Bug#645308: tg3 broken for NetXtreme 5714S in squeeze 6.0.3 installer

2011-10-18 Thread Otavio Salvador
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 11:44, Marc Haber mh+debian-b...@zugschlus.de wrote:
...
 Does the installer use a different kernel from what actually gets used
 in the installed system?

It ought to be in sync at install time but the binaries are different.
In installer we build the udebs using the generated binary from the
archive (will change for Wheezy)

 Why was a new tg3 introduced in a point release kernel in the first
 place?
...

On the point release, new hardware support has been add (as you can
see on the announcement) and regressions might happen even though
Kernel Team has asked for long time for tests to avoid them.

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Re: Bug#645308: tg3 broken for NetXtreme 5714S in squeeze 6.0.3 installer

2011-10-17 Thread Otavio Salvador
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 07:07, Marc Haber
mh+debian-packa...@zugschlus.de wrote:
...
 this is a regression from 6.0.2.1 to 6.0.3.

 The IBM HS12 blade server has a Broadcom network chip:

 04:04.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme 5714S 
 Gigabit Ethernet [14e4:1669] (rev a3)
 04:04.1 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme 5714S 
 Gigabit Ethernet [14e4:1669] (rev a3)
...

 Manually running modprobe -r tg3, modprobe tg3 on a shell allows the
 installation to continue. The squeeze OS installed by the installer
 has working network immediaely.

 With a 6.0.2.1 amd64 netinstall CD, things are just fine.
...

It does seem to be a kernel issue so I reassigned it according.

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Re: Uploading linux-2.6 (3.0.0-5)

2011-09-29 Thread Otavio Salvador
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 00:15, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote:
...
 Assuming that we don't find any more problems with the changes in
 experimental to use kernel-wedge, I will apply those to unstable as
 well.  I'll need to upload kernel-wedge yet again with Joey's fix for
 the bug that affected s390.

That's awesome :-)

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Re: Changes to Debian Installer release process

2011-07-30 Thread Otavio Salvador
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 17:04, Luk Claes l...@debian.org wrote:
...
  * Debian Installer daily builds to be done from source uploads

    The daily builds will use the archive source for building so every
 time we do a change in unstable in a module that is included in initrd
 it will trigger a binNMU in all architectures replicating what we have
 in daily builds. When source changes in debian-installer source
 package are done, a new source upload will be required.

 Do the daily builds only uncover issues from building the initrd? A.k.a.
 will changes in packages other than the one in the initrd only have an
 effect on the install via genuine downloading from the archive at the
 time of the install?

Mostly; the only addition situation we'll need to rebuild the
installer is when the amount of translation changes for a specific
language so we get the 'translation-status' file updated into the
initrd.

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Re: Changes to Debian Installer release process

2011-07-30 Thread Otavio Salvador
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 22:12, Christian PERRIER bubu...@debian.org wrote:
 Quoting Otavio Salvador (ota...@ossystems.com.br):
 Mostly; the only addition situation we'll need to rebuild the
 installer is when the amount of translation changes for a specific
 language so we get the 'translation-status' file updated into the
 initrd.

 We might need to find a way to avoid rebuilding just because *one*
 language changed. Mostly because this happens really often..we don't
 really have control about the translator's schedule and they happen to
 commit things more or less randomly (with peaks when something is
 changed in a string, or when strings are added: some like to be 100%
 all time long..:-)).

But this will change only when we upload the package to the archive so
we can try to upload a set of packages with translation updates to
avoid this. Basically the binNMU would be triggered when the
translation status change for a language and since we work with
percentage this will not change on every translation update.

 As I'm watching all this very regularly, we could maybe imagine
 something where the i18n coordinator can trigger an l10n-rebuild
 because (s)he notices that a given language changed significantly
 enough to be worth itor because it has been too much time since
 the last rebuild and many very small changes piled up.

Or maybe if there's no initrd changes queue it to the end of week if
nothing else changes?

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Changes to Debian Installer release process

2011-07-28 Thread Otavio Salvador
I used some of Debcamp and Debconf time this year to discuss the
Debian Installer release process with some people and after talking
with many people it seems we agreed on the following changes on Debian
Installer release process and it would be interesting to receive
feedback on those to see if anyone see a problem we didn't notice yet.

