FWD: /usr/doc vs. /usr/share/doc - the decision

1999-08-04 Thread Joey Hess
Hello. Some may consider this email an abuse of this mailing list. To those, I apologize in advance. The purpose of this email is to make sure everyone knows that the debian-policy list is currently in deep discussion (and argument) over how to handle the transition to /usr/share/doc. If this

transition from suidmanager to dpkg-statoverride

2001-01-10 Thread Joey Hess
Dpkg 1.8.x in unstable supports a new dpkg-statoverride mechanism that allows the permissions and owners of any file to be overridden, in a manner that is persistent accross upgrades. We are now ready to begin the transition from suidmanager to the new mechanism. Today suidregister 0.50 was

debhelper: best practice changes

2003-03-04 Thread Joey Hess
If you do not use debhelper or are busy, you may hit n now. Nothing here is urgent. I want to bring everyone up to date on some changes in best practices for using debhelper. All new features described herein are available in the version of debhelper shipped with Debian 3.0 (woody), so you do not

debian-installer status report

2003-12-12 Thread Joey Hess
In case you've not heard of it, debian-installer is the next-generation Debian installation system that is targeted to be the installer for sarge. Its home page: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer This is a periodic status report. The first beta release back on November 9th was rather

debian-installer beta 3 released

2004-03-16 Thread Joey Hess
this one is the best one yet! For the Debian Installer team, Joey Hess signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Debian-Installer beta 4 released for 9 architectures

2004-04-30 Thread Joey Hess
The Debian-Installer team announces the fourth beta release of the Debian sarge installer. Notable improvements in this release include: - Support for the arm, hppa, and mipsel architectures, bringing the number of supported architectures to 9. (The mips architecture is not yet ready for

Debian Weekly News - 12 to 18 Jan 1999

1999-01-19 Thread Joey Hess
list. [26]Back issues of this newsletter are available. _ Copyright © 1999 by [27]Joey Hess, with contributions from Brandon Mitchel and Robert de Forest This newsletter is free software; you can redistribute

announcing the beginning of security support for testing

2005-09-09 Thread Joey Hess
--- Debian Testing Security TeamSeptember 9th, 2005 secure-testing-team@lists.alioth.debian.org http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/

Re: xntp3: init script is not very policy-compliant

1998-06-17 Thread Joey Hess
Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote: I think we need a way to install a package without automatically having its server part configured and running. This is needed in many packages (e.g.: ssh). I agree. This is also an issue when you do something like dpkg --root=/mnt -i foo.deb -- when you do that,

Re: xntp3: init script is not very policy-compliant

1998-06-17 Thread Joey Hess
Raul Miller wrote: Briefly, this command line: f=/tmp/fifo; rm -f $f; mkfifo $f; ( sleep 100 $f 0$f ); sleep 2; echo $f will kill your interactive shell I'm a bit surprised to find this, um.. undocumented feature in three shells of supposedly different lineage. I should note that it

copyright question

1998-06-17 Thread Joey Hess
I would like to package a set of large mouse cursor fonts for X. These are useful on a laptop, where the cursor's hard to see. The fonts appear to be the standard X cursor fonts, scaled up by certian factors (so they are a little blocky). As such, I expect they come under the same license as the

pgp key signing howto

1998-06-17 Thread Joey Hess
Jonathan Walther [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked me to post the URL of this little faq on how to exchange pgp public keys: http://god.ml.org/~robert/HOWTO-PGP-Key-Signing Please reply to him. -- see shy jo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

how to disable locales?

1998-06-17 Thread Joey Hess
dpkg-repack needs to parse some dpkg output that is internationalized. So I need to force dpkg to output this in english. There seem to be a lot of variables that control which language is used, LANG, LC_ALL, LC_MESSAGES, etc. Which of these do I need to unset before running dpkg? -- see shy jo

Re: Intent to do SOMETHING with: p2c

1998-06-18 Thread Joey Hess
Robert Woodcock wrote: My personal opinion on this is that p2c in it's current state should be removed from hamm. It's completely broken, as it depends on a non-existant package that was removed from hamm during the freeze because, of all things, a lintian error: * #19382: libp2c1:

where is sed in slink?

