Re: dpkg compilation on Solaris

2008-03-13 Thread Erast Benson
Michel, not sure if you heard of http://www.nexenta.org you can find many patches here: http://www.nexenta.org/diffs-gnusolaris but this is Debian/OpenSolaris platform - perfect for storage and reliable servers. On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 15:51 +0100, BRIAND, Michel (EKITO) wrote: Hi, dpkg ported

Re: Challenge: Binary free uploading

2006-07-16 Thread Erast Benson
On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 16:47 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: Hi all, At https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NoMoreSourcePackages is a description of the new world order for Ubuntu packages -- which will simplify making changes to Ubuntu packages to a matter of simply committing the change to the source

Re: cdrtools

2006-07-13 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 12:59 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: Erast Benson writes (Re: cdrtools): Joerg clearly stands that: 1) Makefiles != scripts or at least it is unclear whether Makefiles may be called scripts: GPL §3 requires the scripts for compilation to be provided

Re: cdrtools

2006-07-13 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 16:43 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 12:59 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: Erast Benson writes (Re: cdrtools): Joerg clearly stands that: 1) Makefiles != scripts or at least it is unclear whether Makefiles may

Re: cdrtools

2006-07-12 Thread Erast Benson
On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 01:02 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't forget that Joerg were main developer of cdrtools for quite some time and we should respect his point of view on how result of his work for the last (what 10 years?) should be licensed

Re: cdrtools

2006-07-11 Thread Erast Benson
On Mon, 2006-07-10 at 18:42 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Erast Benson wrote: On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 20:15 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: NB: Please follow Debian list policy and refrain from Cc:'ing me

Re: cdrtools

2006-07-10 Thread Erast Benson
On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 20:15 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: NB: Please follow Debian list policy and refrain from Cc:'ing me. On Fri, 07 Jul 2006, Erast Benson wrote: On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 08:39 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Fri, 07 Jul 2006, Erast Benson wrote: what? you think

Re: cdrtools

2006-07-07 Thread Erast Benson
On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 10:38 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 08:57:54AM +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote: Kevin Bube wrote: What about switching to dvdrtools? I think this project was started to solve the frequently recurring arguments about the licensing and the device

Re: cdrtools

2006-07-07 Thread Erast Benson
On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 08:39 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Fri, 07 Jul 2006, Erast Benson wrote: On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 10:38 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: I completely fail to see any logic here: * cdrtools, obviously completely non-free, is in main what? you think if it is non-GPL

Re: cdrtools

2006-07-07 Thread Erast Benson
On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 19:25 +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: pe, 2006-07-07 kello 08:52 -0700, Erast Benson kirjoitti: On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 08:39 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: No. The primary issue is that the mixture of a GPL+CDDL work creates a work that cannot be distributed by anyone else

Re: cdrtools

2006-07-07 Thread Erast Benson
On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 20:15 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: NB: Please follow Debian list policy and refrain from Cc:'ing me. On Fri, 07 Jul 2006, Erast Benson wrote: On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 08:39 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Fri, 07 Jul 2006, Erast Benson wrote: what? you think

Re: cdrtools

2006-07-06 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2006-07-06 at 19:56 +0200, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: Will the package be orphande next time? No, depending on the outcome of the licensing issues, either the current maintainers still continue to maintain the package, or it has to be removed from Debian completely. IMHO we

Re: cdrtools

2006-07-06 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2006-07-06 at 21:47 +0300, George Danchev wrote: On Thursday 06 July 2006 21:26, Erast Benson wrote: On Thu, 2006-07-06 at 19:56 +0200, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: Will the package be orphande next time? No, depending on the outcome of the licensing issues, either

Re: Is OSS only support to be considered a bug?

