de by side with the 4.x ones for a while, the same way that one
might have non-KDE applications.
That said, I would like to ask some questions about how feasible would be to
tweak at least some of the KDE 3.5 packaging to not clash with official 4.4
packages. Ana mentioned this possibility, an
Am Dienstag 11 Mai 2010 schrieb Mike Bird:
On Mon May 10 2010 15:20:52 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
This list is not for development issues like developing / maintaining
KDE 3.5 packages for Squeeze.
So IMHO any further request for KDE 3.5 in Squeeze is off topic on
this list as Debian
On Sunday 09 May 2010 18.18:05 Mike Bird wrote:
A lot of people care about
not making Debian worse, and are thereafter taking the time and
making the effort to present the case for not deleting KDE 3.5
from Debian.
Excuse me, but while I agree that this discussion is on-topic, it has also
On Sun May 9 2010 23:22:47 Adrian von Bidder wrote:
KDE 3.5 in Debian is dead unless you start working on it. There is nobody
(else) who is ready to do the work.
KDE upstream has run off the rails. There are a lot of people
both here and elsewhere trying to discuss how best to proceed
your needs, use
something else or help make KDE 4 fit your needs.
KDE 3.5 is not dead. It has many active users and a few active
maintainers, such as Trinity.
You are free not to engage in discussions about rescuing KDE 3.5.
Please don't interfere with discussions about rescuing KDE 3.5.
--Mike
On Monday 10 May 2010 12.57:18 Mike Bird wrote:
Please don't interfere with discussions about rescuing KDE 3.5.
So far most of the discussion has been whining about where KDE 4 is
perceived to be worse than KDE 3.5 and whining that somebody should please
do something.
If the discussion starts
On Mon May 10 2010 05:14:57 Adrian von Bidder wrote:
So far most of the discussion has been whining about where KDE 4 is
perceived to be worse than KDE 3.5 and whining that somebody should please
do something.
KDE 4 has far more problems - both conceptually and in
implementation - than KDE 3.5
On 10 May 2010 15:38, Mike Bird mgb-deb...@yosemite.net wrote:
On Mon May 10 2010 05:14:57 Adrian von Bidder wrote:
So far most of the discussion has been whining about where KDE 4 is
perceived to be worse than KDE 3.5 and whining that somebody should please
do something.
KDE 4 has far more
to rescue KDE 3.5.
Oh, have you already been to the Apache folks telling them,
Apache 1.3 was better and they should package it instead of
the very very wrong Apache 2?
Apache 2 is excellent. The situation is not comparable.
Nor are KDE 3.5 users saying that KDE 4 should not be
packaged. The problem
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Mike Bird mgb-deb...@yosemite.net wrote:
On Mon May 10 2010 05:14:57 Adrian von Bidder wrote:
So far most of the discussion has been whining about where KDE 4 is
perceived to be worse than KDE 3.5 and whining that somebody should
please
do something.
KDE
On Mon May 10 2010 05:47:08 Dotan Cohen wrote:
Just let them go, Adrian. When I to to fix KDE 4 for these two, I am
obstructing KDE 3.5 at every opportunity. Let them troll themselves
into obscurity. At least they cannot complain that nobody tried to
help them get the features they need
stop trolling. This thread is about how to rescue KDE 3.5.
Yes, Thread-Master.
Oh, have you already been to the Apache folks telling them,
Apache 1.3 was better and they should package it instead of
the very very wrong Apache 2?
Apache 2 is excellent. The situation is not comparable
On 10 May 2010 16:02, Mike Bird mgb-deb...@yosemite.net wrote:
If you'd like to poll Debian users as to what
needs fixing in KDE 4, please start a new thread.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt, Mike, and I am starting such
a thread. Please contribute to it in a productive manner, as
Hi,
KDE 3.5 is not dead. It has many active users and a few active
maintainers, such as Trinity.
