Re: GNOME 3 and panel applets
Le lundi 07 mars 2011 à 02:01 +0100, David Weinehall a écrit : The panel remains, but it will be a GTK3 / D-Bus panel. In its current state, it doesn’t support the good old GTK2 / bonobo applets, of which we have a lot in the archive. Upstream confirmed they don’t have time to support them for 3.0 unless someone steps up to do the job. This is only partially correct though. gnome-panel will remain, but in a heavily modified state -- the intention for the GNOME 3 version of gnome-panel is having it as a fallback in case gnome-shell isn't supported, and thus a lot of features will be gutted or altered to ensure that it behaves as similar as possible to gnome-shell. AIUI, this is mostly a different default configuration. Nothing prevents us from shipping another one. People who have been expressing concern about this have, reasonably enough, been told that gnome-panel 2.32 is probably what they really want. Are there any plans to provide this package? No. -- .''`. : :' : “You would need to ask a lawyer if you don't know `. `' that a handshake of course makes a valid contract.” `--- J???rg Schilling -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-gtk-gnome-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1299485435.3041.125.camel@meh
Re: GNOME 3 and panel applets
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 06:17:36PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: [Bcc: all maintainers of GNOME applets] Hi, as it was already mentioned for other reasons, GNOME 3 is just around the corner, and there are some big changes ahead. DO NOT PANIC: the current desktop with gnome-panel and metacity will remain as an alternative. Anyone wanting to troll about how gnome-shell sucks is invited to do so elsewhere, since the topic here is gnome-panel. The panel remains, but it will be a GTK3 / D-Bus panel. In its current state, it doesn’t support the good old GTK2 / bonobo applets, of which we have a lot in the archive. Upstream confirmed they don’t have time to support them for 3.0 unless someone steps up to do the job. This is only partially correct though. gnome-panel will remain, but in a heavily modified state -- the intention for the GNOME 3 version of gnome-panel is having it as a fallback in case gnome-shell isn't supported, and thus a lot of features will be gutted or altered to ensure that it behaves as similar as possible to gnome-shell. People who have been expressing concern about this have, reasonably enough, been told that gnome-panel 2.32 is probably what they really want. Are there any plans to provide this package? [snip] Regards: David -- /) David Weinehall t...@debian.org /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Diamond-white roses of fire // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Beautiful hoar-frost (/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-gtk-gnome-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110307010110.gh23...@suiko.acc.umu.se
Re: GNOME 3 and panel applets
David Weinehall t...@debian.org writes: This is only partially correct though. gnome-panel will remain, but in a heavily modified state -- the intention for the GNOME 3 version of gnome-panel is having it as a fallback in case gnome-shell isn't supported, and thus a lot of features will be gutted or altered to ensure that it behaves as similar as possible to gnome-shell. People who have been expressing concern about this have, reasonably enough, been told that gnome-panel 2.32 is probably what they really want. Are there any plans to provide this package? Are any of panel apps from gnome alternative gtk-using environments suitable? I periodically try out the panels from things like lxde, but so far they've been noticeably less nice than gnome-panel. If they continue to improve though, maybe a mix of gnome and non-gnome could be a reasonable gtk centric alternative to gnome's increasing wackiness? -miles -- Advice, n. The smallest current coin. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-gtk-gnome-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87vczv67r5@catnip.gol.com
Re: GNOME 3 and panel applets
Josselin Mouette wrote: If you develop, maintain or use one of those packages, and you don’t want it to disappear, your options are now: 1. Prepare to disable gnome-panel support (that’s for packages which already have other options, such as using the notification area). 2. If meaningful (it depends on the applet), switch to another technology such as libappindicator or the notification area. 3. Port your applet to GTK3 and the new D-Bus API. The bindings for Python and C# will probably not work either, so you might have to start with them. Vincent Untz has now updated the libpanel-applet documentation, you can get it from the gnome-panel git tree[1], and it will appear on library.gnome.org once a gnome-panel tarball gets out. He also added a test applet using Python and gobject introspection, http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-panel/commit/?id=5ad4d9 Hope it helps, Frederic [1] online as http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-panel/tree/doc/reference/panel-applet/panel-applet-docs.sgml -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-gtk-gnome-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110224173543.ga4...@0d.be
Re: GNOME 3 and panel applets
Am 15.02.2011 09:59, schrieb Michael Biebl: Am 14.02.2011 18:17, schrieb Josselin Mouette: Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org tracker The search bar applet can be disabled via a configure switch. I still do hope that search (and therefore) tracker is integrated more deeply into the new gnome shell so such a applet would be kinda obsolete anyway. That said, the upstream unstable branch of tracker apparently has a port of tracker-search-bar using libpanelapplet-3.0, which I assume is the new D-Bus based panel in GNOME 3.0. I can't seem to find such a package in Debian just yet. Joss, when do you plan that this will be available in unstable or experimental? Cheers, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: GNOME 3 and panel applets
