On 25.11.2014 16:29, Philip Hands wrote:
How is it that Debian changing the default for something on some of
What about the enforced replace on dist-upgrade, which at least
produces lots of extra work and can easily cause systems being
unbootable ?
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Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult enrico.weig...@gr13.net writes:
What about the enforced replace on dist-upgrade, which at least produces
lots of extra work and can easily cause systems being unbootable ?
It's an urban legend that people are getting all upset about even though
it's not
On Fri, 2014-12-05 at 03:47 +0100, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
wrote:
No, it's not, and it's pretty cheap, if done right.
Yes it definitely is, because simply by having gazillions of different
users on the same host, you increase the chance that someone is doing
something stupid, which can
Marco d'Itri, 2014-12-04 23:58:58 +0100 :
On Dec 04, Christoph Anton Mitterer cales...@scientia.net wrote:
While using many more times the resources. You obviously have no idea of
the challenges of providing secure web hosting for non-trivial
quantities of web sites.
So what do you
On 29.11.2014 20:43, Svante Signell wrote:
The best for kFreeBSD and Hurd would be to abandoning the Debian ship.
It is sinking :( (just let the devuan people get things in order first)
Well, I'll also put my projecsts on getting rid of polkit into that
direction. Why ? Because I've got the
On 29.11.2014 20:45, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
As for Systemd being the default (on Debian GNU/Linux,
specifically), – I guess I shouldn’t bother. GNOME is also the
default, but I cannot readily recall ever having it running on
my Debian installs.
By the way: didn't
On 28.11.2014 19:09, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
For many things, CGI is actually the only way to run them securely,
since it's the only way to run foreign processes in a container
environment (chroots, etc.) or with user privilege separation.
Not entirely true. About a decade ago, I've
Hi,
Christoph Anton Mitterer:
For many things, CGI is actually the only way to run them securely,
since it's the only way to run foreign processes in a container
environment (chroots, etc.) or with user privilege separation.
?
If you can run a CGI inside a chroot/container/whatever, you can
On Dec 04, Matthias Urlichs matth...@urlichs.de wrote:
If you can run a CGI inside a chroot/container/whatever, you can run a
small web server on a local port / Unix socket, and reverse-proxy it,
just as easily.
While using many more times the resources. You obviously have no idea of
the
Hi,
Marco d'Itri:
On Dec 04, Matthias Urlichs matth...@urlichs.de wrote:
If you can run a CGI inside a chroot/container/whatever, you can run a
small web server on a local port / Unix socket, and reverse-proxy it,
just as easily.
While using many more times the resources.
Which many
On Thu, 2014-12-04 at 17:03 +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
If you can run a CGI inside a chroot/container/whatever, you can run a
small web server on a local port / Unix socket, and reverse-proxy it,
just as easily.
Well that's probably roughly the same, although I'd still feel better if
On Thu, 2014-12-04 at 21:14 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
While using many more times the resources. You obviously have no idea of
the challenges of providing secure web hosting for non-trivial
quantities of web sites.
So what do you want to imply would be secure?
Apart from that, when you
On Dec 04, Christoph Anton Mitterer cales...@scientia.net wrote:
While using many more times the resources. You obviously have no idea of
the challenges of providing secure web hosting for non-trivial
quantities of web sites.
So what do you want to imply would be secure?
The point is not
On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 22:23:15 +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer
cales...@scientia.net wrote:
Apart from that, when you speak of non-trivial quantities - I'd
probably say that running gazillion websites from different entities on
one host is generally a really bad idea.
Gazillions of websites are
Christoph Anton Mitterer cales...@scientia.net writes:
On Thu, 2014-12-04 at 21:14 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
FastCGI is another thing that almost nobody can afford when hosting a
significant number of web sites.
Why not?
When I've investigated in mod-php vs. cgi vs. fcgi, the fcgi turned
On 02.12.2014 06:01, Paul Wise wrote:
gnome depends on apache ?
gnome-user-share uses apache2 to share files on the local network via WebDAV.
