The Wanderer dijo [Thu, Jul 03, 2014 at 11:18:12PM -0400]:
It must work without systemd well enough to be able to cleanly reboot
the system from the GUI, after upgrading.
Anything beyond that is nice-to-have, but definitely NOT required.
I, for one, would be highly displeased if a
The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm writes:
... particularly because I use rather fewer things than
many other people, and don't use most fancy GUI elements. (For example,
I don't have a graphical power button at all; I shut down by exiting
my window manager, logging out of the console where I
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014, at 16:59, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
Besides, it’s not that the TC made a decision. Rather, the TC was
split, and the chairman threw in his weight. This is absolutely not
what I’d call a project(!) decision.
No! The TC has made the decision with full adherence to Debian
That will be my last contribution to this pointless discussion.
Le jeudi, 3 juillet 2014, 16.59:25 Thorsten Glaser a écrit :
or without systemd btw). Given that the technical committee has made
a decision which stayed unchallenged (so far), I've now come to
think that
No, there just has
In other news for Thu, Jul 03, 2014 at 04:59:25PM +0200, Thorsten Glaser has
been seen typing:
No, there just has not been any challenge that met the form and
other requirements… and I am at a bit of loss at what to do here.
Besides, it’s not that the TC made a decision. Rather, the TC was
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On 07/04/2014 04:52 AM, Philip Hands wrote:
The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm writes:
... particularly because I use rather fewer things than many other
people, and don't use most fancy GUI elements. (For example, I
don't have a graphical
On Fri, Jul 04, 2014 at 09:52:07AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
So, let me get this straight:
You're saying that if, having decided to postpone rebooting after an
upgrade where any reasonable person would expect to reboot
This is Debian, not Windows or Red Hat, forced reboots are not
On Fri, Jul 4, 2014, at 16:42, Adam Borowski wrote:
On Fri, Jul 04, 2014 at 09:52:07AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
So, let me get this straight:
You're saying that if, having decided to postpone rebooting after an
upgrade where any reasonable person would expect to reboot
This is
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On 07/04/2014 10:42 AM, Adam Borowski wrote:
On Fri, Jul 04, 2014 at 09:52:07AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
So, let me get this straight:
You're saying that if, having decided to postpone rebooting after
an upgrade where any reasonable
Hi,
Adam Borowski:
There was enough trouble when udev needed an in-lockstep upgrade with the
kernel a few releases back. If systemd components are going to need such
forced reboots on a repeated basis, I don't like where this is going.
systemd and its components can re-exec themselves,
On Friday, July 04, 2014 17:28:05 Matthias Urlichs wrote:
Hi,
Adam Borowski:
There was enough trouble when udev needed an in-lockstep upgrade with the
kernel a few releases back. If systemd components are going to need such
forced reboots on a repeated basis, I don't like where this is
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On 07/04/2014 11:28 AM, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
Hi,
Adam Borowski:
There was enough trouble when udev needed an in-lockstep upgrade with the
kernel a few releases back. If systemd components are going to need such
forced reboots on a
On Jul 04, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote:
This part is precisely what I'm objecting to. I don't consider being
expected to reboot *in order to maintain existing functionality* after
an upgrade to be reasonable.
Tough luck for you then, I fear that this is a perception issue.
At the
* The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm, 2014-07-04, 12:00:
Zurg (Jessie+1),
Has that name actually been formalized in any way?
No. But no worries, if RT chooses a different name, we'll have a GR to
override them. :-P
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Hi,
Thorsten Glaser:
A lot of Debian systems even run without dbus!
Yeah. So? systemd doesn't force you to run a dbus daemon.
No, there just has not been any challenge that met the form and
other requirements… and I am at a bit of loss at what to do here.
You get to do the same thing the
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On 07/03/2014 01:40 PM, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
Hi,
Thorsten Glaser:
Can we get over this now and start making Jessie the most awesome
stable release we've ever prepared together?
To do that, it MUST work without systemd, if alone for
The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm writes:
I, for one, would be highly displeased if a routine dist-upgrade to
testing required me to reboot to avoid having things break.
I generally dist-upgrade my primary computer to testing about once a
week, give or take, but I don't reboot it more often
Hi,
The Wanderer:
I, for one, would be highly displeased if a routine dist-upgrade to
testing required me to reboot to avoid having things break.
We're talking about an upgrade from one release to the other here,
with many intrusive changes (not just systemd).
If you do that upgrade not in
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On 07/03/2014 11:53 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm writes:
I, for one, would be highly displeased if a routine dist-upgrade to
testing required me to reboot to avoid having things break.
I generally dist-upgrade
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