Bug#221988 (makeinfo --xml outputs non-well-formed XML) and my patch

2004-10-13 Thread Vincent Lefevre
I submitted a patch for the bug #221988. Does anyone know when it will be considered? If this bug could be fixed in the Sarge release (I don't know if this is possible), this would really be fine. Thanks, -- Vincent Lefèvre [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Web: http://www.vinc17.org/ 100% accessible

Re: weird font corruption caused by scrolling

2005-04-12 Thread Vincent Lefevre
, the text look smaller, but sometimes a line is clearly missing (for instance, when this is the top line). There had been a discussion in French here: From: Vincent Lefevre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: fr.comp.infosystemes.www.navigateurs Subject: Re: IE et le png Date: Fri

Re: postfix as default-mta? [Re: Bug#508644: new release goal default-mta?]

2009-05-12 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-05-09 22:20:47 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: According to popcon, only about 68% of Debian users have exim4 installed, and 18% have postfix installed. I don't think that's much of a lead for exim4, considering most of the exim4 installs are probably due solely to its status as a

Re: Switching /bin/sh to dash without dash essential

2009-07-24 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-07-24 15:49:15 +, brian m. carlson wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 08:31:55AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: zsh has also historically been fairly buggy in corner cases as /bin/sh and requires explicit commands to make it Bourne-compatible. Autoconf has had to add a bunch of

Re: Switching /bin/sh to dash without dash essential

2009-07-25 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-07-25 09:53:06 +0200, Steve Langasek wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:38:51AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Steve Langasek wrote: What's the advantage of having it be zsh? Is zsh faster than dash? Or is the only savings the elimination of the 84k dash

Bug#511522: general: Man pages should say what package a program belongs to

2009-01-12 Thread Vincent Lefevre
I'm not the bug reporter, but... On 2009-01-11 20:21:59 +, Roger Leigh wrote: % dpkg -S /usr/bin/basename coreutils: /usr/bin/basename This may be a bit more complex when the file is a symlink to an alternative. Concerning the man pages, packages sometimes install symlinks, and it isn't

.desktop files of GNOME apps and path to these applications

2008-07-09 Thread Vincent Lefevre
Hi, The .desktop file distributed with the evince package (/usr/share/applications/evince.desktop) contains: Exec=evince %U meaning that the user's $PATH is taken into account. In general, taking $PATH into account is recommended, but IMHO, this should not be the case here, because of the

Re: .desktop files of GNOME apps and path to these applications

2008-07-09 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2008-07-09 14:46:22 +0200, Vincent Zweije wrote: On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 01:14:25PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: || The .desktop file distributed with the evince package || (/usr/share/applications/evince.desktop) contains: || ||Exec=evince %U || || meaning that the user's $PATH

Shouldn't tar 1.20-1 be in testing?

2008-08-04 Thread Vincent Lefevre
According to http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/tar.html tar 1.20-1 entered unstable on 2008-04-17, so several months before the freeze. And http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=tar gives no good reasons for which tar is not in testing yet: * trying to update tar from 1.19-3

Re: there is /usr/lib64 symlink but no /usr/local/lib64

2011-02-11 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2011-02-04 19:02:33 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] Yaroslav Halchenko | /usr/lib64 - /usr/lib Not really, apart from some broken software that will look for stuff there and be confused if it doesn't exist. I think we should drop it. Thanks would be a good thing. Otherwise users

Re: Make Unicode bugs release critical?

2011-02-11 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2011-02-11 21:46:29 +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: On Fr, 11 Feb 2011, Roger Leigh wrote: XeTeX and XeLaTeX allow native UTF-8 input. Should be made the default, IMO, given how obsolete and broken the standard TeX encodings are. Being able to write in actual text rather than Please

Re: Make Unicode bugs release critical?

2011-02-11 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2011-02-11 15:33:49 +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:14:42AM +0100, Miroslav Kure wrote: However, I'm curious: is there a lot of software that is broken with Unicode, particularly with the UTF-8 encoding? I can't remember anything much in recent times.

Re: Make Unicode bugs release critical?

2011-02-11 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2011-02-11 15:02:02 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 02:30:24PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2011-02-11 15:33:49 +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:14:42AM +0100, Miroslav Kure wrote: However, I'm curious: is there a lot of software

Re: there is /usr/lib64 symlink but no /usr/local/lib64

2011-02-15 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2011-02-12 17:44:27 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: How do we square that with the FHS, then? The FHS says: If directories /libqual or /usr/libqual exist, the equivalent directories must also exist in /usr/local. That seems to require /usr/local/lib64 even if we *don't* include

Re: OT: Python (was: Make Unicode bugs release critical?)

