Re: Look for keysign

2024-07-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
I remember you! I can't help with signing (wrong country) but good luck! -- Please do not CC me for listmail. 👱🏻 Jonathan Dowland ✎j...@debian.org 🔗 https://jmtd.net

Request for IkiWiki NMU (FTBFS #1074727)

2024-08-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
ian work at the moment. Best, -- Please do not CC me for listmail. 👱🏻 Jonathan Dowland ✎j...@debian.org 🔗 https://jmtd.net

Re: RFC: packages that can be installed by the user but not used as build dependencies

2024-08-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Policy. I'm not sure it makes sense to try and encode this restriction in Policy itself. Best wishes, -- Please do not CC me for listmail. 👱🏻 Jonathan Dowland ✎j...@debian.org 🔗 https://jmtd.net

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

2024-08-31 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Thanks for working on this. I finally had a read over it today. I've found the split in discussion between this list and the Merge Request comments hard to manage. It would help a lot, I think, if some of the MR threads were marked resolved, assuming the issues they describe are resolved. Tha

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

2024-09-06 Thread Jonathan Dowland
b as "resolved" (if they are by your second draft). Best, -- Please do not CC me for listmail. 👱🏻 Jonathan Dowland ✎j...@debian.org 🔗 https://jmtd.net

Re: Debian Birthday in Netcraft

2003-08-21 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 02:03:50PM +0200, Javier Fern?ndez-Sanguino Pe?a wrote: > I'm not even sure how they derive that information, Debian's Apache might > provide it in the banner information (Since when? BTW, has this always been > the case?) but many other web servers in Debian won't. This m

debian menu system and capital letters

2003-09-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi all, A small annoyance I have with debian's menu system is an inconsistency in the naming of programs on the menus: Apps/Tools ASclock EditRes Oclock ... bbpager docker ... The ordering of the menu is dictated by the menu system rather t

Re: debian menu system and capital letters

2003-09-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 04:10:20PM +0100, Jason Chambers wrote: > > You can get the case ignored when ordering by adding the following > to /etc/menu-methods/menu.h. > > sort=tolower($title) > > Then run update-menus to regenerate them. I've had a play around with this, and found that putting a

Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!

2003-09-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 12:00:05PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote: > if I get kernel 2.4.22 as a debian package I expect kernel 2.4.22 as > a debian package, not something else... any debian specific changes > should result in kernel name change, that's what's expected in kernel > world (when I get

Re: [debian-devel] Re: A case study of a new user turned off debian

2003-11-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 06:48:09AM +, Magos?nyi ?rp?d wrote: > I guess having kernel-image-vanilla and/or > kernel-image-onlybugfix in debian would not hurt. Or kernel-image-hx ... what caught me out was believing kernel-image-2.4.xx or whatever was relatively pristine. However naive that make

Re: A case study of a new user turned off debian

2003-11-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 08:12:38PM +, Steve Kemp wrote: > On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 03:05:56PM -0500, Greg Stark wrote: > > > All he had to do was install an older version of libc6 and every other > > package > > would have been happy. All the infrastructure is there to do this, the old > > pac

Re: Package libc6-dev depends on linux-kernel-headers

2003-11-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 08:23:14PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: > Jonathan Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't know whether this package needs to match the kernel version or > > not, but if not I think the name is poorly chosen. > > So your "sub

Re: Package libc6-dev depends on linux-kernel-headers

2003-11-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:23:30PM -0500, Andrew Pimlott wrote: > On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 01:20:49PM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > > It does not need to. Feel free to propose a patch to document this > > more clearly (I don't really want to rename it again...) > > Add something like this to t

kernel package names (was Re: Package libc6-dev depends on linux-kernel-headers)

2003-11-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 11:13:28AM -0600, Ryan Underwood wrote: > Before that realization, it seemed like the type of random cruft that > sometimes gets pulled in on dist-upgrade; a name change would help > alleviate that initial perception, IMO. Why not libc6-linux-headers? I'm in two minds wh

Re: Package libc6-dev depends on linux-kernel-headers

2003-11-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 11:21:11AM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 10:37:24PM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote: > > Jonathan Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > In what situation would the linux-kernel-headers package be needed >

Re: kernel package names (was Re: Package libc6-dev depends on linux-kernel-headers)

2003-11-06 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 01:14:31PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > On 05-Nov-03, 19:14 (CST), Jonathan Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm in two minds whether or not to ask this, but I've been wondering > > about the naming scheme for linux packages - ker