In 2009 KDE was around 4.7 Million lines of code [1] and had about 450
contributors [2]. KDE 3.5 had less lines of code and less developers, but the
numbers are the same order of magnitude. Even
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 05:57:00AM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
Nor are KDE 3.5 users saying that KDE 4 should not be
packaged. The problem is KDE 4 true believers who are
trying to prevent people from using KDE 3.5.
Actually, the problem is that nobody cares enough about KDE 3.5 to
actually do
On Monday 10 May 2010 20:25:25 Marc Haber wrote:
Hi,
snip
How many regressions did apache 2 have when apache 1.3's support was
discontinued, and how many regressions does _current_ KDE 4 have over
KDE 3.5?
From my point of view: None! (ok, to be honest, two or three very minor
glitches
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 12:15:02 -0400, Noah Meyerhans wrote:
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 05:57:00AM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
Nor are KDE 3.5 users saying that KDE 4 should not be
packaged. The problem is KDE 4 true believers who are
trying to prevent people from using KDE 3.5.
Actually
On 6 May 2010 13:10, Marc Haber mh+debian-...@zugschlus.de wrote:
I still hope that 4.4.3 will fix the krunner instabilities that were
introduced in 4.4.
Marc, please mention your issue on this bug:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205369
Thanks.
--
Dotan Cohen
http://bido.com
to this thread please
stop trolling. This thread is about how to rescue KDE 3.5.
Mind you, you are actually trolling on users' mailing list and achieving
exactly nothing. Existing Debian KDE maintainers are clearly not interested in
your efforts as neither is majority of audience on this list
Hi Mike!
Am Montag 10 Mai 2010 schrieb Mike Bird:
On Mon May 10 2010 05:47:08 Dotan Cohen wrote:
Just let them go, Adrian. When I to to fix KDE 4 for these two, I am
obstructing KDE 3.5 at every opportunity. Let them troll themselves
into obscurity. At least they cannot complain
On Mon May 10 2010 14:41:26 Modestas Vainius wrote:
Mind you, you are actually trolling on users' mailing list and achieving
exactly nothing. Existing Debian KDE maintainers are clearly not interested
in your efforts as neither is majority of audience on this list. So please
find another place
On Mon May 10 2010 15:20:52 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
This list is not for development issues like developing / maintaining KDE
3.5 packages for Squeeze.
So IMHO any further request for KDE 3.5 in Squeeze is off topic on this
list as Debian KDE/Qt maintainers repeatedly said they won't
[Mike Bird - Dienstag 11 Mai 2010 00:40:25]
On Mon May 10 2010 15:20:52 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
This list is not for development issues like developing / maintaining KDE
3.5 packages for Squeeze.
So IMHO any further request for KDE 3.5 in Squeeze is off topic on this
list as Debian
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 00:43, Frederik Schwarzer schwarz...@gmail.com wrote:
It is technically impossible to lie if stating an opinion.
If I prefer vanilla and say I prefer chocolate, I lie.
I hope I could light the whole situation up with that :)
Now, to be serious once again:
This whole
Hello,
On antradienis 11 Gegužė 2010 02:17:17 Richard Hartmann wrote:
Now, to be serious once again:
This whole thing is obviously loaded with emotions on both sides.
Having crossed the line of KDE 4 is good enough for general
use just recently, I think I can understand both sides.
how feasible would be to
tweak at least some of the KDE 3.5 packaging to not clash with official 4.4
packages. Ana mentioned this possibility, and I think I can give it a chance.
First, if I understood correctly, Qt3 and kdelibs 3.5 will still be around for
some time. Am I right? I still see them
On 2010-05-09, Alejandro Exojo s...@badopi.org wrote:
First, if I understood correctly, Qt3 and kdelibs 3.5 will still be around
for
some time. Am I right? I still see them on unstable, and I suppose they will
be on the archive unless all remaining KDE 3 packages are removed.
we don't plan
3 applications. Qt 3 and kdelibs (KDE
3) are there to stay for Squeeze.