Is this an purely optional program, or does gnome itself depend on it ?
seriously ?
Sharing files with other computers on the local network seems
On 04.12.2014 22:23, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
Apart from that, when you speak of non-trivial quantities - I'd
probably say that running gazillion websites from different entities on
one host is generally a really bad idea.
No, it's not, and it's pretty cheap, if done right.
Several
On 25.11.2014 18:30, Stephen Gran wrote:
Excellent. I'm sure that if they can create a deb, they can install
sysvinit, or runit, or some BSD, or whatever else they want. A default
is only a default, after all.
Just curious about the term default:
Can I still install a system w/o systemd
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
Is this an purely optional program, or does gnome itself depend on it ?
Please review the dependencies of the gnome metapackage.
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On 27.11.2014 00:29, Noel Torres wrote:
manpower required to maintain a distribution with more than one init
system widey installed, manpower to perform the required changes to
support multiple init systems in Jessie, centered about the most
important question: our users.
Just curious: how
On 27.11.2014 11:18, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Desktops (not only GNOME) use a very tiny bit of systemd, interfaces
that could be provided elsewhere. The real purpose of systemd is to
provide a modern init system.
I still wonder why there are provided within systemd then.
Same for me. If
On 27.11.2014 11:53, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
Yes, the logind-related parte _could_ be provided elsewhere, but part of
the features logind needs is already implemented in systemd.
Can you understand, that this method is exactly one of the major reason
why many people dont like the systemd
Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult enrico.weig...@gr13.net writes:
On 27.11.2014 00:29, Noel Torres wrote:
manpower required to maintain a distribution with more than one init
system widey installed, manpower to perform the required changes to
support multiple init systems in Jessie, centered
On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 05:02:27AM +0100, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
wrote:
On 27.11.2014 11:53, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
Yes, the logind-related parte _could_ be provided elsewhere, but part of
the features logind needs is already implemented in systemd.
Can you understand, that
On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 03:58:53AM +0100, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
wrote:
On 25.11.2014 18:30, Stephen Gran wrote:
Excellent. I'm sure that if they can create a deb, they can install
sysvinit, or runit, or some BSD, or whatever else they want. A default
is only a default, after
Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult enrico.weig...@gr13.net writes:
Same for me. If there really is some functionality which some DEs really
need, why not having an entirely separate tool for that ?
Anyways, I still didn't understand why udev is bundled within systemd.
And I don't understand
This one time, at band camp, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult said:
On 25.11.2014 18:30, Stephen Gran wrote:
Excellent. I'm sure that if they can create a deb, they can install
sysvinit, or runit, or some BSD, or whatever else they want. A default
is only a default, after all.
Just
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Philipp Kern wrote:
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 04:40:50PM +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
Hey, there are *still* bugs found because of s390 (not s390x).
Uhm. s390x is 64bit BE; ppc64 and sparc64 never made it into the archive.
Sure, but I was thinking of other issues, like
On Sat, 29 Nov 2014, Svante Signell wrote:
The best for kFreeBSD and Hurd would be to abandoning the Debian ship.
No.
It is sinking
It has sunk, but not gone underwater yet completely.
(just let the devuan people get things in order first)
And can you *please* *stop* the devuan trolling?
On Sat, 29 Nov 2014, Axel Wagner wrote:
[…]
Axel Wagner
*plonk*
Congrats, you’re the second person, after Josselin.
(No, this eMail was not the only one, just the one to trigger overflow.)
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Hi,
Thorsten Glaser:
Axel Wagner
*plonk*
There have been much worse emails here than calling somebody a troll for
intentionally posting misleading information.
If it quacks like a duck, and all that.
The only other reason for you to plonk Axel I could find (after reading the
last couple of
On Sunday, 30 de November de 2014 18:05:54 Neil Williams escribió:
[...]
Contribute code or stop wasting everyone's time on the mailing lists.
