Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-25 Thread Luc Castermans
i have two PC's on this level and have not seen strange behaviour as of today.

Luc

Diederik de Haas  schreef op 25 mei 2023 09:43:03 UTC:
>On Friday, 19 May 2023 13:11:01 CEST Luc Castermans wrote:
>> I just upgraded the machine which was messed up earlier, fixed later, using:
>> 
>> aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.27\.2'
>> aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.103\.0'
>
>I hadn't upgraded to those packages, but earlier today I did reboot my laptop 
>and when I logged in, my desktop was completely blank and no longer had the 
>icons and plasma widgets I had on them.
>
>After doing `aptitude safe-upgrade '~i~V5\.27\.2' -t experimental` and another 
>reboot (maybe a logout/login would be sufficient; we'll never know), I had my 
>normal desktop back. 
>
>I haven't yet tried upgrade Frameworks, but the Plasma package update 
>definitely fixed an issue on my laptop.
>
>Cheers,
>  Diederik

Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-25 Thread Diederik de Haas
On Friday, 19 May 2023 13:11:01 CEST Luc Castermans wrote:
> I just upgraded the machine which was messed up earlier, fixed later, using:
> 
> aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.27\.2'
> aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.103\.0'

I hadn't upgraded to those packages, but earlier today I did reboot my laptop 
and when I logged in, my desktop was completely blank and no longer had the 
icons and plasma widgets I had on them.

After doing `aptitude safe-upgrade '~i~V5\.27\.2' -t experimental` and another 
reboot (maybe a logout/login would be sufficient; we'll never know), I had my 
normal desktop back. 

I haven't yet tried upgrade Frameworks, but the Plasma package update 
definitely fixed an issue on my laptop.

Cheers,
  Diederik

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Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-20 Thread Aurélien COUDERC



Le 20 mai 2023 09:11:56 GMT+02:00, Luc Castermans  a 
écrit :
>indeed. The command should have contained 104 instead of 103

Nope, Martin corrected me on that, the expression selects the packages that you 
*want* to upgrade so 5.103.0 / 5.27.2 are correct.

Best,
--
Aurélien



Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-20 Thread Luc Castermans
indeed. The command should have contained 104 instead of 103

Luc

Martin Steigerwald  schreef op 19 mei 2023 13:52:24 UTC:
>Hi,
>
>Aurélien COUDERC - 19.05.23, 14:41:44 CEST:
>> Le 19 mai 2023 13:11:01 GMT+02:00, Luc Castermans 
> a écrit :
>> >Dear
>> >
>> >I just upgraded the machine which was messed up earlier, fixed later,
>> >using:
>> >
>> >aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.27\.2'
>> >aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.103\.0'
>>
>> You probably meant 104 for the second command otherwise I don't see
>> the point.
>
>The version you specify is the version you like to upgrade to 
>experimental. So 103 is about right.
>
>I will postpone upgrading to 5.104 a bit longer. So far all is fine and 
>Plasma 5.27.5 works nicely.
>
>Thanks,
>-- 
>Martin
>
>


Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-19 Thread Aurélien COUDERC



Le 19 mai 2023 15:52:24 GMT+02:00, Martin Steigerwald  a 
écrit :
>Hi,
>
>Aurélien COUDERC - 19.05.23, 14:41:44 CEST:
>> Le 19 mai 2023 13:11:01 GMT+02:00, Luc Castermans 
> a écrit :
>> >Dear
>> >
>> >I just upgraded the machine which was messed up earlier, fixed later,
>> >using:
>> >
>> >aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.27\.2'
>> >aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.103\.0'
>>
>> You probably meant 104 for the second command otherwise I don't see
>> the point.
>
>The version you specify is the version you like to upgrade to 
>experimental. So 103 is about right.
>
>I will postpone upgrading to 5.104 a bit longer. So far all is fine and 
>Plasma 5.27.5 works nicely.

Indeed, thanks.



Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-19 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hi,

Aurélien COUDERC - 19.05.23, 14:41:44 CEST:
> Le 19 mai 2023 13:11:01 GMT+02:00, Luc Castermans 
 a écrit :
> >Dear
> >
> >I just upgraded the machine which was messed up earlier, fixed later,
> >using:
> >
> >aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.27\.2'
> >aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.103\.0'
>
> You probably meant 104 for the second command otherwise I don't see
> the point.