2006-06-27 Thread Erast Benson
On Tue, 2006-06-27 at 16:55 -0500, Bill Allombert wrote: On Mon, Jun 26, 2006 at 09:20:34PM +0200, Preben Randhol wrote: With the 2.6 kernel programs using OSS for sound are not working anymore. Sound that is. One *may* use aoss, but then the user needs to open a terminal and write:

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-25 Thread Erast Benson
On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 09:44:50 -0700, Erast Benson wrote: because non-glibc Debian architectures does exists (i.e. FreeBSD,Solaris,Darwin), and it is time to consider them and accept their existence. Those core architectures are open sourced and their communities will only grow over time

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread Erast Benson
On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 23:05 -0700, Matt Taggart wrote: Erast Benson writes... Once you accompany OpenSolaris kernel with GLIBC, you will kill this capability, you will not be able to run anything other than OSS compiled for your particular distro. That was my point. And isn't LSB is what

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread Erast Benson
On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 10:44 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: Erast Benson wrote: On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 12:32 -0500, Michael Banck wrote: We had a pure NetBSD port before, but so far no non-glibc port got added to the archive officially (but that doesn't mean it would get rejected

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread Erast Benson
On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 09:49 +0300, George Danchev wrote: On Sunday 21 May 2006 05:35, Erast Benson wrote: On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 21:11 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 11:51:09AM -0700, Erast Benson wrote: Do you really believe so? Do you understand

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread Erast Benson
On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 17:09 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: Erast Benson wrote: On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 10:44 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: Then provide the Solaris libc and other support libraries somewhere proprietary applications can use them, while building your system around glibc

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread Erast Benson
On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 22:45 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 12:32 -0500, Michael Banck wrote: We had a pure NetBSD port before, but so far no non-glibc port got added to the archive officially (but that doesn't mean it would get

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread Erast Benson
On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 19:14 +0300, George Danchev wrote: On Sunday 21 May 2006 17:34, Erast Benson wrote: --cut-- But I hope you still got me right. For me, all these things are existing applications which must run. The world is not 100% open sourced yet and we are in it, we are part

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread Erast Benson
On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 19:40 +0300, George Danchev wrote: On Sunday 21 May 2006 19:06, Erast Benson wrote: -cut-- Clean way would be to extend SUN C library with missing GLIBC functionality. Btw, have you seen SUN C library code? Its done very clean, very polished code base which runs

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-21 Thread Erast Benson
On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 18:54 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 09:44:50AM -0700, Erast Benson wrote: So, why GLIBC is so important to you? What do you miss in SUN C library? And why do you think technically impossible to extend SUN C library with missing GLIBC

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-20 Thread Erast Benson
On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 12:01 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Erast Benson] And thanks to upstream folks, 90% of OSS software is platform independent and just works. Just to get the facts straight here. I compile and port free software regularly to Linux, Solaris, Irix, HP-UX, Tru64

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-20 Thread Erast Benson
On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 07:38 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Hendrik Sattler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am Samstag, 20. Mai 2006 12:01 schrieb Petter Reinholdtsen: So I would say less than 20% of the free software is platform independent, based on personal problems. And the other authors

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-20 Thread Erast Benson
On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 16:33 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le vendredi 19 mai 2006 à 13:15 -0700, Alex Ross a écrit : Ideally though, there'd be an augmented policy of package acceptance, reflecting the fact that the packages with Architecture: any should build and run on one of the Debian

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-20 Thread Erast Benson
On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 12:37 -0300, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: Em Sex, 2006-05-19 às 17:52 -0700, Erast Benson escreveu: is platform independent and just works. And if Debian's meta-information introduces problem for package which compiles and runs just fine from out of upstream tarball

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-20 Thread Erast Benson
On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 17:54 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le samedi 20 mai 2006 à 08:07 -0700, Erast Benson a écrit : Please wake up. Debian is a GNU system and needs a GNU environment. I doubt that more than half of the archive can build without the GNU libc. This is the reason why

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-20 Thread Erast Benson
On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 12:32 -0500, Michael Banck wrote: We had a pure NetBSD port before, but so far no non-glibc port got added to the archive officially (but that doesn't mean it would get rejected if it was of release quality). IMHO a glibc-based OpenSolaris would certainly be the