Re: kernel package names (was Re: Package libc6-dev depends on linux-kernel-headers)

2003-11-06 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 08:43:52PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 20:14, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > I'm in two minds whether or not to ask this, but I've been wondering > > about the naming scheme for linux packages - kernel-*. Why not > >

Re: rename linux-kernel-headers to system-headers

2003-11-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 07:55:03PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > What not rename linux-kernel-headers to simple system-headers-linux? > This will prevent confused users (or: lazy to read the description users) > from asking this again and again. system-headers-linux is a bit vague and without kn

Re: rename linux-kernel-headers to system-headers

2003-11-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 10:45:24PM -0600, Graham Wilson wrote: > On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 09:37:16PM +0100, Otto Wyss wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 10:45:32AM +0000, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > > > On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 07:55:03PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: >

Re: Is vrms really still a Virtual Richard M. Stallman?

2003-11-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 12:04:00PM +0100, Roland Stigge wrote: > Andrew Lau wrote: > > So is vrms now up for a name change before the real RMS decides to sue > > us for misrepresenting him! = ) > > > > Nominations are now open. > debian-legalint I think this one, or a variation, has good prospec

Re: Programming first steps.

2003-11-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 08:45:51PM +0800, David Palmer wrote: > Hello, > > I thought that I might make a beginning at learning. > I've searched the web, found information that goes beyond the definition > of plethora, so I thought that I'd ask here. > > (1) What is the best language to start with

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

2003-11-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 02:19:02PM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: > For personal pet projects, I use 2 spaces per nesting level. Some people > think that's Pure Evil(tm), Most noteably perhaps, Linus Torvalds, although... >although I fully agree with you about wasting > screen real estate in 80 colu

Re: Debian communication and attitude [was: Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior]

2003-11-19 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:44:03PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: > No, but if you don't do it, you forfeit your right to whine about > duplicate work when it turns out that you're not the only one who has > been doing work without telling anybody about it. So, _both_ people involved should have

Re: apt-rpm article -- the features we don't have

2003-12-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:17:26PM -0800, A.J. Rossini wrote: > > Andrew Pollock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 07:50:29PM -0800, A.J. Rossini wrote: > >> > >> Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > >> > > >> > To install a package directly, with apt downloading

Re: apt-rpm article -- the features we don't have

2003-12-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 07:06:41PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Similarly, to check the build depends of a source package file: > apt-get build-dep apt-listchanges-1.49-11104cl.src.rpm Should this be the job of apt-get? Fetching a list of build-depends is a similar job to that performed by apt-ca

Re: Backport of the integer overflow in the brk system call

2003-12-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 12:08:17PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: > Afaik: 2.4.23 contains literally 100s of changes, one of these was a > small change to do_brk(), which looked like a normal non-critical > bugfix to everybody involved. Some time later Debian was hacked and > backtracing how the i

Re: Debian packages and freedesktop.org (Gnome, KDE, etc) menu entries

2003-12-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 03:53:54PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: > Sebastien Bacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I'm not sure that's a good idea. I'm using Gnome and I'd like to keep a > > simple applications' menu, not having hundred entries like in my > > debian's menu. Having too many entries in

Re: apt-rpm article -- the features we don't have

2003-12-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 08:19:24AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > ... apt-get build-dep somesourcepackage" ... > > apt-get build-deb ... Just to clarify, build-dep is the proposed action rather than build-deb? -- Jon Dowland http://jon.dow

Re: apt-rpm article -- the features we don't have

2003-12-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 06:10:27PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 02:10:56PM +0000, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > Should this be the job of apt-get? Fetching a list of build-depends is a > > similar job to that performed by apt-cache for other fields. I alway

Re: improving downloader packages (was: Re: holes in secure apt)

2014-06-16 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 07:31:14PM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > I think a better way than to create such a policy would be to create a simple > framework that does in-package downloading "right" and that downloader > packages can depend on and call from their scripts (a bit like dbconfig- > co

Re: Bug#753704: Aw: Re: Bug#753704: ITP: amap -- Next-generation scanning tool for pentesters

2014-07-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
must", > or by proposing a carefully-worded exception to existing policy). But just to be clear, the odds of changing policy are vanishingly small. Rename the binary in Debian, do whatever foo is necessary to provide a PATH that doesn't rename the binary that can be injected in th

Re: let missing-debian-source-format lintian tag be a warning!

