. Also, if there are topics
you want to have in the developers reference, please feel free to submit
patches to the bug tracking system.
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Hello, world,
Kernel updates
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A kernel/d-i team meeting was recently held to review the status of
2.6.8. The team leads involved eventually decided to stay with kernel
2.6.8 and 2.4.27, rather than bumping the 2.6 kernel to 2.6.10. This
decision was made upon review of the
Hello world,
Let's take a break from talking about etch plans to talk about sarge
again, shall we?
Debian Installer RC3, kernels
-
The RC3 release of the debian-installer has been published. As Joey
Hess mentions in his announcement[0], this has been the
Hello world,
Since the most recent release update, there have been a couple of
improvements. First of all, the most important one for most of you is
that thanks to the hard work of Ryan Murray and the other buildd admins,
the infrastructure for testing-security is more or less in place and
Hi,
finally, sarge is about to release. As that happens, we had some more
discussions with people as volatile is going to be really live soon;
volatile is also mentioned in the release notes.
Some topics have been brought to our attention, and we plan to solve them
all in May, so that we are
Hi,
Well, just in case it wasn't obvious to everyone from looking at the
release-critical bug stats, we should probably come out and say it: the
the count of release critical issues affecting sarge is still going
down, but it's not yet down to zero, which means no release this
weekend.
But we
Hi, All,
there are some release policy changes for etch:
One change was quite automatic with the so called editorial changes to
the social contract - it is now required that all content in main and
contrib is DFSG-free. This mail is not a call for mass bug filing - please
see Frank's mail about
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Hi all,
we currently have almost 800 RC bugs in etch due to small glitches that
started to make code FTBFS with the new gcc version.
It is urgently necessary that maintainers start to fix their own
packages, and that whoever has some time at their
Hi all,
we currently have a couple (or rather: way too many) transitions already
ongoing. Please, don't upload shlib bumps or lib renamings unless
required by one of these transitions.
glibc 2.3.5
===
This is the transition that blocks almost all packages from reaching
testing.
Hi all,
It has been discussed for a while already. While we have release
criteria for packages, up until now we don't have any for the
architectures. However, decisions made about an architecture affect
both our users (and developers) and the release cycle much more than
decisions about an
Hi all,
We had a very productive QA Team Meeting in Darmstadt from the 9th to
the 11th of September[1]. The participants had a lot of fruitful
discussions during the weekend. Besides minor bits that just
happened, the following major issues progressed significantly:
* Mass package removal
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This morning I cannot reach the LDAP server - again.
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it was just down, and is restarted right now.
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it's still only project and not product quality. Any help on that would
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Enhances: foo is already implied.
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N-117 = Mon 30 Jul 06: freeze essential toolchain, kernels
N-110 = Mon 7 Aug 06: freeze base, non-essential toolchain (including
e.g. cdbs)
Why do you put the kernel together with the essential toolchain freeze, it
should
* Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060103 23:02]:
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the other hand side, the difference is only one week - and if nothing is
broken by that, we can freeze the kernel at N-110 also.
i think comparing the kernel with the toolchain
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with not shipping the package.
No. Shipping unsupported packages no developer cares about is a bad idea.
Well, by definition if a package is too broken to support it, the bug is
RC.
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* Frank Küster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 18:11]:
Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Really, how about just automatically[1] removing orphaned packages
without maintained rdepends from
* Frank Küster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 19:36]:
Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Frank Küster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 18:11]:
Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: Thomas Viehmann in [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Really
* David Nusinow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060112 21:47]:
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 09:35:18PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
However, on the other hand feel free to create a common maintained
packages team that adopts such packages :)
Isn't that pretty much what the qa team does?
Not really. All qa
* Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060115 10:00]:
If you remove cruft from one of your packages, do you start notifying
developers on d-d-a?
In case of the developers reference, I did.
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Only because you have a prejudice against volatile doesn't mean its the
wrong place. Volatile is rather the exactly right place for this kind of
update.
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* Anand Kumria ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060207 09:52]:
On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 09:13:07AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
* Anand Kumria ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060207 04:34]:
I also think volatile is precisely the wrong place to put this kind of
data -- it isn't part of the default apt.sources
on how to
do it.