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-20 Thread Erast Benson
On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 21:11 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 11:51:09AM -0700, Erast Benson wrote: Do you really believe so? Do you understand that such a hybrid will not run any existing Solaris apps like you will not be able to run simple thinks like Macromedia

Re: [Fwd: Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers]

2006-05-20 Thread Erast Benson
On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 20:32 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: If you aren't getting Solaris-specific features (dtrace, etc ?), then what's the point of running Solaris? Nexenta is absolutely rock stable OS (thanks to legendary Solaris history) and moving towards running any applications written for

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-19 Thread Erast Benson
On Fri, 2006-05-19 at 14:44 -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 01:15:44PM -0700, Alex Ross wrote: Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 10:34:35AM -0700, Alex Ross wrote: The following is based on premises that portability is good and that POSIX is a standard. A

Re: per-architecture Provides field

2006-04-13 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 00:04 +0200, Loïc Minier wrote: Hi, On Wed, Apr 12, 2006, Erast Benson wrote: +Provides: sunwlxsl [solaris-i386] Depends: ${shlibs:Depends} Why not simply use Provide: ${misc:Provides} and set misc:Provides to sunwlxsl on solaris-i386? OK

Re: per-architecture Provides field

2006-04-13 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 12:18 +0300, Daniel Stone wrote: On Thu, Apr 13, 2006 at 12:13:57AM -0700, Erast Benson wrote: On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 00:04 +0200, Loïc Minier wrote: Why not simply Provide: sunwlxsl all of the time, doesn't it provide sunwlxsl on other arches? But how

Re: per-architecture Provides field

2006-04-13 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 17:41 +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: On Thu, Apr 13, 2006 at 12:13:57AM -0700, Erast Benson wrote: On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 00:04 +0200, Loïc Minier wrote: Why not simply Provide: sunwlxsl all of the time, doesn't it provide sunwlxsl on other arches? But how

per-architecture Provides field

2006-04-12 Thread Erast Benson
Hi, I'm thinking of the way to putback NexentaOS[1] changes some more. As far as OpenSolaris core is concerned, we need to provide virtual packages, like sunwxml and sunwlxsl to make native SVR4 packaging system dependency happy. I'm looking to the right way to do so. Bellow is the snippet from

dpkg support for solaris-i386 architecture

2006-04-05 Thread Erast Benson
Hi Guys, Back in November 2005 Michael Schultheiss performed initial analysis of dpkg patches at [1]. Our dpkg implementation has changed a bit since than. Attached is the first in the series of dpkg patches which adds solaris-i386 architecture support used by NexentaOS. We would like to start

Re: Request: Source for parts of GNU/Solaris

2005-11-09 Thread Erast Benson
On Tuesday 08 November 2005 02:26, Erast Benson wrote: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you do not see something specific, or newer versions, like(you can find debarchiver-0.3 but we have debarchiver-0.4 packaged), that means it is not committed yet and we are testing it right

Re: Request: Source for parts of GNU/Solaris

2005-11-09 Thread Erast Benson
George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, this is another violation. The source comes first, then binaries next to it. Hm, I wonder how could you make people believe (trust) in your open source project ? George, I don't think there's much point in repeating objections that have

Re: Request: Source for parts of GNU/Solaris

2005-11-08 Thread Erast Benson
On Tuesday 08 November 2005 01:48, Erast Benson wrote: www.gnusolaris.org is *the same place*. Oh, I expected some tar-ball to be linked from the same place as the ISOs (i.e. the Downloads page) not some point-and-click SVN-webinterface. this URL also does _neither_ offer access to the apt

Re: Request: Source for parts of GNU/Solaris

2005-11-08 Thread Erast Benson
On Tuesday 08 November 2005 17:17, Erast Benson wrote: OK, for your convenient, http://www.gnusolaris.org/sources shold has everything latest/not-committed tarballs of source code with our modifications for every package we are using. We are preparing cron job, so, will update them every