That said, I would like to ask some questions about how feasible would be
to tweak at least some of the KDE 3.5 packaging to not clash with official
4.4 packages. Ana mentioned this possibility, and I think I can give
personal agony aunt?
This is a Debian list, not a KDE list. A lot of people care about
not making Debian worse, and are thereafter taking the time and
making the effort to present the case for not deleting KDE 3.5
from Debian.
While the KDE devs have gone on to new and sillier pastures, KDE 3.5
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 20:11, Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote:
When I press Alt-F1 I get the Kickoff menu.
Same here. Debian Sid, KDE 4.4.3 from experimental.
Richard
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IHMO, the few people that still want to use KDE 3.5 have three options:
- help the KDE developers to implement the functionality that was in KDE 3.5,
but is still missing from KDE 4
- switch to another desktop like Gnome, XFCE or LXDE that has the features
they are missing from KDE 4
On Thursday 06 May 2010, Richard Hartmann wrote:
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 23:08, Mark Purcell m...@debian.org wrote:
This is free software, nobody is forced to do anything.
Not 100% true. A plain user who wants to keep on using KDE 3
will not be able to do so forever. A year or two are
converting normal office workers from
KDE 3.5 to KDE SC 4? I have. Twice. Utter failure.
I just don't get it. I do not want to go back to KMail from KDE 3.5.10
with all its instabilities regarding index handling, its IMAP related
crashes and whatnot.
Actually right now - okay on my laptop with POP 3
Am Donnerstag 06 Mai 2010 schrieb Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.:
We've had more than two years of being told KDE SC 4 is good
enough.
It is not.
It is good enough for me. But, I can see how the lack of items like
Quanta, Amarok, and K3B (to name a few) cause issues for a great many
Am Donnerstag 06 Mai 2010 schrieb Richard Hartmann:
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 19:54, Mike Bird mgb-deb...@yosemite.net wrote:
Are you aware that KDE PIM developers noticed that the percentage of
KMail users on KDE-PIM's own mailing list has dropped below 50%?
Even KDE developers are fed up
On 6 May 2010 23:12, Mike Bird mgb-deb...@yosemite.net wrote:
On Thu May 6 2010 12:02:05 Dotan Cohen wrote:
Do you customarily read the complete email headers of those whom
with which you correspond?
Email headers are not relevant to most discussions, therefore no.
My point is that many KDE
On 6 May 2010 23:15, Richard Hartmann richih.mailingl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 18:14, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
System Settings - Input and Output
RightClick - New - Global Shortcut - Command
It's called Input Actions.
But yes, this works. Still, the current
On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 01:12:31PM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
My point is that many KDE developers and packagers do not use KDE
like real-world users, and therefore do not appreciate the concerns
of real-world KDE users.
Of course no, they write KDE while they use GNOME /ironic
Real-world users
On Fri May 7 2010 08:25:28 Dotan Cohen wrote:
It is for me, not for you. But you can change that. Just let me know
what is wrong, I'll file the bugs for you.
A generous offer, Dotan, but I doubt that new KDE bug fixes
will make it into Squeeze. My problem is what desktop and
applications will
On 2010-05-06, Mike Bird mgb-deb...@yosemite.net wrote:
My point is that many KDE developers and packagers do not use KDE
like real-world users, and therefore do not appreciate the concerns
of real-world KDE users.
My current open applications on a normal work day:
kontact (running kmail and
On Friday 07 May 2010 01:19:33 Michael Thaler wrote:
IHMO, the few people that still want to use KDE 3.5 have three options:
- help the KDE developers to implement the functionality that was in KDE
3.5, but is still missing from KDE 4
- switch to another desktop like Gnome, XFCE or LXDE
On Thursday 06 May 2010 19:16:29 Curt Howland wrote:
What I do not appreciate is that the attitude has been not we have to
do this, but we're doing it, must suck to be you.
