Re: On the subject of watchfiles (was Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version)

2008-02-27 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Andreas Tille dijo [Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 08:21:47PM +0100]: Heh, start a bit earlier (think Ruby)... Educate maintainers to release proper .tar.gz, not braindead .gem packages containing the equivalent to an orig.tar.gz (but created due to a nice

Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version

2008-02-27 Thread Raphael Geissert
Hello Jörg, Jörg Sommer wrote: Hello Raphael, Raphael Geissert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jörg Sommer [EMAIL PROTECTED] jed (U) This is a SVN snapshot. There's no release of it. I fail to see how to point to a changelog file in a SVN repository. How should I handle this situation? By

Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version

2008-02-26 Thread Jörg Sommer
Hello Raphael, Raphael Geissert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jörg Sommer [EMAIL PROTECTED] jed (U) This is a SVN snapshot. There's no release of it. I fail to see how to point to a changelog file in a SVN repository. How should I handle this situation? Bye, Jörg. -- Prof. in der

On the subject of watchfiles (was Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version)

2008-02-26 Thread Jon Dowland
Is it worth investing much effort into debugging watch file issues? In my experience, watchfiles are seldom useful. There was the whole problem with getting at HTTPS URLs; the sourceforge workarounds (that broke); etc. One of the packages I maintain (deutex) does not have the latest upstream

Re: On the subject of watchfiles (was Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version)

2008-02-26 Thread Martín Ferrari
Hi Jon, On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Jon Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it worth investing much effort into debugging watch file issues? In my experience, yes. I can cite the example of the perl group: 679 packages group maintained. You'll guess that there's no way in earth a

Re: On the subject of watchfiles (was Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version)

2008-02-26 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008, Martín Ferrari wrote: Of course, we have luck, because CPAN (99% of our packages come from there, and we have only 4 unsolvable watch problems) is pretty well-behaving and consistent, compared to other upstreams. But chances are that watchfiles can be useful for the

Re: On the subject of watchfiles (was Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version)

2008-02-26 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Andreas Tille dijo [Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 03:02:31PM +0100]: Well, in fact it is helpful if you teach upstream to organise releases that way that watchfiles would work. This is not only in the interest of Debian but for the whole FLOSS community so other interested users will be able to

Re: On the subject of watchfiles (was Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version)

2008-02-26 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Heh, start a bit earlier (think Ruby)... Educate maintainers to release proper .tar.gz, not braindead .gem packages containing the equivalent to an orig.tar.gz (but created due to a nice don't-ask-me-why-that's-not-properly-implemented bug in December 31,

Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version

2008-02-19 Thread Michal Čihař
Hi On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:20:18 -0600 Raphael Geissert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems like I forgot to make sure to list only those affecting packages in unstable. But it would anyway be nice to keep both watch files working :) I know, but I tend to forgot to this when I upload package to

Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version

2008-02-18 Thread Michal Čihař
Hi On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:41:34 -0600 Raphael Geissert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michal Čihař [EMAIL PROTECTED] gammu The problem with this is that there are stable versions, for which I use watch file and are uploaded to unstable. Testing versions I put (usually) to experimental and I

Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version

2008-02-18 Thread Raphael Geissert
Russ Allbery wrote: Raphael Geissert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your guess is as good as mine. I've asked and didn't get any answer. As near as I can tell, they all really like hacking on GNU Backgammon, but none of them like doing release management. (Some of them use Windows and do

Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version

2008-02-18 Thread Raphael Geissert
Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Sun, 17 Feb 2008, Raphael Geissert wrote: Ack, what about only reporting (thus in a non automated way) on those which are not affected by any repackaging/similar version part? It's might be acceptable but I'm not sure either. Some packages have development version

Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version

2008-02-18 Thread Raphael Geissert
Hello, Michal Čihař wrote: Hi On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:41:34 -0600 Raphael Geissert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michal Čihař [EMAIL PROTECTED] gammu The problem with this is that there are stable versions, for which I use watch file and are uploaded to unstable. Testing versions I put

Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version

2008-02-17 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sunday 17 February 2008 15:41, Raphael Geissert wrote: Hello all, [Please respect the Reply-To header] In order to bring some more QA on the watch files subject I'd like to start a permanent MBF on packages whose Debian upstream version (the version string from Version: without the epoch

Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version

2008-02-17 Thread Raphael Geissert
Hello all, [Please respect the Reply-To header] In order to bring some more QA on the watch files subject I'd like to start a permanent MBF on packages whose Debian upstream version (the version string from Version: without the epoch and the Debian revision) is higher than the latest upstream

Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version

2008-02-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello, On Sun, 17 Feb 2008, Raphael Geissert wrote: Rationale: the watch files are meant to keep track of upstream and if there's a newer version not being reported by the watch file it means that it needs to be fixed. Please note that this situation often occurs when the maintainer

Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version

2008-02-17 Thread Raphael Geissert
Hello, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Hello, On Sun, 17 Feb 2008, Raphael Geissert wrote: Rationale: the watch files are meant to keep track of upstream and if there's a newer version not being reported by the watch file it means that it needs to be fixed. Please note that this situation often

Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version

2008-02-17 Thread Raphael Geissert
Wesley J. Landaker wrote: On Sunday 17 February 2008 13:41:34 Raphael Geissert wrote: If nobody objects I'll start filling (in an automated way since there are no false positives) reports on the 307 source packages which report a Debian upstream version higher than Upstream version by the

Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version

2008-02-17 Thread Wesley J. Landaker
On Sunday 17 February 2008 13:41:34 Raphael Geissert wrote: If nobody objects I'll start filling (in an automated way since there are no false positives) reports on the 307 source packages which report a Debian upstream version higher than Upstream version by the watch file. I don't know what

Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version

2008-02-17 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sunday 17 February 2008 17:22, Raphael Geissert wrote: Scott Kitterman wrote: On Sunday 17 February 2008 15:41, Raphael Geissert wrote: Please note that this situation often occurs when the maintainer didn't make the watch file strip some +VCSrevN that was added to the Debian

Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version

2008-02-17 Thread Raphael Geissert
Scott Kitterman wrote: On Sunday 17 February 2008 15:41, Raphael Geissert wrote: Please note that this situation often occurs when the maintainer didn't make the watch file strip some +VCSrevN that was added to the Debian Version. If nobody objects I'll start filling (in an automated

Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version

2008-02-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Raphael Geissert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In order to bring some more QA on the watch files subject I'd like to start a permanent MBF on packages whose Debian upstream version (the version string from Version: without the epoch and the Debian revision) is higher than the latest upstream

Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version

2008-02-17 Thread Raphael Geissert
Scott Kitterman wrote: On Sunday 17 February 2008 17:22, Raphael Geissert wrote: If Debian's 0.11+1-1 is upstream's 0.11 why not just strip the '+1' using dversionmangle? That's in my POV the bug. I think rewriting watch files for one time events is a mistake. If this were a permanent

Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version

2008-02-17 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:55:26 -0600 Raphael Geissert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott Kitterman wrote: On Sunday 17 February 2008 17:22, Raphael Geissert wrote: If Debian's 0.11+1-1 is upstream's 0.11 why not just strip the '+1' using dversionmangle? That's in my POV the bug. I think

Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version

2008-02-17 Thread Raphael Geissert
Russ Allbery wrote: Raphael Geissert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] gnubg Upstream stopped doing real releases a while back although hopefully will again do some someday. Currently, all that's available is nightly snapshots. I can: * Keep pointing the

Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version

2008-02-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Raphael Geissert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery wrote: Upstream stopped doing real releases a while back although hopefully will again do some someday. Currently, all that's available is nightly snapshots. I can: * Keep pointing the watch file at the actual official release

Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version

2008-02-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 17 Feb 2008, Raphael Geissert wrote: Ack, what about only reporting (thus in a non automated way) on those which are not affected by any repackaging/similar version part? It's might be acceptable but I'm not sure either. Some packages have development version packaged and those