2011-02-15 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2011-02-14 16:43:11 +, Ian Jackson wrote: When LC_CTYPE=en_GB.utf-8, programs which attempt to print unicode characters to stdout should use UTF-8. That's what LC_TYPE means. So, cat, grep, etc. are all broken. :) -- Vincent Lefèvre vinc...@vinc17.net - Web: http://www.vinc17.net/

Re: OT: Python

2011-02-15 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2011-02-14 13:11:04 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Perl is specifically documented to not do this for backward compatibility reasons. In Perl, which is the one I know best, you are required to decode input and encode output if you want to have UTF-8 handling. Or better, use the -C option.

Re: OT: Python (was: Make Unicode bugs release critical?)

2011-02-15 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2011-02-16 01:34:51 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 01:01:07AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2011-02-14 16:43:11 +, Ian Jackson wrote: When LC_CTYPE=en_GB.utf-8, programs which attempt to print unicode characters to stdout should use UTF-8. That's what

Bug#619520: linux-image-2.6.37-2-amd64: some Ethernet cables are not detected

2011-03-25 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2011-03-25 01:15:54 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: It is your responsibility to set an appropriate time limit for guessnet. This doesn't solve the problem: it makes the boot longer. By longer and unreliable. The 4-second maximum delay is still not sufficient. So, to have some margin, I

Re: Processed: Re: Processed: reassign 619520 to general

2011-03-27 Thread Vincent Lefevre
reassign 619520 ethtool severity 619520 normal thanks On 2011-03-25 09:18:04 +, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote: Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: reassign 619520 guessnet Bug #619520 [general] eth0 is not activated early enough, causing a delay in the Ethernet

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes! (was: network-manager as default? No!)

2011-04-05 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2011-04-04 17:31:18 +0400, Stanislav Maslovski wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 05:35:10PM +0530, Josselin Mouette wrote: It seems to be a common belief between some developers that users should have to read dozens of pages of documentation before attempting to do anything. I’m happy

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes! (was: network-manager as default? No!)

2011-04-06 Thread Vincent Lefevre
Hi, On 2011-04-05 20:37:39 +0300, Andrew O. Shadoura wrote: Hello, On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 14:31:40 +0200 Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net wrote: [About the general problem of documentation] The problem is to find the correct tools and the correct documentation. For instance, imagine

Re: Shipping /bin/sh [Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?]

2011-04-06 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2011-04-06 11:22:07 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: Not everything in /etc/shells is POSIXy enough to be /bin/sh. The *csh family aren't Bourne shells, and while zsh is a very nice Bourne-ish interactive shell, in its default configuration it isn't POSIX-compliant. When invoked as sh, zsh

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes! (was: network-manager as default? No!)

2011-04-06 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2011-04-06 07:24:30 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: There are several hacks to do that (like guessnet or laptop-net), but I don’t think this can work correctly in the general case with IPv4. FYI, I had used laptop-net in the past, but it has been removed from Debian:

Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes! (was: network-manager as default? No!)

2011-04-06 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2011-04-06 18:26:45 +0300, Andrew O. Shadoura wrote: If you do `ifdown`, either manually or by unplugging the cable, the problem doesn't appear to exist. Calling ifupdown may be inserted into the suspend/resume scripts. I wonder why this isn't done by default. -- Vincent Lefèvre

Bug #302907 - maintainer doesn't reply

2011-05-11 Thread Vincent Lefevre
Bug #302907 in libstroke0-dev has been open and had a (working) patch for 6 years. The maintainer has never replied or done anything else concerning this bug. Could this bug be eventually fixed? -- Vincent Lefèvre vinc...@vinc17.net - Web: http://www.vinc17.net/ 100% accessible validated

Re: .la file status and hint to clear the dependency_libs field

2011-05-30 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2011-05-27 00:17:45 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 26.05.2011 23:26, schrieb Luk Claes: There are some good reasons to keep some specific *.la files around, Just curious: what are these reasons / use case for keeping la files? They are at least read by libtool. For instance, when

Re: .la file status and hint to clear the dependency_libs field

2011-05-31 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2011-05-30 12:16:13 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: libtool .la files are useful if: * you're linking against a library installed in a directory that isn't searched by the dynamic linker by default (e.g. installing a local library in --prefix=$HOME, and a program that links that library

Re: where is /etc/hosts supposed to come from?