Re: Request: Source for parts of GNU/Solaris

2005-11-08 Thread Erast Benson
On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, Erast Benson wrote: OK, for your convenient, http://www.gnusolaris.org/sources shold has everything latest/not-committed tarballs of source code with our modifications for every package we are using. We are preparing cron job, so, will update them every night until we

Re: Request: Source for parts of GNU/Solaris

2005-11-07 Thread Erast Benson
David Schmitt writes: I have downloaded the elatte_live_prealpha1_x86.iso.gz[1] from your website and found a dpkg binary on it. Much to my dismay I was not able to locate the source for this binary, despite it being obviously under the GPL[2]. Was the requisite written offer included?

Re: Request: Source for parts of GNU/Solaris

2005-11-07 Thread Erast Benson
Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Was the requisite written offer included? Would you be willing to check the CD for other GPL software and notify the authors if you find any? you can check, than re-check again and again, Nexenta OS GNU/OpenSolaris is a complete open source project

Re: Request: Source for parts of GNU/Solaris

2005-11-07 Thread Erast Benson
Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is this will be? You are distributing binaries now; you must therefore distribute the complete source now, under terms compatible with the GPL. You are welcome to obtain account at the web portal and check out the source directly from SVN

Re: Request: Source for parts of GNU/Solaris

2005-11-07 Thread Erast Benson
Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: actually, I just checked. anonymous access is granted. Just browse it at http://www.gnusolaris.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/browser/gnusolaris1 Specifically requested were the source for libintl.so.3, libiconv.so.2, libc.so.1, libz.so, libbz2.so.1.0

Re: Request: Source for parts of GNU/Solaris

2005-11-07 Thread Erast Benson
David, this is the place were source code lives: http://www.gnusolaris.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/browser/gnusolaris1/gnu or http://www.gnusolaris.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/browser/gnusolaris1 If you do not see something specific, or newer versions, like(you can find debarchiver-0.3 but we have

Re: Request: Source for parts of GNU/Solaris

2005-11-07 Thread Erast Benson
Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you do not see something specific, or newer versions, like(you can find debarchiver-0.3 but we have debarchiver-0.4 packaged), that means it is not committed yet and we are testing it right now and will be committed shortly. Erast, Unless you

Re: Request: Source for parts of GNU/Solaris

2005-11-07 Thread Erast Benson
Dear Erast! On Tuesday 08 November 2005 01:01, Erast Benson wrote: Specifically requested were the source for libintl.so.3, libiconv.so.2, libc.so.1, libz.so, libbz2.so.1.0, and libgcc_s.so.1, which must be provided under terms no more restrictive than GPL sections one and two. http

Re: Request: Source for parts of GNU/Solaris

2005-11-07 Thread Erast Benson
On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 04:48:52PM -0800, Erast Benson wrote: Dear Erast! On Tuesday 08 November 2005 01:01, Erast Benson wrote: Specifically requested were the source for libintl.so.3, libiconv.so.2, libc.so.1, libz.so, libbz2.so.1.0, and libgcc_s.so.1, which must be provided

Re: Request: Source for parts of GNU/Solaris

2005-11-07 Thread Erast Benson
On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 04:48:52PM -0800, Erast Benson wrote: this URL also does _neither_ offer access to the apt (0.6.40.1-1.1) nor your patched debhelper (4.9.3elatte) as requested in my other mail. I'm personally working on it, and I will not commit those changes until

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-03 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 09:18 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Op wo, 02-11-2005 te 18:21 -0800, schreef Erast Benson: GPL: The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. For an executable work, complete source code means all the source code

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-03 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 15:51 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (a) to ship packaged OpenSolaris core on main CD, and the rest of GPL-filtered software, will go on Companion CD, or through APT repository later on. This is doable, since OpenSolaris core has