On 14/02/11 20:46, brian m. carlson wrote: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 06:17:36PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: The panel remains, but it will be a GTK3 / D-Bus panel. In its current state, it doesn’t support the good old GTK2 / bonobo applets, of which we have a lot in the archive. Upstream confirmed they don’t have time to support them for 3.0 unless someone steps up to do the job. Will the existing GNOME 2 gnome-applets be ported to GNOME 3? After all, they are part of GNOME. They're also not listed in your dd-list. They have already been ported upstream. Cheers, Emilio -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-gtk-gnome-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d5a4850.2060...@gmail.com
Re: GNOME 3 and panel applets
On 15/02/11 09:15, Michael Biebl wrote: That said, the upstream unstable branch of tracker apparently has a port of tracker-search-bar using libpanelapplet-3.0, which I assume is the new D-Bus based panel in GNOME 3.0. I can't seem to find such a package in Debian just yet. Joss, when do you plan that this will be available in unstable or experimental? It could go into experimental as soon as somebody packages gnome-panel 2.91.x. Cheers, Emilio -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-gtk-gnome-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d5a4e34.4000...@debian.org
Re: GNOME 3 and panel applets
Il 14/02/2011 18.17, Josselin Mouette ha scritto: Debian GNOME Maintainers pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org tsclient Removed from unstable. Luca Falavigna dktrkr...@debian.org remmina-gnome Will be removed as soon as remmina 0.9.3 hits wheezy. -- .''`. : :' : Luca Falavigna dktrkr...@debian.org `. `' `- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: GNOME 3 and panel applets
Hi, thanks for the heads-up. Am Montag, den 14.02.2011, 18:17 +0100 schrieb Josselin Mouette: 3. Port your applet to GTK3 and the new D-Bus API. The bindings for Python and C# will probably not work either, so you might have to start with them. do you have some pointers to migration guides or similar? Also, for link-monitor-applet, I need to find out whether gob2 needs to be updated. But it seems that GTK-3 still uses GLib-2, so this might work. Thanks, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer nome...@debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: nome...@joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: GNOME 3 and panel applets
Le lundi 14 février 2011 à 23:06 +0530, Joachim Breitner a écrit : Hi, thanks for the heads-up. Am Montag, den 14.02.2011, 18:17 +0100 schrieb Josselin Mouette: 3. Port your applet to GTK3 and the new D-Bus API. The bindings for Python and C# will probably not work either, so you might have to start with them. do you have some pointers to migration guides or similar? There is one for GTK+: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk3/stable/gtk-migrating-2-to-3.html As for libpanel-applet itself, I don’t think there is any, so now may also be the time to write one :) AFAIK the only applets that have been ported are the ones from gnome-applets (apart from invest which is in Python), so you might want to have a look at what lies in their git repository. For example gweather: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-applets/commit/?id=445b1ebba673fbc8d4943829c4607c41613cde5e Also, for link-monitor-applet, I need to find out whether gob2 needs to be updated. But it seems that GTK-3 still uses GLib-2, so this might work. Yes, Glib remains compatible. Cheers, -- .''`. : :' : “You would need to ask a lawyer if you don't know `. `' that a handshake of course makes a valid contract.” `--- J???rg Schilling -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-gtk-gnome-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1297705956.8791.154.camel@meh
Re: GNOME 3 and panel applets
On 14/02/11 17:36, Joachim Breitner wrote: Also, for link-monitor-applet, I need to find out whether gob2 needs to be updated. But it seems that GTK-3 still uses GLib-2, so this might work. There's no GLib 3. Emilio -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-gtk-gnome-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d596bd3.6040...@debian.org
Re: GNOME 3 and panel applets
Thanks for starting this effort! Some comments below: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011, Josselin Mouette wrote: Debian GNOME Maintainers pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org deskbar-applet gnome-mag (U) gnome-main-menu (U) gnome-netstatus (U) gnome-utils hamster-applet (U) mousetweaks (U) netspeed (U) ontv (U) seahorse-plugins (U) tsclient vinagre (U) * tsclient got RMed * deskbar-applet and gnome-main-menu are larger bodies of code, but I don't think they are relevant upstream anymore; probably hard to keep alive; RM? * I believe hamster-applet is still in wide use, albeit I don't use it myself; I would hope it gets adapted * vinagre is probably wide use as well. * Most of the others are probably half-relevant; not sure what's widely used in gnome-utils; maybe gnome-mag is helpful for a11y for some people? hard to tell Loic Minier l...@dooz.org computertemp (U) gnome-mag (U) gnome-netstatus (U) gnome-utils (U) netspeed (U) service-discovery-applet (U) tsclient (U) The ones not listed above are not very important in my eyes and are candidates for RM as well Thanks, -- Loïc Minier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-gtk-gnome-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110214184102.gf3...@bee.dooz.org
Re: GNOME 3 and panel applets
On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:17:36 +0100 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org osó decir: [Bcc: all maintainers of GNOME applets] Hi, ... If no one is interested, a large portion of the following list is going to leave the archive. David Villa Alises david.vi...@uclm.es ows I am also the upstream author of this applet. It has poor maintenance (sorry) but it meets the required functionality in my way. Probably I will develop a new version for gnome3 from scratch (python bindings required), so I do not foresee to adapt or modify it in its current form. Cheers signature.asc Description: PGP signature