Contributing code is not the only way to contribute to Debian. At least to the
Debian I love. Please come out of the developer shell. Translators, e.g.
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Noel Torres wrote:
Contributing code is not the only way to contribute to Debian. At least to the
Debian I love. Please come out of the developer shell. Translators, e.g. are a
very important part of the project, even if they have not been give the same
voting
On 27.11.2014 02:18, Josh Triplett wrote:
gnome Depends: gnome-core, which Depends: gnome-user-share, which
Depends: apache2-bin (or apache2.2-bin in stable, which is a
transitional package depending on apache2-bin in unstable).
gnome depends on apache ?
seriously ?
cu
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On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
On 27.11.2014 02:18, Josh Triplett wrote:
gnome Depends: gnome-core, which Depends: gnome-user-share, which
Depends: apache2-bin (or apache2.2-bin in stable, which is a
transitional package depending on apache2-bin in unstable).
gnome
Le samedi 29 novembre 2014 à 16:37 +, Ivan Shmakov a écrit :
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
[…]
Desktops (not only GNOME) use a very tiny bit of systemd, interfaces
that could be provided elsewhere.
Is that “use” as in “if available” or is that actually
On Friday, 28 de November de 2014 07:45:29 Josselin Mouette escribió:
[...]
This is nothing short of bullying. If you want to help our users, you
can contribute to debianfork, or you can improve your packages in
Debian. But spreading your bitterness on development forums is only
about hurting
On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 15:59:06 +
Noel Torres env...@rolamasao.org wrote:
On Friday, 28 de November de 2014 07:45:29 Josselin Mouette escribió:
[...]
This is nothing short of bullying. If you want to help our users,
you can contribute to debianfork, or you can improve your packages
in
Am Sonntag, 30. November 2014, 18:05:54 schrieb Neil Williams:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 15:59:06 +
Noel Torres env...@rolamasao.org wrote:
[…]
Debian:
If you want to help our users, you
can contribute to debianfork, or you can improve your packages in
Debian. But spreading your
Le dimanche 30 novembre 2014 à 19:59 +0100, Martin Steigerwald a écrit :
You complain about people blaming Debian, or more exactly Debian technical
committee and GR decisions, for their decision to leave. Yes, it is anyone´s
decision to leave. No one to blame for it.
But that also works in
Am Sonntag, 30. November 2014, 21:54:09 schrieb Josselin Mouette:
Le dimanche 30 novembre 2014 à 19:59 +0100, Martin Steigerwald a écrit :
You complain about people blaming Debian, or more exactly Debian technical
committee and GR decisions, for their decision to leave. Yes, it is
anyone´s
Am Samstag, 29. November 2014, 01:32:22 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek:
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 10:02:06PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
And well, I also wonder why systemd --user functionality is in the *same*
binary than the PID 1 stuff… but well… I brought this upstream to no
Hi,
Cameron Norman camerontnor...@gmail.com writes:
Do you really think logind and systemd are the only pieces of C
software that struggle with strings or config parsing? Those are
definitely a couple of things that could be split out into a separate
library so we all do not have to either
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
[…]
Desktops (not only GNOME) use a very tiny bit of systemd, interfaces
that could be provided elsewhere.
Is that “use” as in “if available” or is that actually “require
and be sure to die unless provided”?
(Please forgive
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 11:51:56AM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Samstag, 29. November 2014, 01:32:22 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek:
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 10:02:06PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
And well, I also wonder why systemd --user functionality is in the *same*
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl writes:
[…]
The second part, making systemd portable, has already been widely
discussed. There are significant technical reasons why systemd is
Linux only. And the potential recepients, like BSD, don't seem to
be interested anyway.