2009-12-28 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-12-28 14:34:39 +1100, Brian May wrote: Also, FQDNs are really not applicable to, say laptops, which frequently change from one network to another. Or some desktops even. I notice on this Ubuntu laptop `hostname` == `hostname -f` perhaps for this reason. FQDNs are also applicable to

Re: where is /etc/hosts supposed to come from?

2009-12-28 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-12-27 14:22:53 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: No, the hostname should be set on a *separate* line, mapped to 127.0.1.1, as we've been doing for years now. Setting an equivalence between localhost and the hostname causes all manner of problems due to hostname canonicalization. Shouldn't

Re: where is /etc/hosts supposed to come from?

2009-12-28 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-12-28 12:52:12 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: That would seem to fit with the rest of the page. I guess a bug report is in order? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=562890 -- Vincent Lefèvre vinc...@vinc17.net - Web: http://www.vinc17.net/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML

Re: where is /etc/hosts supposed to come from?

2009-12-28 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-12-28 23:41:38 +, Sam Morris wrote: Details in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=316099. I do wonder, however, why the system hostname has to appear in /etc/hosts at all? Programs that want to find it out can read /etc/hostname directly, after all. And wtf is

Re: where is /etc/hosts supposed to come from?

2009-12-28 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-12-29 00:21:45 +, Sam Morris wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 01:03:12 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: Programs may need the FQDN, even without any network connection (for instance, even local mail messages should have a Message-Id). And /etc/hostname doesn't necessarily contain

Re: where is /etc/hosts supposed to come from?

2009-12-28 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-12-29 01:47:40 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2009-12-29 00:21:45 +, Sam Morris wrote: As for mail, we already appear to have an /etc/mailname file for MTAs and MUAs to use for finding out the 'canonical' name of the host for message- IDs and the like. /etc/mailname

Re: where is /etc/hosts supposed to come from?

2009-12-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-12-28 20:56:03 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 01:47:40AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: As for mail, we already appear to have an /etc/mailname file for MTAs and MUAs to use for finding out the 'canonical' name of the host for message- IDs and the like

Re: where is /etc/hosts supposed to come from?

2009-12-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-12-29 14:09:49 +0100, Jeremiah Foster wrote: On one of my machines apticron uses a call to hostname -f, which fails, while uname -n succeeds. uname -n doesn't necessarily return the FQDN. xvii% uname -n xvii xvii% hostname xvii xvii% hostname -f xvii.vinc17.org xvii% cat /etc/hostname

Re: where is /etc/hosts supposed to come from?

2009-12-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-12-29 18:49:00 +0100, Gabor Gombas wrote: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 02:52:44PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: When the machine is correctly configured (i.e. really has a FQDN), hostname -f is reliable. No, it is not. hostname -f can return one value only, while a host may have dozens

Re: where is /etc/hosts supposed to come from?

2009-12-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-12-29 17:44:31 +0100, Milan P. Stanic wrote: Mutt in testing/unstable use /etc/mailname. But not the official Mutt version. -- Vincent Lefèvre vinc...@vinc17.net - Web: http://www.vinc17.net/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: http://www.vinc17.net/blog/ Work: CR INRIA -

Re: where is /etc/hosts supposed to come from?

2009-12-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-12-29 10:45:17 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.org writes: Even if Debian has its own patches to match its policy, end users are still allowed to compile software from upstream (this is what I do for Mutt, because I have my own patches), and they expect

Re: where is /etc/hosts supposed to come from?

2009-12-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-12-29 14:18:47 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.org writes: When I compile Mutt or any other portable software (e.g. conforming to POSIX), I don't mind if such software isn't integrated with the Debian system. I just want it work according to the POSIX spec

Re: where is /etc/hosts supposed to come from?

2009-12-30 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-12-29 20:23:31 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: I'm having a hard time figuring out what you think the canonical name of my laptop could possibly be, given that it has no static IP address and no DNS entry. It doesn't need to have a static IP, nor a DNS entry. In practice, it's whatever

Re: where is /etc/hosts supposed to come from?

2009-12-30 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-12-30 11:56:13 +0100, Gabor Gombas wrote: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:31:25PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: Then you need to configure your machine according to the spec, i.e. you need a single FQDN / canonical name / official name of the host. If getaddrinfo(AI_CANONNAME) fails

Re: where is /etc/hosts supposed to come from?