The version you specify is the version you like to upgrade to 
experimental. So 103 is about right.

I will postpone upgrading to 5.104 a bit longer. So far all is fine and 
Plasma 5.27.5 works nicely.

Thanks,
-- 
Martin




Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-19 Thread tv.debian

19/05/2023 09:44, Luc Castermans wrote:

I installed  Frameworks 104.  All looks great!

Operating System: Debian GNU/Linux 12
KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.5
KDE Frameworks Version: 5.104.0



I upgraded a Sid system to both plasma and Framework, if you have 
development packages installed Framework requires manual intervention in 
aptitude to upgrade successfully, at least for me.


I am using Wayland only, and so far I saw a difference in how High DPI 
(2K screen) is handled for Mozilla applications (Firefox and 
Thunderbird, both from Debian repo). Both had their UI mangled, being 
way too big and not following the rest of the system for fonts and 
scaling. Also saw rapid flickering in drop-down menus in non-plasma 
applications. I fixed Mozilla apps, but still got occasional flickering 
breaking the use of drop-down menus.


Downgrading Plasma and Framework doesn't restore Mozilla (and possibly 
other GTK) apps UI. I ended up restoring from backup to Sid.


So not all smooth, probably due to Framework and not PLasma. I will try 
Plasma only this W-E.




Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-19 Thread Aurélien COUDERC
You probably meant 104 for the second command otherwise I don't see the point.



Le 19 mai 2023 13:11:01 GMT+02:00, Luc Castermans  a 
écrit :
>Dear
>
>I just upgraded the machine which was messed up earlier, fixed later, using:
>
>aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.27\.2'
>aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.103\.0'
>
>Now it is running
>
>Operating System: Debian GNU/Linux 12
>KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.5
>KDE Frameworks Version: 5.104.0
>Qt Version: 5.15.8
>Kernel Version: 6.1.0-9-amd64 (64-bit)
>Graphics Platform: X11
>Processors: 12 × AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6-Core Processor
>Memory: 31.3 GiB of RAM
>Graphics Processor: NVIDIA GeForce GT 1030/PCIe/SSE2
>Manufacturer: BIOSTAR Group
>Product Name: A320MH
>
>Thank you very much team!!
>
>Luc
>
>
>Op 19-05-2023 om 10:09 schreef Aurélien COUDERC:
>> 
>> Le 19 mai 2023 09:00:37 GMT+02:00, Martin Steigerwald  
>> a écrit :
>>> Hi Luc.
>>> 
>>> Luc Castermans - 16.05.23, 07:11:33 CEST:
 On top and for the record.
 
 I installed all of KDE, plasma 5.25.5 etc. from Experimental
 yesterday. The upgrade went smooth, all worked well.
>>> Installing as well.
>>> 
>>> I don't know whether it helps if some users "vote" for its stability?
>>> But I am willing to do so if after a few days of test there is no
>>> regression compared to the current state.
>> Yes, useful for us there so we get some feedback that we're not talking 
>> nonsense when saying the new version is an improvement. 
>> 
>> But please don't contact the release team directly nor comment on the 
>> unblock bug report about bit, it would only add noise and make our case more 
>> difficult.
>> 
>> Also if people here could find the time to try and mix some .2 and .5 
>> packages and report back, that would be useful to confirm it doesn't break 
>> more than it fixes.
>> In particular mixing core components like kwin, libkscreen, plasmas 
>> workspace/desktop would be interesting tests.
>> 
>> We may get a signoff for some but not all packages.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks all for your tests, feedback and support !
>> 
>> --
>> Aurélien
>> 
>-- 
>m.vr.gr.
>
>Luc Castermans
>mailto:luc.casterm...@gmail.com


Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-19 Thread Luc Castermans

Dear

I just upgraded the machine which was messed up earlier, fixed later, using:

aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.27\.2'
aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.103\.0'

Now it is running

Operating System: Debian GNU/Linux 12
KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.5
KDE Frameworks Version: 5.104.0
Qt Version: 5.15.8
Kernel Version: 6.1.0-9-amd64 (64-bit)
Graphics Platform: X11
Processors: 12 × AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6-Core Processor
Memory: 31.3 GiB of RAM
Graphics Processor: NVIDIA GeForce GT 1030/PCIe/SSE2
Manufacturer: BIOSTAR Group
Product Name: A320MH

Thank you very much team!!