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 06:33:44PM +, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl writes:
[…]
The second part, making systemd portable, has already been widely
discussed. There are significant technical reasons why systemd is
Linux only. And the
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 19:12 +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 11:51:56AM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Samstag, 29. November 2014, 01:32:22 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek:
New dbus client library is also slated to become
public when its ready and
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 20:27 +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 06:33:44PM +, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl writes:
[…]
The second part, making systemd portable, has already been widely
discussed. There are
Hi,
Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com writes:
Have you seen this?
http://gentooexperimental.org/~patrick/weblog/archives/2014-11.html#e2014-11-23T09_26_01.txt
I started reading and I just had to stop after the first few sentences,
where the author quotes the specification clearly out of
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 08:30:07PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 19:12 +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 11:51:56AM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Samstag, 29. November 2014, 01:32:22 schrieb Zbigniew
Jędrzejewski-Szmek:
New
Am Samstag, 29. November 2014, 20:30:07 schrieb Svante Signell:
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 19:12 +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 11:51:56AM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Samstag, 29. November 2014, 01:32:22 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-
Szmek:
New dbus
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes:
Oh, holy… this… isn´t… true? Is it?
No, it isn't.
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On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 06:33:44PM +, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl writes:
[…]
The second part, making systemd portable, has already been widely
discussed. There are significant technical
Hi,
Martin Steigerwald:
Am Donnerstag, 27. November 2014, 22:30:15 schrieb Vincent Bernat:
❦ 27 novembre 2014 22:02 +0100, Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de :
And well, I also wonder why systemd --user functionality is in the *same*
binary than the PID 1 stuff… but well…
Wild
On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 08:45 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le jeudi 27 novembre 2014 à 21:29 +0100, Marc Haber a écrit :
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:19:14 +0100, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
If you want to help our users, you
can contribute to debianfork, or you can improve your packages in
Hi,
Marc Haber:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 11:53:18 +0100, Matthias Urlichs
matth...@urlichs.de wrote:
Yes, the logind-related parte _could_ be provided elsewhere, but part of
the features logind needs is already implemented in systemd. So using that
instead of rolling your own from scratch is
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Svante Signell wrote:
It will be interesting to see how many Debian Maintainers and Developers
will jump the ship and join them (in addition to the users). Future will
I’ll tell you in the present.
Github? Ugh! http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/free-software-needs-free-tools
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On 28.11.2014 09:43, Svante Signell wrote:
The official name of the Debian fork is devuan: https://devuan.org
It will be interesting to see how many Debian Maintainers and
Developers will jump the ship and join them (in addition to the
On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 13:48 +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Svante Signell wrote:
It will be interesting to see how many Debian Maintainers and Developers
will jump the ship and join them (in addition to the users). Future will
I’ll tell you in the present.
Github?
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Svante Signell wrote:
Github? Ugh! http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/free-software-needs-free-tools
This has just started, give them some time, please.
No. If they even consider things like this, there is something
seriously wrong right in the beginning.
Maybe it would be a
The mailinglist of Devuan is not hosted elsewhere - it's hosted on the
infrastructure of another GNU/Linux Distribution.
Just call dyne.org in the browser ...
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On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:20:22 +0100, Matthias Urlichs
matth...@urlichs.de wrote:
If you want to convince the systemd people to split that part of systemd-
-as-pid1 off to a separate library, and/or to properly version that API,
you should submit an appropriate patch
You see, I have been an
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:25:46 -0800, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org
wrote:
Would you stop using (random example) apache if it started shipping with
some often-useful CGI scripts?
I am pretty sure that the apache people would include them with a way
to disable them just in case one does not want
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 08:45:29 +0100, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
wrote:
There is nothing in the FUD that’s still being spread that hasn’t been
entirely debunked almost a year ago in
https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd
I have nothing to add to what we wrote at that time.
And I’m
On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 19:05 +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
And I am also pretty sure that they would not de-implement the Common
Gateway Interface just because people still like to run vulnerable
Matt Wright Scripts from 2002.
For many things, CGI is actually the only way to run them securely,
Hi,
Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes:
Your way of communicating is hurting people as usual. Please stop.
I respectfully disagree. There was imho nothing in the quoted message
that would warrant a reaction like this.
