the
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_not_ include whatever /usr/skare/pkg stuff you need to ship? What
_do_ you have in pkg-data, then?
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at best.
Additionally, make sure that the secondary packages are tagged
special::auto-inst-parts in debtags.
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the most acute problem: That of _removing_ a key
quickly if the keyring maintainer who originally added it is
temporarily unavailable.
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-data.
I think that using debtags (special::auto-inst-parts) is a better way
of doing this than trying to cram even more information coding into
the package namespace than we already have.
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If somebody designs and implements (after a suitable architectural
review) some software to support distributed keyring maintenance in a
secure, auditable way, it is likely that calls
rather see just a package tag. If
one didn't already exist, I would have suggested 'special::useless'.
One does already exist: 'special::auto-inst-parts'.
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of these
tools I've seen are incapable of distinguishing between what's needed
for static linking, and what's needed for dynamic linking.
Would you recommend against *shipping* such a script when upstream
provides it (in addition to a .pc file)?
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they have _different_ contexts.
Now we're at it, also add the link
http://wwws.sheetmusicplus.com/sheetmusic/detail/WB.GS2001.html
for du*l*ng b*nj*s (remember to spell du*l*ng with a single l, which
is the spelling that has been misdirected to d-l).
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world will have settled upon BASE64, which requires only 43 bytes.
Why wait for the world to settle? Would there be anything wrong with
writing a sha256sum program that outputs base64 right now?
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* Henning Makholm:
Why wait for the world to settle? Would there be anything wrong with
writing a sha256sum program that outputs base64 right now?
I wouldn't use real base64, though, because it would mean that you can
use its hashed output as a file
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* Henning Makholm:
I wouldn't use real base64, though, because it would mean that you can
use its hashed output as a file name.
Good point. One might replace / with _ and omit the final =.
Having a + in the hash should be safe in most contexts
drop the two attached files in /usr/share/lintian/checks/.
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this problem. It looks for ELF objects that flag shared libraries in
the default search path as NEEDED without actually importing symbols
that the library exports
| sha1sum -
s.-tUTs04N4IxBOtWpdoIXt1b0qgHIgNm9IC_OgYjm-mU -
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Scripsit Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 10:15:34PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
I would expect something like
$ dsum -a sha1 COPYING; sha1sum COPYING
s.w4runjyMTV1ZT_VIob4FRTAjAW1ihpMfZRLbIV7B_UI COPYING
sha1sum already exists; and isn't that long. Do you
of your case.
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*shrug* The computer security folks at that university started
spreading FUD about various security systems, mainly rehashing the
work of others. They seem to be in it mostly for the publicity.
More ad hominem arguing.
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RFC2822 representation.
Is this worth a package of its own? It's not as if generating RFC2822
dates in perl is hard - there are twoliners easily googleable.
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Alternatively each user can spread his load over all three servers;
his download now takes 5 minutes, and each server _still_ sees
600*5 = 3000 active connections at any time. Thus _all_ users
strings.
(Of course², nobody said that this will be easy to do for any
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how to fix the problem.
On the other hand, I do not think that most of the bugs in our BTS are
reported by non-technical users.
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merely vocing objections to lowering the bar for people who
are responsible for Debian packages, and can thus run code as root
on my machine.
How on earth do you manage to interpret promote the easy entry points
to contributing to debian more prominently as lowering the bar?
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often just hit ^C to
exit after upgrading, instead of waiting ages for all the updating
random stuff #11, very slowly... 2% stuff to finish before I can
type q
aol /
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are not permitted to change the ECW file format.
This, however, directly kills DFSG-freedom as well as GPL compatibility.
If the library is actually linked with GPL code, as the authors seem
to expect, the entire think becomes legally undistributable even in
non-free.
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Maintainer:
fields, unless the maintainer agrees to have his name on it.
You seem to require a standard of attribution in the Maintainer field
that Debian does not itself follow in our default procedures. To wit:
NMUs _within_ Debian keep the Maintainer field unchanged.
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Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Package name: xcftools
Version : 0.5
Upstream Author : Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* License : GPLv2
Description : command-line
for pointing out that imagemagick does have some support for
layers. This wasn't apparent to me the first 20 times I read the
manpage :-)
(In related news, an xcftools package is now in the NEW queue).
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Wouldn't do in my shop
just the thought of it's enough to make you sick
and I'm telling you them pussy cats
, such
that users upgrading from sarge to etch won't be needlessly bothered.
I still maintain that the information provided was useful,
Whether it is useful is the wrong question. Lots of things are
useful but still not relevant to spam the sysadmin with during
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be helpful, because I don't have the time to read up on
it now, but will want to when you file the first bug on my pkgs,
FWIW, I agree with both of these points.
