Re: Policy: should libraries depend on services (daemons) that they can speak to?

2024-01-15 Thread Roger Lynn
On 15/01/2024 18:00, Russ Allbery wrote: > When you have the case of an application that optionally wants to do foo, > a shared library that acts as a client, and a daemon that does foo, there > are three options: > > 1. Always install the shared library and daemon even though it's an >

Re: i386 in the future (was Re: 64-bit time_t transition for 32-bit archs: a proposal)

2023-05-25 Thread Roger Lynn
On 21/05/2023 07:00, James Addison wrote: > On Fri, 19 May 2023 at 22:58, Ansgar wrote: >> One of the problems with popcon is that it draws too much attention to >> old releases which isn't really interesting when talking about future >> developments. If one looks at arch usage per release (as

Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited)

2023-05-17 Thread Roger Lynn
On 15/05/2023 19:00, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Sun, 14 May 2023 at 23:37:34 +0200, Josh Triplett wrote: >> People build things on Debian that are not Debian packages. People >> compile binaries on Debian, and expect them to work on any system that >> has sufficiently new libraries. > > *raises

Re: [RFC] changes to rsyslog - default to RFC 5424 format

2021-12-18 Thread Roger Lynn
On 18/12/2021 15:00, Michael Biebl wrote: I'm not a user of logwatch, so I don't know, if logwatch nowadays can handle RFC 5424 timestamps, but even if so, I think the benefits outweigh the potential breakage. And it's easy enough for users to create a drop-in config snippet with

Re: Shall we serve scripts as application or as text?

2021-08-30 Thread Roger Lynn
On 29/08/2021 15:20, Simon McVittie wrote: The major difference is fallback behaviour. If a client (web browser or email client or similar) receives a file with a text/* type for which it has no special handler, in the absence of other context it is expected to treat it like text/plain, and show

Re: Discussion tooling

2019-10-06 Thread Roger Lynn
On 05/10/19 22:20, Samuel Henrique wrote: On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 14:51, Antonio Terceiro wrote: Note that email already has a "tree-like" structure, since forever. You just don't see it if you (ironically) use web application email clients like gmail that decided to not show it. Most

Re: Mozilla Firefox DoH to CloudFlare by default (for US users)?

2019-09-13 Thread Roger Lynn
On 09/09/19 14:40, Bjørn Mork wrote: Ondřej Surý writes: Otherwise it doesn’t make any sense to remove external links to logos and JavaScript from the documentation and then send everything to one single US-based provider. Exactly. I'd be worried if anything in Debian came preconfigured with

Re: P.S. Re: Debian 9 in a VM with Proxmox 5 system

2017-07-16 Thread Roger Lynn
On 13/07/17 12:40, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 05:17:57AM -0400, Tom H wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Roger Lynn <ro...@rilynn.me.uk> wrote: > > > SUBSYSTEM=="net", ATTR{address}=="1c:1b:0d:9a:34:98", NAME=&quo

Re: P.S. Re: Debian 9 in a VM with Proxmox 5 system

2017-07-12 Thread Roger Lynn
On 10/07/17 19:40, Marvin Renich wrote: > There is an easy fix to revert the default behavior while still allowing > knowledgeable sysadmins to get the new behavior. On the other hand, > those who need to administer systems but are not sysadmins by trade (and > thus will have to do

Re: systemd, ntp, kernel and hwclock

2017-03-04 Thread Roger Lynn
On 28/02/17 01:00, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Mon, 2017-02-27 at 16:09 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: >> Right, ntpdate for some reason doesn't set the flag to do this. > > There is a very good reason, which is that without continuous > adjustment the system clock cannot be assumed more stable than

Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-12-01 Thread Roger Lynn
On 29/11/14 13:30, Vincent Bernat wrote: ❦ 29 novembre 2014 12:41 GMT, Alastair McKinstry alastair.mckins...@sceal.ie : One concern I'd have is the lack of flexibility to produce a cut-down system. The option of a dedicated init=/custom-program, but lack of an ntpd, for example, because

Re: PackageKit cleanup: Do you use these functions?

2014-09-11 Thread Roger Lynn
On 11/09/14 14:50, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: I think it's not realistic to expect upstreams to support online updates for every application. Once you have plugins or external data, it's hard to keep working properly after an upgrade. Surely the solution to this is to restart the affected

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-13 Thread Roger Lynn
On 07/08/14 23:10, Jordi Mallach wrote: Popularity: One of the metrics discussed by the tasksel change proponents mentioned popcon numbers. 8 months after the desktop change, Xfce does not seem to have made a dent on install numbers. The Debian GNOME team doesn’t feel popcon’s data is

Re: systemd-fsck?

