Re: GitLab B.V. to host free-software GitLab for Debian project (was: debian github organization ?)

2015-09-29 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 22, 2015, at 01:25 PM, Ben Finney wrote: >Rather, this is the Debian project considering our own instance of a >first-class Git hosting platform. I guess this would mean being able to use the Debian GitLab instance for package development, rather than say Alioth? For straight-up hosting

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-07-20 Thread Mario Lang
Ben Caradoc-Davies b...@transient.nz writes: On 19/07/15 23:36, Florian Weimer wrote: The single account policy means that users would have to share authentication information across different roles, which may not be acceptable. I am not sure why this would be unacceptable to anyone.

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-07-19 Thread Florian Weimer
* Jérémy Lal: i was wondering if debian had a github account as an organization, where maintainers could be added. Github has a single-account-per-person policy (unless you pay, I think), so for those of us with multiple affiliations, it is difficult to join a Debian organization on Github.

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-07-19 Thread Florian Weimer
* Andrew Shadura: On 19 July 2015 at 11:52, Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de wrote: i was wondering if debian had a github account as an organization, where maintainers could be added. Github has a single-account-per-person policy (unless you pay, I think), so for those of us with multiple

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-07-19 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 19/07/15 21:52, Florian Weimer wrote: * Jérémy Lal: i was wondering if debian had a github account as an organization, where maintainers could be added. Github has a single-account-per-person policy (unless you pay, I think), so for those of us with multiple affiliations, it is difficult to

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-07-19 Thread Florian Weimer
* Ben Caradoc-Davies: On 19/07/15 21:52, Florian Weimer wrote: * Jérémy Lal: i was wondering if debian had a github account as an organization, where maintainers could be added. Github has a single-account-per-person policy (unless you pay, I think), so for those of us with multiple

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-07-19 Thread Andrew Shadura
On 19 July 2015 at 11:52, Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de wrote: i was wondering if debian had a github account as an organization, where maintainers could be added. Github has a single-account-per-person policy (unless you pay, I think), so for those of us with multiple affiliations, it is

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-07-19 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 19/07/15 23:18, Florian Weimer wrote: * Ben Caradoc-Davies: On 19/07/15 21:52, Florian Weimer wrote: * Jérémy Lal: i was wondering if debian had a github account as an organization, where maintainers could be added. Github has a single-account-per-person policy (unless you pay, I think),

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-07-19 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 19/07/15 23:36, Florian Weimer wrote: The single account policy means that users would have to share authentication information across different roles, which may not be acceptable. I am not sure why this would be unacceptable to anyone. Authentication is your ability to prove who you are.

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-07-19 Thread Ian Jackson
Ben Caradoc-Davies writes (Re: debian github organization ?): On 19/07/15 23:36, Florian Weimer wrote: The single account policy means that users would have to share authentication information across different roles, which may not be acceptable. I am not sure why this would

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-07-19 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 20/07/15 12:18, Ian Jackson wrote: Ben Caradoc-Davies writes (Re: debian github organization ?): I am not sure why this would be unacceptable to anyone. Authentication is your ability to prove who you are. GitHub accounts provide this. You're talking as if what is identified is a human

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-07-19 Thread Russ Allbery
Ben Caradoc-Davies b...@transient.nz writes: On 20/07/15 12:18, Ian Jackson wrote: You're talking as if what is identified is a human being. But of course, it isn't. When you do a git push (or whatever) what is pushed is controlled by the computer you are using. Of course. Humans lack a

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-07-19 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 20/07/15 14:50, Russ Allbery wrote: Er, you're responding to Ian as if you've never before heard of the concept of using separate authentication credentials for different purposes, but this is a very old and respected technique and a standard security approach. It's a form of privilege

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-07-19 Thread Russ Allbery
Ben Caradoc-Davies b...@transient.nz writes: The problem with per-role accounts is the loss of connection and reputation on loss of account. The growth of social media and social coding is changing the workplace. No longer is a role associated with a job. Rather, reputation and authority

Re: GitLab B.V. to host free-software GitLab for Debian project (was: debian github organization ?)

2015-07-11 Thread Pirate Praveen
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Re: GitLab B.V. to host free-software GitLab for Debian project (was: debian github organization ?)