I'm pretty sure I haven't seen any of the Qt/KDE team be quite so asympathetic
and snipish. I may not always agree with
On Friday 07 May 2010 05:29:21 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Debian carries Amarok and K3b in a KDE 4 version - I am using both. And
then there is kdevelop and kdevelop-php.
Amarok 2 is playing music on my Amarok ThinkPad T23 above the hi-fi right
now. And I burned quite some stuff with K3b from
no, they write KDE while they use GNOME /ironic
Real-world users as such do not exist,
No, they just don't exist on mailing lists. Some KDE 3.5 installations are
used by people that probably would have problems getting Debian installed and
would think that Bugzilla was a B movie.
It would be nice
to be offered anything.
You are right, you must type the first three letters in KDE 4.
4. Alt+F1 does not bring up the menu.
It's Alt-F5 for the Kmenu. Has been since KDE 3 I think.
No, it's alt+F1 in KDE 3.5.x. Alt+F5, which I also like and use a lot,
brings up a list of running windows
Am Freitag 07 Mai 2010 schrieb Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.:
On Friday 07 May 2010 05:29:21 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Debian carries Amarok and K3b in a KDE 4 version - I am using both.
And then there is kdevelop and kdevelop-php.
Amarok 2 is playing music on my Amarok ThinkPad T23 above the
Hello!
First, thank you for the great distro that is Debian, one of the best.
I would like to suggest you some way so that the users keep on using
the good old KDE 3.5 when they migrate to the upcoming Lenny.
Maybe use dummy packages, or rename the packages so that KDE 3.5 could
remain
On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 03:17:43AM -0300, Jorge Gonçalves wrote:
Hello!
First, thank you for the great distro that is Debian, one of the best.
I would like to suggest you some way so that the users keep on using
the good old KDE 3.5 when they migrate to the upcoming Lenny.
Maybe use
2010/5/6 Jorge Gonçalves jmg.corr...@gmail.com:
Hello!
First, thank you for the great distro that is Debian, one of the best.
I would like to suggest you some way so that the users keep on using
the good old KDE 3.5 when they migrate to the upcoming Lenny.
Maybe use dummy packages
On Thursday 06 May 2010 1:00:22 am Dotan Cohen wrote:
Furthermore, I file bug reports and feature requests for KDE. If you
let me know what problems you are having with KDE 4.4, I will gladly
file issues. KDE 4.0 and 4.1 were a mess, but KDE 4.2 and 4.3 were
very usable. So far as I know KDE
[Jorge Gonçalves - Donnerstag 06 Mai 2010 08:17:43]
Hi,
I really feel sorry that KDE 3 series is no more being developed, and
when the day cames that I no longer will be able to use KDE 3, I will
switch to Apple or even Windows, but NEVER to kde4 or Gnome!
(and I feel many users out there
Hi,
On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 11:39:04AM +0200, Frederik Schwarzer wrote:
Why is KDE 4 for you no option? Does it not work for you? Or do you just
not like the concepts? The KDE developers are open for suggestions, as
long as these are not give me kicker back or alike.
Konsole 4's Profile
there is a fork of KDE
3.5.x http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/
You could compile the packages yourself. Yes before i get flamed for it
i know its ubuntu but however the code it freely accessible from the kde
trunk so it would not be all that hard to compile it.
Konsole 4's Profile handling is utterly broken. There are multiple
bugs open upstream about this, none of which has been commented on by
the developers. I don't see any interest of upstream in fixing these
issues.
Thanks, Marc. What is Profile handling? If you paste the bug numbers I
will
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On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 03:17:43AM -0300, Jorge Gonçalves wrote:
Maybe use dummy packages, or rename the packages so that KDE 3.5
could remain installed, and not be forced to upgrade to Kde4
On 2010-05-06, Curt Howland howl...@priss.com wrote:
On Thursday 06 May 2010, Ana Guerrero was heard to say:
On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 03:17:43AM -0300, Jorge Gonçalves wrote:
Maybe use dummy packages, or rename the packages so that KDE 3.5
could remain installed, and not be forced to upgrade
No, there is not sane way and there is nobody interested on it.