2014-07-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
t the patch-handling aspect of 3.0 (Quilt) is offputting enough to folks that some are avoiding 3.0 altogether and not benefitting from the other improvements. However the single-debian-patch workaround is a pretty good compromise, IMHO, and perhaps just needs wider awareness. -- Jonathan Dowla

Re: How Debian should handle users requests?

2014-07-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 07:50:17AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > I think that would probably just add more noise to debian-devel. Maybe "general" bugs should go to debian-user instead? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contac

Re: How Debian should handle users requests?

2014-07-21 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 08:36:09AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > That would be change in meaning of the pseudo-package, it isn't > supposed to be for user support. Personally I don't think that we need > the general/base/cdrom/project pseudo-packages any more. At minimum we > should update reportbug to

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian

2014-07-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 08:05:22PM -0400, Reinhard Tartler wrote: > I think it would be best if ftp-master left the ffmpeg package in NEW > until an answer to this problem has been found. That would leave people who are eagerly awaiting ffmpeg(1) stranded in limbo whilst the tangential library iss

Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 04:16:01PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > - encoding (due to git restrictions): > ":" -> "%" > "~" -> "_" I think I'd prefer to see something like X -> _Y where chr(Y) = X and hex(ord(X)) = Y, e.g. "_" -> "_5f" ":" -> "_3a" "~" -> "_7e" There is

Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
m and ./debian in the repository, those who don't want to follow it aren't mandated to, but having a lot more consistency of vcs-packaging for the majority of packages will make a huge difference for new contributors and I think that's something we should encourage. -- Jonathan Dow

Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-18 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 02:27:15PM +0200, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > I’d rather have something that sorts like Debian versions > in “git tag” output… If that proves too hard to achieve with a mapping scheme, it would be trivial to write a filter to implement it. It does sound useful. > Yikes! > >

Re: Possible abuse of dpkg-deb -z9 for xz compressed binary packages

2014-09-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 01:45:30PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > For any standardish font, taking any extra memory is a no-no. You might be > running in a chroot on a 256MB RAM phone, etc. > > On the other hand, for a 400MB game, not using -z9 is a pure waste of space. They're all arch: all thou

Re: Possible abuse of dpkg-deb -z9 for xz compressed binary packages

2014-09-03 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 10:59:44AM +0200, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Not on avr32, and it hurts sh4, m68k and others as well. I suppose we should always be sympathetic towards such architectures, but at the end of the day we should primarily concern ourselves with release architectures. -- To UNS

Re: systemd, again (Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing)

2014-09-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sat, Sep 06, 2014 at 02:33:04PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > Ok, so let's quantify the view of sysadmins somehow. This is a complete waste of time and I expect better of you in particular. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Tro

Re: ok to ship vaporware in Debian?

2014-09-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
>From reading the bug it's not clear to me whether or not libjs-mediaelement does anything, but IMHO your tone towards the uploader seems unnecessarily bullish and confrontational. In particular [1] strikes me as sacrificing any moral high ground when it comes to BTS ping-pong. [1] https://bugs.de

Re: Trimming priority:standard

2014-09-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 03:44:46AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > You want 'nc myserver 25', as 'telnet myserver 25' will misbehave on 0xff > bytes. A malicious server can do pretty surprising things to you, too. You're both wrong; you want swaks(1). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-req

Re: Trimming priority:standard

2014-09-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 06:27:38PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > On 12/09/14 18:19, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > > One thought... there will probably be trademark concerns with "unix".[1] > > So we might have to choose a name for the tasksel task to be someting > > like "unix-like". > > Perhaps > >

Re: Trimming priority:standard

2014-09-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 03:49:11PM +0200, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > bc is the standard Unix calculator, normally a dc frontend, > and used in *a lot* of scripts. Is there any way of verifying or even reasonably estimating how common it is used? *Within* debian, sadly it's hard to ascertain via cod

Re: Trimming priority:standard

2014-09-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
> On 17 Sep 2014, at 07:58, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > > That's why *both* should be installed by default. Then everybody will be > happy. To keep the (bad) joke going, I was going to suggest gnu zile be made standard, but even *that* is pretty big. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-r

Re: Trimming priority:standard

2014-09-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
> On 17 Sep 2014, at 08:24, envite wrote: > > Having one easy text editor in command line is necessary. Both nano or joe > will make that target. None of emacs nor vi does: they are not as easy. I really think *some* vi implementation should be in standard. It's true, those who don't know v

