Re: Status of the t64 transition

2024-04-19 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 09:22:02PM +0200, Sebastian Ramacher wrote: > Let's start with the first category. Those are packages that could be > binNMUed, but there are issues that make those rebuilds not have the > desired effect. This list include packages that > * are BD-Uninstallabe, > * FTBFS

Re: Debian

2024-04-19 Thread José Luis González González
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 10:09:26 +0200 José Luis González González wrote: > On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 09:59:57 +0200 > José Luis González González wrote: > > > On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 09:39:02 +0200 > > José Luis González González wrote: > > > > > Good day, > > > > > > There's an issue with the dash

Re: Status of the t64 transition

2024-04-19 Thread Étienne Mollier
Hi Sebastian, Andreas Tille, on 2024-04-19: > I've spotted these Debian Med packages. […] > Am Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 09:22:02PM +0200 schrieb Sebastian Ramacher: […] > > jellyfish > > quorum […] > No idea how we can help here. Please let us know if we can do > something. About these two

Re: Debian

2024-04-19 Thread Steve McIntyre
You've written a lot of text here in a few mails, replying to yourself several times. This is not a positive pattern. On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 11:58:18AM +0200, José Luis González González wrote: >> There are similar issues with boa and dhttpd, and it seems Apache is going >> that way. > >nvi

Re: Debian

2024-04-19 Thread José Luis González González
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 10:09:26 +0200 José Luis González González wrote: > On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 09:59:57 +0200 > José Luis González González wrote: > > > On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 09:39:02 +0200 > > José Luis González González wrote: > > > > > Good day, > > > > > > There's an issue with the dash

Re: Status of the t64 transition

2024-04-19 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Sebastian, thank you for your work on t64 transition. Am Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 09:22:02PM +0200 schrieb Sebastian Ramacher: I've spotted these Debian Med packages. > gentle > jellyfish > quorum > sbmltoolbox No idea how we can help here. Please let us know if we can do something. > anfo

Re: Status of the t64 transition

2024-04-19 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Hello, On Thu, 2024-04-18 at 21:22 +0200, Sebastian Ramacher wrote: > Finally, packages that need rebuilds but currently have open FTBFS (RC + > ftbfs tag) bugs: > (...) > virtualjaguar I already have a tentative patch and will fix the package within the next days. I am also preparing to fix two

Re: gnulib

2024-04-19 Thread Simon Josefsson
Jonas Smedegaard writes: > Quoting Simon Josefsson (2024-04-18 09:34:26) >> Jonas Smedegaard writes: >> >> > That said, you are welcome to try nudge me if some concrete task >> > emerges where you image I might be of help. >> >> Thanks -- I'm moving this out of 921954@bugs and cc'ing

Re: Status of the t64 transition

2024-04-19 Thread Simon Josefsson
Sebastian Ramacher writes: > Hi, > > as the progress on the t64 transition is slowing down, I want to give an > overview of some of the remaining blockers that we need to tackle to get > it unstuck. I tried to identify some clusters of issues, but there might > be other classes of issues.

Re: dash and mutt

2024-04-19 Thread Leandro Cunha
Hi, Em sex., 19 de abr. de 2024, 04:46, Marco d'Itri escreveu: > On Apr 19, José Luis González González wrote: > > > I even tried to reach dash maintainer privately and he is not even on > > the package's field (queried by dpkg), there's someone who is obviosly > > fake instead: Andrej Shadura

Re: Debian

2024-04-19 Thread José Luis González González
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 09:59:57 +0200 José Luis González González wrote: > On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 09:39:02 +0200 > José Luis González González wrote: > > > Good day, > > > > There's an issue with the dash package and maintainer, and mutt as well. > > > > I even tried to reach dash maintainer

Re: dash and mutt

2024-04-19 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Apr 19, José Luis González González wrote: > I even tried to reach dash maintainer privately and he is not even on > the package's field (queried by dpkg), there's someone who is obviosly > fake instead: Andrej Shadura I have met Andrej a few times and I am quite sure that he is real. Or