* Official uploads to be built against unstable

  Currently when we do a source upload of debian-installer it gather
all build-depends on /unstable/ but the udebs from /testing/. We want
to get it change and all udebs be fetched from unstable so we will
migrate it all to testing when ready and not before building as done
currently. This is going to make easier to Debian Installer and Debian
Release teams to coordinate the migration of packages to testing.
Philipp will send a mail regarding this with more details later.

 * Linux kernel udebs to be built from linux source package

   We won't get rid of kernel-wedge instead linux source package will
use it during the build process to produce all the kernel udebs from
it. Ben will send a mail about this later with a more detailed
description.

 * Debian Installer daily builds to be done from source uploads

   The daily builds will use the archive source for building so every
time we do a change in unstable in a module that is included in initrd
it will trigger a binNMU in all architectures replicating what we have
in daily builds. When source changes in debian-installer source
package are done, a new source upload will be required.

 * Debian Installer experimental builds

   With Linux kernel udebs built from linux source we have the
possibility to get the installer built against the development kernel
that will be available on experimental and this is quite important to
us to be able to test all this before it is available in unstable to
avoid bad surprises for us and users. This will also be a handy tool
for us to play with not well tested or finished stuff without breaking
installer to end users.

   For now, I think we will need to use an infra-structure similar of
what we have today for daily builds for those.

 * Use of britney to handle package and installer migration

   This is the end of the process and some details are yet unknown how
this is going to happen however but our goal is to make it happen
since it will alleviate a lot the amount of work to make Debian
Installer release to happen.

It is important to notice that it is not a single-man effort but a
coordinate and shared effort of Debian Kernel, Debian Release and
Debian Installer teams to get all this done. Those changes are not
going to happen at once but in a progressive process and at the end
this is going to make the installer release process easier to
understand and handle.

Please share your ideas regarding those proposed changes so we can
start looking on the required changes to accomplish all this.

Thanks in advance,

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Bug#635035: [s390] doesn't has nbd module available

2011-07-23 Thread Otavio Salvador
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 11:50, Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org wrote:
 It is enabled and according to
 http://packages.debian.org/sid/s390/linux-image-2.6.39-2-s390x/filelist
 correctly included. Please show more evidence.

Missing on tape flavour.

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Re: Symbolic links to kernel image files and initial RAM file system image files

2011-07-22 Thread Otavio Salvador
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 01:56, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote:
...
 o  Eliminate symbolic links entirely and require boot loader hook
 scripts to edit their configuration files
...

This seems to be the best alternative for me however IIRC there still
arches that depends on those links so I think we could do it case by
base (arch specificly) by now.

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Bug#635035: [s390] doesn't has nbd module available

2011-07-21 Thread Otavio Salvador
Package: linux-2.6
Version: 2.6.39-3
Severity: wishlist
Tags: d-i

Currently there're a development of partman-nbd for integration into
Debian Installer and we started pushing the required changes to
integrate it. Regarding kernel support, s390 is the only missing
architecture.

This bug is more a request for comments then a request. We have two
possible ways of fixing this bug:

 * enabling nbd for s390;
 * documenting into installation manual that s390 lacks it;

Either way works for me while the first seems the easier and avoids a
divergion regarding feature sets.

Thoughts?

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Kernel: Linux 2.6.39-2-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores)
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Re: Uploading linux-2.6 (2.6.32-31) for point release 6.0.1

2011-03-06 Thread Otavio Salvador
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 05:18, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote:
...
 That should be fine.  That gives us time to include longterm release
 2.6.32.30 and pick up a few other bug fixes.

It would be nice if it can be done before since I'll do a surgery on
26th and need to travel for it on 24th or 25th.

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Re: Uploading linux-2.6 (2.6.32-31) for point release 6.0.1

2011-03-01 Thread Otavio Salvador
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 18:19, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 11:23:42AM +, Otavio Salvador wrote:
 It depends on the ETA for 6.0.1. I'd a week before the targeted date
 assuming it builds fine on all arches. For a confort level, I'd say a
 cuple of weeks like a good time for we to update the installer for it.

 OK, so what's the targeted date?

It doesn't depends on me. It is RMs' call.