Re: bash without importing shell functions from the environment

2014-09-26 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 04:29:05PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > I have prepared bash packages which do not honour any shell functions > they find in the environment. IMO that is a crazy feature, which > ought to be disabled. (I'm running this on chiark now and nothing has > visibly broken yet.) T

Re: binary data file and endianness and multiarch

2014-09-27 Thread Jonathan Dowland
> On 27 Sep 2014, at 10:36, Adam Borowski wrote: > > Except that the endianness war has been won by little-endian And yet, network byte order remains big. It's less important which endian they pick, but that they pick one and use it consistently across arches. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: bash without importing shell functions from the environment

2014-09-30 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 07:58:38PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > so maybe as a non-native speaker I am unaware of some joke here, or are you > just > trolling about something fixed for jessie/unstable? I was curious to see what Ian was complaining about, and what has changed up to the jessie ver

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-14 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:11:35AM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > I think in future we should probably make a habit of posting something > to d-d-a when there is a GR proposal. Yep, liw made the same point on -project in response to a thread I started there on this subject. I still feel we don't adeq

Re: Bug#765512: general: distrust old crypto algos and protocols perdefault

2014-10-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
There are a number of mechanisms for proposing and tracking distro-wide changes, such as release goals and DEPs in some cases. But this is not what the general bug is for. Please choose something and then kindly close this bug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org wi

Re: Bug#765512: general: distrust old crypto algos and protocols perdefault

2014-10-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
nt versioning features of the BTS with the general package. Another problem with the "general" package is, who is responsible? Are you prepared to take responsibility to close this bug yourself? If it isn't a release goal, there's no push to have it resolved in any particular

Re: Bug#765512: general: distrust old crypto algos and protocols perdefault

2014-10-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 05:42:23AM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > On Wed, 2014-10-15 at 18:31 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > > It feels to me like you're spending lots of time telling other people > > they're wrong and telling other people what they should be spending time > > on, and then

Re: Built-Using, again…

2014-10-16 Thread Jonathan Dowland
ow resolved, thanks Philipp! > > Wrong again, I dist-upgraded the chroots and gave back the package. > But as before, facts are difficult. Likewise, you could have pointed this out without being quite so condecending. -- Jonathan Dowland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ..

Re: Bug#752450: ftp.debian.org: please consider to strongly tighten the validity period of Release files

2014-10-30 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Show me the patches.

Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

2014-11-09 Thread Jonathan Dowland
coerced you into joining. Great for Debian but perhaps not so much for you... -- Jonathan Dowland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201411090

Re: Please more fish

2014-11-09 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 08:20:29PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > I thought Zlatan's message was beautiful, and it really touched me, and I > wanted to say that. It may have been better if I'd said that in private. No, such public appreciation messages are a pleasure to read. Please do not refrain

Re: Bug#768329: grub-common: Please enable splash for jessie

2014-11-09 Thread Jonathan Dowland
a, especially if boot-time password prompts are likely useless without it (at least with systemd, but this is functionally a regression from wheezy). -- Jonathan Dowland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141109200345.gf29...@chew.redmars.org

Re: A concerned user -- debian Guidelines

2014-11-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
formity is not an option. Debian has decided to support multiple init systems. Do you not know this? Have you been misled by the FUD? That's exactly what we're working on! -- Jonathan Dowland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of &

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 01:13:39AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Please discourage the use of pristine-tar. The format is fragile and can > suffer from bit rot. I am not personally interested in pristine-tar, but I don't think this is the right place to take a stance on its use. -- To UNSUBS

Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 03:38:59PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > Personally I wouldn't use anything other than debian-only repos, at > least for those where I have a choice. I also actively avoid > contributing to packages that don't use such repos. And I'm the exact opposite. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, em

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-13 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 01:58:23PM +0100, Bálint Réczey wrote: > > acceptance for ironic, sarcastic humor. > I love irony and sarcasm, but I don't think planet.debian.org is the > right place for the mentioned content. I'm afraid you misunderstand the purpose of planet Debian. If you want an aggre

Re: parsable copyright format 1.0 (jessie release goals)

2013-05-14 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 07:52:25PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > Being able to write tools to extract the license of any given package. Well, extract what the maintainer thought the license was when they wrote debian/copyright. What correlation that has with reality is an open question. -- To

Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 06:26:40PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Oh, sorry, I forgot, you work for Canonical (which totally explains some > of your writings in the other eMail too, which I’m not going to comment > on). Of course, for *buntu people it’s not about choice. I think you are totally o