Re: Status of the t64 transition

2024-04-19 Thread Sebastian Ramacher
On 2024-04-19 06:02:03 +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: > On 2024-04-18 Sebastian Ramacher wrote: > [...] > > Let's start with the first category. Those are packages that could be > > binNMUed, but there are issues that make those rebuilds not have the > > desired effect. This list include packages

Re: debian-policy: clarify requirement for use of Static-Built-Using

2024-04-19 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello Go and Rust packagers, On Thu 18 Apr 2024 at 11:29pm +03, Maytham Alsudany wrote: > With the increasing amount of programs in Debian that Build-Depend and > statically link with Golang and Rust libraries, it's important that > the Debian Policy clearly sets out the requirements for

Re: Status of the t64 transition

2024-04-18 Thread Andreas Metzler
On 2024-04-18 Sebastian Ramacher wrote: [...] > Let's start with the first category. Those are packages that could be > binNMUed, but there are issues that make those rebuilds not have the > desired effect. This list include packages that > * are BD-Uninstallabe, > * FTBFS but with out

Re: gnulib

2024-04-18 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Simon Josefsson (2024-04-18 09:34:26) > Jonas Smedegaard writes: > > > That said, you are welcome to try nudge me if some concrete task > > emerges where you image I might be of help. > > Thanks -- I'm moving this out of 921954@bugs and cc'ing debian-devel to > allow others to help and

Re: Silent hijacking and stripping records from changelog

2024-04-18 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Jonathan Dowland (2024-04-18 09:35:41) > On Wed Apr 17, 2024 at 7:26 PM BST, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > To be fair, I _was_ upset (not with Jonathan, but) earlier in this > > thread, which makes it harder to err on the side of a mistake when I > > write something that can be read as being

Re: Silent hijacking and stripping records from changelog

2024-04-18 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 4/9/24 03:25, James McCoy wrote: When I first started looking into Rust packaging it was initially going to be for a workspace of crates. I didn't receive any pushback when I asked about taking over the one crate that had already been packaged and handling it from a single source package for

Re: Silent hijacking and stripping records from changelog

2024-04-18 Thread Timo Röhling
Hi, * Jonathan Dowland [2024-04-18 08:35]: Sorry, Jonathan, for being difficult to read here. No problem: Sorry for lapsing in assuming good faith on my part. The way both of you handled this misunderstanding was... exemplary. SCNR Timo -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀

Re: Silent hijacking and stripping records from changelog

2024-04-18 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed Apr 17, 2024 at 7:26 PM BST, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > To be fair, I _was_ upset (not with Jonathan, but) earlier in this > thread, which makes it harder to err on the side of a mistake when I > write something that can be read as being sarcastic. I would be upset too if my packages were

Re: gnulib

2024-04-18 Thread Simon Josefsson
Jonas Smedegaard writes: > That said, you are welcome to try nudge me if some concrete task > emerges where you image I might be of help. Thanks -- I'm moving this out of 921954@bugs and cc'ing debian-devel to allow others to help and to allow you from not having to feel a need to reply at all

Re: Silent hijacking and stripping records from changelog

2024-04-17 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Russ Allbery (2024-04-17 19:53:06) > Jonas Smedegaard writes: > > Quoting Jonathan Dowland (2024-04-17 17:29:11) > >> On Wed Apr 17, 2024 at 10:39 AM BST, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > >>> Interesting: Can you elaborate on those examplary contributions of > >>> yours which highlighted a

Re: Silent hijacking and stripping records from changelog

2024-04-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Jonas Smedegaard writes: > Quoting Jonathan Dowland (2024-04-17 17:29:11) >> On Wed Apr 17, 2024 at 10:39 AM BST, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >>> Interesting: Can you elaborate on those examplary contributions of >>> yours which highlighted a need for maintaining all Haskell packages in >>> same git