2009-12-31 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-12-30 15:31:12 -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2009-12-29 17:44:31 +0100, Milan P. Stanic wrote: Mutt in testing/unstable use /etc/mailname. But not the official Mutt version. Who lets you configure the correct domain

Re: where is /etc/hosts supposed to come from?

2009-12-31 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-12-30 11:54:57 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.org writes: stanford.edu is definitely wrong. First it's just a domain name, not a FQDN (as required by the mailname(5) man page). stanford.edu is an RFC 1035 FQDN. RFC 1035 (from /usr/share/doc/RFC/links

Re: where is /etc/hosts supposed to come from?

2009-12-31 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-12-30 15:33:05 -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: Better correct myself here. POSIX provides a way for apps to query the canonical host name, but DOES NOT REQUIRE IT TO BE A FQDN. So, it provided the notion of a special name, the canonical host name. In practice, it has to

Re: where is /etc/hosts supposed to come from?

2009-12-31 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-12-31 14:10:46 +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 02:02:36PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: POSIX says: If the AI_CANONNAME flag is specified and the nodename argument is not null, the function shall attempt to determine the canonical name corresponding

Re: where is /etc/hosts supposed to come from?

2009-12-31 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-12-31 16:35:58 +0100, Iustin Pop wrote: This is a personal opinion, but having the canonical name rely on “hostname --fqdn” is not a favorite of mine: hostname needs the resolver to be working and functioning (e.g. it talks to your nameservers if /etc/hosts doesn't contain your

Re: where is /etc/hosts supposed to come from?

2009-12-31 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-12-31 12:37:25 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.org writes: On 2009-12-30 11:54:57 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.org writes: stanford.edu is definitely wrong. First it's just a domain name, not a FQDN (as required

Re: where is /etc/hosts supposed to come from?

2010-01-01 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-12-31 14:34:34 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Uh, no. That statement implies nothing of the sort; identification is not necessarily unique. I suggest that you look in a dictionary. I've been participating in standardization of network protocols through the IETF for more than a decade

Re: Removing the manpage requirement for GUI programs?

2010-02-28 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2010-02-27 21:03:04 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: We are talking of programs that you will not have the idea to run with the command line unless you know what they do. Programs that are usually run through a graphical menu. They are sometimes found by shell completion. Moreover, before

Re: Removing the manpage requirement for GUI programs?

2010-03-05 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2010-03-04 17:12:15 +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 04:32:45PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Because, of course, the user is too stupid to click the “Help” menu inside the application. Because the users have not yet decided if they want to start the application

Re: Removing the manpage requirement for GUI programs?

2010-03-05 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2010-03-05 17:41:25 +, brian m. carlson wrote: Allowing any format viewable in Debian potentially requires the average user to install lots of random packages just to view basic documentation on invoking a program. Also, providing, for example, PDF documentation as the sole form for a

Re: Removing the manpage requirement for GUI programs?

2010-03-05 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2010-03-05 11:04:48 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Command-line switches are documented where you expect them to be documented: in command-line switches, with the standard --help option. This is nonsense. Not all commands understand --help. -- Vincent Lefèvre vinc...@vinc17.net - Web:

Re: Removing the manpage requirement for GUI programs?

2010-03-05 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2010-03-05 10:56:21 +0100, Daniel Leidert wrote: Of course it does not happen, that evolution crashes for specific mails and then keeps crashing on every new start, because it opens the same mail. The only way to fix this, is to start with a different component. Do you need the bug report

Re: Removing the manpage requirement for GUI programs?

2010-03-10 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2010-03-10 13:52:15 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Or it might have a gzipped PDF file, which is even more annoying, for it requires me to copy, uncompress, read, remove the documentation. zxpdf from xpdf-reader can handle it. But I wonder why the need for two separate commands while the

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-20 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2010-04-19 18:05:30 -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: The reasons not to want a document printed are quite easy to understand, but the mechanism is flawed. Given the setting you mention, you can just slap a red banner stating Confidential, do not print. If it is on a corporate setting, just state

Re: RFH: bashisms in configure script

2010-05-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2010-05-26 00:18:23 +0200, David Weinehall wrote: You're getting things the wrong way around. The version of dash that will be put in experimental will be the correct one, the one in unstable will be the crippled one. The reason things fails isn't because of dash, but because of sloppy