Re: Bug#709237: ITP: meta-suckless-tools -- meta-package installs simple commands for minimalistic window managers

2013-05-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 07:17:34AM +0400, Dmitry Papchenkoff wrote: > Maybe there should not be a separate package for each tool, but at > least st and dmenu should be packaged separately. Why? > Moreover, there IS a package named stterm in unstable which ships st > separately (I've found it then

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 03:22:12AM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > 2013/5/24 brian m. carlson : Gentlemen, This is well-worn territory on -devel. Please bear in mind the OP's wish not to open this can of worms again. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subj

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 04:07:06AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 05/23/2013 03:55 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > > How on earth does that contradict with the fact that 40%, i.e. > > the minority of all contributions are done by the original > > author. 40% still means that 60% of the co

Re: Debian systemd survey

2013-05-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
If On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:50:00PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > A large number of contributors to an *init system* is not > something that should be a goal in and of itself Then > Furthermore, the statistics for systemd are themselves a distortion isn't really relevant here, let's please n

Re: default MTA

2013-05-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 03:02:22AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > Now that we are done with systemd for the time being, can we have the > flame war about replacing Exim with Postfix as the default MTA? > > Are there any objections other than "but I like it this way!"? As things stand, for the vast

Re: Bug#706078: ITP: base91 -- base91 encoder/decoder

2013-05-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 09:42:20AM +0200, Franck Routier (perso) wrote: > this description is from the upstream readme. I have submited a bug > report to ask for a correction. > Should I patch the readme inbetween ? If you mean the package description, then yes: it should be tailored to Debian. Wh

Re: optimizing PNGs

2013-05-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi Adam, On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 05:56:06PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > A while ago, someone raised the possibility of recompressing PNG files. From my brief experience of working on games-thumbnails, I can appreciate that the space savings may well be worth it at scale, but performing compres

Re: optimizing PNGs

2013-05-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On 28 May 2013, at 14:04, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > Some plugins for photoshop etc store data in the fields that get removed > by pngcrush and friends. In a sense, doing this is removing source data. This is a bug that should be fixed in the optimiser(s). However, it could easily be worked arou

Re: default MTA

2013-05-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi Simon, On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 01:05:24PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > The participants in this thread are debian-devel subscribers: the sort > of people who know that Debian is a Unix system, know what a Unix system > is, and have some idea of what a "btrfs scrub cron job", or indeed an > MT

Re: systemd .service file conversion

2013-05-30 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 04:50:15PM +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote: > Do you have any reason at all to believe that these were problems with > systemd, rather than problems in Debian configuration or mostly > independent bugs in other software that happened to trigger under > systemd? Whether or not syst

Re: question about build a package

2013-06-03 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi Pol, Your question is more on-topic for the debian-mentors list. You might get more help there. Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2013060316

Re: default MTA

2013-06-06 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 06:38:52PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > On Thu, 30 May 2013 16:53:56 +0200, m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote: > >I think that ease of configurability is a major plus for Postfix when > >compared to Exim, since a common configurations is just a few lines long. > > How many

Re: default MTA

2013-06-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 11:36:21PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > Well, in that case, it failed to be as simple to configure as qmail. Is ease of configuration an important criteria for default MTA? More important than sensible-default? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.deb

Re: Bug#711570: ITP: libsdl2-mixer -- Mixer library for SDL2

2013-06-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
We'll need binaries for sdl 1 and 2 coexisting from two different source packages I believe. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/0d0aca7b-918f-4ba1-80e1-f1f

Re: Bug severity and private data disclosure

2013-06-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
It's amazing how much simpler Debian life becomes if one simply ignores bug severities entirely. Of course harder to do nearer to release, but we live in a time of relative luxury right now… -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Troubl

Re: Bug#711570: ITP: libsdl2-mixer -- Mixer library for SDL2

2013-06-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
At some point in the recent past the SDL team was effectively dead and the games team took over maintenance. ISTR sponsoring at least one upload of an SDL component during that time. However, it's possible that the SDL time was revived since. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@list

Re: Bug severity and private data disclosure

2013-06-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 08:10:22PM +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > Life for the maintainer or for the user? Well, the severity of a bug, from a user POV, makes no guarantee on how serious the maintainer takes it, nor whether they will actually fix it. Admittely some users get comfort from being

Re: default MTA

2013-06-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 12:45:07PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > Sendmail has just one more layer of indirection by virtue of the m4 > macros. Postfix has most of its behavior hard coded in the C sources, > while exim's behavior can be controlled by run-time configuration if > an advanced user wants t

