dpkg 1.3.4: cosmetic bugfix and manual update

1996-08-11 Thread Ian Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Format: 1.5 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 13:25:44 +0100 Source: dpkg Binary: dpkg Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.3.4 Distribution: experimental Urgency: low Maintainer: Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description: dpkg - Package maintenance system

debiandoc-sgml 1.0.2: bugfixes, manuals

1996-08-11 Thread Ian Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Format: 1.5 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 17:42:46 +0100 Source: debiandoc-sgml Binary: debiandoc-sgml Architecture: source all Version: 1.0.2 Distribution: experimental Urgency: medium Maintainer: Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description: debiandoc-sgml

debiandoc-sgml 1.0.3: actually formats documents

1996-08-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Architecture: source all Version: 1.0.3 Distribution: experimental Urgency: low Maintainer: Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description: debiandoc-sgml - Documentation formatting for Debian manuals Changes: debiandoc-sgml (1.0.3) experimental; urgency=low . * Converters work again. Oops

Re: Conversion procedure for new source packages DRAFT

1996-08-12 Thread Ian Jackson
I wrote: This is my first draft of a quick document saying how to convert an old to a new source package. DO NOT DO ANYTHING YET except read this and suggest amendments. I've thought of something to add to this list: * Check that the description is well-formatted and meaningful and

Re: Emacs per-package startup files

1996-08-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Brian C. White writes (Re: Emacs per-package startup files): ... [someone:] So, do these files go in /var/lib/emacs, /etc/emacs, or /usr/lib/emacs/site-lisp, and why? I can set it up and send changes to the emacs package maintainers this weekend if that gets worked out... I'd vote for

Re: des encryption..

1996-08-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Yves Arrouye writes (Re: des encryption.. ): Ian Jackson writes: Also I propose to mandate in the policy manual that packages which use /opt should provide appropriate links or files in /opt/{bin,lib,man,include,info,doc} and that packages which search paths must look in /opt too

Bug#4107: emacs leaves stale lockfiles and publishes pathnames

1996-08-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Package: emacs Version: 19.29-3 My /var/lib/emacs/lock directory contains many old lock files. I'm quite happy to believe that the occasional leftover lock is unavoidable, but steps should be taken to clean them up. Furthermore, all the pathnames for the lockfiles are world-readable. This is

Shared library dependencies revisited

1996-08-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Please read the proposal below and comment on it. If noone says anything I'll probably implement and mandate something very like it in the next week or two, in time for the new source package format (we only want to change this once). Now is the time to have your say. I've been thinking about

Re: Documentation formats

1996-08-13 Thread Ian Jackson
Bruce Perens writes (Re: Documentation formats): From: Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] The thing is that I think we need to be able to distribute other [documentation] end-products [than HTML]. HTML is bad for printing, for example, and not ideal if you have a slow machine. Choice

Re: Documentation formats

1996-08-13 Thread Ian Jackson
Bruce Perens writes (Re: Documentation formats): ... The unification of Debian documentation will be carried out via HTML. You should not consider the merits of a particular HTML viewer, or even the weight of the best of our existing HTTP servers. These things will change with time, and

Re: Documentation formats

1996-08-13 Thread Ian Jackson
Bruce Perens writes (Re: Documentation formats): From: Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] The thing is that I think we need to be able to distribute other [documentation] end-products [than HTML]. ... Do you have a proposal? ... My initial proposal is as follows: If it's available we

Re: des encryption..

1996-08-13 Thread Ian Jackson
(Moved to debian-devel:) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes (Re: des encryption..): [Ian Jackson:] Can we please put /opt - /usr/opt and the empty /opt tree in the base package, before things get any worse ? Also I propose to mandate in the policy manual that packages which use /opt should

dpkg 1.3.5: source packaging bugfixes, esp. changelog mode

1996-08-14 Thread Ian Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Format: 1.5 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 14:46:47 +0100 Source: dpkg Binary: dpkg Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.3.5 Distribution: experimental Urgency: low (high for debian-changelog-mode) Maintainer: Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description: dpkg

Bug#4156: rpncalc has unexecutable unwriteable /usr/man, /usr/man/man1

1996-08-14 Thread Ian Jackson
Package: rpncalc Version: 1.1-1 Directories must be 755 root.root. Ian. chiark:~/junk dpkg --contents /csunix-export1/debian/unstable/binary-i386/math/rpncalc_1.1-1.deb drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 Jul 23 23:00 1996 ./ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 Jul 23 23:00 1996 usr/ drwxr-xr-x

