Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-23 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 04:05:32AM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: On 21.08.2010 14:56, Julien Cristau wrote: On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 19:33:12 +0200, Arthur Loiret wrote: Now, to be clear, what nice things would gcc-4.5 bring to our users? There is a complete list here [0], but those ones are,

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-23 Thread Matthias Klose
On 23.08.2010 10:03, Mike Hommey wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 04:05:32AM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: On 21.08.2010 14:56, Julien Cristau wrote: On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 19:33:12 +0200, Arthur Loiret wrote: Now, to be clear, what nice things would gcc-4.5 bring to our users? There is a

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-23 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:41:40AM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: On 23.08.2010 10:03, Mike Hommey wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 04:05:32AM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: On 21.08.2010 14:56, Julien Cristau wrote: On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 19:33:12 +0200, Arthur Loiret wrote: Now, to be clear,

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-23 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 04:05:32AM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: On 21.08.2010 14:56, Julien Cristau wrote: On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 19:33:12 +0200, Arthur Loiret wrote: Now, to be clear, what nice things would gcc-4.5 bring to our users? There is a complete list here [0], but those ones are,

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-23 Thread Roger Leigh
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:03:05AM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 04:05:32AM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: On 21.08.2010 14:56, Julien Cristau wrote: On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 19:33:12 +0200, Arthur Loiret wrote: Now, to be clear, what nice things would gcc-4.5 bring to

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-23 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:45:35PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:03:05AM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 04:05:32AM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: On 21.08.2010 14:56, Julien Cristau wrote: On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 19:33:12 +0200, Arthur Loiret wrote:

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-23 Thread Matthias Klose
On 23.08.2010 13:45, Roger Leigh wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:03:05AM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 04:05:32AM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: On 21.08.2010 14:56, Julien Cristau wrote: On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 19:33:12 +0200, Arthur Loiret wrote: Now, to be clear, what

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-23 Thread Matthias Klose
On 23.08.2010 13:21, Pierre Habouzit wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 04:05:32AM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: On 21.08.2010 14:56, Julien Cristau wrote: On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 19:33:12 +0200, Arthur Loiret wrote: Now, to be clear, what nice things would gcc-4.5 bring to our users? There is a

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-23 Thread Matthias Klose
On 23.08.2010 13:30, Pierre Habouzit wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 01:21:04PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 04:05:32AM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: On 21.08.2010 14:56, Julien Cristau wrote: On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 19:33:12 +0200, Arthur Loiret wrote: Now, to be

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-23 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 02:02:35PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: On 23.08.2010 13:21, Pierre Habouzit wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 04:05:32AM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: On 21.08.2010 14:56, Julien Cristau wrote: On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 19:33:12 +0200, Arthur Loiret wrote: Now, to be

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-23 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 02:05:25PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: On 23.08.2010 13:30, Pierre Habouzit wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 01:21:04PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 04:05:32AM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: On 21.08.2010 14:56, Julien Cristau wrote: On Fri, Aug

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-23 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 02:05:25PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: On 23.08.2010 13:30, Pierre Habouzit wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 01:21:04PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 04:05:32AM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: On 21.08.2010 14:56, Julien Cristau wrote: On Fri, Aug

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-23 Thread Arthur Loiret
2010/8/23, Pierre Habouzit madco...@madism.org: It's just that LTO isn't that a compelling reason, it's not 100% production ready. The plugin infrastructure is though. But you're citing dragonegg, and last time I checked, you had to patch gcc to export one more symbol. If you haven't applied

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-22 Thread Matthias Klose
On 20.08.2010 23:18, Ludovic Brenta wrote: gcc-4.5 is not stable: wrong. it is in experimental and has not even reached unstable yet. yes, exactly. that's because some member of the *release team* asked about it at Debconf privately, before declaring the freeze publically. gcc-4.4 is

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-22 Thread Matthias Klose
On 21.08.2010 14:56, Julien Cristau wrote: On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 19:33:12 +0200, Arthur Loiret wrote: Now, to be clear, what nice things would gcc-4.5 bring to our users? There is a complete list here [0], but those ones are, in my opinion, very nice: - The new link time optimiser. -

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-21 Thread Arthur Loiret
2010/8/20, Ludovic Brenta ludo...@ludovic-brenta.org: Arthur Loiret aloi...@debian.org writes: Are you saying that we are developing an operating system which is not suitable for active development, or that it shouldn't be made suitable for active development? I think he meant that stable is

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-21 Thread Julien Cristau
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 19:33:12 +0200, Arthur Loiret wrote: Now, to be clear, what nice things would gcc-4.5 bring to our users? There is a complete list here [0], but those ones are, in my opinion, very nice: - The new link time optimiser. - Improved C++0x support. - Plugins support.