While the former is certainly true, the latter is demonstrably false.
Agreed, there is huge demand for KDE 3, even still. I think that Ana
meant that there are no devs interested in it.
KDE3 was excellent. I do not like KDE4.
* On 2010 06 May 01:35 -0500, Jorge Gonçalves wrote:
Hello!
First, thank you for the great distro that is Debian, one of the best.
I would like to suggest you some way so that the users keep on using
the good old KDE 3.5 when they migrate to the upcoming Lenny.
Others have probably
I still have both operating. My KDE3.5 was locally compiled but I still have
to do some footwork in /etc/profiles and the startkde scripts to set paths
appropriately. But both work no sweat.
So the backports are an option and since Ubuntu stores its KDE libraries
differently than pure Debian,
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On Thursday 06 May 2010, Sune Vuorela was heard to say:
On 2010-05-06, Curt Howland howl...@priss.com wrote:
On Thursday 06 May 2010, Ana Guerrero was heard to say:
No, there is not sane way and there is nobody interested on it.
While the
Maybe use dummy packages, or rename the packages so that KDE 3.5 could
remain installed, and not be forced to upgrade to Kde4.
That ship has sailed and it isn't coming back. KDE 3.5 is considered
dead. Why some motivated person has not forked it yet has escaped me.
Not exactly forked
However, while I agree KDE4 has taken a newer direction and is slower, one can
configure it to work more like the old favorite. Your desktop and be the
desktop folder containment and then work from there.
KDE 4.4 is lighter than KDE 3.5 was, even with desktop effects
enabled. The only time
* On 2010 06 May 08:03 -0500, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Maybe use dummy packages, or rename the packages so that KDE 3.5 could
remain installed, and not be forced to upgrade to Kde4.
That ship has sailed and it isn't coming back. ??KDE 3.5 is considered
dead. ??Why some motivated person has
it ?
At that game, there are two types of players: those who rant and contribute
to fix the root of their rant (aka code) and those who rant and do nothing.
We are all volunteers and among those volunteers, nobody is interested in
maintaining KDE 3.5 within Debian. I don't see this as a problem
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On Thursday 06 May 2010, Dotan Cohen was heard to say:
Agreed, there is huge demand for KDE 3, even still. I think that
Ana meant that there are no devs interested in it.
That does indeed appear to be the case, which is one reason I stopped
of their rant (aka code) and those who
rant and do nothing.
Going back to obsequious pandering is looking very tempting. Yes, us
mere users have nothing to contribute, since we don't write code.
We are all volunteers and among those volunteers, nobody is
interested in maintaining KDE 3.5 within Debian
see the amount of diskspace used.
No right click on the desktop to bring up the menu.
Works for me. Just right click on the desktop to configure it, go to the
Mouse Actions tab and set it to open the K-Menu on right-click.
Other things that just don't seem inuitive *for me* that were in KDE
El Jueves, 6 de Mayo de 2010, Curt Howland escribió:
Thank you, I appreciate that. Really, I do. Unfortunately, my problems
with KDE4 are not bugs, they're systematic. I liked having my
removable devices show up as desktop icons, for instance, and that
feature is just plain gone.
I miss the
Am Donnerstag 06 Mai 2010 schrieb Sune Vuorela:
On 2010-05-06, Curt Howland howl...@priss.com wrote:
On Thursday 06 May 2010, Ana Guerrero was heard to say:
On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 03:17:43AM -0300, Jorge Gonçalves wrote:
Maybe use dummy packages, or rename the packages so that KDE 3.5
El Jueves 06 Mayo 2010 10:22:09 Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us escribió:
I'm tired of typing this time and again:
No speaker beep in Konsole--dev says, Too bad.