Re: systemd .service file conversion

2013-06-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Jun 02, 2013 at 11:10:38AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > Since you repeat this claim: over the last year and a bit, systemd has > seen 21 releases. I agree this is quite a lot, but it's hardly twice a > week. The number of Linux releases over the samer period is only about half that, w

Re: default MTA

2013-06-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 08:00:17AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > To this exim expert, configuring exim is done as follows: > > zcat /usr/share/doc/exim4/examples/example.conf.gz > /etc/exim4/exim4.conf Absolutely. At some point in the last few years I was recommended this course of action by a

Re: default MTA

2013-06-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:05:24PM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > The only class of users I can imagine the current situation not optional > is someone being used to postfix[1]. Well, that's not me… > When I remember learning exim I found it quite nice that the config is quite > self-explaining

Re: default MTA

2013-06-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 08:08:17AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: > OpenPGP and S/MIME don't guarantee anonymity as they don't (and can't > really) encrypt the headers/envelope Erm, they also identify the recipients, as it's the recipients key to which the messages are encrypted. (and typically the s

Re: default MTA

2013-06-13 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 09:41:27PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: > DFSG #4: Our priorities are our users and free software > > A court prosecuting/persecuting one of our users is not in scope I'm now struggling to understand which side of the argument you are arguing. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: RFH: two base wheezy bugs

2013-06-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 11:22:50AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: > Being able to systematically link bugs to hardware would be useful, then > other owners of the same hardware would (a) be able to check for outstanding > bugs before upgrading (b) try to reproduce and confirm bugs And if one uses mor

Re: Anybody using quilt?

2013-09-18 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 05:59:41PM +0400, Игорь Пашев wrote: > https://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0 > > Anything other looks bad :-) I think guilt attempts to address something that 3.0 leaves unresolved. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: packaging data that can't be distributed as part of a Debian package

2013-09-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 08:10:07PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Fri, 20 Sep 2013, Faheem Mitha wrote: > > So, I suppose anyone using the software needs to download it. I'll > > provide a script to download the data, but if I want to build a > > Debian package containing that data,

Re: packaging Postgres binary dump files

2013-09-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 12:20:38PM +0200, Paul Wise wrote: > It is also impossible to patch the binary format unlike SQL. Interesting. For the first time, I've realised there can be a clash between "preferred form for modification" and "preferred form for use". -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debia

Re: packaging Postgres binary dump files

2013-09-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
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Re: packaging Postgres binary dump files

2013-09-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
> On 20 Sep 2013, at 14:49, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > > I mean, not really, right? I wouldn't write it if I didn't think so. > > If I want to use a .so, I want the ELF, but I want to modify it in C The classic case we all know well which doesn't map to this situation. > This just means we ship

Re: packaging Postgres binary dump files

2013-09-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
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Re: Replacing unrar-free with unar wrapper

2013-09-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 04:30:59PM +0200, Dominik George wrote: > My proposal is to remove unrar-free from Debian, for the reasons > mentioned above, and add a patch to src:unar that include a wrapper > script that provides a command-line wrapper compatible to both > unrar-free and unrar-nonfree, s

Re: qmake and "make dist"

2013-09-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 07:06:04PM +, Sune Vuorela wrote: > For all my qmake and cmake based projects, neither that has a make dist, > I've asked my VCS for a tarball of the tag and blessed that one as 'the > release'. +1 Anecdotally, one of my upstreams has a broken tarball which is a git ex

Re: pdksh transitional package going away...

2013-09-26 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 08:41:15AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > In Debian, there are only two packages depending, recommending, > suggesting or build-depending on pdksh right now: … >graphviz (U) >shunit2 These surprised me, so I took a peek. In shunit2's case, ksh is optionally used a

Re: Bug#724980: ITP: trove -- Database as a Service for OpenStack

2013-09-30 Thread Jonathan Dowland
think it would be nice if it was a bit more concise (whilst still describing key terms that someone not immersed in the area will understand. Quite a challenge.) -- Jonathan Dowland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2013093019.GA16565@debian

Re: Bug#724980: ITP: trove -- Database as a Service for OpenStack

2013-10-01 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 01:31:20AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > P.S: Even if I'm spending the most of my days on packaging OpenStack for > Debian, it's still too big for me alone, and I would accept some help... May I make a suggestion? Instead of filing ITPs for every Openstack component, file

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