1998-06-19 Thread Joey Hess
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/debian/home/ftp/debian/dists/slinkfind | grep sed ./main/binary-alpha/base/sed_2.05-22.deb ./main/binary-m68k/base/sed_2.05-22.deb ./main/binary-powerpc/base/sed_2.05-22.deb ./main/binary-sparc/base/sed_2.05-22.deb Available for all architectures but i386!? A lot of other

Re: libc6_2.0.7 release notes...

1998-06-21 Thread Joey Hess
Dale Scheetz wrote: In both cases 1 and 3 at least the glibc packages need to be upgraded by hand. This should be advertised heavily. No. We should not break the system in this way. We should support the already large installed base we have for hamm, and not make them do things by hand. The

Re: problem w/ dh_movefiles

1998-06-21 Thread Joey Hess
Shaleh wrote: I am packaging fnlib for E (doing it right for once) and have run into a snag. There are a fwe files that fnlib uses that have odd names. Things like '{.tiff', and .tiff and even ..tiff. When dh_movefiles tries do do its work, it fails with a unexpected EOF. I am sure it is

Re: where is sed in slink?

1998-06-22 Thread Joey Hess
Carey Evans wrote: I don't think slink is supposed to have all the links into hamm yet, is it? I thought I convinced Guy about 2 months ago to make those links. Guess I was mistaken. -- see shy jo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: where is sed in slink?

1998-06-23 Thread Joey Hess
Craig Sanders wrote: i remember the discussion, but the links were never made. i stopped caring about it when i found that apt could use both frozen and unstablesolves the problem without having to wait for our overworked ftp site manager. Unfortunately, that doesn't help me, since

Re: intent to package: rplay

1998-06-23 Thread Joey Hess
This sounds idential to nas, which is already in debian. Is it the same thing? Package: nas Status: install ok installed Priority: optional Section: sound Installed-Size: 1612 Maintainer: Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Version: 1.2p5-2 Depends: libc6, xlib6g (= 3.3-5) Conffiles:

Re: Switch to perl-5.005_02 ?

1998-10-03 Thread Joey Hess
Darren Stalder wrote: BTW, Joey, some of my projects could *really* use threaded Perl as well. But it's considered experimental in 5.005 and just isn't up to snuff in a production environment. Do you have any plans to offer it as something like /usr/bin/perl-t? (or would modules need to be

Re: Switch to perl-5.005_02 ?

1998-10-03 Thread Joey Hess
Darren/Torin/Who Ever... wrote: It will be available as /usr/bin/perl5.00502-thread. I could manage the /usr/bin/perl-t as alternatives. Well /usr/bin/perl-thread is probably a better name. Any debian packages and all architecture dependent packages will have to be recompiled. Do you

FWD: Re: Linus is on a powertrip..

1998-10-03 Thread Joey Hess
This is from the linux kernel mailing list. I find it pretty completly sums op my thoughts on all the new constitution and voting and policy voting stuff that we've been setting up. I haven't been vocal about this, but I think we've been moving in the wrong direction. Of course, this came up on

Re: [mazzocch@pop.systemy.it: [FYI] Cool Changes in JDK1.2b4]

1998-10-03 Thread Joey Hess
Ean R . Schuessler wrote: This comes from the Apache-Jserv list. Now, what I am wondering is if JServ continues to ignore free Java VMs and Sun continues its irresponsible development of the Java standard in the same secret way it has been, should JServ be considered non-free? In other

Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Joey Hess
Ben Gertzfield wrote: Spencer Aste Additional Voice so we really don't have that many more choices.. Hmm, I think debian 2.1 (additional voice) has a nice ring to it. :-P -- see shy jo

Re: FWD: Re: Linus is on a powertrip..

1998-10-03 Thread Joey Hess
Kai Henningsen wrote: Linus is the main developer for Linux. That makes him a good benevolent dictator. Debian does not have a main developer; Ian has a political, not a technical, job. Linus's position is just as political as Ian's, it's just not so obvious because the difference in the

Re: Switch to perl-5.005_02 ?