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-03 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 14:32 -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Thu, 03 Nov 2005, Dalibor Topic wrote: If your core feature is GPLd code coming from Debian, I'd kindly suggest to take the concerns of Debian developers regarding compliance with the license of that code seriously,

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-03 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 17:31 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 08:45:52AM -0800, Erast Benson wrote: If Debian really wans to be system runtime independent, and would like to have Debian GNU/Solaris port, it should release dpkg as LGPL software. This should help FreeBSD

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-03 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 18:31 +0100, Aurelien Jarno wrote: On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 08:45:52AM -0800, Erast Benson wrote: If Debian really wans to be system runtime independent, and would like to have Debian GNU/Solaris port, it should release dpkg as LGPL software. This should help FreeBSD

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-03 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 18:51 +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote: On Thursday 03 November 2005 08.32, Erast Benson wrote: Matthew: [...] whether you want to be part of A Debian Release. Hard to say right now... Lets see how all this thing will progress. But, *yes* we are willing

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-03 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 12:22 -0600, David Moreno Garza wrote: On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 16:36 -0800, Alex Ross wrote: Do you plan to submit your port as an official port to Debian once it stabilizes? Yes. Wasn't this already discussed regarding CDDL being not compatible with DFSGs?

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-03 Thread Erast Benson
OK. We will change it to Nexenta repository browser. Point taken. Thanks. Erast On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 13:34 -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Erast Benson wrote: There are things like forums, mailing list, blogs, web-based Debian repository browser, etc. which need

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-03 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 11:10 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I personally with community help will re-write stripped down CDDL variant of dpkg. Will Debian community be happy? But this is sort of duplication of work. I do not think that the goal

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-03 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 11:29 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nexenta community willing to make appropriate changes to the system and make it absolutely Debian legal OS. And more I'm looking into it, i'm sure it is quite easy possible by making main

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-03 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 13:55 -0600, Kenneth Pronovici wrote: It really seems like you jumped into this base our system on Debian thing without really understanding what Debian is about. Consider what you're asking for. You're asking Debian to make changes to the license of some of its core

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-03 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 11:57 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please stop mentioning the FreeBSD port as an example of your licensing problems. There is no license problem with the BSD kernel, and GNU/kFreeBSD uses dpkg for a long time now. ok

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-03 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 11:59 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Kenneth Pronovici [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Besides that, you haven't even given us very many good reasons why we should care about your problems. You insist on making it sound like somehow by not conforming to your needs,

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-03 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 20:00 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To make it happen, we need to resolve dpkg issue and initial boot strapping process. Which is quite possible to re-write dpkg as CDDL software. But to avoid duplication of work, it will be wise

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-03 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 20:03 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 17:31 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: Being system-runtime independent is a great goal, but helping free software is a better one. Releasing dpkg under the LGPL would allow

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-03 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 12:17 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: World is changed since then, and today we have Nexenta OS. This forces community to re-think/re-work all these CDDL vs. GPL issues. You seem to be saying that if a bunch of people

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-03 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 12:18 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 11:10 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I personally with community help will re-write stripped down CDDL variant

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-03 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 15:26 -0500, Michael Poole wrote: Erast Benson writes: On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 12:22 -0600, David Moreno Garza wrote: On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 16:36 -0800, Alex Ross wrote: Do you plan to submit your port as an official port to Debian once it stabilizes

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-03 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 22:19 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: Or, *freedoms*. If a hardware vendor wants to profit from Linux users, they need to lift the limitations on the access to knowledge about their wares. Please wake up. :-) This will never happen. Nobody sane who spent 50$ millon

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-03 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 21:34 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will never happen. Nobody sane who spent 50$ millon dollars VC's capital will open their IP for free. This is fact of life. And than sooner Linux-kernel community will acknowlage