Luc


Op 19-05-2023 om 10:09 schreef Aurélien COUDERC:


Le 19 mai 2023 09:00:37 GMT+02:00, Martin Steigerwald  a 
écrit :

Hi Luc.

Luc Castermans - 16.05.23, 07:11:33 CEST:

On top and for the record.

I installed all of KDE, plasma 5.25.5 etc. from Experimental
yesterday. The upgrade went smooth, all worked well.

Installing as well.

I don't know whether it helps if some users "vote" for its stability?
But I am willing to do so if after a few days of test there is no
regression compared to the current state.

Yes, useful for us there so we get some feedback that we're not talking 
nonsense when saying the new version is an improvement. 

But please don't contact the release team directly nor comment on the unblock 
bug report about bit, it would only add noise and make our case more difficult.

Also if people here could find the time to try and mix some .2 and .5 packages 
and report back, that would be useful to confirm it doesn't break more than it 
fixes.
In particular mixing core components like kwin, libkscreen, plasmas 
workspace/desktop would be interesting tests.

We may get a signoff for some but not all packages.


Thanks all for your tests, feedback and support !

--
Aurélien


--
m.vr.gr.

Luc Castermans
mailto:luc.casterm...@gmail.com


Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-19 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Sedat Dilek - 19.05.23, 11:24:18 CEST:
> In my email-client:
> Reply: Martin Steigerwald
> Reply-all: Martin Steigerwald + ML <--- My default (dropping you each
> time is extra-time for me as well)

Well it is easy: I provided support. I did not ask for support. In case 
I decide to limit my time in providing support I will first drop 
answering to mails that are in copy to me. I.e. your mails. It is simple 
as that, cause I decide how I spend my time. And I may limit it, 
especially in case I feel a lack of respect for the time I use to help 
others along.

There can be reasons for CC to make someone aware of a mail one may 
otherwise miss. I don't need that. Especially I don't need that for a 
low volume mailing list like this. For each CC'd mail I receive two 
copies of the mail with mailing lists for the Debian community – mailing 
lists for the KDE community are set up differently. In case I reply to 
the wrong one, I break the thread. And it just happened with that thread 
already. I simply do not like to deal with this kind of hassle by 
default.

Also please look at this Code of Conduct for Debian mailing lists:

"When replying to messages on the mailing list, do not send a carbon 
copy (CC) to the original poster unless they explicitly request to be 
copied."

https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct

Now you either respect my wish, or you don't. And I decide what I do 
with that.

Best,
-- 
Martin




Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-19 Thread Diederik de Haas
On Friday, 19 May 2023 09:19:31 CEST Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> % aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.27\.2'

You can use 'safe-upgrade' instead of 'install'

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Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-19 Thread Sedat Dilek
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 10:30 AM Aurélien COUDERC  wrote:
>
>
>
> Le 19 mai 2023 09:39:52 GMT+02:00, Martin Steigerwald  a 
> écrit :
> >No need to copy me directly. Actually I prefer that you do not. Creates
> >extra work for me.
> >
> >Sedat Dilek - 19.05.23, 09:28:46 CEST:
> >> Did you install and test KDE/Frameworks version 5.104?
> >
> >No.
> >
> >I am not aware of any plans to get KDE Frameworks 5.104 or later into
> >Bookworm.
>
> No we have no plans for that.
>
> The ratio of important bug fixed vs. total number of packages to upgrade 
> isn't worth it.
>
> If you identify specific bugs that affect you we may try and back port 
> individual fixes.
>

Thanks for the information I just upgraded to KP/5.27.5 (only - NOT
KF/5.104) successfully.

-Sedat-



Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-19 Thread Sedat Dilek
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:40 AM Martin Steigerwald  wrote:
>
> No need to copy me directly. Actually I prefer that you do not. Creates
> extra work for me.
>

In my email-client:
Reply: Martin Steigerwald
Reply-all: Martin Steigerwald + ML <--- My default (dropping you each
time is extra-time for me as well)

-Sedat-



Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-19 Thread Sedat Dilek
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:19 AM Martin Steigerwald  wrote:
...
> Plasma 5.27.5 installed here.
>
> % aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.27\.2'
>
> % dpkg -l | grep "5\.27\.2"
> [… no output …]
>
> I bet there is a variant for this for "apt" as well, but I never looked
> it up.
>

Just for the records:

That aptitude command marked all my packages to be (auto)removed with
status "ri" (was "ii").
(For me, aptitude is and will not be the 1st choice of upgrade-tool.)