Bug#4049: access permissions for sysklogd

1996-08-14 Thread Ian Jackson
Martin Schulze writes (Bug#4049: access permissions for sysklogd): Good morning Daniel! }/sbin/klogd and /sbin/syslogd should be 755. Why? I don't see any reason they should be executable by everyone. I have copied those permissions from my predecessor and I agree to them. Please see the

Bug#4175: util-linux has file /usr/doc/copyright/debian.copyright

1996-08-16 Thread Ian Jackson
Package: util-linux Version: 2.5-4 dpkg - warning, overriding problem because --force enabled: trying to overwrite `/usr/doc/copyright/debian.copyright', which is also in package util-linux

Bug#4188: ldd never gives non-zero exit status

1996-08-18 Thread Ian Jackson
Package: ldso Version: 1.7.14-4 -chiark:~ ldd /bin/ls libc.so.5 = /lib/libc.so.5.2.18 -chiark:~ echo $? 0 -chiark:~ ldd /bin/true ldd: /bin/true is not a.out or ELF -chiark:~ echo $? 0 -chiark:~ ldd /dev/null ldd: can't read header from /dev/null -chiark:~ echo $? 0 -chiark:~ ldd /spong

Re: New source format and related issues...

1996-08-19 Thread Ian Jackson
Michael Alan Dorman writes (New source format and related issues...): ... I've looked at the docs, I've examined hello and dpkg, and I'll be damned if I can find any information that would allow me to actually reproduce the files that were uploaded to master, and assuming that dpkg was in fact

Perl `pod' documentation should be in /usr/doc or not installed

1996-08-19 Thread Ian Jackson
Package: perl Version: 5.003-2 This package contains some documents in a Perl-specific documentation format called `pod'. These files are installed in /usr/lib/perl5, eg /usr/lib/perl5/POSIX.pod oor /usr/lib/perl5/pod/perlop.pod. They should be somewhere in /usr/doc, or (since they're

dpkg-1.3.6, hello-1.3-10: new shared library scheme

1996-08-21 Thread Ian Jackson
: dpkg Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.3.6 Distribution: experimental Urgency: low (HIGH for new source format) Maintainer: Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description: dpkg - Package maintenance system for Debian Linux Changes: dpkg (1.3.6) experimental; urgency=low (HIGH for new source

Bug#4223: Mosaic looks bad on mono display

1996-08-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Package: mosaic Version: 2.7b5-2 When I run Mosaic on a mono X terminal the 3d button borders and so forth are not highlighted or coloured correctly, making them difficult to see and use. Below are two xwd files, one created by Debian's Mosaic 2.7b5-2 and one by an OSF/1 installation of Mosaic

Bug#4225: lynx fails to substitute %XX in mailto: URLs

1996-08-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Package: lynx Version: 2.4-FM-960316-1 See the page URL:http://chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk/~ijackson/bad-mailto.html (a copy of the page is included below). If you load this page in lynx and select the `spong' you will enter a dialogue offering to send mail to `ijackson%40chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk', and if

Bug#4224: Mosaic produces poor rendering of nested markup

1996-08-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Package: mosaic Version: 2.7b5-2 See the page URL:http://chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk/~ijackson/nested-markup.html (a copy of the page and an xwd of the output produced by 2.7b5 on my mono display is included below). As you can see: * strong doesn't work correctly inside var - it overrides the italics

Bug#4226: Mosaic fails to substitute %XX in mailto: URLs

1996-08-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Package: mosaic Version: 2.7b5-2 See the page URL:http://chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk/~ijackson/bad-mailto.html (a copy of the page is included below). If you load this page in Mosaic and click on the `spong' URL you will see a dialogue box offering to send mail to `ijackson%40chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk', and

`binary' target and per-architecture rebuilding

1996-08-22 Thread Ian Jackson
In order to solve some tricky problems to do with architecture-independent files being produced and uploaded as a result of per-architecture porting builds, I'm splitting the `binary' target into two: binary-arch will build the architecture dependent binary packages and files. For a

Consensus is for compressed manpages

1996-08-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Further to this discussion, I'm going to write into the policy manual that manpages should be installed compressed using gzip -9. Ian.

copyright files in /usr/doc/package/copyright

1996-08-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Since we need closure on this I'm mandating this change in the new policy manual and source package format. I'll also mandate that the debian/changelog file be included, in /usr/doc/package/changelog.Debian.gz, or changelog.gz for a package whose upstream and Debian maintainers are the same.

