Re: C + POSIX locale question

2019-02-07 Thread Carlos O'Donell
On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 10:35 AM Michael Stone wrote: > Per the standard, the C locale is supposed to be a synonym for the POSIX > locale. Can someone give a quick explanation for why in debian the C > locale definition is 162k and the POSIX locale is 8k? Shouldn't they be > identical? The

Bug#874160: systemd _sometimes_ does this

2019-02-07 Thread Adam Borowski
On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 03:36:59PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > Turns out systemd independently does this, although not in every case. > If you have unset locale, it changes it to C.UTF-8 for X (gdm3) but not > for console logins. Turns out that console logins are the only exception; ansgar

C + POSIX locale question

2019-02-07 Thread Michael Stone
Per the standard, the C locale is supposed to be a synonym for the POSIX locale. Can someone give a quick explanation for why in debian the C locale definition is 162k and the POSIX locale is 8k? Shouldn't they be identical?

Bug#877900: How to get 24-hour time on en_US.UTF-8 locale now?

2019-02-07 Thread Adam Borowski
On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 02:40:06PM +, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Thu, 07 Feb 2019 at 14:05:33 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > > a locale for a silly country with weird customs > > Please don't take this tone. Insulting people who disagree with you[1] > is rarely an effective way to persuade

Bug#877900: How to get 24-hour time on en_US.UTF-8 locale now?

2019-02-07 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 04:08:21PM +0100, Ansgar wrote: On Thu, 2019-02-07 at 09:59 -0500, Michael Stone wrote: On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 02:40:06PM +, Simon McVittie wrote: > How would this locale differ from C.UTF-8? Is the only difference > that C.UTF-8 has strict lexicographical sorting,

Bug#877900: How to get 24-hour time on en_US.UTF-8 locale now?

2019-02-07 Thread Adam Borowski
On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 04:08:21PM +0100, Ansgar wrote: > On Thu, 2019-02-07 at 09:59 -0500, Michael Stone wrote: > > POSIX specifies the output format for various utilities in the C locale, > > which defeats my understanding of the purpose of this proposal. So, for > > example, in ls -l: > > I

Bug#877900: How to get 24-hour time on en_US.UTF-8 locale now?

2019-02-07 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 10:21:49PM +0100, Ansgar wrote: (And you get 24-hour time, but very strange Endian in C.UTF-8: WEEKDAY MMM DD HH:MM:SS TZ while en_US.UTF-8 has at least DD MMM ... Having -MM-DD HH:MM:SS[+] instead would be much nicer if we were to create an arbitrary

Bug#877900: How to get 24-hour time on en_US.UTF-8 locale now?

2019-02-07 Thread Ansgar
Michael Stone writes: > On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 09:20:07PM +0100, Ondřej Surý wrote: >>en_DK.UTF-8 is a good default locale? > > I think the suggestion of just "en" made the most sense--specify the > language and an arbitrary set of rules that aren't tied to a specific > country. C.UTF-8 has the

Bug#877900: How to get 24-hour time on en_US.UTF-8 locale now?

2019-02-07 Thread Roman Mamedov
So for those of us (the entire world), who have been relying on this behavior: > * en_US (.UTF-8) is used as the default English locale for all places that > don't have a specific variant (and often even then). Generally, technical > users use English as a system locale How do we roll-back

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2019-02-07 Thread Khaled Hamadi
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Bug#877900: How to get 24-hour time on en_US.UTF-8 locale now?

2019-02-07 Thread Adam Borowski
On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 02:55:33PM +0500, Roman Mamedov wrote: > So for those of us (the entire world), who have been relying on this behavior: > > > * en_US (.UTF-8) is used as the default English locale for all places that > > don't have a specific variant (and often even then). Generally,

Bug#877900: How to get 24-hour time on en_US.UTF-8 locale now?

2019-02-07 Thread Peter Silva
iso_en ? That sounds smart... English for most of the world that aren't necessarily native English speakers? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_English Use ISO dates and stuff, and pick a random spelling. As a Canadian, I'm pretty sure about colour, but unclear about whether we should

Bug#877900: How to get 24-hour time on en_US.UTF-8 locale now?

2019-02-07 Thread Ian Jackson
Peter Silva writes ("Re: Bug#877900: How to get 24-hour time on en_US.UTF-8 locale now?"): > iso_en ? That sounds smart... > > English for most of the world that aren't necessarily native English speakers? > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_English > Use ISO dates and stuff, and pick

Bug#877900: How to get 24-hour time on en_US.UTF-8 locale now?

2019-02-07 Thread Simon McVittie
On Thu, 07 Feb 2019 at 14:05:33 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > a locale for a silly country with weird customs Please don't take this tone. Insulting people who disagree with you[1] is rarely an effective way to persuade them that you're right and they're wrong. > • promoting C.UTF-8 in our user

Bug#874160: systemd _sometimes_ does this

2019-02-07 Thread Adam Borowski
Turns out systemd independently does this, although not in every case. If you have unset locale, it changes it to C.UTF-8 for X (gdm3) but not for console logins. It'd be good to have this consistent both for X vs console, and systemd vs other inits/rc systems. Meow! -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁

Bug#877900: How to get 24-hour time on en_US.UTF-8 locale now?

2019-02-07 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 02:40:06PM +, Simon McVittie wrote: How would this locale differ from C.UTF-8? Is the only difference that C.UTF-8 has strict lexicographical sorting, whereas "en" would have case-insensitive sorting like en_GB.utf8 does? (If that's the only difference, then perhaps

Bug#877900: How to get 24-hour time on en_US.UTF-8 locale now?

2019-02-07 Thread Ansgar
On Thu, 2019-02-07 at 09:59 -0500, Michael Stone wrote: > On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 02:40:06PM +, Simon McVittie wrote: > > How would this locale differ from C.UTF-8? Is the only difference > > that C.UTF-8 has strict lexicographical sorting, whereas "en" would > > have > > case-insensitive