Re: Please help test the PAM in experimental

Hi, you don't seem to address: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1029097 why? On Fri, 2024-01-19 at 11:40 -0700, Sam Hartman wrote: > > There are a number of changes, and I'd just like a bit more > confidence > that it works as expected before uploading to unstable in about a >

Re: merged-/usr transition: debconf or not?

On Thu, 2021-11-11 at 16:07 -0500, Zack Weinberg wrote: > Marco d'Itri wrote: > > Since some significant work on dpkg is reasonably not forthcoming > > Yeah, because _you,_ Marco, prefer to spend your time trying to > gaslight the project into thinking there isn't a critical-severity > bug in

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

On Tue, 2021-07-20 at 21:51 +, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 11:15:33PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > [...] > > Debian, the Universal Operating System was used some years ago! > > Svante, fine. You are unhappy with Debian since years, you're not >

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

On Tue, 2021-07-20 at 15:34 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > > On 2021-07-20 3:30 p.m., Marc Haber wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 14:47:04 +0200, Svante Signell > > wrote: > > > According to the dpkg developer and maintainer Guillem users can &g

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

On Tue, 2021-07-20 at 13:41 +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: > > Hello, > Isn't this kind of crying over spilt milk? I also wish we never had > ended up with the buster/bullseye state where both unmerged and > merged-/usr-via-aliased-dirs are fully supported. However there is > now a huge number of

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 20:58 +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > On Wed, 2021-07-14 at 23:40 +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: > > On Wed, 2021-07-14 at 19:54:56 +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > > > Sean Whitton dixit: > > > > * #978636 move to merged-usr-only? > > > >

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

On Wed, 2021-07-14 at 23:40 +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: > On Wed, 2021-07-14 at 19:54:56 +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > > Sean Whitton dixit: > > > * #978636 move to merged-usr-only? > > > > > > We were asked to decide whether or not Debian 'bookworm' should > > > continue to support systems

How to undo a merged-user installation?

Hello, I recently installed Debian/bullseye/sid in a VM from a snapshot. After running that image I realized the I got a merged-user installation. As for now I have: bin -> usr/bin lib -> usr/lib lib32 -> usr/lib32 lib64 -> usr/lib64 libx32 -> usr/libx32 sbin -> usr/sbin Is there some way to

Re: Debian With Alternate Init Systems

Back on debian-devel. On Mon, 2020-02-10 at 14:22 +, Sam Hartman wrote: >From a private reply to me from Sam: > I hear your frustration at Samuel's message. I want Samuel to apologize on _this_ email list for insulting me. Regarding your opinion about the GR becomes very clear by reading

Re: Debian With Alternate Init Systems

Sam: This reply is addressed to Samuel and another to you follows, then I'll shut up. On Sat, 2020-02-08 at 16:40 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Nice, the first thing I'll do is to shut down the Debian/GNU Hurd > > buildd mahler. > Can't you see you are here exactly very precisely here

Re: Debian With Alternate Init Systems

Sam: This reply is addressed to you, and another to Samuel, then I'll shut up. On Sat, 2020-02-08 at 08:27 -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > I can't speak for anyone else, but yeah I've come to my own conclusions. > I was fairly open about them: > https://hartmans.livejournal.com/99395.html > > For

Re: Debian With Alternate Init Systems

On Sat, 2020-02-08 at 14:51 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Hello Sam, > > Sam Hartman, le sam. 08 févr. 2020 08:27:24 -0500, a ecrit: > > Svante> Perhaps all [...] ought to leave the project, including > > Svante> those having package not being dependent on systemd. > > > > I am frustrated

Re: Debian With Alternate Init Systems

On Thu, 2020-02-06 at 21:12 +, Sam Hartman wrote: > > > > > > "Svante" == Svante Signell writes: > > Svante> When is > Svante> Debian ever to offer a non-systemd alternative for > Svante> installation? > > I hear y

Re: Heads up: persistent journal has been enabled in systemd

On Thu, 2020-02-06 at 14:14 -0500, Michael Stone wrote: > On Thu, Feb 06, 2020 at 08:09:13PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > > > On a Debian system _not_ running systemd: > > > > > > > > du -sh /var/log > > > > 74M /var/log > >