The Good is all my packages are of versions which are really
downloadable from any Debian repositories.
So, a nice but unwanted cleanup.

-Sedat-



Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-19 Thread Diederik de Haas
On Friday, 19 May 2023 10:09:56 CEST Aurélien COUDERC wrote:
> Also if people here could find the time to try and mix some .2 and .5
> packages and report back, that would be useful to confirm it doesn't break
> more than it fixes. In particular mixing core components like kwin,
> libkscreen, plasmas workspace/desktop would be interesting tests.

If you have an exact list of packages + versions, I can test those exact 
combinations (which seems more useful then a random mix).

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Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-19 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Dear Aurélien

Aurélien COUDERC - 19.05.23, 10:09:56 CEST:
> But please don't contact the release team directly nor comment on the
> unblock bug report about bit, it would only add noise and make our
> case more difficult.

Thanks for your clarification. I thought so as well as an aftermath of my 
mail and recommended not to send anything to the unblock bug report in 
another mail.

Also thanks for your confirmation regarding KF.

Best,
-- 
Martin




Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-19 Thread Luc Castermans
yep. i was lucky indeed. Only i had to repair a SSL package. LibreOffice got 
upgraded but i was okay with that


Luc

Martin Steigerwald  schreef op 19 mei 2023 07:45:13 UTC:
>Luc Castermans - 19.05.23, 09:38:23 CEST:
>> On one machine I performed a
>> 
>> apt upgrade -t experimental
>
>Without limiting the set of packages to upgrade? If so, you likely have 
>installed all packages from experimental, possibly including some that 
>are really experimental. One may argue whether experimental is the right 
>place for bug fix updates during the release cycle, but it is used that 
>way. However outside of release cycle it is used for test versions of 
>software. So you may have installed all kinds of funny and really 
>unstable stuff on your system.
>
>Don't do that!
>
>I'd never ever do that. I posted the exact aptitude call for a reason.
>
>However maybe I am going to refrain from posting the exact commands 
>again, so that people need to figure it out themselves and learn about 
>the possible consequences.
>
>Anyway, you get you keep the pieces if anything breaks.
>
>> After which I needed to make few corrections on non-KDE related
>> packages. The machine is running fine!!
>
>As far as you can see after just a few minutes.
>
>Best,
>-- 
>Martin
>
>


Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-19 Thread Aurélien COUDERC



Le 19 mai 2023 09:39:52 GMT+02:00, Martin Steigerwald  a 
écrit :
>No need to copy me directly. Actually I prefer that you do not. Creates 
>extra work for me.
>
>Sedat Dilek - 19.05.23, 09:28:46 CEST:
>> Did you install and test KDE/Frameworks version 5.104?
>
>No.
>
>I am not aware of any plans to get KDE Frameworks 5.104 or later into 
>Bookworm. 

No we have no plans for that.

The ratio of important bug fixed vs. total number of packages to upgrade isn't 
worth it.

If you identify specific bugs that affect you we may try and back port 
individual fixes.


Happy hacking,
--
Aurélien



Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-19 Thread Aurélien COUDERC



Le 19 mai 2023 09:00:37 GMT+02:00, Martin Steigerwald  a 
écrit :
>Hi Luc.
>
>Luc Castermans - 16.05.23, 07:11:33 CEST:
>> On top and for the record.
>> 
>> I installed all of KDE, plasma 5.25.5 etc. from Experimental
>> yesterday. The upgrade went smooth, all worked well.
>
>Installing as well.
>
>I don't know whether it helps if some users "vote" for its stability? 
>But I am willing to do so if after a few days of test there is no 
>regression compared to the current state.

Yes, useful for us there so we get some feedback that we're not talking 
nonsense when saying the new version is an improvement. 

But please don't contact the release team directly nor comment on the unblock 
bug report about bit, it would only add noise and make our case more difficult.

Also if people here could find the time to try and mix some .2 and .5 packages 
and report back, that would be useful to confirm it doesn't break more than it 
fixes.
In particular mixing core components like kwin, libkscreen, plasmas 
workspace/desktop would be interesting tests.

We may get a signoff for some but not all packages.