Re: Silent hijacking and stripping records from changelog

2024-04-17 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
[replying list-only - unable to identify who is subscribed] Quoting Jonathan Dowland (2024-04-17 17:29:11) > On Wed Apr 17, 2024 at 10:39 AM BST, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > (or did I misunderstand your point?) > > You misunderstood my point: I was actually supporting your position. Oh! >

Re: Silent hijacking and stripping records from changelog

2024-04-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed Apr 17, 2024 at 10:39 AM BST, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > (or did I misunderstand your point?) You misunderstood my point: I was actually supporting your position. You've read it entirely backwards. > Interesting: Can you elaborate on those examplary contributions of yours > which

Re: Bug#1066871: RFS: libhyprlang/0.5.0-1 [ITP] -- Configuration language for Hyprland

2024-04-17 Thread Mo Zhou
Hi Alan, I granted you with the maintainer access to this repo: https://salsa.debian.org/debian/hyprlang This package has cleared the NEW queue a while ago: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/hyprlang Could you please push your changes from personal repo to the above repo? I can also do it for you

Re: Silent hijacking and stripping records from changelog

2024-04-17 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Jonathan Dowland (2024-04-17 11:14:20) > On Mon Apr 8, 2024 at 9:21 PM BST, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > What I am not open to is abandon the one-git-repo-per-source-package > > packaging style that is commonly practiced in Debian. As I understand > > it, only Haskell and Rust teams use

Re: Silent hijacking and stripping records from changelog

2024-04-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon Apr 8, 2024 at 9:21 PM BST, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > What I am not open to is abandon the one-git-repo-per-source-package > packaging style that is commonly practiced in Debian. As I understand > it, only Haskell and Rust teams use giant-git-for-all-team-packages > style I've never

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
On 12.04.24 00:52, Bill Allombert wrote: These contributions always need to be carefull reviewed before being accepted. As likely as not, they are either slightly incorrect or introducing subtle breakages in some case the submitter did not envision. This is where an expert maintainer is most

Bug#1068962: ITP: python-re-assert -- show where your regex match assertion failed

2024-04-14 Thread Dale Richards
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Dale Richards X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, d...@dalerichards.net * Package name: python-re-assert Version : 1.1.0 Upstream Contact: Anthony Sottile <https://github.com/asottile> * URL : https://gith

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-14 Thread Andreas Tille
Am Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 09:36:25PM +0200 schrieb Bastian Blank: > > - I also think disallowing single-person maintainership would be very > > unwise, > > though I agree team maintenance in general is probably better than > > single-person maintainership. Still disallowing single-person > >

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-13 Thread gregor herrmann
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 09:26:10 +, Mike Gabriel wrote: > Debian is about freedom, so let's apply that to free choice of the tooling > to be usable. I disagree. "Freedom" is about Free Software, so-called freedom in packaging has high costs as people (who look at more than their "own" favourite

Processed: Re: Bug#1068823: (No Subject)

2024-04-13 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing control commands: > reassign -1 src:apt Bug #1068823 [general] Stepwise Debian upgrade to enable systems with little free storage space to upgrade without breaks due to "No space left on device" Bug reassigned from package 'general' to 'src:apt'. Ignoring request to alter found

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-13 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 at 10:11, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: > > > New contributors won't start in a vacuum, most will start contributing > > first to existing projects on Salsa > > Or maybe they start with an ITP+RFS… was that an informed statement or a > supposition? It is my experience in receiving

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-13 Thread Nilesh Patra
On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 10:08:07AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > Am Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 01:16:37AM +0900 schrieb Simon Richter: > > > > For example, any repository that does not list debian/files and > > debian/*.substvars in the gitignore will fail to build twice in a row, > > because these

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-13 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 10:08:07AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > > For example, any repository that does not list debian/files and > > debian/*.substvars in the gitignore will fail to build twice in a row, > > because these files are created and are subsequently untracked. > > Sorry, no. We