Re: Documentation formats

1996-08-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Mark Eichin writes (Re: Documentation formats): [Ian asked:] (Is texi2html any good?) http://www.cygnus.com/ (and I'm sure other places) has texi2html'ed versions of gnu compiler-related tools, if you want a quick look at them. Thanks. They do look reasonable. Ian.

Re: CC's on this mailing list

1996-08-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Dale Scheetz writes (Re: CC's on this mailing list): ... However, there are several people who post to the lists, but don't read them, who ask to be responded to directly. Maybe we should just require that these people suffer reading the lists like the rest of us? Yes. It is rude to post to a

Re: Documentation formats

1996-08-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Mark Eichin writes (Re: Documentation formats): if we standardize the names for the alternate formats, can we also have, for each format foo, a virtual foo-viewer package, and include it in the dependencies? (That will, as a side effect, make it easier to determine which formats are supported

Re: New virtual package names.

1996-08-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Dale Scheetz writes (Re: New virtual package names. ): On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Ian Jackson wrote: ... Noone is going to deinstall all the editors on their system and not notice what they've done wrong and how to fix it - this is not the kind of `mistake' our dependency scheme should try

Re: New package standards - LAST CALL

1996-08-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Michael Alan Dorman writes (Re: New package standards - LAST CALL ): In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ian Jackson writes: Therefore I propose that unless someone raises a serious problem or issue within the next week or two the new packaging guidelines as described in the draft dpkg programmers

Re: $(ARCH)-debian-linux-gnu

1996-08-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Erick Branderhorst writes ($(ARCH)-debian-linux-gnu): Should we use $(ARCH)-debian-linux-gnu as parameter for ./configure and $(ARCH)-debian-linux? If so can it specified in the guidelines. If not what should we use? $(ARCH)-debian-linux, but $(ARCH) should usually be 486, shouldn't it ?

Re: Non-existent .deb's

1996-08-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Daniel Lynes writes (Non-existent .deb's): Just a thought, but I was wondering if perhaps the dselect program could be modified to allow for it to not allow you to be able to select .deb archives that are non-existent? I've noticed that for the .deb archives that I haven't downloaded, the

Bruce - fiat required to end discussion on lyx/copyright ?

1996-08-22 Thread Ian Jackson
subsection 3.2.6, ``/usr/doc/package/copyright''. -- Ian Jackson, at home. [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 44 1223 3 31579 General: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Permanent: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Churchill College, Cambridge, CB3 0DS. http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/iwj10/

Re: New source format and related issues...

1996-08-22 Thread Ian Jackson
I wrote: Michael Alan Dorman writes (New source format and related issues...): ... dpkg-source: building hello in hello_1.3.orig.tar.gz tar: Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive Try `tar --help' for more information. dpkg-source: failure: tar gave error exit status 2 ... Well,

Re: Bug#4129: dselect 1.3.0 infelicity

1996-08-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Bruce Perens writes (Bug#4129: dselect 1.3.0 infelicity): If I position the selection bar on All Brokenly Installed Packages and press the - key, _all_ packages are de-selected, not just the brokenly installed ones. This is counter-intuitive. `counter-intuitive' ?! You're a master of

Bug#4229: /etc/init.d/skeleton is missing `set -e'

1996-08-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Package: sysvinit Version: 2.64-1 The file /etc/init.d/skeleton should use `set -e' as this is good practice and it is an example script. Ian.

Bug#4230: /etc/init.d/network is an auto-handled conffile

1996-08-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Package: sysvinit Version: 2.64-1 The file /etc/init.d/network is a dpkg-handled conffile, despite containing important site-specific configuration information which is set up by the base disks. Files manipulated by installation scripts should not be dpkg-handled conffiles. Ian.