Re: Heads up: persistent journal has been enabled in systemd

On Thu, 2020-02-06 at 13:41 -0500, Michael Stone wrote: > On Thu, Feb 06, 2020 at 07:22:07PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > On a Debian sytem _not_ running systemd: > > > > du -sh /var/log > > 74M /var/log > > > > And the binary logs from systemd wo

Re: Heads up: persistent journal has been enabled in systemd

On Thu, 2020-02-06 at 16:09 +, Philip Hands wrote: > > > I solved this by removing Systemd from my systems. > > > > > > And now what? > Well, since we're apparently meant to be obsessed about what it is > like to accept every default, then let's assume for a moment that you > are asking about

Re: Heads up: persistent journal has been enabled in systemd

On Thu, 2020-02-06 at 15:08 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Feb 06, Svante Signell wrote: > > > There are still a large number of > > Debian users opting away from using systemd (and still use Debian, > > not > > derivatives). And what about non-linux systems

Re: Heads up: persistent journal has been enabled in systemd

On Thu, 2020-02-06 at 07:58 +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote: > ❦ 6 février 2020 09:50 +11, Dmitry Smirnov : > > > > and 2) continuing to use rsyslog isn't an option if the default changes. > > > > No. I just don't want default to change. IMHO rationale for this is weak > > but everybody keeps

Re: Integration with systemd

On Fri, 2019-11-01 at 06:47 +, Adam D. Barratt wrote: > On Fri, 2019-11-01 at 00:54 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > On Thu, 2019-10-31 at 22:40 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > > On Oct 31, Svante Signell wrote: > > > > > > > Marco, I think your info

Re: Integration with systemd

On Thu, 2019-10-31 at 22:40 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Oct 31, Svante Signell wrote: > > > When elogind enters testing there would be many more people running > > Debian with sysvinit/elogind. elogind is needed for desktop usage > > when not using systemd as PID

Re: Integration with systemd

On Thu, 2019-10-31 at 15:45 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > On Oct 31, Simon Richter wrote: > > > > No, and that's not our job. There are a lot of people out there > > building non-systemd systems. > Data says: not really a lot. When elogind enters testing there would be many more people running

Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

On Wed, 2019-06-26 at 12:14 -0300, elementar wrote: > Where do I find kFreeBSD-amd64 isos, from testing or unstable? > > Em sex, 12 de abr de 2019 17:49, Joerg Jaspert > escreveu: > > Hi > > > > back in August 2018 we discussed architecture inclusion into > > unstable/experimental. > > > >

Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

On Sat, 2019-04-13 at 12:18 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > He rightfully means he does not want patches, but patches getting > submitted upstream, so he does not have to maintain them. A Debian > package maintainer is not supposed to maintain patches long-term. Then the question of which

Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

On Sat, 2019-04-13 at 11:51 +0200, Carsten Schoenert wrote: > Am 13.04.19 um 11:15 schrieb Svante Signell: > > > Please give up on Debian. They clearly have no interest in anything > > non-linux or non-systemd, that is fully clear. Let's make a joint > > effort to mak

Re: Hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-{i386,amd64} removal

On Sat, 2019-04-13 at 10:58 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Joerg Jaspert, le sam. 13 avril 2019 10:24:53 +0200, a ecrit: > > On 15371 March 1977, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > > Well, it's very odd that a team decision is suddenly made with a > two-week effect without asking whether the schedule

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

On Wed, 2018-11-21 at 14:43 +, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi Simon, > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 02:05:42PM +, Simon McVittie wrote: > [...] > > > Another question is, why? > > [...] > > thank you very much for explaining in detail why usrmerge is sensible > and the right thing to do for

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

On Wed, 2018-11-21 at 13:09 +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 10:52:22 +0100, Adam Borowski > wrote: > > I am seriously claiming that RHEL is in the place Solaris was in 2010. > > Rapidly falling user share (like Solaris, it was ubiquitous in the past!), > > acquired by a company