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with an off-the-shelf MUA
that can be configured to send to a smarthost rather than to a local
MTA.
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. But that does not seem quite the Debian way of
doing things.
(On a related note, will I lose my position in the NEW queue by
uploading improved versions of the package before it is accepted?)
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Scripsit Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Henning Makholm wrote:
You are supposed to write an appropriate shlibs file, as described in
policy �8.6. Have you done so?
My file is currently automatically generated by dh_shlibdeps, and says
libargtable2 0 libargtable2-0.
No it isn't
under a viral license ;-) And, more important,
is not covered by copyright law
Even more important: Debian does not distribute kittens at all.
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presumably non-free and certainly not in main themselves. Yet I have
not heard anybody suggest that it ought to have been in contrib for
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It is easier to just do it right from the beginning.
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Scripsit Hendrik Sattler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Am Dienstag, 28. Februar 2006 21:26 schrieb Henning Makholm:
Further, providing an .orig.tar.gz without the debian/ directory helps
prevent confusion for users on non-Debian systems.
On the other side, some user may find it very useful
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* License : BSD-like
Description : Brainfuck compiler
What is this useful for?
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commands:
Basically just a horrible way to write down counter machines. Who
would use that for anything?
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languages generally do not depend on having a compiler for them.
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reacting to the (to me) evident uselessness of the proposed package.
[1] Except that I think it grossly overstates the strangeness of what
is just a straightforward if rather verbose encoding of a well-known
computation model, but that is not the packager's fault.
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to be directly relevant to the
development of Debian, and I'd expect most people here haven't
ever even looked at kernel source.
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implies that this somebody must be Debian
user or developer.
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chemotherapy, than meningococci with the bad luck to catch a man
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are good that they will be there come morning.
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because representing LISP functions by LISP lists became the
dominant
a couple of years ago.
However, the current sysvinit has no trouble shutting down my sid box.
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license a package has, and they can just look in the copyright file
(which is available from p.d.o. when p.d.o. works fully).
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you are not francois massaquoi's son
Indeed I am not. I see nothing can be hidden from you.
Rather a brilliant display of observation and deduction, actually.
I don't suppose we could interest you in a job at the Yard?
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for the LONG_TEXT_FILE string.
(It does prevent executing arbitrary code taken from the environment
variable _instead_ of dying horribly).
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occasionally unplug their fiber connector and look
sentence from Jacobo Tarrio seems to use not distributable
in sense (b). Since this is not in fact -legal, I assume that we all
actually agree and that JT is simply unfamiliar with the relevant
jargon.
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Please, people, the mere fact that we have an expulsion procedure should
*not* mean that we have to invoke it twice in a few weeks.
Hear, hear!
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with an older one.
Probably a better solution would be to rename libfoo-dev to
libfoo1-dev such that if packages that link to libfoo1 reach stable
there will still be a way to rebuild them for security updates without
adding the new-bug risks of switching to a new implementation of the
library.
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is _not_ at uol.com.br, inform listmaster at
lists.debian.org with as much documentation as you can get, in
particular full headers.
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Scripsit Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wednesday 22 March 2006 09:45, Henning Makholm wrote:
Listmasters have been trying to
identify the responsible subscriber with no luck
Why not just 500 all posts from sites known to use challenge-response?
The challenges are send directly from
.
The generated autofoo stuff does not end up in the .deb, so the
copyright file needs not describe it.
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On Mon, 27 Mar 2006, Henning Makholm wrote:
And we ignore any (C) FSF in generated autofoo stuff.
The generated autofoo stuff does not end up in the .deb, so the
copyright file needs not describe it.
It often ends up in the source
that the defendant did in fact
know that the work was subject to copyright. The only difference is
that the defendant gets to try to convince the court that he did not
recognize the notice as an assertion that copyright exists.
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Scripsit Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, Mar 28, 2006 at 03:51:30PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote:
Only for some pretty strange values of worthless. AFAIU the only
legal effect of the notice requirements you cite is as defined by
subsection (d): if a compliant notice is present
. LaTeX programs
are not being _compiled_; they are being _executed_ and their output
are page descriptions.
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chemotherapy, than
Scripsit Damián Viano [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For a more complete definition of the term coroutine see The Art of
Computer Programming by Donald E. Knuth.
I nominate this for the 2006 Most Precise Literature Reference in a
Package Description award.
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be sold for monetary gain only as long as
it is sold together with an entire official Debian diskset or an
entire snapshot of the FTP archive.
Such a license would fail #8 because it is specific to the work
Debian.