Re: [RFC] removing xserver-xorg-video-nv from squeeze

2010-07-21 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2010-07-12 19:33:15 +0100, Julien Cristau wrote: We don't have nvidia hardware, so maybe our perception is flawed. If people think we should keep that driver, please explain why. If the reason is nouveau doesn't work for me, we'll ignore your reply unless it comes with a

Re: 38

2010-08-31 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2010-08-28 20:54:42 +1000, Brian May wrote: When the solution is easy I don't see why we don't just do it. br...@andean:~$ i=cat's meow.tar.gz br...@andean:~$ echo `basename $i .tar.gz` cat's meow (yes, the nested quotes don't seem to matter) They matter if you have consecutive

Re: Multiarch in Debian unstable

2011-06-27 Thread Vincent Lefevre
Hi, On 2011-06-27 11:54:53 +0100, Steve Langasek wrote: Work is ongoing to formulate a proper, distribution-neutral interface for querying the correct multiarch path for a system. In the meantime, if you are an upstream affected by this issue, or a maintainer of a package whose upstream is

Re: Multiarch in Debian unstable

2011-06-27 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2011-06-27 15:42:47 +0100, Steve Langasek wrote: On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 03:31:24PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: How libraries are searched is not clear, but depending on how this is done, there may be compatibility issues when the user installs software in his home directory, in case

Re: Multiarch in Debian unstable

2011-06-27 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2011-06-27 15:59:27 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: If by fat binaries you mean executables, No, I meant libraries (the term fat binary is used by the GMP library, but is here restricted to x86 subarchs). If by fat binaries you mean shared libraries, they could either go in /usr/lib, or go in

Re: Multiarch in Debian unstable

2011-06-28 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2011-06-28 09:54:34 +0100, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 02:05:05AM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2010-11/msg00341.html This particular issue will not occur with multiarch, because /usr/lib/arch will never be a symlink to /usr/lib

Re: Multiarch in Debian unstable

2011-06-28 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2011-06-28 10:34:14 +0100, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 07:40:03AM +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote: Am Montag, 27. Juni 2011, 16:20:23 schrieb Steve Langasek: So this: So it should be a matter of changing that to print this instead on Debian multiarch: $ gcc

Re: /usr/share/doc/ files and gzip/xz/no compression

2011-08-16 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2011-08-15 23:29:17 -0400, James Vega wrote: You mean like lesspipe(1)? Seems like it might need to be updated to handle *.xz, but other than that looks like it fits the bill. lesspipe(1) from the less package is a bit primitive. How about using Wolfgang Friebel's version, which already

Re: Linux kernel hardening - link restrictions

2012-03-08 Thread Vincent Lefevre
Hi, On 2012-03-02 05:11:58 +, Ben Hutchings wrote: I'm therefore intending to warn about this with the following NEWS entry in the linux-image metapackages: Index: debian/linux-image.NEWS === --- debian/linux-image.NEWS

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-08 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-03-05 16:42:50 +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote: Friendly discussion with the maintainer of debian-multimedia.org to not replace libraries such as libavcodec and friends have failed ultimatively (BTW, that is part of the reason why we've ended up with an epoch of '4', dmo uses epoch '5');

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-08 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-03-08 12:35:53 +, Philipp Kern wrote: On 2012-03-08, Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net wrote: It's worse than that. Security support is non-existent, and users don't know that. An example: [… non-free package …] Well, non-free in Debian proper doesn't have security support

Re: Linux kernel hardening - link restrictions

2012-03-12 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-03-08 15:42:49 +, Ben Hutchings wrote: Since 'at' is going to be updated in stable, I added a versioned 'Breaks' instead. But since there may be other problems than with at, announcing the change in the NEWS file would have probably be a good idea. Things that an admin was usually

Re: On init in Debian

2012-03-28 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-03-18 00:53:37 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: disclaimerI know almost nothing about systemd/disclaimer I'd like people to think twice before opt-in for systemd. I just taked with a friend working for redhat, and he told me how much he hates it. He told me that if *anything* goes wrong

Re: On init in Debian

2012-03-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-03-29 02:43:33 +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: $ sudo apt-get remove network-manager* $ sudo apt-get install wicd wicd-curses wicd-gtk ^ wicd-kde ? $ wicd-curses And enjoy your network without the NM mess :) Well, wicd has its own

Re: [OT] NM vs. wicd (was: Re: On init in Debian)