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-20 Thread Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo
Hello, Sorry for cross-posting if not appropriate, I'm just preserving the e-mail headers. On Friday 20 August 2010 11:34:51 Neil McGovern wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 05:17:32PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: I'm not sure there are any in the original, plugins and a greater optimisation

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-20 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:34:51 (CEST), Neil McGovern wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 05:17:32PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: I'm not sure there are any in the original, plugins and a greater optimisation level certainly aren't things which will solve specific problems. Could you highlight

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-20 Thread Neil Williams
On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:07:46 +0200 Reinhard Tartler siret...@debian.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:34:51 (CEST), Neil McGovern wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 05:17:32PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: I'm not sure there are any in the original, plugins and a greater optimisation

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-20 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 15:51:21 (CEST), Neil Williams wrote: To a point, but upstreams using stable also expect the dependencies to build using the stable toolchain and there are still bugs outstanding (one in my own package) where packages already in Squeeze fail to build from source with

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-20 Thread Arthur Loiret
Hello, 2010/8/20, Neil McGovern ne...@debian.org: I don't think that stable is the place for doing active development. Are you saying that we are developing an operating system which is not suitable for active development, or that it shouldn't be made suitable for active development? If it's

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-20 Thread Ludovic Brenta
Arthur Loiret aloi...@debian.org writes: Hello, 2010/8/20, Neil McGovern ne...@debian.org: I don't think that stable is the place for doing active development. Are you saying that we are developing an operating system which is not suitable for active development, or that it shouldn't be

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-18 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 12:36:34PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: On 11.08.2010 23:16, Neil McGovern wrote: Hi Matthias, Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. On Sat, Aug 07, 2010 at 11:42:42PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: gcc-4.5 should be released with squeeze, at least on amd64 and

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-18 Thread Matthias Klose
On 18.08.2010 16:36, Neil McGovern wrote: On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 12:36:34PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: On 11.08.2010 23:16, Neil McGovern wrote: Hi Matthias, Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. On Sat, Aug 07, 2010 at 11:42:42PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: gcc-4.5 should be

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-18 Thread Ludovic Brenta
Personally, I'd be comfortable with gcc-4.5 in Squeeze except for this part: - the upload will build several runtime libraries from the 4.5 sources. Regression tests did pass for the runtime libs built from the 4.5 sources and for 4.4 using the runtime libs from 4.5. This really gives

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-18 Thread Julien Cristau
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 19:12:37 +0200, Ludovic Brenta wrote: Personally, I'd be comfortable with gcc-4.5 in Squeeze except for this part: - the upload will build several runtime libraries from the 4.5 sources. Regression tests did pass for the runtime libs built from the 4.5

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-18 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-08-18 19:49 +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 19:12:37 +0200, Ludovic Brenta wrote: Personally, I'd be comfortable with gcc-4.5 in Squeeze except for this part: - the upload will build several runtime libraries from the 4.5 sources. Regression tests did

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-16 Thread Matthias Klose
On 11.08.2010 23:16, Neil McGovern wrote: Hi Matthias, Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. On Sat, Aug 07, 2010 at 11:42:42PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: gcc-4.5 should be released with squeeze, at least on amd64 and i386. gcc-4.5.1 was released a week ago, the first bug and regression

Re: freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-11 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Matthias, Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. On Sat, Aug 07, 2010 at 11:42:42PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: gcc-4.5 should be released with squeeze, at least on amd64 and i386. gcc-4.5.1 was released a week ago, the first bug and regression fix release after the initial gcc-4.5.0

freeze exception for gcc-4.5 (i386, amd64 only)

2010-08-07 Thread Matthias Klose
These packages were prepared before the announcement of the freeze, but not uploaded by request of the release team. gcc-4.5 should be released with squeeze, at least on amd64 and i386. gcc-4.5.1 was released a week ago, the first bug and regression fix release after the initial gcc-4.5.0