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-13 Thread Andreas Tille
Am Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 01:16:37AM +0900 schrieb Simon Richter: > > For example, any repository that does not list debian/files and > debian/*.substvars in the gitignore will fail to build twice in a row, > because these files are created and are subsequently untracked. Sorry, no. We should

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-13 Thread Patrick Winnertz
On 12.04.24 19:28, Luca Boccassi wrote: New contributors won't start in a vacuum, most will start contributing first to existing projects on Salsa, which are already set up and configured to do what is needed, if it is needed. +1 here Git is the bare minimum these days, and has been for

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-12 Thread Bastian Blank
t just re-use upstreams CI tests. And which conflict outside of git with the next upstream version. I just stopped that and use git alone. > - I also think disallowing single-person maintainership would be very unwise, > though I agree team maintenance in general is probably better tha

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-12 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 at 17:17, Simon Richter wrote: > > Hi, > > On 13.04.24 00:19, Marc Haber wrote: > > >> 'Require' is probably the wrong word. I simply have heard from several > >> potential young contributors that they feel blocked by the tooling and > >> specifically not everything in Git. >

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-12 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On 13.04.24 00:19, Marc Haber wrote: 'Require' is probably the wrong word. I simply have heard from several potential young contributors that they feel blocked by the tooling and specifically not everything in Git. That does not only apply to young contributors. I am an old fart and I

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-12 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 22:44:25 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: >'Require' is probably the wrong word. I simply have heard from several >potential young contributors that they feel blocked by the tooling and >specifically not everything in Git. That does not only apply to young contributors. I am an

Re: Debian Policy 4.7.0.0 released

2024-04-12 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Please do it yourself by following the instructions here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/ Maycon Antônio wrote on 08/04/2024 at 17:44:20+0200: > Please cancel my name from this list, thank you. > > On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 at 12:32, Sean Whitton wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> I just

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-12 Thread Gioele Barabucci
On 12/04/24 15:00, Marc Haber wrote: On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 09:26:10 +, Mike Gabriel wrote: Also regarding gbp, my packaging workflow does not require it (debian/-folder-only in Git). Being enforced to use some other pkg'ing style would reduce my fun and end up with less productivity, I fear.

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-12 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 20:51:45 +0200, Gioele Barabucci wrote: >Asking maintainers "to use git" means: please push your changes, even >those unreleased to a public git repository (salsa, github, codeberg, >your own domain...), so other people can contribute 1) knowing that they >are working

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-12 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 09:26:10 +, Mike Gabriel wrote: >Also regarding gbp, my packaging workflow does not require it >(debian/-folder-only in Git). Being enforced to use some other pkg'ing >style would reduce my fun and end up with less productivity, I fear. >The gbp workflow has its

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-12 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 18:37:23 +, Holger Levsen wrote: >- I also think disallowing single-person maintainership would be very unwise, > though I agree team maintenance in general is probably better than > single-person maintainership. Agreed. > Still disallowing single-person maintainership

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-12 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 09:53:29AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Tue Apr 9, 2024 at 7:37 PM BST, Holger Levsen wrote: [...] > I agree with everything you say here! :) > Wrt git-buildpackage, I'd like to add that personally, I respect the gbp > authors and maintainers and it's a very useful

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-12 Thread Mike Gabriel
Hi all, hi Holger, On Di 09 Apr 2024 18:37:23 UTC, Holger Levsen wrote: hi, just adding some random data points to this thread: - I love git. - I very much dislike git-buildpackage, too much magic. I try to avoid it where I can. - I like salsa. (though I think for many new contributors

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue Apr 9, 2024 at 7:37 PM BST, Holger Levsen wrote: > - I love git. > - I very much dislike git-buildpackage, too much magic. I try to avoid it > where I can. > - I like salsa. (though I think for many new contributors this is rather > a barrier "why not use github" directly. Also salsa is

Re: New supply-chain security tool: backseat-signed

2024-04-11 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 01:27:54PM -0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > At 2024-04-11T15:37:46+0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 10:26:55AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > > > Or, because some upstream maintainers have learned through, long, > > > bitter experience that newer