Bug#3838: GCC should depend on CPP, not conflict with it

1996-08-22 Thread Ian Jackson
David Engel writes (Re: Bug#3838: GCC should depend on CPP, not conflict with it): Ian Jackson writes: David Engel writes (Re: Bug#3838: GCC should depend on CPP, not conflict with it): ... Because they're designed to work together. That's why the FSF includes cpp with gcc instead

Bug#4051: access permissions for /usr/bin/fdmount

1996-08-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Damn, it looks like my comment Before anyone changes anything, please read the appropriate part of the new policy manual. went unheeded. I see that the change that Daniel Quinlan requested has been made. It's a shame that I didn't get around to writing this more detailed response to the

Re: New package standards - LAST CALL

1996-08-23 Thread Ian Jackson
Otmar Lendl writes in private email which I'm sure he won't mind me posting: ... What I would appreciate is, that all the Developer Ressources (Guidelines, Hints, Virtual Names, FSSTD co.) have a central WWW page where I can easily look up the currently valid standards. Could you please

Re: installing elisp .el files

1996-08-23 Thread Ian Jackson
Mark Eichin writes (Re: installing elisp .el files): ... Byte-compilation depends much more on *speed* than size. The changelog mode doesn't do enough (I assume) to merit the speed improvement... gnus, for example, really really needs to be byte compiled. mailcrypt, w3, vm, probably all do

manual updates (0.2.1.0)

1996-08-23 Thread Ian Jackson
converting. * Use minor patchlevel for meaning changes which don't affect packages. * More verbosity about netiquette. * Reorganised participation and upload policy: merged with mailing lists. -- Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:48:09 +0100 debian-manuals (0.2.0.1

New source package uploads to `unstable' allowed

1996-08-23 Thread Ian Jackson
You may now upload packages in the new source format to `unstable'. Packages in `stable' will continue to be in the old format. Note that the caveats in my release announcement on debian-changes for 1.3.8 apply: * The new source tools have not been very well tested and will have bugs, some

Bug#4195: dpkg-source and new tar package don't mix

1996-08-23 Thread Ian Jackson
Bruce Perens writes (Bug#4195: dpkg-source and new tar package don't mix): Package: dpkg Version: 1.3.5 The latest iteration of the tar package unfortunately is not able to understand the -- flag. I suggest you not use that flag in dpkg-source for now. Thanks for pointing out what was

Re: Bug#4202: dpkg chainsaw massacre

1996-08-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Thomas Koenig writes (Bug#4202: dpkg chainsaw massacre): ... When I tried to test-install the package, there were a few warnings, but dpkg happily overwrote /usr/lib with that particular text file. I'll eagerly await what fsck has to say about this. My apologies. I have fixed this in dpkg

Re: Debian Policy and Dpkg programmer's manuals

1996-08-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Bruce Perens asks me in private email: The policy and dpkg programers documents are very good. Can you get Ray to put these up on our web site ASAP? I'd like to, but I think the web site is all confused. I could be wrong. Does Matt Bailey still exist ? We've been waiting for him for several

Re: Documentation formats

1996-08-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Lars Wirzenius writes (Re: Documentation formats ): ... I'm not certain that distributing HTML with the packages and other formats separately is a good idea. I think it might be a better idea to continue as now and use on-line conversions from man and Info to HTML. Pre-converted HTML should be

Re: Draft manuals (qmail)

1996-08-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Raul Miller writes (Re: Draft manuals (qmail)): ... Perhaps it's reasonable to specify that every mail aware program supports the MAIL environmental variable. As qmail's default behavior is to deliver mail to ~user/Mailbox in standard unix mailbox format, this should suffice. But does it use

Re: Bug#4164: Ferret extended description has blank lines

1996-08-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Dale Scheetz writes (Re: Bug#4164: Ferret extended description has blank lines ): ... Objections to reporting something as a bug are not founded on this concept. No one feels personaly put down by a bug report. Those of us who object to trivial bug reports are more concerned about the

Re: exmh and Xauthority

1996-08-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Maarten Boekhold writes (exmh and Xauthority): ... # Generate a random key; Mui and Pearce offer a number of alternatives # for this. randomkey=`perl -e 'srand; printf int(rand(10))'` Do NOT do this. It results in a weak cookie, meaning that someone could fairly easily guess

Re: Shadow problems

1996-08-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Rob Browning writes (Re: Shadow problems): Miquel van Smoorenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can ofcourse make the new directory setgid (chmod g+s). All files created in that directory will have their gid set to that of the directory.. But I can see that using newgrp might be more