1998-10-04 Thread Joey Hess
Manoj Srivastava wrote: That *is* a problem. I would like to have both on my machine: the normal perl for production, and the threaded one to prototype with. According to the mail I got from the maintainer, that is what he plans to do. /usr/bin/perl and /usr/bin/perl-thread, no

Re: How about using bzip2 as the standard *.deb compression format?

1998-10-07 Thread Joey Hess
Joseph Carter wrote: I doubt it would compile on my 4 meg 486. Nor would it run there. I've ran X on 2 mb. (shoot me.. please.. ;-) -- see shy jo

wanted: calamaris

1998-10-07 Thread Joey Hess
Calamaris is an analyzer for squid log files, that generates nice reports. http://www.detmold.netsurf.de/homepages/cord/tools/squid/calamaris/ I don't have time to package it, though - any takers? -- see shy jo

Re: Finding a source package

1998-10-07 Thread Joey Hess
Guy Maor wrote: I'm suggesting that dpkg-scanpackages scan the dscs and put the section and version in the Source field, or perhaps add a new field Dsc which is simply the full path to the dsc, akin to the Filename field. Then downloading the source for a package is simple. The web pages

Re: Contacting authors

1998-10-07 Thread Joey Hess
Martin Schulze wrote: What do you think about it? Example: [EMAIL PROTECTED] would redirect the mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] who is the current developer of hypermail. It seems like a good idea in general. The only 2 problems I can see are that we would have to keep track of authors changing

Re: dpkg-dev: dpkg-shlibdeps doesn't work within fakeroot

1998-10-10 Thread Joey Hess
Adam P. Harris wrote: Ok. Of course, you are right ;) I've added (= 2.0.7u) to /var/lib/dpkg/info/fakeroot.shlibs and now it works, but I think dpkg-shlibdeps should know that libc6, libc6 (= 2.0.7u) should be libc6 (= 2.0.7u). Anyway, I don't know much about how shlibs stuff works...

Re: Odd dependancy situation with libc6 and libc6-dev

1998-10-13 Thread Joey Hess
FWIW, I ran into the exact same thing today and apt corrected it. Ben Gertzfield wrote: Wow. I was installing some slink packages today with dpkg on my hamm system, and I got myself into a wacky situation. I'd had the latest hamm versions of libc6 and libc6-dev (2.0.7t-1) installed. I

Re: Bug#27823: proftpd: non-maintainer upload (alpha) diffs

1998-10-14 Thread Joey Hess
[ Moving this to debian-devel, discussion doesn't belong in the bug report. ] James Troup wrote: There is no i386 port in as much as i386 maintainers 99.5% of the time _don't_ compile packages from scratch, which is when over 50% of the problems (at least on m68k, and judging by the diff's

wanted package: perl CPAN readline module

1998-10-14 Thread Joey Hess
Evidently CPAN has a Term-ReadLine package that makes the standard Term::ReadLine module in perl actually have readline features. I wonder if someone familiar with CPAN packages would be interested in packaging this up for debian? I'd do it myself but I don't know much about CPAN, and I maintain

Re: wanted package: perl CPAN readline module

1998-10-14 Thread Joey Hess
Ben Gertzfield wrote: I'm pretty familiar with CPAN packages. I can package up either Term::ReadLine::Gnu or Term::ReadLine::Perl, or both. They're currently the only modules available that make Term::ReadLine effective. Yes, please :-) What's the difference between the ::Gnu and ::Perl

Re: wanted package: perl CPAN readline module

1998-10-14 Thread Joey Hess
Ben Gertzfield wrote: Heh, oddly enough the Term::ReadLine::Perl module's source name will have to be: libterm-readline-perl-perl Why not just call it libterm-readline-perl -- it's not going to conflict with something else.. -- see shy jo

Re: Bug#27823: proftpd: non-maintainer upload (alpha) diffs

1998-10-14 Thread Joey Hess
James Troup wrote: They don't compile from freshly unpacked source. How odd. Other maintainer must work substantially differently than I, then. Another thing is that i386 maintainers _won't_ notice is two of our most common problems: YAFHIC386 in debian/control's Architecture and

Re: gdselect alpha 3

1998-10-14 Thread Joey Hess
Are there any plans to merge this with apt? Seems gdselect has the frontend, and apt has the backend. -- see shy jo