Thanks all for your tests, feedback and support !

--
Aurélien



Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-19 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Luc Castermans - 19.05.23, 09:38:23 CEST:
> On one machine I performed a
> 
> apt upgrade -t experimental

Without limiting the set of packages to upgrade? If so, you likely have 
installed all packages from experimental, possibly including some that 
are really experimental. One may argue whether experimental is the right 
place for bug fix updates during the release cycle, but it is used that 
way. However outside of release cycle it is used for test versions of 
software. So you may have installed all kinds of funny and really 
unstable stuff on your system.

Don't do that!

I'd never ever do that. I posted the exact aptitude call for a reason.

However maybe I am going to refrain from posting the exact commands 
again, so that people need to figure it out themselves and learn about 
the possible consequences.

Anyway, you get you keep the pieces if anything breaks.

> After which I needed to make few corrections on non-KDE related
> packages. The machine is running fine!!

As far as you can see after just a few minutes.

Best,
-- 
Martin




Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-19 Thread Luc Castermans
I installed  Frameworks 104.  All looks great!

Operating System: Debian GNU/Linux 12
KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.5
KDE Frameworks Version: 5.104.0
Qt Version: 5.15.8
Kernel Version: 6.3.0-0-amd64 (64-bit)
Graphics Platform: X11
Processors: 4 × Intel® Core™ i5-4200U CPU @ 1.60GHz
Memory: 7.2 GiB of RAM
Graphics Processor: Mesa Intel® HD Graphics 4400
Manufacturer: Hewlett-Packard
Product Name: HP ProBook 430 G1
System Version: A3009CD20303

Op vr 19 mei 2023 om 09:40 schreef Martin Steigerwald :

> No need to copy me directly. Actually I prefer that you do not. Creates
> extra work for me.
>
> Sedat Dilek - 19.05.23, 09:28:46 CEST:
> > Did you install and test KDE/Frameworks version 5.104?
>
> No.
>
> I am not aware of any plans to get KDE Frameworks 5.104 or later into
> Bookworm. AFAIK Frameworks consists of a lot more packages than Plasma.
> I don't see how KDE Frameworks 5.104 or later can still enter Bookworm
> before the release.
>
> So I'd rather test with 5.103 for now. If that works well I intend to
> give a feedback there. Then I may still decide to upgrade KF to 5.104.
>
> I wonder whether it might be a good idea to allow for an update during
> the stable cycle.
>
> Ciao,
> --
> Martin
>
>
>

-- 
Luc Castermans
mailto:luc.casterm...@gmail.com


Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-19 Thread Martin Steigerwald
No need to copy me directly. Actually I prefer that you do not. Creates 
extra work for me.

Sedat Dilek - 19.05.23, 09:28:46 CEST:
> Did you install and test KDE/Frameworks version 5.104?

No.

I am not aware of any plans to get KDE Frameworks 5.104 or later into 
Bookworm. AFAIK Frameworks consists of a lot more packages than Plasma. 
I don't see how KDE Frameworks 5.104 or later can still enter Bookworm 
before the release.

So I'd rather test with 5.103 for now. If that works well I intend to 
give a feedback there. Then I may still decide to upgrade KF to 5.104.

I wonder whether it might be a good idea to allow for an update during 
the stable cycle.

Ciao,
-- 
Martin




Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-19 Thread Luc Castermans

Hi

On one machine I performed a

apt upgrade -t experimental

After which I needed to make few corrections on non-KDE related 
packages. The machine is running fine!!


On the other machine the upgrade did not succeed due to failing 
dependencies. It went back to stable.



Regards,

Luc



Op 19-05-2023 om 09:15 schreef Sedat Dilek:

On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:01 AM Martin Steigerwald  wrote:

Hi Luc.

Luc Castermans - 16.05.23, 07:11:33 CEST:

On top and for the record.

I installed all of KDE, plasma 5.25.5 etc. from Experimental
yesterday. The upgrade went smooth, all worked well.

Installing as well.


Hi Martin, Hi Luc,

Can you share how you upgraded to KDE/Plasma version 5.25.5?

Thanks.

Best regards,
-Sedat-


I don't know whether it helps if some users "vote" for its stability?
But I am willing to do so if after a few days of test there is no
regression compared to the current state.

Ciao,
--
Martin



--
m.vr.gr.