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-03 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 22:22 +0100, Dalibor Topic wrote: Erast Benson wrote: Or may be make it CDDL dual licensed. Or you could just persuade the copyright holders to make all of OpenSolaris code that you use dual licensed with the GPL, and many of your problems are gone. Effectively

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-02 Thread Erast Benson
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 10:41 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: * Alex Ross: 2) 2,300 Debian packages available for immediate usage. How do you solve the problem that you cannot legally distribute software which is licensed under the GNU General Public License and is linked against a libc which

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-02 Thread Erast Benson
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 12:13 -0500, David Nusinow wrote: On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 09:54:30AM -0800, Erast Benson wrote: On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 10:41 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: * Alex Ross: 2) 2,300 Debian packages available for immediate usage. How do you solve the problem

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-02 Thread Erast Benson
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 14:36 -0500, David Nusinow wrote: On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 10:41:10AM -0800, Erast Benson wrote: On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 12:13 -0500, David Nusinow wrote: People have to ask for an account to find out how you're not violating the license on their code? We wanted

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-02 Thread Erast Benson
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 17:18 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 12:41:09PM -0800, Erast Benson wrote: On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 14:36 -0500, David Nusinow wrote: On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 10:41:10AM -0800, Erast Benson wrote

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-02 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 01:14 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: Alex Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Banck wrote: If so, do you plan to use Debian's mailing lists and bug tracking system for development? No. We have ours: svn, Trac, and mailing lists. It's unlikely that you'll be

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-02 Thread Erast Benson
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 17:37 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 06:21:12PM -0800, Erast Benson wrote: The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. For an executable work, complete source code means all the source code

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-02 Thread Erast Benson
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 17:48 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't want to debate on legality of GPL vs. CDDL. But if you in doubt, you could try to ask Sun lawers on why exactly this is possible: http://www.sun.com/gnome as well as other LGPG

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-02 Thread Erast Benson
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 18:05 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CDDL is a good open source license and blessed by R.S. That does not make it compatible with the GPL. You cannot combine code from two licenses unless the licenses are compatible

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-02 Thread Erast Benson
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 18:20 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: If you want to be part of Debian, one of the requirements is that you help convince us when there is doubt that there isn't a licensing problem. Repeated assertion does not convince us. Pointing at websites that require

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-02 Thread Erast Benson
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 18:54 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ubuntu is not an official Debian Port. on another hand, GNU/Solaris uses different kernel and libc, which brings many non-Debian-related issues into play. There is also hurd or

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-02 Thread Erast Benson
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 19:34 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let me re-phrase your question. What Debian Community wants from Nexenta OS? Do they care to support GNU/Solaris as another *real* system in their list besides GNU/Linux? I have

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-02 Thread Erast Benson
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 21:25 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Alex Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The issue... what issue? The http://www.sun.com/gnome issue? The numerous-our-examples issue? Of course, that's an issue. Sun does not have the right to ship Gnome with Solaris. But I'm

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-02 Thread Erast Benson
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 22:01 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but their loyers obviosly reads GPL differently. since they do ship GNOME as their primary JDS desktops, among others GNU GPL software, gcc, tar, sed, awk etc... btw, Solaris 10

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-02 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 15:50 +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 06:31:00PM -0800, Erast Benson wrote: On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 01:14 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: Alex Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Banck wrote: If so, do you plan to use Debian's mailing lists

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-02 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 17:47 +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 10:52:07PM -0800, Erast Benson wrote: On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 21:25 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Alex Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The issue... what issue? The http://www.sun.com/gnome issue

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-01 Thread Erast Benson
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 14:24 +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 06:21:45PM -0800, Alex Ross wrote: 2) 2,300 Debian packages available for immediate usage. [...] There are probably very few projects that can come anywhere close to Nexenta OS, in terms of the size,

Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program

2005-11-01 Thread Erast Benson
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 17:16 +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 09:07:08PM -0800, Erast Benson wrote: On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 14:24 +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 06:21:45PM -0800, Alex Ross wrote: 2) 2,300 Debian packages available for immediate