Re: Intent to package: slocate

1998-10-15 Thread Joey Hess
Robert Woodcock wrote: As featured on Bugtraq and recently Freshmeat, slocate is a replacement for locate/updatedb. It keeps track of UID's for files so that people can't see other people's hidden stuff, while still seeing their own. I'll have it create a diversion for /usr/bin/locate and

Re: what's after slink

1998-10-15 Thread Joey Hess
theone wrote: Names after Slink is very simple. They should just be named after userfriendly characters. Oooh.. that means our releases would even have their own geek code blocks (http://www.userfriendly.org/cast/) ;-) dust_puppy pitr aj chief cobb erwin greg hillary mike smiling_man stef

Re: Bug#27823: proftpd: non-maintainer upload (alpha) diffs

1998-10-16 Thread Joey Hess
James Troup wrote: Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: James Troup wrote: They don't compile from freshly unpacked source. How odd. Other maintainer must work substantially differently than I, then. If you're building foobar 1.1-3, do you really recompile from a freshly unpacked

Re: Bug#27823: proftpd: non-maintainer upload (alpha) diffs

1998-10-16 Thread Joey Hess
Manoj Srivastava wrote: Really? I use cvs, and hence all my packages are indeed built from scratch. I was under the impression that more and more people are etting converted to CVS, but I guess that is wishful thinking. Well I don't use cvs, but my hand-crafted version control and

Re: Bug#27823: proftpd: non-maintainer upload (alpha) diffs

1998-10-16 Thread Joey Hess
James Troup wrote: Who said they were bad? You did. A few days ago you agreed that bin-only NMU's were not ideal. I can't dig it up right now. They are very rarely necessary however, since 99.5% of the time (the only exception I know of is Hartmut's packages) i386 packages are already

Re: Bug#27823: proftpd: non-maintainer upload (alpha) diffs

1998-10-16 Thread Joey Hess
Hartmut Koptein wrote: 1. binary-only NMUs breaks policity Probably. 2. every NMU must be with source I hope. 3. Porters needn't to ask maintainers for permission No-one has to ask for permission for a NMU. That's the point of a NMU. You file a bug, you wait a reasonable time, if

Re: Slink not installable from CDs

1998-10-16 Thread Joey Hess
Avery Pennarun wrote: I can whip up something like that if someone can feed me the FTP statistics. One set of stats is available at http://www.lh.umu.se/~bjorn/linux/debian/toplist.packagesnoversion.txt that's only for one ftp mirror, though. -- see shy jo

Re: Bug#27823: proftpd: non-maintainer upload (alpha) diffs

1998-10-16 Thread Joey Hess
Hartmut Koptein wrote: Ahhh! Now you have it! This is very bad! Because: low on time, low on hd space, low brain :-), and so on ... Forget it then. This is not possible. (Reminder: porters (i) talk about 200 packages, and after my list 'work for developers' only two people get in

Re: Bug#27823: proftpd: non-maintainer upload (alpha) diffs

1998-10-16 Thread Joey Hess
James Troup wrote: i.e. I can't actually respond to this, so I'll dismiss it as flames. Good effort. Ie, you weren't talking to me and I have better things to do with my life. One wonders why you don't. Thisporting effort seems to lead to a lot of bitter people being involved in it. One

Re: Developers in Cali...

1999-01-19 Thread Joey Hess
Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote: OK, in the past week or so I've seen several people posting from California. Has anyone thought of having a gathering in some semi-central location? Get to know faces, sign keys, etc? I would be interested. If a convenient day were picked and the meeting

Re: Dpkg Update Proposal

1999-01-20 Thread Joey Hess
fantumn Steven Baker wrote: have this little g (imlib and fnlib come to mind). Since libc5 exists for the most part only in the hearts of the Slackware users, this 'g' thing can be dropped. No it can't. Please consider backwards compatability. Another problem with this is that many

Re: Dpkg Update Proposal

1999-01-20 Thread Joey Hess
Manoj Srivastava wrote: What exactly are you attempting to solve here that has not already been solved? He's trying to solve the fact that we have package names like libgtk1.1.11 and slang0.99.38. Why do CVS based packages need a special name? I am missing something here. Do

how rpm does it (Re: Dpkg Update Proposal)