2014-05-14 Thread Roger Lynn
On 13/05/14 20:30, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: In data martedì 13 maggio 2014 19:42:32, David Goodenough ha scritto: service foo action works across Linux distributions, with or without systemd, and does the right thing. The big shame with service is that tab completion does not work properly.

Re: Having fun with the following C code (UB)

2014-04-15 Thread Roger Lynn
On 14/04/14 14:30, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2014-04-14 14:14:14 +0200, Raphael Geissert wrote: No, there is no optimisation in that case, so there is no warning. It only warns when it uses the knowledge that (signed) integer overflow isn't possible to optimise away some redundant code.

Re: Debian default desktop environment

2014-04-04 Thread Roger Lynn
On 04/04/14 00:50, Stephen Allen wrote: On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 08:18:41AM +1100, Dmitry Smirnov wrote: I think Xfce is much better *default* desktop environment (DE) than Gnome. As KDE fan I do not like Gnome. Those who forget to choose DE in installer (just like I did more than once) and

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-31 Thread Roger Lynn
On 31/10/13 09:30, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Op 30-10-13 23:09, Steve McIntyre schreef: So... In that situation, would you care about having more than just a netinst available for initial booting? Beyond that, people can get on the network to a mirror, or to other machines hosting the DVD images.

Re: let's split the systemd binary package [Was, Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME]

2013-10-24 Thread Roger Lynn
On 24/10/13 03:00, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 02:21:25AM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: 2013/10/24 Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org: Well, that's one more reason the init system and the dbus services should be separated out in the packaging. Some of the services consume

Re: boot ordering and resolvconf

2013-07-06 Thread Roger Lynn
On 03/07/13 14:30, Ian Jackson wrote: Ian Jackson writes (Re: boot ordering and resolvconf): 4. Therefore in most installations there should be a local proxy or cache. It should use DHCP-provided, PPP-provided or similar, as a forwarder. The local DNS provider address

Re: x32 “half” arrived… now what?

2013-06-11 Thread Roger Lynn
On 06/06/13 21:10, Adam Borowski wrote: On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 09:58:00AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Be aware that x32 has sizeof(time_t) sizeof(long), so you should expect SUBSTANTIAL porting of packages to be required. Particularly since that arrangement is explicitly unsupported by the

Re: default MTA

2013-06-06 Thread Roger Lynn
On 06/06/13 14:00, Chris Knadle wrote: On Wednesday, June 05, 2013 15:35:14, Marc Haber wrote: On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 19:53:59 -0400, Chris Knadle chris.kna...@coredump.us wrote: Attempting to use an FQDN is also troublesome, because Exim tries to use DNS to look up the FQDN, and falls back to

Re: default MTA

2013-06-01 Thread Roger Lynn
On 31/05/13 07:50, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: A utility to scan syslog and convey important information to the user would be much more useful than configuring all mailers in Debian to read root's local mail by default. I know how to redirect root's mail elsewhere, thank you for not making

Re: systemd .service file conversion

2013-05-31 Thread Roger Lynn
On 30/05/13 16:30, Matthias Klumpp wrote: 2013/5/30 Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it: The /etc/ /lib/ /usr/lib/ split with files overriding each other, invented because RPM systems do not prompt the user on package upgrades and Red Hat does not support upgrading to the next major release. Well,

Re: status of eligibility of dug lists on lists.debian.org

2012-09-19 Thread Roger Lynn
On 19/09/12 13:50, anarcat wrote: Andrei POPESCU wrote: [x] E: Host lists on their own server in someones basement See that's exactly what I'm talking about - *I* can do this, I can host lists in my basement (or my freedombox, call it what you like), as I am an experienced sysadmin and

Re: greater popularity of Debian on AMD64?

2012-09-05 Thread Roger Lynn
On 05/09/12 18:10, W. Anderson wrote: It is somewhat surprising and a little disappointing that Debian, or any other GNU/Linux distribution would be making statements that, in effect, give great public support to AMD in regard Linux, when the company has for many years been decidedly

Re: Possible release note for systems running PHP through CGI.