Re: tinysshd dependency on systemd

On Sun, 2018-10-21 at 23:04 +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: >  ❦ 21 octobre 2018 18:12 GMT, Ivan Shmakov : > > > > > You know, in almost twenty years of using GNU/Linux, I think > > it’s the first time I’m requested /not/ to report bugs and > > contribute patches.  How times did change,

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

On Fri, 2018-10-19 at 09:37 +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: > On 2018-10-19 08:39, Narcis Garcia wrote: > > El 18/10/18 a les 22:07, Bernd Zeimetz ha escrit: > > > For my packages I can state that I do not have a single machine > > > which is not using systemd - and to be honest - I won't waste my > >

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

On Mon, 2018-10-15 at 17:06 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > It's a matter of people subscribing to the > pkg-sysvinit-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org list and discussing there, > I > don't see why anything heavier would be needed. I thought alioth was no more, but maybe the mailing list remains?

Re: Re-evaluating architecture inclusion in unstable/experimental

On Mon, 2018-09-03 at 01:07 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > So has the debian patch been submitted in #900240 upstream by you or Petter > > Reinholdtsen yet? I don't believe so! > > I don't think so either, it'd be marked forwarded. That doesn't mean you > can't help with it. Regardless who

Re: Re-evaluating architecture inclusion in unstable/experimental

On Mon, 2018-09-03 at 00:19 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > I'm sorry Samuel, I asked both you and James Clarke, Cc:ed, for help on this > > issue and you both said it was not possible to NMU cmake, even if you are > > both > > DD's. > > For my part, I was not talking about that patch, but

Re: Re-evaluating architecture inclusion in unstable/experimental

On Sun, 2018-09-02 at 19:46 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Svante Signell, le dim. 02 sept. 2018 19:45:19 +0200, a ecrit: > > On Sun, 2018-09-02 at 15:21 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > > > > > > > The statistics and graphs available on the debian-po

Re: Re-evaluating architecture inclusion in unstable/experimental

On Sun, 2018-09-02 at 15:21 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > The statistics and graphs available on the debian-ports page[1] may > > provide some objective statistics or reflection on the actual > > suitability of your architecture's continued inclusion. > >  [1]:

Where to find git repos of gcc-*?

Hello, Where are the browsable packages for gcc-* now, when salsa is in use? >From the web package for gcc-8: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/gcc-8 Click on VCS: Browse http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/gcccvs/branches/sid/gcc-8/ Server not found Click on VCS: QA

Re: How to fix symbols files to work with gcc-7 and gcc-8 (Was: Bug#897794: libquazip: ftbfs with GCC-8)

On Fri, 2018-05-04 at 23:16 +0200, Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > Yavor, > > On Fri, May 04, 2018 at 04:06:05PM +0300, Yavor Doganov wrote: > > Andreas Tille wrote: > > > What's the correct way to fix the symbols file to work with both > > > versions of gcc? > Guess what, C++ is more complex than C.

Request for kFreeBSD (and Hurd) porters

Hi all, Cc: debian-devel The Debian GNU/kFreeBSD port recently obtained a buildd building packages for the sid distribution, kamp. Thank you very much for your effort making this happening jrtc27 :) The buildd is now soon up-to- date building packages being outdated. As you know GNU/Hurd packages

Re: Bug#886493: marked as done (general: debian should support nosystemd build profile)

Incredible: What's going on in Debian?? On Sun, Jan 07, 2018 at 12:31:10AM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > reopen 886238 > thanks >  > Did you see this? I thought this was not discussed through yet! Very nice > attitude from Debian DD's indeed :( As I said: don't. Bastian

[Fwd: Bug#886238: marked as done (Please introduce official nosystemd build profile)]

reopen 886238 thanks Did you see this? I thought this was not discussed through yet! Very nice attitude from Debian DD's indeed :(--- Begin Message --- > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Bastian Blank > To: 886238-d...@bugs.debian.org > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Fri, 5

Re: Bug#886238: Please introduce official nosystemd build profile

On Fri, 2018-01-05 at 01:47 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > Especially you two shouldn't be fighting.  As far as I know, Svante is > somewhat involved with eudev maintenance in Devuan (done mostly by parazyd, > though), while Marco has a great wealth of udev experience. Well I did the work an