1999-01-20 Thread Joey Hess
As I said before, rpm does have the capability to install 2 different versions of a package simulantaneously. Here's how it works, to the best of my knowledge. User interface: Rpm differentiates between installing a package and upgrading a package. Installing a package (rpm -i) simply unpacks

Re: how rpm does it (Re: Dpkg Update Proposal)

1999-01-21 Thread Joey Hess
Anthony Wong wrote: |Oh and by the way, this user interface tends to confuse new users (at least |it did me) who accidentially install many versions of the same package |because they arn't aware they should be upgrading it instead. Because you already have the Debian way in your mind when

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free -- non-dfsg)

1999-01-21 Thread Joey Hess
I think it's not necessary that a developer agree with the DFSG. It should be enough that they indicate they understand it and will abide by it in what they produce for debian. -- see shy jo

getting kernel 2.2 into slink

1999-01-21 Thread Joey Hess
Would anyone object if kernel 2.2 were packaged up at least as a kernel-source package for slink? 2.0.3x would remain slink's default kernel, would be used on the boot disks, etc, but this would let people get ahold of kernel 2.2 easily on a debian cdrom, and it would let us say that debian

Re: I'm a concerned about slink. specifically jdk1.1, idraw, and xaw-wrappers

1999-01-21 Thread Joey Hess
Dale E. Martin wrote: went to bugs.debian.org and it has a bug (only 7 days old this time) explaining the problem (I _was_ using nextaw) and how to work around it. For the life of me, xaw-wrappers won't work. Even for stuff I didn't set up. For instance, if I run xkeycaps (which uses

Re: Intent to package rolldice, blackjack

1999-01-22 Thread Joey Hess
Joseph Carter wrote: Or if you're really crazy, you could allow optional + or - to affect the total, if that were -d12 above the total would be 21 for example.. If it doesn't do EVERYTHING by that point, what more can be said? = Yes, I think it needs to include a calculator things like 3d6 +

Re: getting kernel 2.2 into slink

1999-01-22 Thread Joey Hess
Wichert Akkerman wrote: I noticed, otherwise you get some weird resource busy-error. Didn't help though. My hardware isn't evil special.. (standard sb16 clone) Unfortunatly, this is as evil as it gets. According to the current kernel docs, there is no such thing as a SB 16 clone. There are a

Re: getting kernel 2.2 into slink

1999-01-22 Thread Joey Hess
Brian White wrote: [kernel image] No. We had enough problems upgrading from 2.0.35 to 2.0.36. This would be a major change and have corresponding reprocussions. I'm sure it's very stable, but it will have incompatibilities. No-one's saying this would be the default kernel. I think including

Re: Bug#27050 (fdutils): A cause for security concern?

1999-01-22 Thread Joey Hess
Ben Collins wrote: Any program that is suid or sgid for no reason what-so-ever is always a reason for a bug report, especially if it's suid root...we need some automatic catch for new packages that have suid or sgid binaries in them, or call suidregister. Lintian can serve as a check for the

Re: Dpkg Update Proposal

1999-01-22 Thread Joey Hess
Craig Sanders wrote: i agree. in fact, it's more like a solution searching for a problem than even a superficial problem. It's a problem that is only evident to people who haven't lived with it for years. That doesn't mean it's not a problem. from the descriptions that have been posted of how

Re: getting kernel 2.2 into slink

1999-01-22 Thread Joey Hess
Brian White wrote: Disclamers are of marginal use. It will appear as installable and tell people to install me just as an elevator buttun tells people push me. Installing a kernel 2.2 source package just dumps a tar file in /usr/src. I don't see how this could break a system. Actually building

Re: Dpkg Update Proposal

1999-01-22 Thread Joey Hess
Craig Sanders wrote: 300 sounds like a lot...are you including all shared libs and -dev and -altdev packages? No, I was just including everything that ended with a number. That excludes the -dev packages and it probably includes some things that don't belong. As I said, it's a crude count. in

Re: getting kernel 2.2 into slink

1999-01-23 Thread Joey Hess
Brian White wrote: Actually, when I wrote that message we were talking about an image package. Aha! Well I agree with it WRT images. -- see shy jo

Re: what needs to be policy?