2012-08-19 Thread Roger Lynn
On 19/08/12 03:20, Charles Plessy wrote: - PHP scripts can be executed by Apache httpd through libapache2-mod-php5 or php5-cgi. Debian recommends libapache2-mod-php5, but there are still thousands of installations wich report the use of php5-cgi according to the Popularity Contest

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Roger Lynn
On 08/08/12 12:30, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 08/08/2012 06:21 PM, David Given wrote: ifconfig (before this discussion I'd never even *heard* of ip) This kind of remark make be say that probably, it'd be nice to have ifconfig display a warning as this one: ifconfig is deprecated, please

Re: Recommends for metapackages

2012-07-13 Thread Roger Lynn
[sorry for the lengthy quoting below] On 12/07/12 10:10, Gergely Nagy wrote: Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org writes: Not so minimal if you want your gnome set to be up to date, including new applications being installed. It is very minimal. 5 minutes of work. Been there, done

Re: switching from exim to postfix

2012-05-03 Thread Roger Lynn
On 02/05/12 02:00, brian m. carlson wrote: On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 07:47:08PM +0100, Roger Lynn wrote: I have enabled accept_8bitmime in every exim I've installed for the last 10 years and no one has reported any problems. I think the risk of encountering a truly 7 bit MTA in this decade

Re: switching from exim to postfix

2012-05-01 Thread Roger Lynn
On 01/05/12 15:10, Chris Knadle wrote: I think the reason Exim does not do this protocol conversion is that from the point of view of an MTA author, the point of an MTA is to transmit the body of the message without any modification to it once received, and body modification would be

Re: RFC: Making mail-transport-agent Priority: optional

2011-10-16 Thread Roger Lynn
On 15/10/11 22:00, Josh Triplett wrote: Steve Langasek wrote: Needing to send mail through specific per-user smarthosts is the exception, not the rule. Most machines have a designated forwarding smarthost based on who their ISP is, not based on which email address someone wants to use.

Re: /usr/share/doc/ files and gzip/xz/no compression

2011-08-16 Thread Roger Lynn
On 16/08/11 00:10, Carsten Hey wrote: bzip2 has a better compression on average for some filetypes, xz[1] has a better compression on average for others: gzip bzip2 xz bzip2+xz[3] text files[2] 94312922 73496587 77783076 73496587 other files

Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-20 Thread Roger Lynn
On 19/05/10 22:20, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: btw: What happened to the idea of movin umask completely away from /etc/profile? I mean regardless of the discussion about UPGs and which value is the best default for umask, I found it to be a good idea to drop it there. This is a good

Re: UPG and the default umask

2010-05-18 Thread Roger Lynn
On 18/05/10 11:00, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: Not to speak about, that UPG is anyway a questionable abuse of the user/group concept. Neither to speak about the fact, that in the 17 years debian exists now,... no majority missed that feature (apparently). Debian has been using UPG for

Re: APT do not work with Squid as a proxy because of pipelining default

2010-05-18 Thread Roger Lynn
On 18/05/10 03:10, Robert Collins wrote: Given that pipelining is broken by design, that the HTTP WG has increased the number of concurrent connections that are recommended, and removed the upper limit - no. I don't think that disabling pipelining hurts anyone - just use a couple more

Re: Removing the manpage requirement for GUI programs?

2010-03-04 Thread Roger Lynn
On 04/03/10 20:00, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Letting alone policy issues: what do you propose, *concretely* to improve the situation? A man page containing a *brief* (one or two lines) description of what the program does and pointers to further

Re: Possible mass bug filing: non-doc packages recommending doc packages

2009-05-10 Thread Roger Lynn
On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 07:00:25PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 09:47:56PM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: As a practical matter, downgrading these dependencies will cause aptitude and other package managers to believe that the documentation is unnecessary and

Re: Linux / Debian / Ubuntu

2005-06-02 Thread Roger Lynn
On Tue, 31 May 2005 21:37:28 -0700, Stephen Birch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darren Salt([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-05-31 21:49: For those who've missed the first three broadcasts today, there's one more at 01:05 GMT; also see URL:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/1478157.stm. Why on

Re: Why do we still have this on the distribution?

2005-04-10 Thread Roger Lynn
Martin Schulze wrote: FWIW: This would mean to remove all of Mozilla and friends, since they don't receive any security support upstream, and neither the maintainer or the security team are in a position to backport all fixes and correcte all stuff in the older versions. (upstream does only

Re: dselect survey

2004-12-09 Thread Roger Lynn
Miles Bader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The current aptitude, by contrast, seems both powerful and elegant: it rarely gets in my way, deals well with problem situations, and offers powerful features should I want them (aptitude of years past could also be kinda cranky though). The last time I