On Thu, 21 Aug 2014, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
There is something called LLVMpipe, it's a software fallback when there
Hm, but LLVM is not available for all Debian (CPU) architectures.
bye,
//mirabilos (let’s make IceWM the default desktop and good is.)
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2014, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
There is something called LLVMpipe, it's a software fallback when there
Hm, but LLVM is not available for all Debian (CPU) architectures.
Given we're talking about jessie's default and it's available for all of
jessie's
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 18:02:29 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] Thorsten Glaser
On Thu, 21 Aug 2014, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
There is something called LLVMpipe, it's a software fallback when there
Hm, but LLVM is not available for all Debian (CPU) architectures.
Given we're
Hey,
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014, at 17:56, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
Hello,
For some hardware there are no 3D drivers. E.g. in server-boards there
are most of the time very poor GPU's. I don't use a graphical
environment on servers myself most of the time, but I think many people
do.
We don't have
Joss wrote:
I think there are several ways to do that:
* tweak the debian-cd scripts to build GNOME images for Linux
architectures and Xfce or MATE images for !linux (I canât tell
how hard it is)
It's perfectly feasible; at the moment, the debian-cd scripts on
Hello,
Here my points about using Gnome 3.12:
Gnome 3.12 depends on 3D video drivers or a emulation of that. In Gnome
3.4 (Wheezy) there was a fallback mode, but that's gone. There is now
something called GNOME Classic but that still needs 3D drivers. It's
only more classic with menu's etc.
On Thu, 2014-08-21 at 17:56 +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
Hello,
Here my points about using Gnome 3.12:
Gnome 3.12 depends on 3D video drivers or a emulation of that. In Gnome
3.4 (Wheezy) there was a fallback mode, but that's gone. There is now
something called GNOME Classic but that
Le jeudi 21 août 2014 à 13:17 -0700, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
It works for me in a KVM/QEMU VM with cirrus emulation. That has no 3D
acceleration, and I am viewing the display with VNC. As I understand
it, the composition and animation effects are simplified when LLVMpipe
is being used, so
Hi,
Paul van der Vlis wrote (21 Aug 2014 15:56:53 GMT) :
There is something called LLVMpipe, it's a software fallback when there
is no 3D video driver. [...] How does it work on older machines?
I'm particularly interested in this question, e.g. on machines in the
ThinkPad X32 / X60 / X61
Le Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 07:27:14AM +0200, intrigeri a écrit :
Paul van der Vlis wrote (21 Aug 2014 15:56:53 GMT) :
There is something called LLVMpipe, it's a software fallback when there
is no 3D video driver. [...] How does it work on older machines?
I'm particularly interested in this
Please don't top post!
On Thu, 2014-08-14 at 15:12 +0100, envite wrote:
Why not MATE for all and put a11y into it?
Makes more sense for e.g. small computers like those in 3rd World talked
before.
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I'm all for it, and am willing to help making it happen. With
Hi Svante, hi all,
On Fr 15 Aug 2014 11:02:28 CEST, Svante Signell wrote:
Please don't top post!
On Thu, 2014-08-14 at 15:12 +0100, envite wrote:
Why not MATE for all and put a11y into it?
Makes more sense for e.g. small computers like those in 3rd World
talked before.
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Quoting Josselin Mouette (j...@debian.org):
I’d like the thread to be useful, and for that goal it would be much
appreciated if the d-i team could you tell us what the relevant criteria
are and what people need to work on.
Here is my opinion. Please take it as opinion of someone who's been
Can we please keep accessibility for the disabled in mind too?
Unless Debian wants to be completely ableist, Gnome and KDE are the only
two viable options.
I worked in adaptive technology for years training blind users to use
JAWS under windows. I think it's great that similar technology
Le jeudi 14 août 2014 à 08:53 +0200, Christian PERRIER a écrit :
→ Will you configure different defaults for different architectures?
Given the current architecture of tasksel, I think it requires
important changes to the code and nearly nobody contributes to the
code: tasksel is in
@lists.debian.org
Asunto: Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop
Le jeudi 14 août 2014 à 08:53 +0200, Christian PERRIER a écrit :
→ Will you configure different defaults for different architectures?
Given the current architecture of tasksel, I think it requires
important changes to the code
Hi Josselin,
here's my take as d-i release guy. That's basically in line with
Christian's except for the last answer.