Re: Packaging questions (newbie)

1996-08-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Milan Zamazal writes (Packaging questions (newbie)): I'd like to contribute some packages, but I'd like to ask some questions first: 1. One of these packages is the replacement of `libX11.so'. Do I have to make whole alternative version of appropriate standard X package or is there some

Bug#2475: at' uses middle-endian 2-digit-year date format

1996-08-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Thomas Koenig writes (Bug#2475: at' uses middle-endian 2-digit-year date format): Date outputs from 'at' are mandated as date +%a %b %e %T %Y (i.e. Wed Aug 14 20:05:13 1996) by the Posix.2a draft I have, which is the date used in the upcoming release 3.0 of at(1). Yep, that's

Re: libpaper 1.0 on master

1996-08-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Yves Arrouye writes (Re: libpaper 1.0 on master): ... That's what libpaper does: use whatever paper size is in the PAPER env var, or if empty whatever name found in the file whose name is in the PAPERSIZE env var, or if this var is empty too look in /etc/papersize, defaulting to letter (sigh).

Re: Incorrectly locates packages

1996-08-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Michael Meskes writes (Incorrectly locates packages): ... Also, shouldn't the netscape and compress-package installer be moved to contrib, too? I know they are free, but to be of any use you have to get the some other software that is not free. So in fact they depend on it. Well at least the

Bug#660: GDB gets address wrong of struct member in memory breakpoint

1996-08-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Buddha M. D. Buck writes (Bug#660: GDB gets address wrong of struct member in memory breakpoint): I'm looking at the backlog of forgotten bugs, and have verified that this one still exists. The original report was for gdb 4.12, but Ian Jackson verified that the problem exists under 4.14

Bug#818: echo builtin doesn't check for write errors

1996-08-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Buddha M. D. Buck writes (Bug#818: echo builtin doesn't check for write errors): As of 1.14.6-4, this bug is still there... maybe $ type echo echo is a shell builtin $ echo foo /dev/full $ echo $? 0 $ cat /dev/zero /dev/full cat: write error: No space left on device $ echo $? 1 $

Bug#4218: Problems removing INN

1996-08-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Rob Leslie writes (Bug#4218: Problems removing INN): ... dpkg: error processing inn (--purge): cannot remove `/var/spool/news': Device or resource busy Would it be better if I made dpkg treat this as a warning ? It happens one of the directories in a package is a mount point. Ian.

Bug#4221: knews silently overwrites configuration file

1996-08-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Nils Rennebarth writes (Bug#4221: knews silently overwrites configuration file): Knews should handle an upgrade more intelligently and not simply overwrite the (possibly customized) /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/Knews configuration file. I know this is difficult to do right. A lot of

Re: Bruce - fiat required to end discussion on lyx/copyright ?

1996-08-25 Thread Ian Jackson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes (Re: Bruce - fiat required to end discussion on lyx/copyright ?): All packages in the Debian distribution proper must be freely useable, modifiable and redistributable in both source and binary form. It must be possible for anyone to distribute and

Re: Bruce - fiat required to end discussion on lyx/copyright ?

1996-08-25 Thread Ian Jackson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes (Re: Bruce - fiat required to end discussion on lyx/copyright ?): All packages in the Debian distribution proper must be freely useable, modifiable and redistributable in both source and binary form. It must be possible for anyone to distribute and

Re: Bruce - fiat required to end discussion on lyx/copyright ?

1996-08-25 Thread Ian Jackson
Michael Meskes writes (Re: Bruce - fiat required to end discussion on lyx/copyright ?): ... Ahem, this isn't exact enough IMO. With a standard Debian system I am able to rebuild LyX. You can't rebuild LyX entirely from source using only packages in the main Debian distribution. [...]

Re: Bug#4051: access permissions for /usr/bin/fdmount

1996-08-25 Thread Ian Jackson
Michael Meskes writes (Re: Bug#4051: access permissions for /usr/bin/fdmount): Ian Jackson writes: ... Compiling names of groups or even worse group ids into binaries is a bad idea. Why? Because it's not easy to change? It's hard to change and obscure. Policy is best implemented where

Re: Bruce - fiat required to end discussion on lyx/copyright ?

