On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 10:34 PM Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> I have gtk3-nocsd installed on my machines, but I don't think a
> default install is a good idea, as its necessary use via LD_PRELOAD
> breaks *any* program using ASan.
The sanitisers shouldn't be used in production binaries due to
On 2019-06-07 17:24:17 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> * CSD is still a thing. No, your special program shouldn't get to ignore
> system theme, put controls in wrong order, miss some controls, not respond
> to minimize/etc if it's currently busy, etc. Consistency not one-off
> designs.
>
>
Thomas Goirand:
> On 6/10/19 8:46 AM, Niels Thykier wrote:
>> However, at no point in this, can I understand how highlighting disdain
>> for certain people (or what their "title") would help with anything in
>> this endeavour (or any other cause for that matter). From my PoV, it
>> just seems
On 6/10/19 8:46 AM, Niels Thykier wrote:
> However, at no point in this, can I understand how highlighting disdain
> for certain people (or what their "title") would help with anything in
> this endeavour (or any other cause for that matter). From my PoV, it
> just seems needlessly unprofessional
Adam Borowski:
> On Sun, Jun 09, 2019 at 09:46:37AM +0100, Chris Lamb wrote:
>> [...]
>
>> As others have mentioned, I hope that Debian remains a project that
>> makes it evermore welcoming to individuals
>
> Yeah but one of our core values is "we do not hide problems". I'd rather
> lash out
Adam Borowski wrote:
> > As others have mentioned, I hope that Debian remains a project that
> > makes it evermore welcoming to individuals
>
> Yeah but one of our core values is "we do not hide problems". I'd rather
> lash out and voice my gripes _with actionable ideas_ than to stay silent to
On Sun, Jun 09, 2019 at 09:46:37AM +0100, Chris Lamb wrote:
> Adam Borowski wrote:
> > This is about GUI appearance and ergonomy.
[...]
> > I also hate with a passion so-called "UX designers". Those are folks who
> > created Windows 8's Metro tiles, lightgray-on-white "Material Design" flat
> >
Adam Borowski wrote:
> This is about GUI appearance and ergonomy.
>
> I'll concentrate at XFCE, as I consider GNOME3's UI a lost cause, thus I'd
> find it hard to bring constructive arguments there.
>
> I also hate with a passion so-called "UX designers". Those are folks who
> created Windows
On Sat, Jun 08, 2019 at 10:21:22AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 05:24:17PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > In general: could we please do something to appearance beyond choosing a
> > wallpaper once a release?
>
> I fully support more effort on improving the usability,
On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 11:24 PM Adam Borowski wrote:
> In general: could we please do something to appearance beyond choosing a
> wallpaper once a release?
Please note that modifying the appearance of apps can annoy upstreams:
https://stopthemingmy.app/
On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 05:24:17PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
In general: could we please do something to appearance beyond choosing a
wallpaper once a release?
I fully support more effort on improving the usability, consistency etc. across
the GUI stuff we provide. Timing-wise it's best done
Hi Adam,
Adam Borowski:
> I also hate with a passion so-called "UX designers".
I would love if we tried to make Debian more welcoming to folks with
skills that our project lacks, such as UX design and graphics, rather
than the opposite.
> They work from a Mac while not having to actually use
On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 12:32:54PM -0700, James Lu wrote:
> >> +1 for Materia (materia-gtk-theme), especially the dark variant. It's a
> >> simple, flat dark theme that preserves contrast without being having a
> >> pitch black background, more so than Arc-Dark and even Adwaita-Dark. The
> >>
On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 10:57:17PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Adam Borowski - 07.06.19, 21:09:
> > On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 11:24:03AM -0700, James Lu wrote:
> > > I use Noto Sans, which supports a lot of languages out of the box
> > > and is the default in at least Cinnamon AFAIK.
> >
> >
Adam Borowski - 07.06.19, 21:09:
> On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 11:24:03AM -0700, James Lu wrote:
[…]
> > > * default font is ugly and poorly hinted -- the latter is
> > > especially jarring> >
> > > on a low-resolution screen I'm at right now, the former still
> > > applies to one's proper
On 2019-06-07 12:09 p.m., Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 11:24:03AM -0700, James Lu wrote:
>> As far as I know, Debian mostly uses default upstream desktop defaults,
>> so these concerns apply there too. Evidently some DEs (Plasma, Cinnamon)
>> focus on looks out of the box more
On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 11:24:03AM -0700, James Lu wrote:
> As far as I know, Debian mostly uses default upstream desktop defaults,
> so these concerns apply there too. Evidently some DEs (Plasma, Cinnamon)
> focus on looks out of the box more than others.
Yeah, and when upstream defaults are not
Adam Borowski - 07.06.19, 17:24:
> This is about GUI appearance and ergonomy.
>
> I'll concentrate at XFCE, as I consider GNOME3's UI a lost cause, thus
> I'd find it hard to bring constructive arguments there.
Similar to you I do not "get" GNOME 3. I have no idea why I would like
to use it.
Hey Adam
On 2019/06/07 17:24, Adam Borowski wrote:> I'll concentrate at XFCE
I proposed most of what you said in this email (and some more) in the
#debian-xfce channel a few months ago. They were actually surprisingly
open to having such config changes and suggested I prepare a proposal, I
was
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019, Wookey wrote:
> On 2019-06-07 17:24 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > * CSD is still a thing. No, your special program shouldn't get to ignore
> > system theme, put controls in wrong order, miss some controls, not respond
> > to minimize/etc if it's currently busy, etc.
Bjørn Mork - 07.06.19, 19:22:
> Adam Borowski writes:
> > => Install gtk3-nocsd by default in all desktop tasks but Gnome.
> > It's not>
> > perfect but it helps.
>
> That's nice. Thanks for the tip. I enjoy nice tools like eog and
> evince, but have always been annoyed by the
On 2019-06-07 17:24 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> * CSD is still a thing. No, your special program shouldn't get to ignore
> system theme, put controls in wrong order, miss some controls, not respond
> to minimize/etc if it's currently busy, etc. Consistency not one-off
> designs.
What is
(I *love* customization, so I can't help but chime in here...)
As far as I know, Debian mostly uses default upstream desktop defaults,
so these concerns apply there too. Evidently some DEs (Plasma, Cinnamon)
focus on looks out of the box more than others.
On 2019-06-07 8:24 a.m., Adam Borowski
Adam Borowski writes:
> => Install gtk3-nocsd by default in all desktop tasks but Gnome. It's not
> perfect but it helps.
That's nice. Thanks for the tip. I enjoy nice tools like eog and
evince, but have always been annoyed by the missing window title and
associated window manager
On Fri, 2019-06-07 at 17:24 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> This is about GUI appearance and ergonomy.
>
> I'll concentrate at XFCE, as I consider GNOME3's UI a lost cause
Have you tried Cinnamon, it's quite nice and not ugly nor unwieldy.
> * people tend to use computers with only limited
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