2015-07-11 Thread Alessio Treglia
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Neil McGovern ne...@debian.org wrote: It will be an instance of gitlab CE, under MIT license and managed by Debian. Gitlab folks will just sponsor the hosting. Much appreciated, thank you to GitLab B.V. for this generous offer. Just out of curiosity, has

Re: GitLab B.V. to host free-software GitLab for Debian project (was: debian github organization ?)

2015-07-11 Thread Alessio Treglia
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Pirate Praveen prav...@onenetbeyond.org wrote: I will be working on it. First task is to complete gitlab packaging. See balasankarc.in/gitlab for current status. That is quite a progress. Awesome, thanks! Cheers. -- Alessio Treglia |

Funding FusionForge development for missing features on Alioth (like pull request) - Was: Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-24 Thread Olivier Berger
Hi. Olivier Berger ober...@debian.org writes: Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: That said, something more akin to GitHub (including the nice integration API and fork/pull model) running on a service like Alioth would be very neat. Feel free to add to : -

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 22, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Paul Wise wrote: Seems to work fairly well, certainly it is robust enough to not have 500 Internal Server Errors. File a bug? :) Cheers, -Barry pgp393q5a3UIo.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: GitLab B.V. to host free-software GitLab for Debian project (was: debian github organization ?)

2015-04-22 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 01:25:42PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: Sytse Sijbrandij sy...@gitlab.com writes: Awesome that you are considering to move to Git. Note that this is not “moving to Git”. A great deal of Debian development is already done using Git, and that's not going to be directly

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-21 Thread Pirate Praveen
On Thursday 16 April 2015 08:34 PM, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote: I'd rather see gitlab.debian.net http://gitlab.debian.net :) gitlab folks are willing to sponsor gitlab.debian.net I will try to take that offer forward. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-21 Thread Olivier Berger
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: That said, something more akin to GitHub (including the nice integration API and fork/pull model) running on a service like Alioth would be very neat. Feel free to add to : - https://fusionforge.org/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=741group_id=6atid=114

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-21 Thread Nicolas Dandrimont
Hi, * Pirate Praveen prav...@onenetbeyond.org [2015-04-21 20:24:09 +0530]: On Thursday 16 April 2015 08:34 PM, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote: I'd rather see gitlab.debian.net http://gitlab.debian.net :) gitlab folks are willing to sponsor gitlab.debian.net I will try to take that offer

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-21 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 16, 2015, at 07:19 PM, Andrew Shadura wrote: I'd rather see gitlab.debian.net :) Why Gitlab when there's Kallithea? :) Kallithea is under consideration as forge for upstream Python: http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0462/ Cheers, -Barry pgpxAfgqu1BlU.pgp Description: OpenPGP

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-21 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 16, 2015, at 11:13 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: Launchpad, similarly, is probably suffering a lot from the decision to only support bzr. That will probably be solved soon. From watching the commits to Launchpad trunk, it looks like git support is progressing nicely. I expect after some

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-21 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 16, 2015, at 09:04 AM, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote: I'd rather see gitlab.debian.net :) +1 I've started moving my personal projects to gitlab and like it a lot. Cheers, -Barry pgpEtXwHRd4zO.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-21 Thread Pirate Praveen
It will be an instance of gitlab CE, under MIT license and managed by Debian. Gitlab folks will just sponsor the hosting. Nicolas Dandrimont എഴുതി: Hi, * Pirate Praveen prav...@onenetbeyond.org [2015-04-21 20:24:09 +0530]: On Thursday 16 April 2015 08:34 PM, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote: I'd

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-21 Thread Sytse Sijbrandij
Awesome that you are considering to move to Git. GitLab B.V. would be more than happy to help with gitlab.debian.net and pay for the hosting. This in collaboration with volunteers such as Praveen and while ensuring that Debian is fully in control. Best regards, Sytse 'Sid' Sijbrandij CEO GitLab

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-21 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 4:23 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: On Apr 16, 2015, at 09:04 AM, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote: I'd rather see gitlab.debian.net :) +1 I've started moving my personal projects to gitlab and like it a lot. I don't like it due to the JavaScript requirement, many things just give

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-21 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 22, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Paul Wise wrote: I don't like it due to the JavaScript requirement, many things just give 500 Internal Server Error unless you have JS turned on. Can you navigate github without JS? Cheers, -Barry pgp2Hk9JVhtjQ.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-21 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: Can you navigate github without JS? Seems to work fairly well, certainly it is robust enough to not have 500 Internal Server Errors. -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

GitLab B.V. to host free-software GitLab for Debian project (was: debian github organization ?)