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-11 Thread Bill Allombert
Le Tue, Apr 09, 2024 at 12:18:02AM +0200, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues a écrit : > we need both. Domain specific knowledge is clearly very important and I'm not > trying to argue against it. But doing packaging in a way such that it becomes > easy for others to contribute is *also* every

Re: New supply-chain security tool: backseat-signed

2024-04-11 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2024-04-11T15:37:46+0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 10:26:55AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > > Or, because some upstream maintainers have learned through, long, > > bitter experience that newer versions of autoconf tools may result > > in the generated configure script to be

Re: New supply-chain security tool: backseat-signed

2024-04-11 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 03:37:46PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > When was the last time this actually happened to you? I certainly > remember it being a problem in the early 2.5x days, but it's been well > over a decade since this actually bit me. I'd have to go through git archives, but I

Re: New supply-chain security tool: backseat-signed

2024-04-11 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 10:26:55AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Sat, Apr 06, 2024 at 04:30:44PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > > But, it is conventional for Autotools projects to ship the generated > > ./configure script *as well* (for example this is what `make dist` > > outputs), to allow

Re: New supply-chain security tool: backseat-signed

2024-04-11 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Sat, Apr 06, 2024 at 04:30:44PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > > But, it is conventional for Autotools projects to ship the generated > ./configure script *as well* (for example this is what `make dist` > outputs), to allow the project to be compiled on systems that do not > have the complete

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-10 Thread Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues
Quoting Andreas Tille (2024-04-10 22:44:25) > > I do understand the argument that lots of different workflows adds > > friction. But I'm just still using what used to be _the_ standard one > > (insofar as we ever had such a thing). Putting everything in salsa/git > > doesn't standardise workflows

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-10 Thread gregor herrmann
On Tue, 09 Apr 2024 17:52:43 +0100, Wookey wrote: > On 2024-04-08 21:44 +0900, Simon Richter wrote: > > Testing a package requires me to > > commit everything into git first, so I have to remember to squash all these > > commits later. > Right - this was (one of the) main thing(s) that annoyed me

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-10 Thread Andreas Tille
blame you about some fat commits. > Sometimes git is useful - I do use it quite intensively for things > where it actually helps (complicated cave survey datasets with > hundreds of entangled commits that need re-ordering). For the vast > majority of my debian packaging it's just make

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-10 Thread gregor herrmann
On Tue, 09 Apr 2024 16:07:20 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > Am Mon, Apr 08, 2024 at 03:45:48PM +0200 schrieb Julien Puydt: > > I only use salsa's git. That begs two questions: > > - What do I miss by not using the web interface? > If you are owner of a team repository you need to manage members.

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-09 Thread Scott Kitterman
On April 9, 2024 6:37:23 PM UTC, Holger Levsen wrote: >hi, > >just adding some random data points to this thread: > >- I love git. >- I very much dislike git-buildpackage, too much magic. I try to avoid it > where I can. >- I like salsa. (though I think for many new contributors this is

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-09 Thread Gioele Barabucci
On 09/04/24 18:52, Wookey wrote: So why mandate salsa rather than make dgit more official? Independently from whether salsa should be mandated, "git", "salsa" and "dgit" are three different things and should not be used as replacement of one another. Asking maintainers "to use git" means:

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-09 Thread Bill Allombert
On Mon, Apr 08, 2024 at 11:00:52PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: > ...right up until the point where that "bus factor of 1" moves > on/changes priorities/changes job/etc and the package is abandoned. > Fortunately that never happens, though! Having a repository on salsa or even "packaging team"

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-09 Thread Holger Levsen
hi, just adding some random data points to this thread: - I love git. - I very much dislike git-buildpackage, too much magic. I try to avoid it where I can. - I like salsa. (though I think for many new contributors this is rather a barrier "why not use github" directly. Also salsa is Debian