I'm also putting -boot@ in Cc so that other d-i members can voice their
opinions. Full mail can be found at:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/08/msg00432.html
Hi,
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014, Josselin Mouette wrote:
I think there are several ways to do that:
[...]
* make stripped-down gnome-core/gnome metapackages for !linux,
relying on lightdm and gnome-flashback (that I can do)
I believe this should be done. It's also in the spirit of
❦ 13 août 2014 02:06 +0200, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org :
If you increase the DPI settings under XFCE following the instructions
posted by Ted, none of the UI elements besides text are scaled, no
scaled cursor, no scaled icons, no scaled window decorations, etc.
As I am using awesome,
❦ 13 août 2014 00:37 -0007, Cameron Norman camerontnor...@gmail.com :
Probably relevant to Michael's inquiry: can we just get a few
screenshots? It would be a lot easier to compare.
http://imgur.com/CzZblwH
http://imgur.com/z42IMOD
http://imgur.com/8hnR0NS
Only configuration done is settings
On 2014-08-12, Octavio Alvarez alvar...@alvarezp.ods.org wrote:
On 09/08/14 04:30, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Quoting envite (2014-08-09 10:43:25)
XFCE (does not mount my USB disks)
Did you perhaps suppress recommends?
Should this really be a Recommends?
It surely fits the definition of
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 05:17:10PM -0700, Octavio Alvarez wrote:
That's why I see GNOME 3 as a tablet environment. I'd love to use a
tablet with GNOME 3. But using it in a desktop just reduces the
communication between me and my computer. What is Debian?
This is actually the core (hidden)
Hi,
Theodore Ts'o ty...@mit.edu writes:
This is actually the core (hidden) question which I think is driving
the whole debate. Ignoring the claims of Debian as the universal
operating system, what audience does Debian what to target by default
in its installer?
Agreed. Though default is a
Hi,
On 08/13/2014 15:43, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
Is it the power user? Is it developers? Is it the typical users I've
seen on Launchpad, such that I've largely stopped dealing with bug
reports there --- far too many Ubuntu users can't file a proper bug
report, and then other Ubuntu users
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 04:09:25PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
To quote a fairly famous Linux user who eventually came back from XFCE
to GNOME: But I'm actually back to gnome3 because with the right
extensions it is more pleasant.[1]
But I'm not sure if he qualifies as a power user or is
But I'm actually back to gnome3 because with the right
extensions it is more pleasant.
So the question is does debian have the extensions he speaks of?
(and) Have debian tweaked those extensions by default, to his liking?
And to quote a not so famous computer user who said what's that crap
2014-08-13 22:05 GMT+02:00 Anthony F McInerney afm...@gmail.com:
But I'm actually back to gnome3 because with the right
extensions it is more pleasant.
So the question is does debian have the extensions he speaks of?
(and) Have debian tweaked those extensions by default, to his liking?
And
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:18:49PM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
Well, Linus' extensions won't break because GNOME updates them with
every release and ships them with the official GNOME release.
From the README found in gnome-shell-extensions sources:
GNOME Shell Extensions is a collection
2014-08-13 22:59 GMT+02:00 Theodore Ts'o ty...@mit.edu:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:18:49PM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
Well, Linus' extensions won't break because GNOME updates them with
every release and ships them with the official GNOME release.
From the README found in
On 08/13/2014 06:08 PM, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
2014-08-13 22:59 GMT+02:00 Theodore Ts'o ty...@mit.edu:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:18:49PM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
Well, Linus' extensions won't break because GNOME updates them with
every release and ships them with the official GNOME
Le mardi 12 août 2014 à 12:26 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit :
Ian Jackson wrote:
Do you intend to review (or are you reviewing) the decision taken in
July 2012 [1] ? If so, is this discussion here on -devel useful ? If
it is useful, what questions should we be focusing on ?
See my 1st
On 13/08/14 23:08, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
the common reaction I get from new Linux users [...]
I would also recommend to go for
this user group when selecting a default, since any more experienced
user can absolutely be expected to pick the right image with their
favourite flavour of Debian,
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 06:34:46PM -0400, Hashem Nasarat wrote:
The following first party extensions are developed along with
gnome-shell and are updated for each gnome-shell release.