Re: Bug#886238: Please introduce official nosystemd build profile

On Fri, 2018-01-05 at 00:41 +, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Thu, 04 Jan 2018 at 23:01:07 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > What about creating a linux-nosystemd architecture, e.g. > > dbus-1.12.2/debian/control > > Build-Depends: > >  libsystemd-dev [linux-any !linux

Re: Bug#886238: Please introduce official nosystemd build profile

On Thu, 2018-01-04 at 23:09 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Jan 04, Hleb Valoshka <375...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > "anti-systemd zealots" Steve, when did you join LP fanclub? When > > Ubuntu decided to throw away your upstart and use systemd instead? > > Classy... Yes _your_ reply is classy.

Re: Bug#886238: Please introduce official nosystemd build profile

On Thu, 2018-01-04 at 21:35 +0300, Hleb Valoshka wrote: > On 1/3/18, Andrew Shadura wrote: > > > Do we really need systemd-less builds? I'm not convinced this is > > something relevant to Debian. > > http://angband.pl/deb/archive.html > >

Re: Switching to sysvinit-core fails miserably in buster/sid

On Wed, 2017-10-25 at 18:03 +, Felipe Sateler wrote: > Mea Culpa. This was a bug in the "defaults-disabled" implementation. I  > have just uploaded a fixed version. Hi, when trying to follow which patches are applied to sysvinit, the git link given in the package page, 

Re: Unsustainable debian/rules as official build entry point?

On Wed, 2017-10-18 at 16:31 +0100, Wookey wrote: > On 2017-10-18 12:08 +, Felipe Sateler wrote: > I quite often use the debian/rules binary{-arch,-indep} interface when > doing porting/bootstrapping work (i.e the package built but something > goes wrong in the packaging process so I want to

Re: Unsustainable debian/rules as official build entry point?

On Wed, 2017-10-18 at 11:54 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Wed, 18 Oct 2017 at 11:57:55 +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > > Building some packages for GNU/Hurd has been impossible in the > > past, since also tests are run under fakeroot. > > Is there some reason why this w

Re: Unsustainable debian/rules as official build entry point?

On Wed, 2017-10-18 at 11:36 +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: > Hi! > > So, dpkg 1.19.0 and 1.19.0.1 had a bug where the build target was not > being called when building packages. Thanks, this problem has finally been revealed officially. Are you sure this problem is not older than version 1.19.x? 

Re: dpkg no longer installs conffiles??

On Wed, 2016-11-30 at 13:20 +0100, Simon Richter wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 12:19:42PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > > [Restoring deleted conffiles] > > > dpkg --force-confmiss --install , as suggested by Simon, > > didn't work > > Hm, that smells like a bug. For me it worked on

Re: dpkg no longer installs conffiles??

Sorry for empty messages, but my mailer: evolution has gone nuts after the upgrade and recovery :( On Wed, 2016-11-30 at 11:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: >

Re: dpkg no longer installs conffiles??

On Tue, 2016-11-29 at 19:18 +0100, Simon Richter wrote: > Hi, > > On 29.11.2016 17:58, Svante Signell wrote: > > > After upgrading to sid the conffiles don't seem to be installed any longer? > > Examples are bash, passwd, basefiles and libpam-runtime. Especially the la

Re: dpkg no longer installs conffiles??

Re: dpkg no longer installs conffiles??

dpkg no longer installs conffiles??

Hello Rahpahel, Cc: debian-devel Sorry to bother you but I found your name at the following page: https://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/09/21/debian-conffile-configuration-file-managed -by-dpkg/ I don't know a suitable forum for this type of question. And please don't refer me to the high-traffic ML

Re: package builds crashing under fakeroot

On Tue, 2016-10-04 at 11:34 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Jakub Wilk, on Tue 04 Oct 2016 10:55:36 +0200, wrote: > > * Svante Signell <svante.sign...@gmail.com>, 2016-10-04, 08:54: > > > From memory I think this is due to usage of the default rule: &