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-09 Thread Jose-Luis Rivas
h simple y and n. You can also split blocks. If you prefer to just make a bunch of small commits and then combine them all into one big-fat commit, just use git rebase -i HEAD~N with N being how many commits you want to rebase. This will give you a file text where you decide which commits are squa

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-09 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Tue, Apr 09, 2024 at 07:43:04PM +0200, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: > > And I do just prefer having two directories rather than multiple > > version on top of each other. My simple brain finds it a lot easier to > > keep track of a version directory to diff between, rather than

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-09 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Tue, Apr 09, 2024 at 05:52:43PM +0100, Wookey wrote: > Right - this was (one of the) main thing(s) that annoyed me enough to > just go back to the non-git based workflow. I want to make changes and > try them. I don't want to have to commit every damn time - it's not > done yet - I'll commit it

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-09 Thread Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues
Hi Wookey and all, Quoting Wookey (2024-04-09 18:52:43) > On 2024-04-08 21:44 +0900, Simon Richter wrote: > > Testing a package requires me to commit everything into git first, so I > > have to remember to squash all these commits later. > Right - this was (one of the) main thing(s) that annoyed

Re: About Package Maintenance (was: Question to all candidates: What are your technical goals)

2024-04-09 Thread Andreas Tille
Am Tue, Apr 09, 2024 at 01:03:10PM + schrieb Stefano Rivera: > > I have also noticed that the young people we manage to recruit are > > usually not interested too much in the boring gruntwork of maintaining > > important core packages (like adduser and sudo) but instead want to do > > "new"

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-09 Thread Wookey
it quite intensively for things where it actually helps (complicated cave survey datasets with hundreds of entangled commits that need re-ordering). For the vast majority of my debian packaging it's just makework. I realise this (like my previous message) will result in a load of people telling me git _i

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-09 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Julien, Am Mon, Apr 08, 2024 at 03:45:48PM +0200 schrieb Julien Puydt: > > I only use salsa's git. That begs two questions: > - What do I miss by not using the web interface? If you are owner of a team repository you need to manage members. As far as I know this is only possible via web

Re: About Package Maintenance (was: Question to all candidates: What are your technical goals)

2024-04-09 Thread Stefano Rivera
Hi Marc (2024.04.08_16:48:13_+) > I have also noticed that the young people we manage to recruit are > usually not interested too much in the boring gruntwork of maintaining > important core packages (like adduser and sudo) but instead want to do > "new" things. But, otoh, what would Debian be

Re: About Package Maintenance (was: Question to all candidates: What are your technical goals)

2024-04-09 Thread Colin Watson
[I'm skipping most of this email because I haven't generally been keeping up with the thread, but thought it might be worth pointing out one thing.] On Mon, Apr 08, 2024 at 06:48:13PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > On Thu, Apr 04, 2024 at 12:38:34PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > > Before uploading I

Re: About Package Maintenance

2024-04-09 Thread Gioele Barabucci
On 09/04/24 08:52, Simon Richter wrote: Otoh, I am fully aware of the "you can't force a volunteer to do things", knowing that I myself would be the first one to violently oppose a decision that I don't like while - at the same time - being mad at some core package maintainers who have forced

Re: syslog-ng: identified for time_t transition but no ABI in shlibs

2024-04-09 Thread Shengjing Zhu
On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 9:15 PM Attila Szalay wrote: > > Ok. I re-checked the patch and realized that I checked the only wrong > module (the only one which is arch all and not any). > > So my apologies for the fuzz and will apply the patch with the > appropriate changes. > &

Re: Silent hijacking and stripping records from changelog

2024-04-09 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
t cargo crate. ¹ "Package naming" in https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/RustPackaging/Policy > > > > I'd still prefer if we could consolidate our efforts into the rust > > > > team (and re-integrate your forks of our package helpers), rather > > > > than ha

Re: About Package Maintenance

2024-04-09 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On 4/9/24 01:48, Marc Haber wrote: Otoh, I am fully aware of the "you can't force a volunteer to do things", knowing that I myself would be the first one to violently oppose a decision that I don't like while - at the same time - being mad at some core package maintainers who have forced