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On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 07:03:14PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
It's not that anybody needs to listen, but nobody is going to tell me
to shut up just because I only know how the result of a job should
look like without being able to do the job myself.
Having a detailed discussion about how systemd
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 04:40:50PM +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
Hey, there are *still* bugs found because of s390 (not s390x).
Uhm. s390x is 64bit BE; ppc64 and sparc64 never made it into the archive.
Kind regards
Philipp Kern
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:25:46 -0800, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org
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Would you stop using (random example) apache if it started shipping with
some often-useful CGI scripts?
I am pretty sure that the apache people would include them with a
Am Freitag, 28. November 2014, 09:28:39 schrieb Matthias Urlichs:
Hi,
Martin Steigerwald:
Am Donnerstag, 27. November 2014, 22:30:15 schrieb Vincent Bernat:
❦ 27 novembre 2014 22:02 +0100, Martin Steigerwald
mar...@lichtvoll.de :
And well, I also wonder why systemd --user
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:28:19 -0800, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org
wrote:
Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:25:46 -0800, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org
wrote:
Would you stop using (random example) apache if it started shipping with
some often-useful CGI
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:21:48PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
Is that as easy as running current GNOME without systemd, which is
surely possible?
Much easier. Note that if you want GNOME without systemd, it required
actual effort instead of doing petty jabs on mailing lists. Actual
effort was
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:36:22PM +0100, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:21:48PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
Is that as easy as running current GNOME without systemd, which is
surely possible?
Much easier. Note that if you want GNOME without systemd, it required
actual effort
2014-11-28 23:29 GMT+01:00 Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl:
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:36:22PM +0100, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:21:48PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
Is that as easy as running current GNOME without systemd, which is
surely possible?
Much easier. Note that
Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:28:19 -0800, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org
wrote:
Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:25:46 -0800, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org
wrote:
Would you stop using (random example) apache if
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 10:02:06PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
And well, I also wonder why systemd --user functionality is in the *same*
binary than the PID 1 stuff… but well… I brought this upstream to no avail.
OK, since this is a different forum, let me go over the reasons once again.
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
zbys...@in.waw.pl wrote:
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 10:02:06PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
And well, I also wonder why systemd --user functionality is in the *same*
binary than the PID 1 stuff… but well… I brought this upstream to
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 23:49:58 +0100, Matthias Klumpp
matth...@tenstral.net wrote:
I think he meant systemd, the PID 1 specifically here.
No.
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❦ 28 novembre 2014 22:21 +0100, Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de :
So what? You can also use systemd without using the tools for NTP,
network configuration, or the journal.
Is that as easy as running current GNOME without systemd, which is
surely possible?
systemd-timesyncd and
Am Donnerstag, 27. November 2014, 01:19:14 schrieb Josselin Mouette:
Le mercredi 26 novembre 2014 à 16:05 -0800, Russ Allbery a écrit :
And many of us who actually *are* Debian server administrators have said
repeatedly that your gut is wrong, in the innumerable versions of this
Hi,
Martin Steigerwald:
Desktops (not only GNOME) use a very tiny bit of systemd, interfaces
that could be provided elsewhere. The real purpose of systemd is to
provide a modern init system.
I still wonder why there are provided within systemd then.
Yes, the logind-related parte
Am 27.11.2014 um 01:19 schrieb Josselin Mouette:
Yes, yes, and yes. This needs to be put in a frame and bashed in the
head of anyone who keeps repeating that systemd is about GNOME.
What about the idea of being mindful of the tone of your conversation
and keeping it conciously moderate,
Am Donnerstag, 27. November 2014, 11:53:18 schrieb Matthias Urlichs:
Hi,
Hi Matthias,
Martin Steigerwald:
Desktops (not only GNOME) use a very tiny bit of systemd, interfaces
that could be provided elsewhere. The real purpose of systemd is to
provide a modern init system.