2015-04-21 Thread Ben Finney
Sytse Sijbrandij sy...@gitlab.com writes: Awesome that you are considering to move to Git. Note that this is not “moving to Git”. A great deal of Debian development is already done using Git, and that's not going to be directly affected much by a Debian GitLab instance. Rather, this is the

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-21 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 05:41:56PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: I sure hope that won't mean getting Debian onboard the proprietary edition of their software, but rather them helping the proper packaging of their software. +1 And, besides, we should have by now all learned that 3rd party

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-21 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 18, 2015, at 02:56 PM, Stuart Prescott wrote: arch 7 bzr199 cvs11 darcs 832 git12439 hg 65 mtn23 svn3593 I hope at some point soon after Jessie is released that the DPMT will officially switch from svn to git. Cheers, -Barry pgpZjFyDVmRKn.pgp Description:

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-19 Thread Brian May
On Sun, 19 Apr 2015 at 18:25 Vincent Bernat ber...@debian.org wrote: This is not the case anymore. Deleting a branch leaves the pull request as is. Also, editing commits leave the history of the pull request in the timeline. Comments on edited commits are also still accessible. Oh, if that

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-19 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, 2015-04-18 at 12:07 +0200, Jérémy Lal wrote: gitg is quite good for simple tasks. I'm guessing it isn't good enough to be a replacement for the github web UI though and that there is no equivalent free software desktop UI. -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-19 Thread Robert Collins
On 17 April 2015 at 18:13, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes: Thankfully, git is by far the best VCS on the market and the vast majority of people seem to agree. But imagine the outcry if ten years ago Sourceforge had said our VCS is svn and we

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-19 Thread Robert Collins
On 18 April 2015 at 08:03, Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org writes: So, yes, it's nonfree. Yes, it's controlled by DDs. No, I don't think this should be the Vcs-Git: target. No, I don't think we should endorse GitHub. Yes, we need free tools.

Re: GitHub “pull request” is proprietary, incompatible with Git ‘request-pull’ (was: debian github organization ?)

2015-04-19 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 12:13:32PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: To those of you who are willing to use github for Debian related things, it would be great if you could: Mirror the repositories to alioth so Debian has a backup. I'd rather see it the other way around: advertise the alioth Git repo

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-19 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 19 Apr 2015 21:12:57 +1200 Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: On 18 April 2015 at 08:03, Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org writes: So, yes, it's nonfree. Yes, it's controlled by DDs. No, I don't think this should be the

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-19 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 19 avril 2015 08:55 GMT, Brian May br...@microcomaustralia.com.au : I suspect not many people know about this however (did I miss an announcement from github on this?), and I suspect it may not be possible to make changes to the pull request without write access to the branch. Yes, that's

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-19 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 19 avril 2015 07:34 GMT, Brian May br...@microcomaustralia.com.au : Unfortunately, github pull requests have limitations compared with patches, archived for example on a mailing list. For blog post on this see:

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-19 Thread Brian May
On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 at 18:01 Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org wrote: The github pull request is just a nice UI over a patch. What on earth is wrong with that? Unfortunately, github pull requests have limitations compared with patches, archived for example on a mailing list. For blog post on

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-18 Thread Neil Williams
On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 18:04:40 +0800 Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Neil Williams wrote: git won the DVCS argument a long time ago. github won the DVCS UI argument a long time ago - it is clearly the one UI that the largest number of git contributors

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-18 Thread Jérémy Lal
2015-04-18 12:16 GMT+02:00 Dmitry Smirnov only...@debian.org: On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 12:07:22 Jérémy Lal wrote: Are there any good DFSG-free desktop UIs for git? gitg is quite good for simple tasks. 0.2.7 is still good but unfortunately upstream ruined newer versions... :( I guess it's a

Re: GitHub “pull request” is proprietary, incompatible with Git ‘request-pull’ (was: debian github organization ?)

2015-04-18 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 05:55:17PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: Sometimes I wonder if people think free software is so fragile that if anyone who works on it ever touches non-free software, everything we built will crumble. I think our community and ecosystem is a lot more robust than that.

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-18 Thread Zlatan Todoric
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 04/18/2015 01:09 PM, Neil Williams wrote: On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 18:04:40 +0800 Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Neil Williams wrote: git won the DVCS argument a long time ago. github won the DVCS UI

Re: GitHub “pull request” is proprietary, incompatible with Git ‘request-pull’ (was: debian github organization ?)