Re: Silent hijacking and stripping records from changelog

2024-04-08 Thread James McCoy
pping on your work. > > Yes, please improve your tooling to better align with Debian packaging > rules, not assume your team rules apply also outside of your team. Having policy for a language ecosystem is pretty common, since that makes it easier to interoperate. > > > I'd still

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-08 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 at 23:23, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > On 17194 March 1977, Luca Boccassi wrote: > >> Simple packages need someone who is responsible and responsive for > >> them > >> in the long run and know there history much more than needing > >> sporadic > >> contributions. > > ...right up

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-08 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 17194 March 1977, Luca Boccassi wrote: Simple packages need someone who is responsible and responsive for them in the long run and know there history much more than needing sporadic contributions. ...right up until the point where that "bus factor of 1" moves on/changes priorities/changes

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-08 Thread Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues
Quoting Bill Allombert (2024-04-08 23:49:05) > Le Sun, Apr 07, 2024 at 11:37:47PM +0200, Gioele Barabucci a écrit : > > On 07/04/24 23:11, Bill Allombert wrote: > > > > What is your opinion about pushing logtool to Salsa? > > > > > > Not speaking for logtool obviously, but maintaining simple

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-08 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 at 22:49, Bill Allombert wrote: > > Le Sun, Apr 07, 2024 at 11:37:47PM +0200, Gioele Barabucci a écrit : > > On 07/04/24 23:11, Bill Allombert wrote: > > > > What is your opinion about pushing logtool to Salsa? > > > > > > Not speaking for logtool obviously, but maintaining

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-08 Thread Bill Allombert
Le Sun, Apr 07, 2024 at 11:37:47PM +0200, Gioele Barabucci a écrit : > On 07/04/24 23:11, Bill Allombert wrote: > > > What is your opinion about pushing logtool to Salsa? > > > > Not speaking for logtool obviously, but maintaining simple packages on > > salsa is > > just useless bureaucracy. >

Re: Silent hijacking and stripping records from changelog

2024-04-08 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
ur tooling to better detect this so we get accurate information > > presented to us and avoid stepping on your work. Yes, please improve your tooling to better align with Debian packaging rules, not assume your team rules apply also outside of your team. > > I'd still prefer if we

Re: About Package Maintenance (was: Question to all candidates: What are your technical goals)

2024-04-08 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, April 8, 2024 12:48:13 PM EDT Marc Haber wrote: > > > "we replace exim with postfix as the default MTA", > > > > A, this question always makes me wonder: If our default MTA is exim > > why do I have such a hard time to find documents about exim in wiki.d.o > > while there is

Re: Debian Policy 4.7.0.0 released

2024-04-08 Thread Maycon Antônio
Please cancel my name from this list, thank you. On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 at 12:32, Sean Whitton wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I just pushed version 4.7.0.0 of the Debian Policy Manual and related > documents to sid. Below you will find the significant normative changes > from the

Re: Silent hijacking and stripping records from changelog

2024-04-08 Thread Alexander Kjäll
te information presented to us and avoid > stepping on your work. > > I'd still prefer if we could consolidate our efforts into the rust > team (and re-integrate your forks of our package helpers), rather than > have two divergent sources of rust packaging. > > Cheers, > -- > James > GPG Key: 4096R/91BF BF4D 6956 BD5D F7B7 2D23 DFE6 91AE 331B A3DB

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-08 Thread Simon Richter
Hi Julien, On 4/8/24 22:45, Julien Puydt wrote: I only use salsa's git. That begs two questions: - What do I miss by not using the web interface? > - What does that web interface have that people don't like? It's a normal GitLab install. For anything that is a normal software project (like

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-08 Thread Fabio Fantoni
Il 08/04/2024 15:45, Julien Puydt ha scritto: Hi Le lun. 8 avr. 2024, 14:45, Simon Richter a écrit : The web interface presented by salsa also does not have the necessary data<->metadata filters to provide an actual insight into what is really happening in the repository.