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell-extensions/tree/extensions
Extensions on
I’d like the thread to be useful, and for that goal it would be much
appreciated if the d-i team could you tell us what the relevant criteria
are and what people need to work on.
→ Is the installation CD size still relevant?
→ What is the target audience of Debian-installer for the default
On 07/08/14 23:10, Jordi Mallach wrote:
Popularity: One of the metrics discussed by the tasksel change proponents
mentioned popcon numbers. 8 months after the desktop change, Xfce does not
seem
to have made a dent on install numbers. The Debian GNOME team doesnât feel
popconâs data is
Jordi Mallach writes (Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop):
It's been around 9 months since tasksel changed (for real) the default
desktop for new installs. At the time of the change, it was mentioned
the issue would be revisited before the freeze, around debconf time.
Fascinating
Ian Jackson wrote:
Do you intend to review (or are you reviewing) the decision taken in
July 2012 [1] ? If so, is this discussion here on -devel useful ? If
it is useful, what questions should we be focusing on ?
See my 1st message to this thread.
Can't say I've found most of the thread
On 08/08/14 05:41, Joey Hess wrote:
(Also, perhaps worth noting
that 3.12 is quite a few versions ahead of the gnome currently in
unstable..)
The metapackages in src:meta-gnome3 are still at version 3.8, but the
actual upstream packages making up GNOME 3.12 are nearly all in testing
already.
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:26:18PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
See my 1st message to this thread.
Joey,
With respect to your question re HiDPI displays and Xfce, I'm using
Xfce4 from Debian Testing on a Lenovo T540p with 3k screen, and
setting things up was fairly straight forward. I got most of
El mar, 12 de ago 2014 a las 12:11 , Theodore Ts'o ty...@mit.edu
escribió:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:26:18PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
See my 1st message to this thread.
Joey,
With respect to your question re HiDPI displays and Xfce, I'm using
Xfce4 from Debian Testing on a Lenovo T540p with
Am 12.08.2014 21:11, schrieb Theodore Ts'o:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:26:18PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
See my 1st message to this thread.
Joey,
With respect to your question re HiDPI displays and Xfce, I'm using
Xfce4 from Debian Testing on a Lenovo T540p with 3k screen, and
setting
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 09:33:03PM -0007, Cameron Norman wrote:
With respect to your question re HiDPI displays and Xfce, I'm using
Xfce4 from Debian Testing on a Lenovo T540p with 3k screen, and
setting things up was fairly straight forward. I got most of what I
needed by setting Custom DPI
On 12 August 2014 23:25, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote:
Scaling fonts alone is not sufficient if you want to properly support
HiDPI displays. You really want all UI elements to be scaling up,
otherwise icons etc get tiny and very hard to hit.
XFCE does not deal with that problem at
❦ 13 août 2014 00:25 +0200, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org :
Joey,
With respect to your question re HiDPI displays and Xfce, I'm using
Xfce4 from Debian Testing on a Lenovo T540p with 3k screen, and
setting things up was fairly straight forward. I got most of what I
needed by setting
Am 13.08.2014 01:19, schrieb Vincent Bernat:
❦ 13 août 2014 00:25 +0200, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org :
Scaling fonts alone is not sufficient if you want to properly support
HiDPI displays. You really want all UI elements to be scaling up,
otherwise icons etc get tiny and very hard to hit.
On 09/08/14 04:30, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Hi envite,
Thanks for your input.
Quoting envite (2014-08-09 10:43:25)
XFCE (does not mount my USB disks)
Did you perhaps suppress recommends?
Should this really be a Recommends?
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❦ 13 août 2014 01:44 +0200, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org :
Scaling fonts alone is not sufficient if you want to properly support
HiDPI displays. You really want all UI elements to be scaling up,
otherwise icons etc get tiny and very hard to hit.
XFCE does not deal with that problem at
Am 13.08.2014 01:59, schrieb Vincent Bernat:
❦ 13 août 2014 01:44 +0200, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org :
I can not confirm your findings.
If you increase the DPI settings under XFCE following the instructions
posted by Ted, none of the UI elements besides text are scaled, no
scaled cursor,
Octavio Alvarez alvar...@alvarezp.ods.org writes:
On 09/08/14 04:30, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Quoting envite (2014-08-09 10:43:25)
XFCE (does not mount my USB disks)
Did you perhaps suppress recommends?