1999-01-23 Thread Joey Hess
Raul Miller wrote: Policy should be rather broad in scope and concise in expression. Amen. -- see shy jo

Re: Debian logo its license

1999-01-24 Thread Joey Hess
Robert Woodcock wrote: You are licensed to use and distribute modified versions of this logo to refer to or advertise debian. Note that this fails DFSG point #6. I believe this was the original intent. We shouldn't license our logo by any license that does not comply with the DFSG. To do so

Re: Debian logo its license

1999-01-25 Thread Joey Hess
Jonathan P Tomer wrote: is the name debian a registered trademark? I think so. if it is, wouldn't it be sensible to do the same for the logo? I agree. I think trademarking the logo will allow us to prevent misuse and at the same time allow us to give it a DFSG-free copyright. -- see shy jo

Debian booth at linuxworld, volenteers wanted

1999-01-26 Thread Joey Hess
I just received confirmation that LinuxCentral is funding a booth at the LinuxWorld expo for debian. I'll be organizing it and I'm still looking for more volenteers to help man the booth so let me know if you'll be attending LinuxWorld. I'm also looking for a source to donate some CD's to give

Re: Debian booth at linuxworld, volenteers wanted

1999-01-26 Thread Joey Hess
Dale E. Martin wrote: Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just received confirmation that LinuxCentral is funding a booth at the LinuxWorld expo for debian. I'll be organizing it and I'm still looking for more volenteers to help man the booth so let me know if you'll be attending

WARNING: Re: debhelper /usr/bin/passwd

1999-01-26 Thread Joey Hess
Good greif. I'm sorry about this snafu. You weren't hit by an exploit attempt, just by a debhelper package I managed to leave some junk in. This is fixed in version 1.2.29, and it only affected version 1.2.28. Background: Yesterday I fixed a bug in dh_link, bug #23255. That bug concerns

Re: WARNING: Re: debhelper /usr/bin/passwd

1999-01-26 Thread Joey Hess
Joey Hess wrote: I'd say installing debhelper 1.2.28 with --force-conflicts is a _very_ bad idea. Unfortunatly, it looks like the current version of dpkg has --force-overwrite (which is what I meant to say above) enabled by default. And so anyone who ran dselect in the past 24 hours

Re: Getting Slink compatible with Linux-2.2.0

1999-01-26 Thread Joey Hess
Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: I'm forced to ask: what for? I'm forced to agree. Support for swap partitions 128 mb is a new feature; a mkswap that doesn't support it isn't a major incompatability. Few people will need the feature anyway, and if they do need it the simple workaround is to use

Re: Intent-to-package: XGGI

1999-01-27 Thread Joey Hess
Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote: XGGI is an X server based on XF86 code that will run under any supported libGGI target. Currently, other than a few XF 3.3.3.1 compliance points, XGGI works fine; it's been tested with the X target, the fb target, the emu target. shall I go on? I don't

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-27 Thread Joey Hess
Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On 27 Jan 1999, Alexandre Oliva wrote: Having libtool default to -rpath is what's causing problems. This is IMHO completely backwards :-) You know, I seem to remember that there is another rather unpleasent side-effect of rpath - it basically completely

Re: Call for mascot! :-)

1999-01-28 Thread Joey Hess
Edward John M. Brocklesby wrote: 1. Dragon (well-liked choice on IRC) Obviously a dragon is the best choice. 2. Octopus (my own suggestion) Too complex. Er, less complex than a _dragon_! Anyone can draw a recognizable octopus, drawing a decent dragon takes some talent. -- see shy

Re: Call for mascot! :-)

1999-01-28 Thread Joey Hess
Steve Lamb wrote: Octopi are real, dragons are mytical. I am more apt to see something real flying through the air, no matter how improbable, than something mythical, which I cannot ever see at all. Well I for one have seen dragons fly. (Dragon kites, that is.) -- see shy jo

Re: cron has gone to UTC time?