2015-04-18 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: Everyone's willing to make tradeoffs on our freedom. It's what tradeoffs we make, that's the question. To those of you who are willing to use github for Debian related things, it would be great if you could: Mirror the repositories to

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-18 Thread Neil Williams
On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 06:03:12 +1000 Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org writes: So, yes, it's nonfree. Yes, it's controlled by DDs. No, I don't think this should be the Vcs-Git: target. No, I don't think we should endorse GitHub. Yes, we need

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-18 Thread Neil Williams
On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 00:01:29 +0100 Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote: Ben Finney wrote: Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org writes: So, yes, it's nonfree. Yes, it's controlled by DDs. No, I don't think this should be the Vcs-Git: target. No, I don't think we should endorse GitHub.

GitHub “pull request” is proprietary, incompatible with Git ‘request-pull’ (was: debian github organization ?)

2015-04-18 Thread Ben Finney
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes: Yet it is exactly those lock-in features that is the basis for arguments to put special effort into the centralised single point of failure. For example, the centralised proprietary GitHub “pull request”

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-18 Thread Neil Williams
On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 11:44:34 +1000 Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes: Agreed - it's really annoying to see everybody clamour for a centralised single point of of failure for git hosting. :-(

Re: GitHub “pull request” is useful and can be easily integrated'’ (was: debian github organization ?)

2015-04-18 Thread Neil Williams
On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 17:55:17 +1000 Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes: GitHub's pull request feature is proprietary to GitHub, it can only work between repositories hosted inside the GitHub silo,

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-18 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Neil Williams wrote: git won the DVCS argument a long time ago. github won the DVCS UI argument a long time ago - it is clearly the one UI that the largest number of git contributors actually want to use. Are there any good DFSG-free desktop UIs for git? --

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-18 Thread Jérémy Lal
2015-04-18 12:04 GMT+02:00 Paul Wise p...@debian.org: On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Neil Williams wrote: git won the DVCS argument a long time ago. github won the DVCS UI argument a long time ago - it is clearly the one UI that the largest number of git contributors actually want to

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-18 Thread Dmitry Smirnov
On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 12:07:22 Jérémy Lal wrote: Are there any good DFSG-free desktop UIs for git? gitg is quite good for simple tasks. 0.2.7 is still good but unfortunately upstream ruined newer versions... :( -- Cheers, Dmitry Smirnov. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-17 Thread Russell Stuart
First a Mel Cupa. I called the SourceForge system Apollo. It's actual name is Apache Allura. Brain fart. On Thu, 2015-04-16 at 23:13 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Er, they did, didn't they? I could have sworn that they only supported CVS initially, and then only added Subversion, and getting

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes: Thankfully, git is by far the best VCS on the market and the vast majority of people seem to agree. But imagine the outcry if ten years ago Sourceforge had said our VCS is svn and we don't support anything else. Er, they did, didn't they? I

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-17 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 23:13:01 -0700, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes: Thankfully, git is by far the best VCS on the market and the vast majority of people seem to agree. But imagine the outcry if ten years ago Sourceforge had said our VCS is svn

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Russell Stuart russell-deb...@stuart.id.au writes: On Thu, 2015-04-16 at 23:13 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: However, I still stand by the decision to only support a single VCS, at least when you start, because you can move a lot faster and implement a lot more functionality that people care a

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-17 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
On 16 Apr 2015 12:05 pm, Sven Bartscher sven.bartsc...@weltraumschlangen.de wrote: On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 09:04:07 -0600 Dimitri John Ledkov x...@debian.org wrote: I'd rather see gitlab.debian.net :) I don't a reason to have gitlab/github/someother git stuff for debian, since we already

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-17 Thread Federico Ceratto
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Sven Bartscher sven.bartsc...@weltraumschlangen.de wrote: I don't a reason to have gitlab/github/someother git stuff for debian, since we already have alioth. Maybe someone can enlighten me. I'd love to see the Debian infrastructure rely of Free software,

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-17 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 04/16/2015 05:04 PM, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote: I'd rather see gitlab.debian.net http://gitlab.debian.net :) or gitblit, which would be easier to integrate into ldap/sso/ssh imho. -- Bernd ZeimetzDebian GNU/Linux Developer http://bzed.de