Should this really be a Recommends?
Yes.
I have no need for and no desire for automatic
On 12/08/14 15:44, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
So that's my experience with Xfce and HiDPI displays; at least for
this hacker, it was orders of magnitude less painful than dealing with
GNOME. :-)
I would appreciate if you went into a little detail on what pain you had
with GNOME for comparison
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 01:44:43AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
If you increase the DPI settings under XFCE following the instructions
posted by Ted, none of the UI elements besides text are scaled, no
scaled cursor, no scaled icons, no scaled window decorations, etc.
That's a fair comment.
El mar, 12 de ago 2014 a las 5:06 , Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org
escribió:
Am 13.08.2014 01:59, schrieb Vincent Bernat:
❦ 13 août 2014 01:44 +0200, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org :
I can not confirm your findings.
If you increase the DPI settings under XFCE following the
instructions
On 2014-08-07
Jordi Mallach jo...@debian.org wrote:
Hi Debian,
It's been around 9 months since tasksel changed (for real) the default
desktop for new installs. At the time of the change, it was mentioned
the issue would be revisited before the freeze, around debconf time.
Well, it's
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 07:30:49PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
* Olav Vitters (o...@vitters.nl) [140808 19:12]:
[ support for init systems bedside systemd ]
There was also a question what should happen if *upstream* removes
support. That's not up to Debian Developers to patch back. Such
Quoting David Weinehall (2014-08-10 22:59:45)
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 11:10:50AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
The issue here really is how big is it? rather than hos many disks
[of which kind] does it fit onto?.
unable to fit on a single image is not only about use of said
storage
Quoting Olav Vitters (2014-08-11 11:21:14)
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 11:10:50AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Quite a few places in the World have poor and/or expensive internet
access. Larger default desktop will hurt the most in developing
countries: non-techies gets discourages to use
2014/08/12 1:12 Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk:
[...]
Still you are talking about cost in time. Few I have met in developing
countries were poor measured in time available.
[...]
Developed country (Japan). My wife makes me scrimp on everything, so I
still have megabit/sec download. Fiber or
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 06:00:05PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
I do: I see a reason to netinst a 0.629xCD size desktop install rather
than a 0.829xCD size desktop when bandwidth is costly.
Yes, but if you netinst you can *pick* your desktop, it's not like you
have to pick the default. Do a
On Lu, 11 aug 14, 19:38:47, David Weinehall wrote:
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 06:00:05PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
I do: I see a reason to netinst a 0.629xCD size desktop install rather
than a 0.829xCD size desktop when bandwidth is costly.
Yes, but if you netinst you can *pick* your
Olav Vitters wrote:
My response specifically deals with this. Yes, nice if Debian
Developers
could keep the response. However, there is nothing in there about must
not be dropped without good reason. If upstream removes support, so be
it. Then it is very nice if the support is patched back in,
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 06:12:02PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Quoting Olav Vitters (2014-08-11 11:21:14)
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 11:10:50AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Quite a few places in the World have poor and/or expensive internet
access. Larger default desktop will hurt the
On 08/11/2014 07:38 PM, David Weinehall wrote:
Summary:
* If you download you can pick the smallest option possible;
thus the default desktop is irrelevant -- people with plenty
of bandwidth will probably go with the default, but if you know
that your connectivity is expensive you'll
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 07:41:00PM +0100, Mirosław Baran wrote:
Olav, would you mind to clarify in what capacity are you on this list?
(Debian user? Debian maintainer? Debian developer? GNOME upstream
developer?
Systemd developer? Interested independent party? Something else
altogether?)
On 08/11/2014 09:45 PM, Johannes Schaffrath wrote:
On 08/11/2014 07:38 PM, David Weinehall wrote:
Summary:
* If you download you can pick the smallest option possible;
thus the default desktop is irrelevant -- people with plenty
of bandwidth will probably go with the default, but if you
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 11:10:50AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
The issue here really is how big is it? rather than hos many disks
[of which kind] does it fit onto?.
unable to fit on a single image is not only about use of said storage
devices for installation, but also an indication
2014/08/08 6:58 Jordi Mallach jo...@debian.org:
Hi Debian,
It's been around 9 months since tasksel changed (for real) the default
desktop for new installs. At the time of the change, it was mentioned
the issue would be revisited before the freeze, around debconf time.