1999-01-29 Thread Joey Hess
Craig Sanders wrote: i've noticed this behaviour in the past, when xntp gets upgraded in the same dselect run as cron or sysklogd. I doubt this is it because I've experienced the problem on 2 machines; neither runs xntpd or any other time synchronization program. -- see shy jo

Re: xfree86_3.3.2.3a-9 (source i386 all) uploaded to master

1999-01-29 Thread Joey Hess
Branden Robinson wrote: xfree86 (3.3.2.3a-9) frozen unstable; urgency=medium . snip 189 line changelog Wow! I wondered if this is the biggest debian changelog ever. It is, here are the other contenders: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/debian3/lintian/laboratory/binaryfind -name changelog | \

Re: xfree86_3.3.2.3a-9 (source i386 all) uploaded to master

1999-01-29 Thread Joey Hess
Joey Hess wrote: (changelog-length-parser is atached) Well it is now anyway. -- see shy jo #!/usr/bin/perl # Feed this program a list of debian changelogs. It will parse each, looking # at the entries, and emit a running count of how long each individual # changelog entry is. This was written

stupid stats (was Re: xfree86_3.3.2.3a-9 (source i386 all) uploaded to master)

1999-01-29 Thread Joey Hess
packages which would have inflated the hit count for people maintining multiple binary packages. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/debian3/lintian/laboratory/binaryfind -name changelog \ |xargs perl ~/changelog-maint-parser |sort |uniq -c |sort -r |less 1307 Joey Hess 626 Christoph Lameter 361

Re: stupid stats (was Re: xfree86_3.3.2.3a-9 (source i386 all) uploaded to master)

1999-01-30 Thread Joey Hess
David Welton wrote: Well, often times, those packages are more complex than single binary packages. No way is epic as difficult to maintain as X, yet, if I'm not mistaken, they each have just one source package. It would be neat to do both stats, and then compare. I actually did the other

Re: i18n'g the Debian Menu System

1999-01-30 Thread Joey Hess
Have you looked at how the author of the package intended this to be handled? See /etc/menu-methods/translate-menus. An example from that file: #translate id-title # include /usr/lib/menus/LANGUAGE/finnish # menu/apps/editors TekstVeranderaars #endtranslate This can make translating the

Re: Ian's solution [was: What hack in ld.so?]

1999-01-31 Thread Joey Hess
Gordon Matzigkeit wrote: There's been so much traffic on this thread, that I suspect most people have missed the fact that Ian Lance Taylor has analyzed and *solved* the problems with interaction between libtool and libc5-compat shared libraries. I don't think this adresses the core problem.

Re: Ian's solution [was: What hack in ld.so?]

1999-01-31 Thread Joey Hess
Joey Hess wrote: * Program xfoo is linked with libXaw.so * -rpath is used so it's hard coded to look for this library in /usr/X11R6/lib/ * The user of program xfoo wants to use the xaw3d widget set with it instead of the default libXaw.so. They expect to be able to set LD_PRELOAD

Re: WARNING: Re: debhelper /usr/bin/passwd

1999-01-31 Thread Joey Hess
Brian May wrote: Unfortunatly, it looks like the current version of dpkg has --force-overwrite (which is what I meant to say above) enabled by default. And so anyone who ran dselect in the past 24 hours and upgraded from unstable has probably beeen bitten by this bad package. Can you be

Re: List of bugs that *must* be fixed before releasing Slink

1999-02-01 Thread Joey Hess
Wichert Akkerman wrote: general 28850 gettext: security problem when used in setuid programs [0] (debian-devel@lists.debian.org) Everyone who has a package with a setuid program or something that runs as root should check if it uses gettext, and if so recompile it with the

Re: kernel packages skeleton

1999-05-11 Thread Joey Hess
Wichert Akkerman wrote: I've finally gotten around to making a simple skeleton for packaging kernel modules. When I have some more free time I'll expand it a bit and write some documentation to go with it. Oh, and I might test it since it's currently completely untested :). Anyway, for the

Re: doc-base and obnoxious unknown format warnings

1999-05-12 Thread Joey Hess
Ben Gertzfield wrote: Is there any way we can make the default for doc-base to *not* warn on these unknown formats? Frankly, it's just ugly as all get-out. :) --- /usr/sbin/install-docs Sat Jan 2 01:48:28 1999 +++ ./install-docs Wed May 12 15:27:12 1999 @@ -624,7 +624,7 @@ }