I still
Hi,
Martin Steigerwald:
But I think for most of the people that dislike systemd this is the main
concern: systemd is a lot of system building blocks in *one* repository and
*one* debian package and while they may be separatable they are not separated.
But well, its an upstream topic and I
Am Donnerstag, 27. November 2014, 14:28:01 schrieb Matthias Urlichs:
Martin Steigerwald:
But I think for most of the people that dislike systemd this is the main
concern: systemd is a lot of system building blocks in *one* repository
and
*one* debian package and while they may be
Hi,
Martin Steigerwald:
What exactly _is_ the point? It's one git repository instead of five, but
what (technical) problem would having five repos and five Debian source
packages, instead of one, actually solve?
IMHO: None at all. Instead it creates busy-work, and a testing headache
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:19:14 +0100, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
wrote:
Desktops (not only GNOME) use a very tiny bit of systemd, interfaces
that could be provided elsewhere. The real purpose of systemd is to
provide a modern init system.
Why does it initialize the network, provide an NTP
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 11:53:18 +0100, Matthias Urlichs
matth...@urlichs.de wrote:
Yes, the logind-related parte _could_ be provided elsewhere, but part of
the features logind needs is already implemented in systemd. So using that
instead of rolling your own from scratch is simply common sense.
It
Am Donnerstag, 27. November 2014, 21:29:40 schrieb Marc Haber:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:19:14 +0100, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
wrote:
Desktops (not only GNOME) use a very tiny bit of systemd, interfaces
that could be provided elsewhere. The real purpose of systemd is to
provide a
❦ 27 novembre 2014 22:02 +0100, Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de :
And well, I also wonder why systemd --user functionality is in the *same*
binary than the PID 1 stuff… but well…
Wild guess: because it manages processes like PID 1?
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Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:19:14 +0100, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
wrote:
Desktops (not only GNOME) use a very tiny bit of systemd, interfaces
that could be provided elsewhere. The real purpose of systemd is to
provide a modern init system.
Why
Am Donnerstag, 27. November 2014, 22:30:15 schrieb Vincent Bernat:
❦ 27 novembre 2014 22:02 +0100, Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de :
And well, I also wonder why systemd --user functionality is in the *same*
binary than the PID 1 stuff… but well…
Wild guess: because it manages
It took me time to realize why writing the below didn't feel right in
some uneasy way. That's because, allthough being logically completely
correct (I boldly assert here...), what I wrote below completely misses
the essence and is therefor just bullshit, which we can have a good
laugh about. And
Le jeudi 27 novembre 2014 à 21:29 +0100, Marc Haber a écrit :
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:19:14 +0100, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
wrote:
Desktops (not only GNOME) use a very tiny bit of systemd, interfaces
that could be provided elsewhere. The real purpose of systemd is to
provide a modern
On Wednesday, 26 de November de 2014 02:23:20 Paul Wise escribió:
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:41 AM, Noel Torres wrote:
Who our users are?
Debian's users are the set of people and organisations who use Debian.
Exactly. Who they are? The people who chose Debian, are they laptop users?
desktop
Hi,
Noel Torres env...@rolamasao.org writes:
It is a gut feeling, one that I share with systemd proponents, that Debian's
desktop experience will be better for our users with systemd.
It is a gut feeling also, and one that has been widely expresed by others,
(with better and worse words)
Noel Torres env...@rolamasao.org writes:
It is a gut feeling also, and one that has been widely expresed by
others, (with better and worse words) that Debian server admins will not
be pleased with an init system which is bigger and does not use shell
scripts to start system services.
And
Le mercredi 26 novembre 2014 à 16:05 -0800, Russ Allbery a écrit :
And many of us who actually *are* Debian server administrators have said
repeatedly that your gut is wrong, in the innumerable versions of this
conversation that have happened over the past two years. This idea that
systemd is
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 04:05:55PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
Noel Torres env...@rolamasao.org writes:
It is a gut feeling also, and one that has been widely expresed by
others, (with better and worse words) that Debian server admins will not
be pleased with an init system which is bigger
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