Luc Castermans
mailto:luc.casterm...@gmail.com



Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-19 Thread Sedat Dilek
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:19 AM Martin Steigerwald  wrote:
...
> Plasma 5.27.5 installed here.
>
> % aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.27\.2'
>
> % dpkg -l | grep "5\.27\.2"
> [… no output …]
>

Hi Martin,

I can confirm...

Installed 102 packages - upgradable packages available 102 - looks
good on a simulated upgrade.

Did you install and test KDE/Frameworks version 5.104?

Here 275 packages installed - on a simulated upgrade the same amount
of packages.

Thanks.

Best regards,
-Sedat-



Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-19 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Martin Steigerwald - 19.05.23, 09:19:31 CEST:
> I recommend against posting to the bug report, the Qt/KDE team is
> doing a marvelous job at arguing in favor of having at least the
> packages with changes or at least with non-cosmetic changes from
> 5.27.5 in Bookworm. Please let them do their job. […]

Or in favor of having all of Plasma 5.27.5 in a point release for 
Bookworm. For me both approaches would work well. The point is to get 
those bug fixes into stable.

For my machines it does not matter, I am following unstable anyway. 
However for some machines I administrate for others it makes a 
difference.

Ciao,
-- 
Martin




Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-19 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hi,

Martin Steigerwald - 19.05.23, 09:00:37 CEST:
> Luc Castermans - 16.05.23, 07:11:33 CEST:
> > On top and for the record.
> > 
> > I installed all of KDE, plasma 5.25.5 etc. from Experimental
> > yesterday. The upgrade went smooth, all worked well.
> 
> Installing as well.
> 
> I don't know whether it helps if some users "vote" for its stability?
> But I am willing to do so if after a few days of test there is no
> regression compared to the current state.

Please keep in mind that the release team raised valid concerns. And on 
any account it is important to treat them with respect. They are doing a 
challenging job on a challenging time frame. You know Debian Stable is 
called stable for a reason! To ensure that it requires excellent 
cooperation between the package developers and the release time. Please 
respect that.

I recommend against posting to the bug report, the Qt/KDE team is doing 
a marvelous job at arguing in favor of having at least the packages with 
changes or at least with non-cosmetic changes from 5.27.5 in Bookworm. 
Please let them do their job. In case you installed 5.27.5 from 
experimental, tested it and like to vote on its stability, please do so 
here. And for not on the bug report. Someone from the Qt/KDE team can 
point to the thread with the votes if need be.

Plasma 5.27.5 installed here.

% aptitude install -t experimental '~i ~V5\.27\.2'

% dpkg -l | grep "5\.27\.2"
[… no output …]

I bet there is a variant for this for "apt" as well, but I never looked 
it up.

Please only do so if you are willing to help testing and are careful 
about reading apt/aptitude output and about aborting the process in case 
it likes to remove packages you'd rather want to keep. Here I had no 
issues with upgrading, but that does not mean that it works on your 
system as well.

Best,
-- 
Martin




Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-19 Thread Sedat Dilek
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:01 AM Martin Steigerwald  wrote:
>
> Hi Luc.
>
> Luc Castermans - 16.05.23, 07:11:33 CEST:
> > On top and for the record.
> >
> > I installed all of KDE, plasma 5.25.5 etc. from Experimental
> > yesterday. The upgrade went smooth, all worked well.
>
> Installing as well.
>

Hi Martin, Hi Luc,

Can you share how you upgraded to KDE/Plasma version 5.25.5?

Thanks.

Best regards,
-Sedat-

> I don't know whether it helps if some users "vote" for its stability?
> But I am willing to do so if after a few days of test there is no
> regression compared to the current state.
>
> Ciao,
> --
> Martin
>
>



Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-19 Thread Luc Castermans

+1

Op 19-05-2023 om 09:00 schreef Martin Steigerwald:

Hi Luc.

Luc Castermans - 16.05.23, 07:11:33 CEST:

On top and for the record.

I installed all of KDE, plasma 5.25.5 etc. from Experimental
yesterday. The upgrade went smooth, all worked well.

Installing as well.

I don't know whether it helps if some users "vote" for its stability?
But I am willing to do so if after a few days of test there is no
regression compared to the current state.

Ciao,


--
m.vr.gr.

Luc Castermans
mailto:luc.casterm...@gmail.com



Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-19 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hi Luc.