Well, it's roughly
Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com writes:
First thought: Since systemd has been chosen as the one true way of the
future, it seems only obvious that GNOME should be the default desktop.
That doesn't seem at all obvious to me. I don't think those two things
are particularly related. Lots of
(Sure wish I could get drivers for this Acer tablet so I could get replace
the vendor-constricted Android with a real OS and get software that
wouldn't misinterpret what my fingers do on the screen. But, then, I
suppose I should go to the trouble of booting up a regular computer for
this.)
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:
(Having booted up a real OS, but still using Google's webmail fake MUA. heh.)
[...]
2014/08/11 7:32 Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com:
2014/08/08 6:58 Jordi Mallach jo...@debian.org:
[...]
systemd embracing: One of the
into the current set of shits.
Just a long time user opinion.
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Mensaje original
De: Tiago Bortoletto Vaz ti...@debian.org
Fecha:09/08/2014 4:57 (GMT+00:00)
Para: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Asunto: Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop
Hi,
Tiago Bortoletto Vaz ti...@debian.org writes:
It is, as it's the amazing job which Jordi did on bringing good
arguments in favor of GNOME as a default DE (even I'm not really
supporting it).
His personal opinion about whether or not GNOME or XFCE are technically
the best choices --
Hi envite,
Thanks for your input.
Quoting envite (2014-08-09 10:43:25)
XFCE (does not mount my USB disks)
Did you perhaps suppress recommends?
I have experienced this same issue when (for Debian-Parl deployment at
the European Parliament) I tried trim the system by avoiding gvfs.
In my
❦ 9 août 2014 13:30 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk :
XFCE (does not mount my USB disks)
Did you perhaps suppress recommends?
I have experienced this same issue when (for Debian-Parl deployment at
the European Parliament) I tried trim the system by avoiding gvfs.
In my experience
Quoting Vincent Bernat (2014-08-09 13:43:42)
❦ 9 août 2014 13:30 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk :
XFCE (does not mount my USB disks)
Did you perhaps suppress recommends?
I have experienced this same issue when (for Debian-Parl deployment
at the European Parliament) I tried trim
❦ 9 août 2014 15:13 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk :
Did you perhaps suppress recommends?
I have experienced this same issue when (for Debian-Parl deployment
at the European Parliament) I tried trim the system by avoiding gvfs.
In my experience USB sticks auto-mount properly when
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 1:52 AM, Michael Gilbert wrote:
The better question is whether the xfce switch had or has any
influence on slowing the general debian growth rate [0]? Is the
slight downtick over the last few months due to the default desktop,
or some other change that users aren't
Hi,
after having tried Gnome3 for about a year I have banished it from
all my computers, and switched to XFCE.
*BUT* there is a point that has to be considered: XFCE is currently
broken due to the irresponsible upload of upower, which completely
breaks XFCE Power Manager. See bug 755234 -
Jordi Mallach jo...@debian.org wrote:
Accessibility: GNOME continues to be the only free desktop environment that
provides full accessibility coverage, right from login screen. While it’s true
GNOME 3.0 was lacking in many areas, and GNOME 3.4 (which we shipped in
wheezy)
was just barely
Also:
http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/gnome-as-default-jessie-desktop-2014-08-07-23-58
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Joey Hess jo...@debian.org writes:
Jordi Mallach wrote:
jessie's GNOME 3.x release should be a lot more polished than what we shipped
with wheezy, which means many of the rough edges and annoyances people may
have found when upgrading from squeeze are probably now ironed out.
It's still
* Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org wrote:
...And I'd like us to consider this point as well: How important are
CD images nowadays? Who has a CD that cannot read a DVD?
You may visit some poorer people in the world.
But hey, if they want CD-bread, why don't they just eat DVD-cake.
--
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Quoting Gunnar Wolf (2014-08-08 05:34:29)
One of the reasons put forward for switching to Xfce was size on the
installation images; could you (and/or debian-cd) address this?
Specifically: 1) Would you want the default CD/DVD image to use a
GNOME even if GNOME was unable to fit on a single
On 08/08/14 00:29, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Thu, 07 Aug 2014, Jordi Mallach wrote:
Well, it's roughly that time. :) So I'd like to plainly request GNOME
is reinstated as the default desktop environment for a number of
reasons.
