Re: How to deal with "assets" packages shadowing real upstream

2016-03-09 Thread Bas Wijnen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 11:37:12AM +0100, IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU) wrote: > i think that §4.13 does not cover the original issue of jonas at all, as > it's about something different: using convenience copies instead of the > system provided

Re: How to deal with "assets" packages shadowing real upstream

2016-03-09 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU) (2016-03-09 11:37:12) > On 2016-03-08 19:23, Bas Wijnen wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 03:12:10PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Oh - I just discovered that this _is_ covered by Policy §4.13 already. >> Reading that again, I see that it says

Re: How to deal with "assets" packages shadowing real upstream

2016-03-09 Thread Debian/GNU
On 2016-03-08 19:23, Bas Wijnen wrote: > On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 03:12:10PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> > Oh - I just discovered that this _is_ covered by Policy §4.13 already. > Reading that again, I see that it says code copies are acceptable if the code > is meant to be used that way

Re: How to deal with "assets" packages shadowing real upstream

2016-03-08 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Bas Wijnen (2016-03-08 19:23:18) > On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 03:12:10PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> Oh - I just discovered that this _is_ covered by Policy §4.13 >> already. > > Reading that again, I see that it says code copies are acceptable if > the code is meant to be used that

Re: How to deal with "assets" packages shadowing real upstream

2016-03-08 Thread Bas Wijnen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Mar 08, 2016 at 02:14:10PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 07:59:29PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > I personally feel it is a bug to not track the true upstream of a > > project, but that seems not part of our

Re: How to deal with "assets" packages shadowing real upstream

2016-03-08 Thread Bas Wijnen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 03:12:10PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Oh - I just discovered that this _is_ covered by Policy §4.13 already. Reading that again, I see that it says code copies are acceptable if the code is meant to be used that way

Re: How to deal with "assets" packages shadowing real upstream

2016-03-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 07:59:29PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > I personally feel it is a bug to not track the true upstream of a > project, but that seems not part of our Policy. Should I respect fellow > package maintainers prioritizing convenience over elegance, or insist > that we

Re: How to deal with "assets" packages shadowing real upstream

2016-03-07 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2016-02-27 13:08:37) >> 2. Needless forking is bad. There is no consent on what is >>"needless" though. My point is that having multiple copies of a >>thing that are all treated as source leads to problems. In >>Debian, we recognize that and one effect of

Re: How to deal with "assets" packages shadowing real upstream

2016-03-07 Thread Pirate Praveen
On Monday 07 March 2016 03:59 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Thanks for your clarifications - they seem to confirm that you were, > and still intend to be, pragmatic - e.g. track the real upstream only > when strongly encouraged to do so. > I don't think there is much benefit to enforce this

Re: How to deal with "assets" packages shadowing real upstream

2016-03-07 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Hi Praveen, Quoting Pirate Praveen (2016-03-07 10:27:31) > On Saturday 27 February 2016 12:29 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> ¹ bug#809977 requests adding node-handlebars to src:libjs-handlebars >> (to cover not only browser but also server-side use), but package >> maintainer chose to instead

Re: How to deal with "assets" packages shadowing real upstream

2016-03-07 Thread Pirate Praveen
On Saturday 27 February 2016 12:29 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > ¹ bug#809977 requests adding node-handlebars to src:libjs-handlebars (to > cover not only browser but also server-side use), but package maintainer > chose to instead package libjs-handlebars from a Ruby bundling > (re)source (see

Re: How to deal with "assets" packages shadowing real upstream

2016-03-01 Thread Antonio Terceiro
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:39:26AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Paul Wise (2016-02-29 04:30:02) > > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:05 AM, Antonio Terceiro wrote: > > > >> IMO both in this specific case, and in the general case, the correct > >> technical decision is to track the actual

Re: How to deal with "assets" packages shadowing real upstream

2016-02-29 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Paul Wise (2016-02-29 04:30:02) > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:05 AM, Antonio Terceiro wrote: > >> IMO both in this specific case, and in the general case, the correct >> technical decision is to track the actual upstream as a proper >> Javascript package (supporting both browser usage and

Re: How to deal with "assets" packages shadowing real upstream

2016-02-28 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:05 AM, Antonio Terceiro wrote: > IMO both in this specific case, and in the general case, the correct > technical decision is to track the actual upstream as a proper > Javascript package (supporting both browser usage and NodeJS, if it > makes sense), and make the

Re: How to deal with "assets" packages shadowing real upstream

2016-02-28 Thread Antonio Terceiro
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 10:37:48PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > I do recall our conversation at Debconf. That was however, I believe, > an agreement only between teams. I believe we cannot impose team rules > on Debian as a whole: I can file a _whishlist_ bugreport against a > package

Re: How to deal with "assets" packages shadowing real upstream

2016-02-27 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Bas Wijnen (2016-02-26 20:16:32) > On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 07:59:29PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> Do we favor tracking the true upstreams when packaging for Debian? > > There was some discussion about this on the list recently, but this is > a question that didn't really come up,

Re: How to deal with "assets" packages shadowing real upstream

2016-02-26 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Hi Antonio, Quoting Antonio Terceiro (2016-02-26 21:47:03) > On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 07:59:29PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> Do we favor tracking the true upstreams when packaging for Debian? >> >> Concretely I need¹ a javascript library for server-side use, but the >> maintainer considers

Re: How to deal with "assets" packages shadowing real upstream

2016-02-26 Thread Antonio Terceiro
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 07:59:29PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Hi, > > Do we favor tracking the true upstreams when packaging for Debian? > > Concretely I need¹ a javascript library for server-side use, but the > maintainer considers it adequate² to package that project only >

Re: How to deal with "assets" packages shadowing real upstream

2016-02-26 Thread Bas Wijnen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 07:59:29PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Do we favor tracking the true upstreams when packaging for Debian? There was some discussion about this on the list recently, but this is a question that didn't really come up,

How to deal with "assets" packages shadowing real upstream

2016-02-26 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Hi, Do we favor tracking the true upstreams when packaging for Debian? Concretely I need¹ a javascript library for server-side use, but the maintainer considers it adequate² to package that project only browser-optimized. I personally feel it is a bug to not track the true upstream of a