Konsole - settings - notifications - bell in current session - run beep
(aptitude install beep)
Is this what you want?
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Am Donnerstag 06 Mai 2010 schrieb Dotan Cohen:
However, while I agree KDE4 has taken a newer direction and is
slower, one can configure it to work more like the old favorite.
Your desktop and be the desktop folder containment and then work
from there.
KDE 4.4 is lighter than KDE 3.5
=236586
No right click on the desktop to bring up the menu.
There is now! If it does not work for you as expected in KDE 4,4 then
please be very specific about what happened, and what you expected to
happen. Thanks.
Other things that just don't seem inuitive *for me* that were in KDE
3.5
If you could elaborate on that, I might be able to get some things
fixed. Do you simply not like or are you having problems?
Thank you, I appreciate that. Really, I do. Unfortunately, my problems
with KDE4 are not bugs, they're systematic.
That's fine, that's exactly what I'm interested in.
On 2010-05-06, Alejandro Exojo s...@badopi.org wrote:
El Jueves, 6 de Mayo de 2010, Curt Howland escribió:
Thank you, I appreciate that. Really, I do. Unfortunately, my problems
with KDE4 are not bugs, they're systematic. I liked having my
removable devices show up as desktop icons, for
Do you know when 4.5 will be out and stable? The guys from kde seem to drop
really stable in their x.5 branches :-)
August, I think.
I am also not planning moving to kde4 unless I'm sure it's working for me. I
have a lot of custom software and I'm not sure it's working. I'll have to
test
I miss the media:/ kioslave. Does somebody know if it was gone because nobody
ported it, or by design?
The bluetooth kioslave has a patch, but nobody has reviewed it:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193241
The Device Notifier plasmoid and Places menu take care of all other media.
I'm
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 13:12, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
The eye-candy in KDE 4 was just a consequence of using Qt4.
And of making Plasma core technology. Going so far that for several
minor releases, there was no sane way to display files on your
desktop. Granted, I don't use that
KDE 4.4 is lighter than KDE 3.5 was, even with desktop effects
enabled. The only time you will see it appear that KDE 4 is heavy is
if you are loading the Qt3 libraries in addition to the Qt4 libraries,
for instance by using KDE3 applications. I understand that some people
still need Quanta
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 14:59, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
Please, let me know what KDE 4 is missing for you. KDE 4.4 has only a
handful of regressions from KDE 3.5.10, and they are not dealbreakers.
Some of those are addressed in KDE 4.5.
Not missing as such, but there is one
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 15:22, Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote:
Other things that just don't seem inuitive *for me* that were in KDE
3.5.
I dare anyone to create a new application hotkey without using google ;)
Why this feature can not be accessed from System Settings directly
is beyond me
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 17:28, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm having the feeling that many users which are unhappy with KDE 4.X are
just
a feature or two away of accepting it.
That sounds like a good assessment.
Agreed.
Richard
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On a Phenom X2 with 4 GiB RAM and a pretty new GFX card whose name
I don't remember, I get random hangs while doing nothing more than light
surfing with some minimal background activity.
What browser? Is it only on specific sites? Flash? Heavy Javascript or
even Java? What does top show?
Can
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 17:33, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, I personally have not. However, this was actually the design
goal of Qt4 and many users have tested and reported lower memory usage
in KDE 4 compared to KDE 3. I don't know about CPU, though.
For KDE 2 - 3, this
I dare anyone to create a new application hotkey without using google ;)
Why this feature can not be accessed from System Settings directly
is beyond me. And I mean _creating_, not editing existing ones.
My system is in Hebrew, so this is translated:
System Settings - Keyboard and Mouse -
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 18:08, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
What browser?
Konqui. Is there any other browser on earth? ;)
And yes, this is true for both KHTML Webkit.