2012-03-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-03-29 11:15:30 +0100, Philip Hands wrote: I'd only use either to make flipping between wireless networks something where I don't need to keep the comandline incantations in my head anyway, so the last thing I need is NM noticing that I've plugged or unplugged an ethernet cable, and

Re: On init in Debian

2012-03-30 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-03-29 13:07:56 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Well, it seems like you should file bugs if you can, because a lot of these are not universal problems and therefore probably aren't known issues. I did several months ago: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=637267

Re: [OT] NM vs. wicd (was: Re: On init in Debian)

2012-03-30 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-03-29 23:23:52 -0400, Chris Knadle wrote: On Thursday, March 29, 2012 04:09:57, Vincent Lefevre wrote: Well, wicd has its own bugs, such as preventing a laptop from suspending. Hmm. That sucks. I'd like to debug why you're running into this. However I've been using wicd

Re: On init in Debian

2012-03-30 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-03-30 08:39:38 +0200, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: Well, wicd has its own bugs, such as preventing a laptop from suspending. are you talking about a bug from 2008 that has been fixed for ages? https://bugs.launchpad.net/wicd/+bug/306210 No, this is not the same bug (in my case, wicd is

Re: [OT] NM vs. wicd

2012-03-30 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-03-30 19:43:48 +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: On 30/03/12 12:29, Vincent Lefevre wrote: I don't know what's going on exactly, but from the logs, it seems that when suspending, the connection is ended (as expected), but then, wicd tries to reconnect, and this may interrupt

Re: On init in Debian

2012-03-30 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-03-30 10:44:07 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net writes: On 2012-03-29 13:07:56 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Well, it seems like you should file bugs if you can, because a lot of these are not universal problems and therefore probably aren't known

Re: On init in Debian

2012-03-30 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-03-31 01:16:42 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2012-03-30 10:44:07 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: I don't think your diagnosis of this is correct, in that I don't think wicd is what's doing this. I was getting things like that with Network Manager as well, and usually rebooting my

Re: [OT] NM vs. wicd

2012-04-02 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-03-31 05:42:41 +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: On 31/03/12 01:03, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2012-03-30 19:43:48 +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: Check that you don't have GLAN/WLAN or something like that enabled on /proc/acpi/wakeup xvii:~ cat /proc/acpi/wakeup

Re: switching from exim to postfix

2012-05-01 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-05-01 18:55:20 +0300, Riku Voipio wrote: On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 12:48:10AM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote: I think it would be useful to describe what issue(s) there are concerning 8BITMIME and why this is important. I've found some information [1] about this, but it isn't clear what

Re: switching from exim to postfix

2012-05-02 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-05-02 15:00:36 +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote: Hello, On Wed, 2 May 2012 10:06:31 +0100 Jon Dowland j...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 08:44:12AM +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote: No it doesn't if 8BITMIME annouces are turned off! If exim receives an 8 bit mail, even if

Re: switching from exim to postfix

2012-05-02 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-05-02 20:23:41 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net wrote: On 2012-05-02 15:00:36 +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote: Hello, On Wed, 2 May 2012 10:06:31 +0100 Jon Dowland j...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 08:44:12AM +0200, Andrew Shadura

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useful

2012-05-30 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-05-25 14:49:14 +0100, Will Daniels wrote: On 25/05/12 13:52, Ted Ts'o wrote: So what? If you write to a normal file system, it goes into the page cache, which is pretty much the same as writing into tmpfs. In both cases if you have swap configured, the data will get pushed to disk;

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-05-30 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-05-30 12:08:29 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le samedi 26 mai 2012 à 23:02 +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez a écrit : With tmpfs on /tmp you are breaking many applications that assume that they have enough space to write on /tmp like the flash player ( see Debian bug #666096 )

Re: Starting services automatically after install

2012-06-05 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-06-03 08:21:34 +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: Try to see it from the other side: I don't understand why you would a like a service not started by default. The daemon is there to be run, so running it is the most sensible approach in almost all cases[1]. Well, a mail server daemon must

Have NetworkManager disabled by default when... (was: Recommends for metapackages)

2012-07-18 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-07-14 22:59:35 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: Due to those drawbacks, I've wondered why people don't just disable NetworkManager on their system instead of bothering with workarounds like the above or dpkg -P --force-depends and similar. Sorry for being late in the discussion. I also