Re: Interface of `shutdown', 'halt', ... programs

On Thu, 2016-10-06 at 13:51 +0300, Dmitry Bogatov wrote: > > > > > > > > #838480 > > > [...] > > > Any suggestions? > > Is it possible to use a pointyclicky desktoppy widgety thing to reboot > > a system with runit ?  I guess from your mails you use the command > > line. > > [...] > > I think if

Re: package builds crashing under fakeroot

On Tue, 2016-10-04 at 10:55 +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote: > * Svante Signell <svante.sign...@gmail.com>, 2016-10-04, 08:54: > > > > From memory I think this is due to usage of the default rule: > > %: > > dh $@ > > > > with no override_dh_auto_buil

Re: package builds crashing under fakeroot

On Mon, 2016-10-03 at 16:46 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Christian Seiler writes ("Re: package builds crashing under fakeroot"): > > > > On 10/03/2016 04:50 PM, Alastair McKinstry wrote: > > > > > > So its a legitimate tightening of credential-checking in pmix. However > > > it causes problems

Re: Libre graphics could become the standard if we push right now

On Fri, 2016-01-15 at 04:57 -0500, shawn wilson wrote: > > On Jan 14, 2016 5:11 PM, "Zlatan Todoric" wrote: >  > > > So I think it is very important that we support AMD right now on what we > > > can, and ask manufacturers to include AMD graphics in those products. > > > > > >

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

On Fri, 2016-01-08 at 19:15 +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > Quite some developers are getting paid to be Debian users or by > Debian > users. We participate in Debian because it makes using Debian easier > for the people who pay us.On Fri, 08 Jan 2016 09:14:45 -0800, > Nikolaus Rath

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

On Fri, 2016-01-08 at 09:14 -0800, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > On Jan 08 2016, Svante Signell <svante.sign...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The problem is that with Debian heading down this road, the Debian > > GNU/Linux distribution will not exist in 5 years from now. > >

Re: support for merged /usr in Debian

On Thu, 2016-01-07 at 22:46 +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > Marc Haber writes: > > > On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 19:37:03 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > > On Jan 05, Ian Jackson wrote: > > > > > > > People who have been using a

[Fwd: Re: [DNG] FW: support for merged /usr in Debian]

Hi,  This message was not intended to be sent to a debian-* mailing list by the author. However, since it is (in my opinion) of large interest I got the permission to forward it to debian-devel. Hopefully, also some of the debian-devel subscribers will appreciate it too. Thanks!

Re: is the whole unstable still broken by gcc-5?

On Sun, 2015-09-13 at 11:21 +0200, Daniel Leidert wrote: > Am Samstag, den 12.09.2015, 21:55 +0300 schrieb Виталий Филиппов: > > That's what Sid/Unstable is used for. You'll have to live with that :) > This transition was IMHO a monster compared to the usual transitions > and it might happen

Re: Need help in downgrading evolution

On Sat, 2015-08-15 at 12:59 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 02:52:14PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: With the latest debian packages, 3.16.3-1.1 evo cannot any longer connect to Contacts and the gmail account. [...] Following sid has normally been OK, having to accept

Need help in downgrading evolution

Hi, With the latest debian packages, 3.16.3-1.1 evo cannot any longer connect to Contacts and the gmail account: Failed to connect to 'Contacts' Cannot find a corresponding account in the org.gnome.OnlineAccounts service from which to obtain a password for 'a...@gmail.com' Failed to connect

Re: Adding support for LZIP to dpkg, using that instead of xz, archive wide

On Thu, 2015-07-30 at 11:47 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 05:48:25PM +0200, Antonio Diaz Diaz wrote: Aggressive statement? I guess your community should change its own documentation. I merely copied the description from there: http://www.debian.org/intro/free

Re: Bug#786902: O: ifupdown -- high level tools to configure network interfaces

On Wed, 2015-05-27 at 22:12 +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: On Wed, 2015-05-27 at 20:50 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: I don't think ifupdown has been Debian's native tool for several years now. It is one among several available tools, and happens to be the only one with Debian as its

Re: Bug#786902: O: ifupdown -- high level tools to configure network interfaces

On Wed, 2015-05-27 at 22:12 +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: On Wed, 2015-05-27 at 20:50 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: I don't think ifupdown has been Debian's native tool for several years now. It is one among several available tools, and happens to be the only one with Debian as its

