Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-06 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:05:01 +0100, Ingo Juergensmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When Joerg Jaspert is already doing the dirty daily work, why does James still needs in place then? (Except he just stays in that position for a transitional period until Joerg is taking over that task and job

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-06 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 09:01:07AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:05:01 +0100, Ingo Juergensmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When Joerg Jaspert is already doing the dirty daily work, why does James still needs in place then? (Except he just stays in that position for a

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 02:59:29PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: Please note that year 2005 has come to an end and the year 2005 is now - even in my mail address! Does the new address bring with it a more constructive attitude towards volunteers who have contributed countless hours over

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Matthew Garrett
Ingo Juergensmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 02:59:29PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: Does the new address bring with it a more constructive attitude towards volunteers who have contributed countless hours over the years to keeping this project running, or should I plan to

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 06:39:23AM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: Does the new address bring with it a more constructive attitude towards volunteers who have contributed countless hours over the years to keeping this project running, or should I plan to killfile this one as well? So you

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 07:30:32AM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 02:59:29PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: Please note that year 2005 has come to an end and the year 2005 is now - even in my mail address! Does the new address bring with it a more constructive

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 12:06:53AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: Please note that year 2005 has come to an end and the year 2005 is now - even in my mail address! Does the new address bring with it a more constructive attitude towards volunteers who have contributed countless

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:42 AM, Ingo Juergensmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding James Troup... [...] I still believe that it would be better for the project when he would retire from some of his many positions, because he's too loaded with them. I'm assuming you haven't spotted

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Andreas Barth
* Ingo Juergensmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050105 07:35]: On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 02:59:29PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: Please note that year 2005 has come to an end and the year 2005 is now - even in my mail address! Does the new address bring with it a more constructive attitude

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 09:42:00AM -, Adam D. Barratt wrote: On Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:42 AM, Ingo Juergensmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding James Troup... [...] I still believe that it would be better for the project when he would retire from some of his many

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:05 AM, Ingo Juergensmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] When Joerg Jaspert is already doing the dirty daily work, why does James still needs in place then? (Except he just stays in that position for a transitional period until Joerg is taking over that task

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 10:59:31AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: I don't understand why you try to make as many developers opposed to you as possible. I don't try it, it's not my intention, but I say what I mean and think. Of course this is sometimes not the same with what the audience might

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 09:42:52AM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 12:06:53AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: The us versus them pitting of volunteer contributions against each other appears to be your game alone, and is precisely the sort of thing that led me to

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 12:15:43PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Ohno, it's not my game, trust me. I've better things to do than playing such a game. Maybe I'm the one who complains most loudly, but there are DDs that agree with me in some (sometimes most or all) points, Yes, there are

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 01:06:49PM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 12:15:43PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: I've tried to defend you for some time, because I thought your past help to the m68k port should not have gone unnoticed. I stopped doing so when I realised

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 01:11:49PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: And now you joined the other side? Attacking instead of defending? Does that help the m68k port better? I doubt that seriously. I'm not attacking anyone. Usually this is what attackers believe. The attacked party feels

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 08:28:59AM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: Unless you're a FPAV fan, please don't Cc: me. I just press g to reply to list mails. Other people (like Steve) are capable of configuring their MUAs in that way that they don't get CCs. Maybe you doing something wrong then?

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 02:05 am, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: When Joerg Jaspert is already doing the dirty daily work, why does James still needs in place then? (Except he just stays in that position for a transitional period until Joerg is taking over that task and job completely. I would

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Joel Aelwyn
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 10:18:21AM -, Adam D. Barratt wrote: On Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:05 AM, Ingo Juergensmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] When Joerg Jaspert is already doing the dirty daily work, why does James still needs in place then? (Except he just stays in that

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 21 décembre 2004 à 12:18 +0100, Ingo Juergensmann a écrit : FWIW: With your attitude and persistent accusations you're driving away even those who partially agree with you. Sure, that's a risk. That's not a risk, that's a reality. Now that you spat your flames on this thread, I

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-04 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 10:22:41PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mardi 21 décembre 2004 à 12:18 +0100, Ingo Juergensmann a écrit : FWIW: With your attitude and persistent accusations you're driving away even those who partially agree with you. Sure, that's a risk. That's not a risk,

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-04 Thread Matthew Garrett
Ingo Juergensmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want answers, mail me your questions privately. BTW: the questions I asked within the thread are still unanswered as well. :) If you can't play politely, other people will not be inclined to play with you. Your continued abuse of volunteers,

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-04 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 09:55:21PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: If you want answers, mail me your questions privately. BTW: the questions I asked within the thread are still unanswered as well. :) If you can't play politely, other people will not be inclined to play with you. Your

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx at buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-04 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 10:38:03PM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: Please note that year 2005 has come to an end and the year 2005 is now - even in my mail address! Does the new address bring with it a more constructive attitude towards volunteers who have contributed countless hours over