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Milan P. Stanic m...@arvanta.net writes: What about gitolite? It is in Debian, can be used with gitweb and have access control. N.B. I'm biased (maybe) because I use gitolite for my company repositories. gitolite is very nice insofar as it goes. I've used it a lot, and still use it in

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-17 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Fri, 2015-04-17 at 16:10, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: On 04/16/2015 05:04 PM, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote: I'd rather see gitlab.debian.net http://gitlab.debian.net :) or gitblit, which would be easier to integrate into ldap/sso/ssh imho. What about gitolite? It is in Debian, can be used with

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-17 Thread Balasankar C
On a side note to this thread, GitLab packaging for Debian is happening silently (and of course slowly) in the Debian Ruby group. Anyone is welcome to help. :) On 17 April 2015 11:07:37 am IST, Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de wrote: On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 19:40:21 -0700, Russ Allbery

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-17 Thread João Vanzuita
That's a very nice starting point! Maybe it's a good ideia, but I'm still asking myself why. And wanna ask you guys to answer the Jonathan Downland question bellow. On 17/04/15 13:06, Jonathan Dowland wrote: The real question is: what do we gain by hosting such things on github? The social

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-17 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 03:36:45PM -0300, João Vanzuita wrote: And wanna ask you guys to answer the Jonathan Downland question bellow. On 17/04/15 13:06, Jonathan Dowland wrote: The real question is: what do we gain by hosting such things on github? The social stuff, pull requests, etc.?

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-17 Thread Ben Finney
Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org writes: So, yes, it's nonfree. Yes, it's controlled by DDs. No, I don't think this should be the Vcs-Git: target. No, I don't think we should endorse GitHub. Yes, we need free tools. Yes, we should contribute to the F/OSS community where upstreams are.

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-17 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 06:03:12AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: Upstream is using a decentralised VCS, it seems a little condescending to assume they are incapable of using it. An entirely fair point, however, I also think it's quite rude to ignore the workflow they've chosen for contributions --

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-17 Thread mudongliang
On Fri, 2015-04-17 at 17:06 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 11:22:53PM +0800, mudongliang wrote: But I know that debian does not manager source code by git ! How can it?? Some people and teams in Debian do manage their package sources in git; others don't. I'm not

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-17 Thread Stuart Prescott
Jonathan Dowland wrote: Some people and teams in Debian do manage their package sources in git; others don't. I'm not sure what the stats are at the moment for the various approaches; there might be a UDD script already that generates some. I was interested in looking at this, once upon a

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 11:22:53PM +0800, mudongliang wrote: But I know that debian does not manager source code by git ! How can it?? Some people and teams in Debian do manage their package sources in git; others don't. I'm not sure what the stats are at the moment for the various approaches;

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes: Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: Funny, this is why I don't get why people are so upset that some use GitHub. Because of how Git works, the impact of lock-in is pretty much limited to the non-repository stuff (issues and so forth). Yet it is

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-17 Thread Steve McIntyre
Ben Finney wrote: Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org writes: So, yes, it's nonfree. Yes, it's controlled by DDs. No, I don't think this should be the Vcs-Git: target. No, I don't think we should endorse GitHub. Yes, we need free tools. Yes, we should contribute to the F/OSS community where

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes: Ben Finney wrote: Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org writes: So, yes, it's nonfree. Yes, it's controlled by DDs. No, I don't think this should be the Vcs-Git: target. No, I don't think we should endorse GitHub. Yes, we need free tools. Yes, we should

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-17 Thread Ben Finney
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes: Agreed - it's really annoying to see everybody clamour for a centralised single point of of failure for git hosting. :-( Funny, this is why I don't get why people are so upset that some use GitHub. Because of how

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-16 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
I'd rather see gitlab.debian.net :) Which is similar in spirit to ask.debian.net. PS. Sorry for top reply from mobile phone. On 16 Apr 2015 7:46 am, Jérémy Lal kapo...@melix.org wrote: Hello, i was wondering if debian had a github account as an organization, where maintainers could be

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-16 Thread Alessio Treglia
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Dimitri John Ledkov x...@debian.org wrote: I'd rather see gitlab.debian.net :) Good one Dimitri! I started to use Gitlab for serious work only recently, and well I love it. So +1 from me, I volunteer to help out with that. Cheers! -- Alessio Treglia