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, I would agree with you. However, s-p-u contains any kind
of packages right now.
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* Adeodato Simó ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060305 14:44]:
* Andreas Barth [Sun, 05 Mar 2006 14:16:50 +0100]:
Well, if s-p-u would *only* contained approved packages for the next
point release, I would agree with you. However, s-p-u contains any kind
of packages right now.
Right, I've
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* Daniel Stone ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060309 19:53]:
Please point me to a candidate who is claiming that 'there is no problem
and that we should all be friends'.
krooger.
Sorry, couldn't resist. :)
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Actually, in case stockholm gets elected,
Sorry, where's the Wiki page describing codenames for DPL candidates?
Sorry for using the IRC name. I try to avoid that in mail, but failed
this time
person got busy or demotivated. I suspect NEW
Well, that person is currently on the CeBIT and manning the Debian booth
there.
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python?)
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the backports are really usable and have a
_very_ nice configuration setup. I can't say anything about
experimental, as I haven't tried them yet.)
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Fachbegriffe des Schienenverkehrs
, but also
in most other (roman) Languages for law.
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Fachbegriffe des Schienenverkehrs #1 von Marc Haber in dasr
Alles wird billiger: 50 % Preiserhöhung für
. If I ask an only-user with
an university graduate, he will probably say law.
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Fachbegriffe des Schienenverkehrs #1 von Marc Haber in dasr
Alles wird billiger: 50
for an english word when there is a much
better international alternative that is understand by jurisprudent
people all over the world - the potential users.
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Fachbegriffe des
very unfriendly. (I'm not speaking formally whether
the removal is allowed, and consequences for the freedomsnes of the
software in respect to debians guidelines. That's a totally different
discussion.)
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in making
changes against the will of the upstream maintainers. (Formally
everytihn is different. But the world doesn't work with only viewing
the formal points.)
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* Matthew Palmer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030424 02:50]:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Andreas Barth wrote:
Can't you understand that as an author you would like that messages
like this are not removed without your consent? The internet
robustness principle says: Be liberal in what you accept
* Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030424 05:20]:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 17:41:58 +0200, Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
You can. The _moral_ right is compatible with free software, the
_formal_ right not. (And in some, rare cases the moral right is
ignored. mkreiserfs could
-devel and not
hans-reiser-devel, so I spoke not about Hans Reisers behaviour (what
does not mean that I like his behavior).
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Fachbegriffe des Schienenverkehrs #1 von
bugs. But you really should
get a consensus before mass-filling.
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* Brian May ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030521 02:35]:
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:00:21PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
The policy vetoe to symlinking intends (in my interpretation) two
goals. One is to ensure that the licences don't change unintendidly.
This could e.g. happen if there is a global
.
The developers references tells that both methods are allowed in 5.11.4
http://www.debian.de/doc/developers-reference/ch-pkgs.en.html#s-ack-nmu
I for myself prefer the changelog entry because it shows direct which
bugs are closed by the maintainer.
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...
Perhaps you just shouldn't try to enforce your point of view. That
would make it easier.
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* Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030604 08:20]:
On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:50:45 +0200, Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
You should really accept the decision of a package maintainer.
Why so, if they are not doing the right thing?
In real life there a three categories: Right
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, and also add an i386 distribution which does not support
C++ at all
5. like 4, but support C++ in a way incompatible with other Linux
distributions in the i386 distribution.
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enough reason to me.
Sorry, but I can find no RFA/O-entry for this package. That should be
done first before kicking it off. And I don't remember to read
anything from the current maintainer either.
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.
Tell me when you upload this, so I can file an rc bug against it, for
modifying other packages conffiles.
When did you fill an rc bug against tar for modifiying other packages
conffiles?
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that.
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* Michael Banck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030626 08:20]:
On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 06:50:54PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
What does oppose us to make subarchitectures quite more easy than now?
(That would also be useful for the AMD Opteron and the like that could
use normal i386-code, but can
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for a while now.)
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no need for a extra tool.
