2014-11-18 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, On 11/18/2014 05:39 PM, Matthias Urlichs wrote: trying to convert minidlna sysv init file to systemd, managed to have a working unit file but failed to split the configuration mimicing the ../default/minidlna content with the hability to make USER and GROUP configurable.

Re: init system policy

2014-11-18 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, On 11/18/2014 06:25 PM, Eric Valette wrote: In the file they just need to set User and Group then? With systemd you can ship a default configuration in /lib/systemd/system and administrators can override specific options, for example: +--- | [Unit] | Description=Some Helpful Description |

Re: init system policy

2014-11-21 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk writes: Thanks. Sounds like only a diff between system-provided and sysadmin-overrided config, however: That might help for the latter part of the question - notify only when system service file is overridden locally (by suppressing notification if

Re: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

2014-11-28 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 11/28/2014 03:16 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Marco d'Itri wrote: I disagree: upgrades should get the default init system unless the system administrator chooses otherwise. I disagree with you, and so does CTTE, this time: they said that existing installations should

Re: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

2014-11-28 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 11/28/2014 03:24 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: No, the ctte did not say that. We had a flamewar about that interpretation before. That was almost word by word from https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg0.html See [1

Re: successful upgrade to jessie - thanks!

2014-11-28 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes: A few hours of reasearch later (which could have been a few minutes if just the community would have been a bit more helpful) it turned out they were right: We start kdm via an init script and sysvrc emulation, and this does actually break

Re: motd handling in jessie beyond

2015-01-02 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, as this seems to be only about including the output of `uname' in motd, how about just *not* including it? I never found it to be particular helpful anyway... If you want to include information about the machine you are connecting to, then the OS version, amount of RAM, number and speed of

Accepted libtest-deep-perl 0.107-1 (source all)

2010-10-01 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
...@lists.alioth.debian.org Changed-By: Ansgar Burchardt ans...@43-1.org Description: libtest-deep-perl - Perl module for extremely flexible deep comparisons Changes: libtest-deep-perl (0.107-1) unstable; urgency=low . [ Ryan Niebur ] * Update jawnsy's email address * Update ryan52's email address

Accepted libtext-csv-xs-perl 0.74-1 (source i386)

2010-10-01 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
...@lists.alioth.debian.org Changed-By: Ansgar Burchardt ans...@43-1.org Description: libtext-csv-xs-perl - Perl C/XS module to process Comma-Separated Value files Changes: libtext-csv-xs-perl (0.74-1) unstable; urgency=low . [ gregor herrmann ] * Set Standards-Version to 3.9.1; replace Conflicts

Accepted libsub-name-perl 0.05-1 (source i386)

2010-10-02 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
...@lists.alioth.debian.org Changed-By: Ansgar Burchardt ans...@43-1.org Description: libsub-name-perl - module for assigning a new name to referenced sub Changes: libsub-name-perl (0.05-1) unstable; urgency=low . [ Jonathan Yu ] * Standards-Version 3.8.3 (drop perl version dependency) . [ gregor herrmann

Accepted libtext-csv-perl 1.19-1 (source all)

2010-10-02 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
...@lists.alioth.debian.org Changed-By: Ansgar Burchardt ans...@43-1.org Description: libtext-csv-perl - comma-separated values manipulator (using XS or PurePerl) Changes: libtext-csv-perl (1.19-1) unstable; urgency=low . [ Ansgar Burchardt ] * New upstream release. * Bump Recommends on libtext-csv-xs-perl

Accepted libtext-csv-xs-perl 0.75-1 (source amd64)

2010-10-11 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
...@lists.alioth.debian.org Changed-By: Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org Description: libtext-csv-xs-perl - Perl C/XS module to process Comma-Separated Value files Changes: libtext-csv-xs-perl (0.75-1) unstable; urgency=low . * New upstream release. * Update my email address. Checksums-Sha1

Accepted libfile-find-rule-perl-perl 1.10-1 (source all)

2010-10-11 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
...@lists.alioth.debian.org Changed-By: Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org Description: libfile-find-rule-perl-perl - Perl module for searching Perl things Changes: libfile-find-rule-perl-perl (1.10-1) unstable; urgency=low . * New upstream release. * debian/copyright: Update years

Accepted libtest-exception-perl 0.31-1 (source all)

2010-10-11 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
...@lists.alioth.debian.org Changed-By: Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org Description: libtest-exception-perl - module for testing exception-based code Changes: libtest-exception-perl (0.31-1) unstable; urgency=low . * New upstream release. * Use debhelper compat level 8 for Build.PL. * Add build

Accepted libhash-flatten-perl 1.19-1 (source all)

2010-10-11 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
...@lists.alioth.debian.org Changed-By: Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org Description: libhash-flatten-perl - flatten/unflatten complex data hashes Changes: libhash-flatten-perl (1.19-1) unstable; urgency=low . [ Nathan Handler ] * debian/watch: Update to ignore development releases. . [ Salvatore

Accepted liblog-handler-perl 0.67-1 (source all)

2010-10-11 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
...@lists.alioth.debian.org Changed-By: Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org Description: liblog-handler-perl - module to handle output destined for log files Changes: liblog-handler-perl (0.67-1) unstable; urgency=low . [ Salvatore Bonaccorso ] * Update carnil's email address . [ Ansgar Burchardt

Accepted libmouse-perl 0.80-1 (source amd64)

2010-10-11 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Changed-By: Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org Description: libmouse-perl - lightweight object framework for Perl Changes: libmouse-perl (0.80-1) unstable; urgency=low . * New upstream release. * Drop build-dep on libtest-exception-perl. * debian/copyright: Add information for files

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