Russ Allbery contributed earlier:
The reason why you're not seeing a lot
of constructive engagement with those points here is that most of us are
exhausted with this conversation and tired of repeating ourselves.
Yes, if it is really like that, I understand. But I'm also glad that this
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 09:19:54PM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
previously on this list The Wanderer contributed:
I was explicitly referring to the point in the future when maintainers
do stop providing traditional init scripts. This likely won't happen
that fast, no, but I do think it's
previously on this list Jan Gloser contributed:
Kev, the systemd design document says it all about the lack of design
with statements showing a clear lack of understanding. I would be
ashamed to call it a design document.
I would also like to ask something the people who dislike systemd (as
previously on this list The Wanderer contributed:
I was explicitly referring to the point in the future when maintainers
do stop providing traditional init scripts. This likely won't happen
that fast, no, but I do think it's likely that it will happen - whether
days after the jessie release
On Mar 30, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote:
See above: I'm unsure Debian Developers have yet a clear view of what
should / must be supported, and what's going to happen in this regard.
At least, it's not clear to me.
I believe that it is pretty much obvious myself:
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On 03/30/2014 02:51 AM, Jan Gloser wrote:
Otherwise if you just personally disagree with the design of
systemd and can't describe such a scenario, why not just migrate to
Gentoo or BSD?
This
On 03/30/2014 08:02 PM, The Wanderer wrote:
If it's been decided to continue to require package maintainers to
provide traditional init scripts as well as systemd unit files - e.g.
for Debian's non-Linux ports - then that benefit would be lost.
This, also, has also been discussed. The
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On 03/30/2014 08:02 PM, The Wanderer wrote:
If it's been decided to continue to require package maintainers to
provide traditional init scripts as well as systemd unit files -
e.g. for Debian's
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 13:31:44 -0500, Kevin Toppins
kevin.topp...@gmail.com wrote:
You think I'm retarded or a troll.
You are an obnoxious censored who decided to disrupt an entire
project just because the project took a decision you don't like.
That's rather childish and selfish.
Greetings
Marc,
Now that systemd has wrecked all kinds of previously working stuff, and
many are beginning to realize the *impossibility* of getting systemd to
work *with* linux - I think this might have some effect this time around.
Hello everybody,
I've been watching this discussion, quite curious what
El Sat, 29 de Mar 2014 a las 11:51 AM, Jan Gloser
jan.renra.glo...@gmail.com escribió:
Now that systemd has wrecked all kinds of previously working stuff,
and many are beginning to realize the *impossibility* of getting
systemd to work *with* linux - I think this might have some effect
this
Jan Gloser jan.renra.glo...@gmail.com writes:
1) I think some valid questions have been raised to which I have not
seen ANY satisfactory answer that no doubt a person who truly
understands the subject (unlike me) should be able to give. (though I
might have missed some)
Everything that's
]] Jan Gloser
1) I think some valid questions have been raised to which I have not seen
ANY satisfactory answer that no doubt a person who truly understands the
subject (unlike me) should be able to give. (though I might have missed
some)
I'm not sure what those are, but I merely skimmed
On 03/30/2014 02:51 AM, Jan Gloser wrote:
Otherwise if you just personally disagree with the design of systemd and
can't describe such a scenario, why not just migrate to Gentoo or BSD?
This has been said a 100 times...
There's no need to migrate away. systemd is not (and will not be)
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014, Kevin Toppins wrote:
- Debian needs to *cut all ties* to systemd
[…]
- revert every program systemd took over to its pre-systemd state
- cut your losses while you still can technically achieve a reversion
Seconded (especially the last bullet point).
bye,
On 24/03/2014 17:42, Kevin Toppins wrote:
To all debian developers:
[snip]
-Kev
Lots of asterisks won't make a point.
federico
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On 25 March 2014 08:54, Federico Di Gregorio f...@dndg.it wrote:
[...]
Lots of asterisks won't make a point.
The asterisks are there to specifically focus your attention on those words.
Because - I find that if I don't use them - people tend to misread
what I write (or more so at least)
-Kev
I was very proud of my fellow colleagues for not feeding the troll a
full 24 hours later. Thanks for breaking the record :(
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On 25/03/2014 16:46, Kevin Toppins wrote:
On 25 March 2014 08:54, Federico Di Gregorio f...@dndg.it wrote:
[...]
Lots of asterisks won't make a point.
The asterisks are there to specifically focus your attention on those words.
Because - I find that if I don't use them - people tend to
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 04:15:25PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
I was very proud of my fellow colleagues for not feeding the troll a
full 24 hours later. Thanks for breaking the record :(
I agree - I even *told* people on #-devel to not even - bother
replying - since I figured no one would
On 25 March 2014 11:25, William Unruh un...@physics.ubc.ca wrote:
[...]
And if they are there, together with all the boldfacing, people tend to
think that you are a complete kook. So you makes your choices...
Okay, my apologies.
I am not very experienced with lists and the expectations that
On 25 Mar 11:36, Kevin Toppins wrote:
On 25 March 2014 11:25, William Unruh un...@physics.ubc.ca wrote:
[...]
And if they are there, together with all the boldfacing, people tend to
think that you are a complete kook. So you makes your choices...
Okay, my apologies.
I am not very
On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 16:15, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
I was very proud of my fellow colleagues for not feeding the troll a
full 24 hours later. Thanks for breaking the record :(
I had a hope that the no one will answer OP. :(
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On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:40:02 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
I was very proud of my fellow colleagues for not feeding the troll a
full 24 hours later. Thanks for breaking the record :(
Jonathan we've been through this before.
-
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 01:31:44PM -0500, Kevin Toppins wrote:
Jonathan we've been through this before.
- https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/11/msg00565.html
- https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/11/msg00604.html
Thanks for the trip down memory lane. This is not quite
El Mon, 24 de Mar 2014 a las 9:42 AM, Kevin Toppins
kevin.topp...@gmail.com escribió:
To all debian developers:
- systemd is *fundamentally incompatible* with linux
Now, I realize that's a bold claim, but if you are up for some
reading, I will prove it.
I'll bite.
I even went to
El Tue, 25 de Mar 2014 a las 3:11 PM, Cameron Norman
camerontnor...@gmail.com escribió:
See the documentation for the following if they are not familiar to
you:
* dependencies: Wants/WantedBy, Requires/RequiredBy (in
man::systemd.unit)
* states: ConditionFileExists, ConditionFileExecutable,
previously on this list Brett Parker contributed:
Maybe you should do some more investigation, get some better clue of
what you're talking about, and come back with a better, more thought
out, set of arguments that actually have merit.
Right, by arguing on the basis of the definition of Linux
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