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-16 Thread Mattia Rizzolo
On 16 Apr 2015 7:46 am, Jérémy Lal kapo...@melix.org wrote: i was wondering if debian had a github account as an organization, where maintainers could be added. there is: https://github.com/debian This is a scary pandora box, though :) indeed. it could be nice, but i'd rather avoid it. On

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-16 Thread mudongliang
On Thu, 2015-04-16 at 17:11 +0200, Mattia Rizzolo wrote: On 16 Apr 2015 7:46 am, Jérémy Lal kapo...@melix.org wrote: i was wondering if debian had a github account as an organization, where maintainers could be added. there is: https://github.com/debian This is a scary pandora box,

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-16 Thread Dmitry Yu Okunev
On 04/16/2015 06:09 PM, Alessio Treglia wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Dimitri John Ledkov x...@debian.org wrote: I'd rather see gitlab.debian.net :) I'm not a DD, but I'd suggest to consider Gogs, too. It's pretty new and unfinished, but potentially is much better than GitLab, IMHO.

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-16 Thread Andrew Shadura
I'd rather see gitlab.debian.net :) Why Gitlab when there's Kallithea? :) -- Cheers, Andrew

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-16 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Jérémy Lal wrote: i was wondering if debian had a github account as an organization, where maintainers could be added. It would probably better to use free tools instead? http://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html -- bye, pabs

debian github organization ?

2015-04-16 Thread Jérémy Lal
Hello, i was wondering if debian had a github account as an organization, where maintainers could be added. This is a scary pandora box, though :) Jérémy.

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-16 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Jérémy Lal (2015-04-16 15:45:34) i was wondering if debian had a github account as an organization, where maintainers could be added. Wouldn't surprise me, but I don't know (not interested). This is a scary pandora box, though :) If you add that remark to appeace those disliking

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-16 Thread Sven Bartscher
On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 09:04:07 -0600 Dimitri John Ledkov x...@debian.org wrote: I'd rather see gitlab.debian.net :) I don't a reason to have gitlab/github/someother git stuff for debian, since we already have alioth. Maybe someone can enlighten me. Regards Sven pgphXmA_4Agbj.pgp Description:

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-16 Thread Dmitry Yu Okunev
On 04/16/2015 09:19 PM, Alexander Alemayhu wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 06:15:07PM +0300, Dmitry Yu Okunev wrote: I'm not a DD, but I'd suggest to consider Gogs, too. It's pretty new and unfinished, but potentially is much better than GitLab, IMHO. I'm not a DD either but +1 :) I tried it

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-16 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 19:40:21 -0700, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: Iustin Pop ius...@debian.org writes: I think the VCS agnosticism is actually detrimental in this context. It's much easier for the user when every repo is using the same VCS. And consistency makes it very easy, for example,

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Iustin Pop ius...@debian.org writes: I think the VCS agnosticism is actually detrimental in this context. It's much easier for the user when every repo is using the same VCS. And consistency makes it very easy, for example, to refer to commits across projects, to standardise pull/clone

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-16 Thread Iustin Pop
On 2015-04-17 10:54:43, Russell Stuart wrote: Github has all but annihilated SourceForge in the hosting market place, and the stand out change is it's UI. That is in spite of SourceForge's impressive mirror network and SourceForge being VCS agnostic. I think the VCS agnosticism is actually

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-16 Thread Russell Stuart
On Thu, 2015-04-16 at 19:37 +0200, Sven Bartscher wrote: On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 09:04:07 -0600 Dimitri John Ledkov x...@debian.org wrote: I'd rather see gitlab.debian.net :) I don't a reason to have gitlab/github/someother git stuff for debian, since we already have alioth. Maybe someone

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-16 Thread Alexander Alemayhu
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 06:15:07PM +0300, Dmitry Yu Okunev wrote: I'm not a DD, but I'd suggest to consider Gogs, too. It's pretty new and unfinished, but potentially is much better than GitLab, IMHO. I'm not a DD either but +1 :) I tried it out awhile back from the try site[0]and it just

Re: debian github organization ?

2015-04-16 Thread Neil Williams
On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 17:11:29 +0200 Mattia Rizzolo mat...@mapreri.org wrote: On 16 Apr 2015 7:46 am, Jérémy Lal kapo...@melix.org wrote: i was wondering if debian had a github account as an organization, where maintainers could be added. there is: https://github.com/debian I've already