1996-08-25 Thread Ian Jackson
Dale Scheetz writes (Re: Bruce - fiat required to end discussion on lyx/copyright ?): [...] xforms is improperly located in contrib instead of non-free where it belongs (because source is not distributed). [...] Sourceless packages are fine to distribute in contrib, so long as the binaries

Re: dpkg 1.3.8: dpkg-buildpackage -sa works and is recommended

1996-08-25 Thread Ian Jackson
Peter Tobias asks me in private email: ... BTW: I didn't have much time the last weeks (and I won't have much time the next weeks) so I wasn't able to check if this new source format will also work for packages like netstd (packages which contain lots of sub packages each with its own original

Bug#4235: cpp, gcc, dpkg

1996-08-25 Thread Ian Jackson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes (Bug#4235: cpp, gcc, dpkg ): ^ was this intentional ? ... Somehow installation with dpkg-ftp and the new cpp uninstalled my gcc package and look how dpkg selects on a dselect update. This shouldn't happen. Somehow gcc is too easily uninstalled because

Re: Bug#4263: dpkg-source requires patch

1996-08-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Susan G. Kleinmann writes (Bug#4263: dpkg-source requires patch): ... # dpkg-source -x sgmlspm_1.03ii-2.dsc dpkg-source: extracting sgmlspm in sgmlspm-1.03ii dpkg-source: failure: exec patch: No such file or directory dpkg-source: failure: patch gave error exit status 2 ... patch is only

Re: $(ARCH)-debian-linux-gnu

1996-08-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Miquel van Smoorenburg writes (Re: $(ARCH)-debian-linux-gnu): ... The GNU configure scripts usually match on i[3456]86-*-*) for architecture support, so that's not a problem. I usually do something like: a = $(shell dpkg --print-architecture) ifeq (i386,$(a)) arch = i486-debian-linux

Re: Bug#4238: mirror requires perl

1996-08-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Dirk Eddelbuettel writes (Bug#4238: mirror requires perl): ... On the other hand, we seem to have (had ?) a policy of relying on (at least a rudimentary) perl in the base system --- but I cannot find anything on that in the programmers and policy manuals of dpkg-1.3.8. So should timezone.pl

Re: Bruce - fiat required to end discussion on lyx/copyright ?

1996-08-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Dale Scheetz writes (Re: Bruce - fiat required to end discussion on lyx/copyright ?): ... Pine is in non-free because it's copyright places restrictions on the distribution of source. Xforms has more severe restrictions on the distribution of source than pine does. It is my understanding that

Bug#4257: request-route would be better as conffile

1996-08-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Kevin M. Bealer writes (Bug#4257: request-route would be better as conffile): ... The modules packages contains a file /sbin/request-route. This is run by the kernel to create routes as needed. The script's comments suggest is it very configurable, and I usually configure it heavily ..

Re: Bug#4051: access permissions for /usr/bin/fdmount

1996-08-27 Thread Ian Jackson
Michael Meskes writes (Re: Bug#4051: access permissions for /usr/bin/fdmount): ... I have no problem with it being mode 4750 again. It should be 4754 - there's no point in stopping people reading it. (I've been saying 4754 all along, and this is what is in the policy manual.) ... No problem

Re: New virtual package names.

1996-08-27 Thread Ian Jackson
Dale Scheetz writes (Re: New virtual package names. ): ... Part of my concerns stem from the past history of ae. I have only recently taken over the maintainance of this package. When I got it, the essential field had been declaired a bug, but the discussion of that bug seemed to indicate that

Re: $(ARCH)-debian-linux-gnu

1996-08-27 Thread Ian Jackson
Juergen Menden writes to me in private email: ... well, unfortunately some packages (like ldso) need i386-linux and wouldn't like to match i486-linux. better might be ld.so is not a GNU package, is it ? It probably uses our own canonical architecture strings, which include i386 for intel, and

Re: $(ARCH)-debian-linux-gnu

1996-08-27 Thread Ian Jackson
Miquel van Smoorenburg writes (Re: $(ARCH)-debian-linux-gnu): You (Ian Jackson) wrote: Should I provide a command to do this automatically ? dpkg --print-gnu-build-architecture perhaps. Sure, why not. It would result in more consistency, and that's a Good Thing (TM

Bug#4218: Problems removing INN

1996-08-27 Thread Ian Jackson
Miquel van Smoorenburg writes (Re: Bug#4218: Problems removing INN): You (Ian Jackson) wrote: ... Would it be better if I made dpkg treat [EBUSY] as a warning ? (It happens one of the directories in a package is a mount point). Yes, I think so. Every directory can be a potential mountpoint

Re: Bruce - fiat required to end discussion on lyx/copyright ?