Luc Castermans - 16.05.23, 07:11:33 CEST:
> On top and for the record.
> 
> I installed all of KDE, plasma 5.25.5 etc. from Experimental
> yesterday. The upgrade went smooth, all worked well.

Installing as well.

I don't know whether it helps if some users "vote" for its stability? 
But I am willing to do so if after a few days of test there is no 
regression compared to the current state.

Ciao,
-- 
Martin




Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-15 Thread Luc Castermans
Hi

On top and for the record.

I installed all of KDE, plasma 5.25.5 etc. from Experimental yesterday.
The upgrade went smooth, all worked well.

Thanks!!

Luc

Op ma 15 mei 2023 om 17:53 schreef Martin Steigerwald :

> Hi Merlin,
>
> Merlin Cooper - 15.05.23, 16:35:59 CEST:
> > Are there any plans to upload Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106 to
> > Unstable and unblock them for inclusion in Testing? The Full Freeze
> > is coming up soon, and Unstable / Testing are still stuck on Plasma
> > 5.27.2 and Frameworks 5.103. The newer versions fix tons of bugs
> > (including many Wayland bugs), so their inclusion in Debian 12 would
> > be supremely appreciated by Debian KDE users.
>
> Please see
>
> bug #1035056 [pre-approval] plasma-desktop 5.27.X
>
> https://bugs.debian.org/1035056
>
> As well as IRC channel #debian-qt-kde
>
> Best,
> --
> Martin
>
>
>

-- 
Luc Castermans
mailto:luc.casterm...@gmail.com


Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-15 Thread Timothy M Butterworth
On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 10:51 AM Merlin Cooper 
wrote:

> (I accidentally sent this email directly to Coufcouf and DeltaOne, I
> should have posted it to the list... sorry!)
>
> Hello,
>
> Are there any plans to upload Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106 to
> Unstable and unblock them for inclusion in Testing? The Full Freeze is
> coming up soon, and Unstable / Testing are still stuck on Plasma 5.27.2 and
> Frameworks 5.103. The newer versions fix tons of bugs (including many
> Wayland bugs), so their inclusion in Debian 12 would be supremely
> appreciated by Debian KDE users.
>
> I see no reason why an unblock request wouldn't be granted considering
> GNOME 43.4 was allowed to migrate recently, and these new versions focus
> only on fixing bugs rather than adding features.
>
> I hope you consider uploading Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106 to
> Unstable, and requesting an unblock so they can migrate to Testing and be
> included in Debian 12, that way Debian KDE users can have the best possible
> experience.
>

You are not alone. I would also like to see plasma 5.27.5 or newer updated
in Bookworm.
Tim


> Thank you for all your hard work!
> Merlin
>


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Re: Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-15 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hi Merlin,

Merlin Cooper - 15.05.23, 16:35:59 CEST:
> Are there any plans to upload Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106 to
> Unstable and unblock them for inclusion in Testing? The Full Freeze
> is coming up soon, and Unstable / Testing are still stuck on Plasma
> 5.27.2 and Frameworks 5.103. The newer versions fix tons of bugs
> (including many Wayland bugs), so their inclusion in Debian 12 would
> be supremely appreciated by Debian KDE users.

Please see

bug #1035056 [pre-approval] plasma-desktop 5.27.X

https://bugs.debian.org/1035056

As well as IRC channel #debian-qt-kde

Best,
-- 
Martin




Question about Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106

2023-05-15 Thread Merlin Cooper
(I accidentally sent this email directly to Coufcouf and DeltaOne, I should 
have posted it to the list... sorry!)

Hello,

Are there any plans to upload Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106 to Unstable 
and unblock them for inclusion in Testing? The Full Freeze is coming up soon, 
and Unstable / Testing are still stuck on Plasma 5.27.2 and Frameworks 5.103. 
The newer versions fix tons of bugs (including many Wayland bugs), so their 
inclusion in Debian 12 would be supremely appreciated by Debian KDE users.

I see no reason why an unblock request wouldn't be granted considering GNOME 
43.4 was allowed to migrate recently, and these new versions focus only on 
fixing bugs rather than adding features.

I hope you consider uploading Plasma 5.27.5 and Frameworks 5.106 to Unstable, 
and requesting an unblock so they can migrate to Testing and be included in 
Debian 12, that way Debian KDE users can have the best possible experience.

Thank you for all your hard work!
Merlin