ITP: rxvp

1999-05-14 Thread Joey Hess
Rxvp is a validating XML parser. It's GPL'd. The code is already present in Debian in non-free as part of festival (oddly, with a BSD-ish copyright); I intend to package it as standalone code and possibly as a shared library programs like festival can link to. -- see shy jo

Re: ITP: rxvp

1999-05-14 Thread Joey Hess
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rxvp is a validating XML parser. It's GPL'd. The code is already present in Debian in non-free as part of festival (oddly, with a BSD-ish copyright); I intend to package it as standalone code and possibly as a shared library programs like festival can link to.

Re: ITP: rxvp

1999-05-14 Thread Joey Hess
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that rxp? I had announced an intent to package two months ago (never appeared in wnpp). If you want it, have fun. The project I was going to use it for has dried up. In fact, the v in rxvp seems to be a figment of my imagination. :-) The package is rxp. -- see

weekly policy summary

1999-05-14 Thread Joey Hess
Proposer: Chris Waters Seconders: Joey Hess, Karl M. Hegbloom Status: stalled Description: Identical to proposal #36051, with addition of top-level Help menu. Bug: 37233 Title: FORMAL structure for DEBIAN-POLICY debate Posted: 07 May 1999 Proposer: Gordon Matzigkeit Seconders: Status: rejected

Re: Emacs, RMS and sex(6)

1999-05-18 Thread Joey Hess
Joseph Carter wrote: The funny manpages (sex, condom, etc) are already in funny-manpages. They probably should NOT be in emacs. Hm, here's something interesting. Funny-manpages and sex (the editor) both install a sex.1 manpage, in /usr/man and /usr/X11R6/man, respectively. Man seems to display

Re: Emacs, RMS and sex(6)

1999-05-18 Thread Joey Hess
Package: funny-manpages Joseph Carter wrote: Hm, here's something interesting. Funny-manpages and sex (the editor) both install a sex.1 manpage, in /usr/man and /usr/X11R6/man, respectively. Man seems to display the /usr/X11R6/man one in preference to the other. Unless you use man -a, the

Re: Emacs, RMS and sex(6)

1999-05-18 Thread Joey Hess
Joey Hess wrote: The emacs page is in section 6.. Maybe the funny manpages version should move to section 6 as well? That seems like an excellent idea. However, I think we might still have a more general problem with this type of man page conflict. A quick check of my local system turns

Re: (LONG) Correct non-US solution

1999-05-18 Thread Joey Hess
Jonathan Walther wrote: Thus, server foo in France will not download the ssh package, but if the maintainer of ssh always uploads to the Incoming on a canada.debian.org, all mirrors that are allowed to will hit every server in the master.list that might have the package until it finds the one

Re: Putting distributed-net back up for adoption

1999-05-18 Thread Joey Hess
Adam Klein wrote: number of bugs filed against it, and it's been exhibiting some weird behavior (apparently caused by the glibc2.1 move). Really? That's odd since it is a statically linked binary. I don't see how libc could affect it. -- see shy jo

Re: (MIRROR ADMINS) Correct non-US solution

1999-05-18 Thread Joey Hess
Jonathan Walther wrote: Another concern noted was that if we require special mirroring software to mirror Debian, many hardnosed sysadmins will take some convincing to use our script. That is not our problem. Either they use our mirroring script, or use their regular script to mirror from a

Re: (LONG) Correct non-US solution

1999-05-18 Thread Joey Hess
Jonathan Walther wrote: I would think that if a mirror couldn't export a peice of software, it just wouldn't host it. The logistics of figuring out which country every IP is in are... daunting, to say the least. Well then your proposal doesn't do away with the non-us division. Every county

Re: optimisation??

1999-05-18 Thread Joey Hess
Horvath Akos Peter wrote: I've seen quite a couple of packages, and was not too happy when I see the -O2 -g cflags, with which was compiled. 1. Why do you use the -g flag? A simple user will NEVER debug a binary. But wants it to run fast and be small. Because of the -g flag gcc will be

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