1996-08-27 Thread Ian Jackson
Susan G. Kleinmann writes (Re: Bruce - fiat required to end discussion on lyx/copyright ? ): ... This is my synopsis of the relevant parts of Chapter 2: Packages go into contrib if their copyrights or patents require that they: a. allow distribution of no source code b. allow

Bug#4298: arrow keys in dselect don't work after search

1996-08-27 Thread Ian Jackson
Joey Hess writes (Bug#4298: arrow keys in dselect don't work after search): ... I'm running dselect in an xterm. I go to the [S]elect part of it, and the up and down addor keys scroll through the list of packages. But when I type /mosaic\n, to search for mosaic, the arrow keys stop working.

Unanswered problem reports by maintainer and package

1996-08-28 Thread Ian Jackson
PROTECTED] (3 bugs): rc 3206 rc terminates on CTRL-C rc 3533 Problems encountered while building rc on m68k arch rc 3607 rc description: no ext Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] (3 bugs): bugs.debia 2296 debian-bugs WWW doesn't say how to find out Debian version

Bug#4326: smail can lose bounce messages

1996-08-28 Thread Ian Jackson
Package: smail Version: 3.1.29.1-14 Under certain obscure circumstances Smail can lose mail: When it needs to send a bounce message it reinvokes itself with the `-bS' flag, meaning to read SMTP commands from standard input but not to produce responses. It then feeds an SMTP `session' to the

Bug#4329: Emacs has hardcoded path for jka-compr, breaks at upgrade

1996-08-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Package: emacs Version: 19.31-2 I just upgraded from 19.29-3, and it left me with the following /etc/site-start.el: (load /usr/lib/emacs/19.29/lisp/jka-compr.elc) (if (file-exists-p /usr/lib/emacs/site-lisp/w3-init.el) (load w3-init)) (autoload 'lout-mode lout-mode Mode for editing Lout source

Re: dpkg-buildpackage and -source questions

1996-08-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Karl Sackett writes (dpkg-buildpackage and -source questions): Regarding the -r option for dpkg-buildpackage, are there any examples of what's called for here? Is the gain-root-command something each developer provides for himself, or is there a command or shell somewhere that performs this

Bug#4335: cat -vET is lossy - there should be a non-lossy version

1996-08-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Package: textutils Version: 1.17-2 -chiark:~ echo -e 'hi^IthereM-z\011hi' | cat -vET hi^IthereM-z^Ihi$ -chiark:~ As you can see, it's not possible to distinguish a single escaped control character ^something or M-something from the corresponding sequence of printable characters. There should be

Re: dpkg-buildpackage and -source questions

1996-08-30 Thread Ian Jackson
If you get this message: dpkg-source: error: tarfile `./exmh_1.6.9.orig.tar.gz' contains object with newline in its name (exmh-1.6.9.orig/?exmh-1.6.9.orig/exmh.README?exmh-1.6.9.orig/COPYRIGHT?exmh-1.6.9.orig/e...(rest of output deleted) You should upgrade your cpio. Unfortunately the

Unanswered problem reports by date

1996-08-31 Thread Ian Jackson
a PostScript f Sven Rudolph [EMAIL PROTECTED] 911 libc4 libc causes rsh to fail on com (unknown -- `libc') 957 dpkg dpkg should automatically log Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] OVER 14 MONTHS OLD - ATTENTION IS REQUIRED: Ref PackageKeywords/Subject Package maintainer

Re: 96 New Debian i386 Packages

1996-08-31 Thread Ian Jackson
Michael Meskes writes (Re: 96 New Debian i386 Packages): Ian Jackson writes: Can we please have a statement on what we should do ? I think we should post the release announcements to debian-changes as well has having the summary postings. If people want just the summaries we should