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

On Tue, 2015-05-05 at 09:17 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: [Speaking for the debian-hurd team] Lucas Nussbaum, le Mon 04 May 2015 08:28:22 +0200, a écrit : Maybe it's just about supporting and advertising debian-ports as Debian's official way to host second-class architectures. Maybe

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

On Tue, 2015-05-05 at 15:09 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: Svante Signell, le Tue 05 May 2015 15:00:55 +0200, a écrit : One of the main problems with debian-ports is that the Sources.gz file is empty: http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian/dists/unreleased/main/source/ No, this is really

Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

On Mon, 2015-02-16 at 23:45 +0100, Mart van de Wege wrote: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton l...@lkcl.net writes: On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Christian Seiler christ...@iwakd.de wrote: Am 16.02.2015 um 02:54 schrieb Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton:

Debian has abandoned many users also on upgrades by the CTTE decision on December 4 2014

Hello, Looking at the IRC log http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/debian-ctte.git/tree/meetings/20141204/debian-ctte.2014-12-04-18.00.log.txt lines 197 to 280 reveals the plan. Conclusion: quoting vorlon Steve Langasek: we recommend/support systemd being the default init system for

Re: DE features dependent on Systemd

On Wed, 2014-12-03 at 16:55 +, Simon McVittie wrote: On 03/12/14 14:46, Svante Signell wrote: On Wed, 2014-12-03 at 14:25 +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote: The problem with those groups is that they are not fine grained enough. If more granularity is needed, what's hindering

Re: DE features dependent on Systemd

On Fri, 2014-12-05 at 15:22 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, 2014-12-03 at 16:55 +, Simon McVittie wrote: On 03/12/14 14:46, Svante Signell wrote: If more granularity is needed, what's hindering introduction of even more groups: like

Re: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 12:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: Hello, In summary: a) Upgrades should _not_ change init: whatever is installed should be kept. b) New installs should get systemd-sysv as default init with a debconf message about alternative init systems. More detailed: 1) Fix

Re: DE features dependent on Systemd

On Wed, 2014-12-03 at 14:25 +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote: ❦ 3 décembre 2014 13:55 +0100, Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl : In both cases (systemd-sysv or systemd-shim), ACLs should be correctly set for the current user. This “adduser first-user audio” was already useless in squeeze

Re: DE features dependent on Systemd

On Wed, 2014-12-03 at 15:49 +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote: ❦ 3 décembre 2014 15:46 +0100, Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com : The problem with those groups is that they are not fine grained enough. For example, the video group gives access to the framebuffer device (the user can do

Re: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie (lendows 1)

One claim is changed, see below. On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 12:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: Hello, In summary: a) Upgrades should _not_ change init: whatever is installed should be kept. b) New installs should get systemd-sysv as default init with a debconf message about alternative init

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 19:12 +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 11:51:56AM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Samstag, 29. November 2014, 01:32:22 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: New dbus client library is also slated to become public when its ready and

Re: Bug#762194: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie (lendows 1)

On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 20:14 +0100, Philipp Kern wrote: On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 07:15:08PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: One claim is changed, see below. On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 12:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: Hello, In summary: a) Upgrades should _not_ change init: whatever

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 20:27 +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 06:33:44PM +, Ivan Shmakov wrote: Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl writes: […] The second part, making systemd portable, has already been widely discussed. There are

Re: Bug#762194: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie (lendows 1)

On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 20:19 +, Adam D. Barratt wrote: On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 20:40 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: This is another nail in the Universal OS coffin: Let's move to devuan, please! You are of course free to do that. This discussion is about what Debian should do, however

Re: Bug#762194: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie (lendows 1)

On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 22:01 +0100, Philipp Kern wrote: On 2014-11-29 21:30, Steve Langasek wrote: Debian releases when it's ready. If large numbers of our users are going to have a bad experience with jessie as a result of being switched to systemd, then we should take appropriate

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 08:45 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le jeudi 27 novembre 2014 à 21:29 +0100, Marc Haber a écrit : On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:19:14 +0100, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org If you want to help our users, you can contribute to debianfork, or you can improve your packages in

Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

Hello, In the (last) hope that the CTTE will bring this issue on the agenda next meeting on December 4. Additional information below and a short summary. On Wed, 2014-11-26 at 09:56 +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote: On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, Svante Signell wrote: (another partial? solution

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 13:48 +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Svante Signell wrote: It will be interesting to see how many Debian Maintainers and Developers will jump the ship and join them (in addition to the users). Future will I’ll tell you in the present. Github

Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

On Wed, 2014-11-26 at 09:56 +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote: On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, Svante Signell wrote: 2) In case you missed doing the above, you get a debconf prompt when No, no, no, no, no, no, no! Again: aborting the dist-upgrade in the debconf of one package may leave the system

Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

On Wed, 2014-11-26 at 09:56 +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote: On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, Svante Signell wrote: Does that work, anyway (i.e. does installing systemd and immediately reverting to sysvinit leave the system net unchanged, modulo the dependencies it pulls in (see planet post))? I've

Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

On Wed, 2014-11-26 at 14:46 +, Neil McGovern wrote: Hi, On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 09:29:28PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: 1) Heavily advertise (release-notes?) that doing an upgrade from wheezy/etc to jessie will give you systemd as init system and inform about the apt pinning solution

Re: Bug#668001: please help test proposed patch for bug#668001

On Tue, 2014-11-25 at 19:50 +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk (2014-11-25): Quoting Cyril Brulebois (2014-11-25 18:31:33) I'm not sure why people seem to believe that broadcasting a call for tests through their blog, Planet Debian, various Debian mailing

Proposal for upgrades to jessie

Hello, Below is a proposal for a (partial) solution for the upgrade problem of keeping the installed init system: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=765803 This has been discussed privately among selected users/DM/DDs and since the deadline for the ctte is December 4, it has to be

Re: Age of built packages to be part of the jessie release?

On Sat, 2014-11-22 at 15:36 +, Neil Williams wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 16:19:10 +0100 Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I wonder how old a package build can be to be part of the release. Some packages are built up to a year ago, and rebuilding them now FTBFS

Age of built packages to be part of the jessie release?

Hello, I wonder how old a package build can be to be part of the release. Some packages are built up to a year ago, and rebuilding them now FTBFS. What to do, file a bug or accept status quo? Thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Sat, 2014-11-15 at 13:37 +0100, Raphaël Halimi wrote: Le 13/11/2014 18:58, Ralf Jung a écrit : How does having yet another NTP client shut off existing NTP clients? How does having yet another way to configure your network shut off existing alternatives? How does having yet another

Some questions about the GR voting

Hi, I have two questions about the GR voting going on (I'm not subscribed to debian-vote, unfortunately, and somebody even wanted me to be banned :( ) 1) If a DD (the only persons able to vote?) change their mind, can they do so before the deadline, or is their vote set in stone once issued? 2)

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Thu, 2014-11-13 at 08:25 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de writes: I meanwhile see the systemd issue as a social problem within debian. There are design issues which are REALLY controversial. In the past Debian did good by delaying adoption of controversial technical

ITP? Sponsors of eudev, consolekit2, uselessd?

Hi, I'm currently looking into packaging eudev, consolekit2, uselessd for Debian. If doing so, is anybody interested in sponsoring uploads of these packages? It would be great to know, before digging into the details. If you wish, please reply to me privately. Thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Thu, 2014-11-13 at 13:39 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Patrick Ouellette poue...@debian.org writes: We do tell users of Debian what to do - that's part of the problem right now. We told the users they will switch init systems, and a large portion (or at least a vocal portion) don't want

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Fri, 2014-11-14 at 09:16 +1100, Brian May wrote: On 14 November 2014 04:20, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez clo...@igalia.com wrote: Which would suggest that udev might stop supporting the userspace-to-userspace netlink-based transport in the future. However, unless I am mistaken, I don't

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

On Fri, 2014-11-14 at 09:46 +1100, Brian May wrote: On 14 November 2014 09:30, Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com wrote: From an irc:(16:06:44) xxx: udevd starts very slowly without systemd... any chance i can speed it up? Assuming that report is accurate

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