Re: Have NetworkManager disabled by default when... (was: Recommends for metapackages)

2012-07-18 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-07-18 15:01:43 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 02:18:12PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: Sorry for being late in the discussion. I also think that having NetworkManager disabled for those who do not want to use it is a good solution. But I think that if other

Re: Have NetworkManager disabled by default when... (was: Recommends for metapackages)

2012-07-18 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-07-18 21:32:31 +0100, Wookey wrote: +++ Andrei POPESCU [2012-07-18 20:56 +0300]: One of the reasons I'm using network-manager instead of wicd or even plain ifupdown is the possibility to switch (more or less) seamlessly between wired and wifi. wicd does this just fine too. Tell

Re: solving the network-manager-in-gnome problem

2012-07-22 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-07-22 11:43:14 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: ENABLE/DISABLE switches are *ugly*, I disagree. ENABLE/DISABLE switches have some advantages: they are more readable than a set of symlinks, allow all the settings of some service to be grouped in a single place, and can be managed more easily

Re: solving the network-manager-in-gnome problem

2012-07-22 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-07-22 14:11:41 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 01:50:58PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: I disagree. ENABLE/DISABLE switches have some advantages: they are more readable than a set of symlinks, allow all the settings of some service to be grouped in a single place

Re: solving the network-manager-in-gnome problem

2012-07-22 Thread Vincent Lefevre
Hi Michael, On 2012-07-22 16:25:15 +0200, Michael Stapelberg wrote: Quoting Vincent Lefevre (2012-07-22 15:53:13) I don't think there's anything wrong with enhancing the way that sysvinit works, as long as the user can still use the update-rc.d method. There is: update-rc.d is a defined

Re: solving the network-manager-in-gnome problem

2012-07-22 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-07-22 16:40:48 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 01:50:58PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2012-07-22 11:43:14 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: ENABLE/DISABLE switches are *ugly*, I disagree. ENABLE/DISABLE switches have some advantages: they are more

Re: glibc very old

2012-07-23 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-07-23 14:49:35 +0900, Miles Bader wrote: Based on a glance at the source, it seems like the math libraries were changed in lots of little ways between 2.13 and 2.16 [and it looks like the FPU-twiddling that made expf slow in 2.13 has been _added_ to the generic version of the exp

Re: solving the network-manager-in-gnome problem

2012-07-23 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-07-23 10:21:04 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] Vincent Lefevre OK, if Debian plans to support other init systems, that's fine. It already does. Not really, or at least not in a nice way, because sysvinit is an essential package. Also, I don't see any init system that provides

Re: solving the network-manager-in-gnome problem

2012-07-23 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-07-23 07:23:40 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012, Vincent Lefevre wrote: so that if you want to make things more consistent, you should get rid of /etc/default entirely. /etc/default is used for a lot more than just enabling/disabling services

Re: solving the network-manager-in-gnome problem

2012-07-23 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-07-23 15:26:29 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: No, I just mean that configuration of some service should be in a limited number of places. But if you agree that it's fine for /etc/default to override config setup somewhere else, then there should not be any problem with ENABLE/DISABLE

Re: solving the network-manager-in-gnome problem

2012-07-23 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-07-23 15:55:27 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] Vincent Lefevre On 2012-07-23 10:21:04 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] Vincent Lefevre OK, if Debian plans to support other init systems, that's fine. It already does. Not really, or at least not in a nice way

Re: solving the network-manager-in-gnome problem

2012-07-23 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-07-23 17:59:21 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 03:26:29PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: No, I just mean that configuration of some service should be in a limited number of places. But if you agree that it's fine for /etc/default to override config setup somewhere

Re: glibc very old

2012-07-24 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-07-24 13:45:08 +0900, Miles Bader wrote: Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net writes: By correct, I mean that the result is somewhat acceptable (not that the result is correctly rounded and the rounding direction is honored), instead of getting completely wrong values or even

Re: solving the network-manager-in-gnome problem

2012-07-24 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-07-24 08:16:43 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] Vincent Lefevre On 2012-07-23 15:55:27 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] Vincent Lefevre On 2012-07-23 10:21:04 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] Vincent Lefevre OK, if Debian plans to support other init

Re: solving the network-manager-in-gnome problem

2012-07-24 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-07-24 12:26:33 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: If the package description had said that, it would have been less confusing. It's strange for a package description to focus on non-native features! I don't know what you mean by non-native features. Support for SysV init scripts is

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