Re: Bug#4261: Ghostview and virtual package postscript_viewer

1996-08-31 Thread Ian Jackson
Brian C. White writes (Re: Bug#4261: Ghostview and virtual package postscript_viewer): ... Yes, [something] _is_ what should be done. install-mime handles multiple entries for the same mime-type. Thus, if both ghostview and gv get installed, the user is given the choice of which is to have

Bug#4356: menu-bar-mode flag argument is inconsistent with universe

1996-08-31 Thread Ian Jackson
Package: emacs Version: 19.31-2 I used to have in my startup files (menu-bar-mode nil) which used to turn off menu bars. In 19.31 this has changed so that `nil' doesn't have the desired effect. Instead, you have to supply a negative number ! This is totally inconsistent with almost every

Re: Bug#4204: cron does not install if /usr/sbin/cron does not exist!?

1996-08-31 Thread Ian Jackson
Steve Greenland writes (Re: Bug#4204: cron does not install if /usr/sbin/cron does not exist!?): Yves Arrouye wrote: ... marin13# dpkg -i cron_3.0pl1-33.deb (Reading database ... 0 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace cron (using

Re: /usr/local (again)

1996-08-31 Thread Ian Jackson
Richard Kaszeta writes (/usr/local (again)): ... Since packages generally don't install anything other than empty dirs in /usr/local, can't this be handled in a way that makes it easier for those of us trying to maintain many debian machines? Section 3.2.9 of the policy manual may be

Manuals other than as HTML in the dpkg*.deb file

1996-08-31 Thread Ian Jackson
I've asked this question before, but noone seemed to want to answer me, so I'm asking again: It would be good for the dpkg manuals to be on the Debian web pages. How do I organise this ? I can (for example) ship a .tar.gz of the HTML files with each dpkg upload. I'd like to distribute

Re: FAQ: Work-Needing and Prospective Packages

1996-08-31 Thread Ian Jackson
Sven Rudolph writes (FAQ: Work-Needing and Prospective Packages): ... 1. General Questions 1.1.What is Debian GNU/Linux [etc] Sven, did you receive my message below ? Ian. --- start of forwarded message (RFC 934 encapsulation) --- Newsgroups:

Re: New virtual package names.

1996-08-31 Thread Ian Jackson
Dale Scheetz writes (Re: New virtual package names. ): ... Well, I'm pretty sure that Bill didn't just wake up one morning and say Wow! That essential field sure is neat! Let's put it in ae! My assumption was that this was an attempt to keep ae in the system. I think that Bill was under the

Re: Bug#4051: access permissions for /usr/bin/fdmount

1996-08-31 Thread Ian Jackson
Michael Meskes writes (Re: Bug#4051: access permissions for /usr/bin/fdmount): Ian Jackson writes: ... Err, I strongly suggest that you compile the group check out of the executable. This is only likely to lead to confusion. I think I understand what you mean. But is it really that bad

Bug tracking system's outgoing mail

1996-08-31 Thread Ian Jackson
I have reconfigured the sub-MTA in my home directory on master which is used by the bug tracking system. (I have Smail installed in my filespace because qmail's sendmail command line emulation is broken and using Smail as a gateway to the system's real MTA was easier than trying to parse RFC822

Bug#4329: Emacs has hardcoded path for jka-compr, breaks at upgrade

1996-08-31 Thread Ian Jackson
Mark W. Eichin writes (Re: Bug#4329: Emacs has hardcoded path for jka-compr, breaks at upgrade): Did you upgrade from 19.29-3 to 19.31-2 as indicated in your message, or to 19.34-2, which is current? 19.34-2 hasn't reached my local mirror yet. Isn't it still in Incoming ? (I ask, because I

Re: dpkg-buildpackage and -source questions

1996-08-31 Thread Ian Jackson
Dale Scheetz writes (Re: dpkg-buildpackage and -source questions): On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Ian Jackson wrote: If you get this message [deleted] you should upgrade your cpio. [...] This resolved the problem for me. At least at this point I can unpack hello ok. Shouldn't dpkg have a depends

Re: [linux-alert] LSF Update#13: Vulnerability of mount/umount utilities from util-linux 2.5

1996-08-31 Thread Ian Jackson
the version.) C. There are some packages where the Debian source is the upstream source. In this case there will be no .diff.gz and you can just use the .tar.gz. If a .dsc is provided you can use `dpkg-source -x'. -- Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat, 31 Aug 1996

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