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not ftpmaster. So ...
If you're too cool to do proper ITPs then don't complain about the debian
processing for new packages not working for you.
... is not right.
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* Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030705 12:05]:
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 11:08:04AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
* Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030705 10:50]:
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:51:49PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
Additionally, I would like to seriously propose establishing
?
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* Sam Hocevar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030705 14:50]:
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003, Andreas Barth wrote:
is it usefull/ok to close old RFP/ITP-entrys? old means for me more
than year since the last mail for ITP, and 2 years for RFP. Of course
I would write mail first whether the package is still
saves volunteer time for more usefull
things.
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, and
that's not the case. So the recommendation is right, but it doesn't
solve the problem Marc spoke of.
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step (that is
sending mail asking for other opinions).
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existing)
packages). [1] usable means: have usable licences and a manpage.
This would also mean that bugs to netbm are usually not fixed, and new
versions not integrated in debian. As speaking alone doesn't help I
have ITAed netpbm.
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. There is sound, too.
Well, does anyone stand up for this cool application?
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d-d. The title of 200332 is ITA: netpbm -- Graphics conversion tools.
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* Jesus Climent ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030723 18:50]:
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 04:45:54PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
That applies to data-files (or very similar things) like spamassasin.
There should be in the README.Debian given a location for the backport
by the maintainer.
Spamassassin
first according
to reference, and this maintainer is not MIA.
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for the text interface was just
too bad, I don't know. Printer is a HP Laserjet 4L, and CUPS is that
of woody. LPRng did go to working instantly.)
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in the train bistro could get enough juice. :-/
This is still valid, e.g. on Munich - Zürich, as the German goverment
declines to electrify this line (and also declines to let the Swiss do
it). But we're now heavily off-topic.
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want me I stopped fixing it.
Sad.
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in a while, e.g. because of holidays.)
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. The danger is already there and
should not be ignored.
Why is this a danger? This is one of the freedoms provided by free
software, which we work hard to promote.
Because it would be a waste of work, time and energy.
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* Matt Zimmerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030806 16:20]:
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 03:33:38PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
* Matt Zimmerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030806 14:50]:
Why is this a danger? This is one of the freedoms provided by free
software, which we work hard to promote.
Because
-a]
Yes, I can see the problem. However, it would have helped me much if
this policy would have been clearly stated at
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/ (should I open a bug,
or can it be fixed without?).
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, as long as anyone volunteers to keep the package
in a good state, and it doesn't put burden on debian, it's ok to keep
it.)
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they are being delayed, then the fact
that this information is not published on the website does not indicate that
the process is broken.
According to the mails I get from more than one applicant they're not
always informed to the causes of the delays.
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should consider to re-introduce
spamassassin 2 as spamassassin, and the version 3 as spamassassin3.
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* Francesco P. Lovergine ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041006 15:05]:
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 02:40:47PM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote:
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 02:32:09PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
Just for record, I and a few other people removed spamassassin 3 on
my workstation due to performace
that already before that it was said
no new upstream versions? Spamassassin 3 is a new upstream version -
so, no spamassassin 3 in sarge.
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* martin f krafft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041006 22:40]:
also sprach Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.06.2234 +0200]:
I guess spamassassin3 won't be added to sarge. Can you remember
the upload of the latest kde to unstable, and the explicit NO from
the release masters? Can you remember
unstable.
We are talking about a package aimed for next stable.
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up (and have also
already volatile.d.n ;), but there are some issues that needs to be
considered before doing a public announcement.
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api by providing it as
spamassassin.
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.
Cheers,
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Hi,
* paddy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041008 16:05]:
On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 03:15:29PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
* paddy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041008 15:10]:
What are the pros and cons for
volatile-{stable,release,or-whatever-you-call-it}
as an all-at-once release model, rather than
, they may contact me.
That's all for now. Comments and suggestions are welcome.
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. virus scanners typically have
this behaviour.
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* Thomas Bushnell BSG ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041008 18:25]:
Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
- volatile is not just another place for backports, but should only
contain changes to stable programs that are necessary to keep them
functional;
I think your proposal looks good, but I
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