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-08 Thread Julien Puydt
Hi Le lun. 8 avr. 2024, 14:45, Simon Richter a écrit : > The web interface presented by salsa also does not have the necessary > data<->metadata filters to provide an actual insight into what is really > happening in the repository. > It's been several times already some people complain about

Re: syslog-ng: identified for time_t transition but no ABI in shlibs

2024-04-08 Thread Attila Szalay
Ok. I re-checked the patch and realized that I checked the only wrong module (the only one which is arch all and not any). So my apologies for the fuzz and will apply the patch with the appropriate changes. But here my original reply too: I admit that I joined late to this conversation. But my

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-08 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Mon, Apr 08, 2024 at 09:44:55PM +0900, Simon Richter wrote: > > I don't mind what other people do, but I worry that conversations like > > this seem to take the new thing as so self-evidently better that > > no-one can reasonably complain about them being made a > > requirement. Well, we don't

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-08 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On 4/8/24 05:42, Wookey wrote: I don't mind what other people do, but I worry that conversations like this seem to take the new thing as so self-evidently better that no-one can reasonably complain about them being made a requirement. Well, we don't all think it's better, and I wouldn't

Re: Bug#1068479 cynically closed by Rene Engelhard (Re: Bug#1068479: libreoffice-writer: space between paragraphs missing in spacing and indentation)

2024-04-08 Thread Marvin Renich
* José Luis González [240407 15:00]: > reopen 1068479 > thanks > > Hi all, > > Rene Engelhard seems to be a worse case even than Ricardo Mones. Take a > look at my recent bug reports to libreoffice-writer and his replies. > > In this one: > > > Am 06.04.24 um 11:03 schrieb Rene Engelhard: > >

Re: Silent hijacking and stripping records from changelog

2024-04-08 Thread James McCoy
source package where as you've been packaging an entire workspace as a source package. We need to adapt our tooling to better detect this so we get accurate information presented to us and avoid stepping on your work. I'd still prefer if we could consolidate our efforts into the rust team (and re-int

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-08 Thread Steve McIntyre
Bill Alombert wrote: >On Sun, Apr 07, 2024 at 04:04:18PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: >> Hi Wouter, >> >> Am Sun, Apr 07, 2024 at 03:31:43PM +0200 schrieb Wouter Verhelst: >> > [Feel free to quote any part of this email which I wrote outside of this >> > mailinglist] >> >> OK, moving the

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-07 Thread Undef
> Then there is salsa... I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, it's > this big beast with tons of javascript and apparently we are not even > dog-fooding gitlab as packaged in Debian to overseves. I'd like our > infrastructure to be based on the things we offer in our distro. And it's

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-07 Thread Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues
Hi, Quoting Wookey (2024-04-07 22:42:34) > On 2024-04-07 16:04 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > > Am Sun, Apr 07, 2024 at 03:31:43PM +0200 schrieb Wouter Verhelst: > > > [Feel free to quote any part of this email which I wrote outside of this > > > mailinglist] > > OK, moving the discussion to

Re: Bug#1068479 cynically closed by Rene Engelhard (Re: Bug#1068479: libreoffice-writer: space between paragraphs missing in spacing and indentation)

2024-04-07 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Good evening, José Luis González wrote on 07/04/2024 at 20:59:53+0200: > Hi all, > > Rene Engelhard seems to be a worse case even than Ricardo Mones. Take a > look at my recent bug reports to libreoffice-writer and his replies. Your attitude is not okay, be it in this mail or in the sylpheed

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-07 Thread Gioele Barabucci
On 07/04/24 23:11, Bill Allombert wrote: What is your opinion about pushing logtool to Salsa? Not speaking for logtool obviously, but maintaining simple packages on salsa is just useless bureaucracy. As a contributor, having a package on salsa is extremely useful, far from "useless". By

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