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documentation gives the details (sorry, but I'm away from my web
browser right now, so can't check).
License: IBM Public License (is that an ok license?)
Yes, unless they changed it recently.
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Scripsit Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 01:12:21AM +, Henning Makholm wrote:
I think you trimmed away content that was crucial for understanding the
parts you did quote, but whatever. If you need reptition or
elaboration, I'll provide it.
Please do. I found
, cc,
make, nroff, etc. That's prominently visible to users; the libc is a
technical detail that most users wouldn't care about unless it breaks.
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, that will work well, methinks.
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existence of some Cretan who is not a liar is rather unsettling.
up your accusations in public, you
shouldn't make them in public.
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Scripsit Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 04:31:42AM +, Henning Makholm wrote:
Which would amount to saying We won't tell you why, but please change
your name. I think that would be discouteous in the extreme.
No, they simply could have said that they were
with other libraries using the same name, I think
Debian should provide the library under the same name. Client
application source will be written to use -lcore, and we'd do nobody a
service by forcing Debian users to change that manually.
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a specific very good reason to bypass
dpkg-gencontrol (or its debhelper wrapper). Do you?
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of identifying the handwriting much more difficult.
.
(But release-manager intervention would still be needed for SA3 to
proceed to testing before all current clients have been fixed).
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Scripsit Andre Majorel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 2004-10-06 16:09 +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
Do not try to compute Installed-Size by hand - dpkg-gencontrol will do
it for you correctly.
For my enlightenment, what does dpkg-gencontrol do that is more
correct than summing st_blocks ?
Use
Scripsit Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Some things are not so obvious:
Should volatile include updates of packages such as debian-keyring?
debian-policy and developers-reference?
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as such.
If it provides the same functionality as /usr/sbin/sendmail but with a
different command name, then somebody needs to explain why.
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som
it as a sendmail alternative, just like
nullmailer or ssmtp or other ones...
Nullmailer is simply a way to deliver mail to a remote SMTP
server. For example you cannot have it listening on port 25.
Nevertheless it quite correctly provides mail-transport-agent, and so
on.
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Price for Commercial Software:
Cost: several hundreds dollar and vendor lock-in
And even more if one wants legit copies.
Membership has its privedleges!
Which? No membership is required.
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than that - no thanks.
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or manage a queue. That belongs on a mail hub with a system administrator.
Neither of these are necessary tasks for an MTA.
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licensing terms. He does not need a license at all to distribute his
own work, thus there is nothing for *him* to violate.
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Wouldn't do in my shop
just the thought of it's enough to make you sick
Scripsit paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 05:06:21PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
A backport of a new Mozilla release is something vastly
different from new rules for a spam filter,
To be fair, the issue is that if were just rules, there wouldn't
be a need.
Why not? I
Scripsit George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Monday 11 October 2004 19:18, Henning Makholm wrote:
The definition of mail-transport-agent is that it provides a
/usr/sbin/sendmail that local software can use to submit emails for
delivery to arbitrary addresses with some reasonable
Scripsit Sven Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Henning Makholm [u] wrote on 11/10/2004 20:22:
[volatile.debian.org]
Security fixes should be handled by security.d.o.
Perhaps yes, perhaps no.
Security fixes *to* packages already in volatile is a grey area, yes.
I thought I was talking about
Scripsit paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 07:22:15PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
Scripsit paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To be fair, the issue is that if were just rules, there wouldn't
be a need.
Why not?
Well, the argument goes:
that can be done out-of-band
Scripsit paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 03:05:05PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
But isn't volatile.d.o supposed to *be* the out-of-band mechanism
(whatever out-of-band means here)?
No. clamav virus signatures, for example, can be maintained by a program,
freshclam
to give his
software a non-generic name] or something like that.
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it by running a configure script.
Some minor typos, most certainly originally made by me:
officially distributed to the upstream author: s/to/by/
non-DFGS-free material: s/GS/SG/
the latter two points it to let: s/it/is/
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this.
IAARODL. If the DFSG-free part cannot be distributed without the
non-DFSG-free parts, then it was never DFSG-free in the first place.
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four when googling for callwave
remove (without quotes).
I still wonder what the people posting here are thinking, though. If
they are thinking at all, that is.
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procedure statement
is to allow the sysadmin to control who
gets the privilege of using pmount.
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useful. In the wrong setting, though, it is destructive...
.
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all I meant was that he likes to have a bang everywhere.
Scripsit Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Meanwhile, what's
the total installed space for glastree if you're not a Perl lover?
Perl-base is 'Proirity: required' and 'Essential: yes'. It doesn't
even have to be depended on.
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