Is it only on specific sites?
While some sites seem to trigger it more often, this happens with all
sites.
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 18:14, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
It works!
I will give this way a try at home. Promise :)
Richard
PS: If I forget, please nag.
PPS: Thanks for caring about these issues so much.
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On 6 May 2010 19:09, Richard Hartmann richih.mailingl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 17:33, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, I personally have not. However, this was actually the design
goal of Qt4 and many users have tested and reported lower memory usage
in KDE
What browser?
Konqui. Is there any other browser on earth? ;)
And yes, this is true for both KHTML Webkit.
Can you try with rekonq or even Firefox? Firefox is a real memory pig.
What does top show?
Nothing I could see as the system is locked up during that time.
Try running top
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 18:18, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe you were / are still using Qt3 applications? There is nothing
wrong with that, but it will be memory-heavy.
No; definitely not.
So we agree: the more software on the system, the faster it runs! I'm
installing Gimp
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 18:22, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
Can you try with rekonq or even Firefox? Firefox is a real memory pig.
Iceweasel does not have these issues, but then I almost never use it
so the test pool is a _lot_ smaller.
Never tried rekonq, I can do so tonight.
Try
On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 07:41:23AM -0400, Curt Howland wrote:
On Thursday 06 May 2010, Ana Guerrero was heard to say:
On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 03:17:43AM -0300, Jorge Gonçalves wrote:
Maybe use dummy packages, or rename the packages so that KDE 3.5
could remain installed, and not be forced
On Wed May 5 2010 23:17:43 Jorge Gonçalves wrote:
I would like to suggest you some way so that the users keep on using
the good old KDE 3.5 when they migrate to the upcoming Lenny.
Debian KDE team,
My users and I thank you from the bottom of our hearts for
maintaining KDE 3.5 in Lenny.
My
:
Maybe use dummy packages, or rename the packages so that KDE 3.5
could remain installed, and not be forced to upgrade to Kde4.
No, there is not sane way and there is nobody interested on it.
While the former is certainly true, the latter is demonstrably false.
Where
On 2010-05-06, Mike Bird mgb-deb...@yosemite.net wrote:
My users and I pray that you keep KDE 3.5 (or Trinity) in Squeeze.
Won't happen. sorry. I guess you will have as much success with this as
you did for fedora ...
I won't be blocking anyone trying to work on 3.5, but I do not plan to
spend
Even with perfect packaging KDE SC 4 is slow and unreliable,
Slow? Can you elaborate? I can help with that.
Unreliable? In what way?
gimmick-rich but feature-poor.
What feature is missing for you? I can help with that.
KDE SC 4 probably has no future and
certainly has no place in Debian
packages, or rename the packages so that KDE
3.5 could remain installed, and not be forced to upgrade to
Kde4.
No, there is not sane way and there is nobody interested on it.
While the former is certainly true, the latter is demonstrably
false.
False?
Yes, false
:
Maybe use dummy packages, or rename the packages so that KDE
3.5 could remain installed, and not be forced to upgrade to
Kde4.
No, there is not sane way and there is nobody interested on it.
While the former is certainly true, the latter is demonstrably
false
On Thursday 06 May 2010 19:13:46 Mike Bird wrote:
On Wed May 5 2010 23:17:43 Jorge Gonçalves wrote:
I would like to suggest you some way so that the users keep on using
the good old KDE 3.5 when they migrate to the upcoming Lenny.
Debian KDE team,
My users and I thank you from
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On Thursday 06 May 2010, Ana Guerrero was heard to say:
You have demostrated nothing here =)
Very well.
Curt-
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On 6 May 2010 14:06, deloptes delop...@yahoo.com wrote:
Dotan Cohen wrote:
Yes, KDE 4 seems to be much better for the average Joe. But that is
the reason that power users suffer at the moment! A.Joe already has
Gnome...
Exactly! OK, I'll look forward to test this weekend.
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