One of the reasons put forward for switching to Xfce was size on
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 01:48:55AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Incidentially, I don't much appreciate the counterproductive sniping
that Jordi added in his blog post about this. Perhaps you're not aware,
Jordi, but switching to xfce was discussed at last DebConf. It was not
done announced in a git
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 03:39:44PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
Of course, this dire situation has come upon us due to the strong
interleaving of Gnome and Systemd and upower maintainers, uploading
without making sure not to break the rest of the infrastructure.
In the original email it was
Hi,
I'm not a Debian developer, just a Debian user, and I want to say that I
was happy to see XFCE being the default DE. Just because it's small,
classic and neutral DE - which GNOME 3 definitely isn't. I think XFCE is
a better default... because I think it's not that uncommon for people to
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 12:41:09AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Jordi Mallach wrote:
Downstream health
Upstream health
Community
Security
Privacy
Documentation
I don't think these are very useful criteria, unless they lead to
actual technical issues/benefits. Which can
On Friday 08 August 2014 15:15:17 vita...@yourcmc.ru wrote:
Hi,
I'm not a Debian developer, just a Debian user, and I want to say that I
was happy to see XFCE being the default DE. Just because it's small,
classic and neutral DE - which GNOME 3 definitely isn't. I think XFCE is
a better
On 08/08/2014 08:31, Michael Gilbert wrote:
Here's a really interesting view showing the downward trend starting
somewhere in April [0]. Note that the xfce trend was consistently
growing prior to and past January (when the default was changed), but
slowed a lot in April. At the same time,
Hi,
vita...@yourcmc.ru writes:
I'm not a Debian developer, just a Debian user, and I want to say that I
was happy to see XFCE being the default DE. Just because it's small,
classic and neutral DE - which GNOME 3 definitely isn't.
Can you qualify that statement? Especially the neutral part,
Can you qualify that statement? Especially the neutral part, it is
not
obvious to me how a DE can be, or not be neutral.
By neutral I've meant a DE without dubious solutions discussed in
gnome3 flame wars all over the web. I don't really think we should also
discuss it here, just because we
Jens Schüßler dijo [Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 10:37:33AM +0200]:
...And I'd like us to consider this point as well: How important are
CD images nowadays? Who has a CD that cannot read a DVD?
You may visit some poorer people in the world.
But hey, if they want CD-bread, why don't they just eat
Hi,
vita...@yourcmc.ru writes:
By neutral I've meant a DE without dubious solutions discussed in
gnome3 flame wars all over the web. I don't really think we should also
discuss it here, just because we don't really want to start another
flame war :)
If you don't want to discuss your
Quoting Gunnar Wolf (2014-08-08 15:00:35)
Jens Schüßler dijo [Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 10:37:33AM +0200]:
...And I'd like us to consider this point as well: How important are
CD images nowadays? Who has a CD that cannot read a DVD?
You may visit some poorer people in the world.
But hey, if
On Fri, 08 Aug 2014, Axel Wagner wrote:
By neutral I've meant a DE without dubious solutions discussed in
gnome3 flame wars all over the web. I don't really think we should also
discuss it here, just because we don't really want to start another
flame war :)
If you don't want to
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 11:42:48AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 03:39:44PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
Of course, this dire situation has come upon us due to the strong
interleaving of Gnome and Systemd and upower maintainers, uploading
without making sure not to
On Fri, 08 Aug 2014, Olav Vitters wrote:
For such a change, 6-9 months of pre-warning should be enough. It would
be way better if projects held back until all affected software changed
(or maybe ensure affected software makes the changes). However, not very
realistic (only so much time plus
On Fri, 08 Aug 2014, Adam Borowski wrote:
If I understand right, new upower basically throws away most of its
functionality, telling its users to use systemd instead. That's an idea
that's neither good nor acceptable.
So reverting to a fully functional version of upower for jessie would be
Quoting Olav Vitters (2014-08-08 15:51:13)
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 03:26:20PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
I wonder if you still missed my point: Concern is not if computers
are capable of reading DVDs, but the *bandwith* burden of installing
and maintaining a larger desktop versus a
Jonas Smedegaard, le Fri 08 Aug 2014 16:11:58 +0200, a écrit :
The following is on a wheezy chroot:
root@bastian:/# aptitude install task-gnome-desktop
The following NEW packages will be installed:
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