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Re: Uploading linux-2.6 (2.6.32-31) for point release 6.0.1

2011-02-28 Thread Otavio Salvador
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 04:53, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote:
...
 I know that I need to upload in time for the installer team to rebuild
 the installer with the new kernel version, addressing the known issues
 with the kernel used in 6.0.0.  Please could you let me know what the
 deadline is for that?
...

It depends on the ETA for 6.0.1. I'd a week before the targeted date
assuming it builds fine on all arches. For a confort level, I'd say a
cuple of weeks like a good time for we to update the installer for it.

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Bug#608538: btrfs root installation results in initramfs busybox prompt

2011-01-02 Thread Otavio Salvador
reassign 608538 btrfs-tools
retitle 608538 Didn't include required module in initramfs
thanks

On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 09:06, Aron Xu happyaron...@gmail.com wrote:
 No, nothing. But I truly only get an initramfs prompt.

It looks to be a btrfs-tools hook issue.

Reassigning it.

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Bug#571035: [Upgraded to latest squeeze] Machine unbootable with ata_generic

2010-10-29 Thread Otavio Salvador
Hello,

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Holger Wansing li...@wansing-online.de wrote:
 The situation is still the same:

 In the debian-installer, the ide_generic module is used by default,
 but it is not included in the initrd.
 Because of that, the newly installed system is unbootable (no disc is noted
 in /dev).

Can you send us a copy of /var/log/installer/syslog (gzipped)?

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Bug#571035: [Upgraded to latest squeeze] Machine unbootable with ata_generic [Was: [Daily built 23. Aug 2010] Kernel freezes at boot]

2010-10-16 Thread Otavio Salvador
Hello,

We have updated kernel version in installer and I would like to ask
you to give it a try.

Please try 
http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/20101016-16:05/netboot/mini.iso

Thanks in advance,

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Bug#571035: [Upgraded to latest squeeze] Machine unbootable with ata_generic [Was: [Daily built 23. Aug 2010] Kernel freezes at boot]

2010-09-24 Thread Otavio Salvador
Hello,

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:07 AM, Holger Wansing li...@wansing-online.de wrote:
 PLEASE NOTE, THAT THIS IS WITH ide_generic LOADED!
 ata_generic is not available on the d-i at that time,
 but ide_generic is.

I have queued it to be included in next kernel update for d-i.

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Bug#571035: [squeeze alpha1] installationsreport: grub2: machine doesn't boot

2010-09-06 Thread Otavio Salvador
Hello,

On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Holger Wansing li...@wansing-online.de wrote:
 2. the second is a debian-installer kernel.
   I copied the kernel and initrd from a debian-installer netinst cd
   (the same cd which was used to perform the test installation, leading
   to this bugreport #571035, an debian-testing daily build from
   23. Aug 2010.
   That kernel boots fine!!!

You might try to use the installer and chroot into /target and install
the latest 486 kernel and see if it boots.

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Bug#571035: [squeeze alpha1] installationsreport: grub2: machine doesn't boot

2010-09-03 Thread Otavio Salvador
Hello,

On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Holger Wansing li...@wansing-online.de wrote:
 http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso

We need to know the date of it ;-)

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Bug#512546: Ethernet card not found

2010-08-26 Thread Otavio Salvador
Hello Vincent,

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Vincent McIntyre
vince.mcint...@atnf.csiro.au wrote:
 this problem is also occurring on Dell Optiplex 780 machines,
 the PCI ID of the network card is 8086:10de.

Can you test with our daily image? It has updated kernel and would be
nice to know if it works for you.

This is the kernel intended to be used in Squeeze Installer and we
have more  freedom to fix issues on it then changing stuff in Lenny.

Thanks in advance,

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Bug#512546: Ethernet card not found

2010-08-26 Thread Otavio Salvador
Hello Vincent,

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Otavio Salvador
ota...@ossystems.com.br wrote:
 Hello Vincent,

 On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Vincent McIntyre
 vince.mcint...@atnf.csiro.au wrote:
 this problem is also occurring on Dell Optiplex 780 machines,
 the PCI ID of the network card is 8086:10de.

 Can you test with our daily image? It has updated kernel and would be
 nice to know if it works for you.

I noticed that it has already been tested with dailies and that it
works. So ignore this.

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Bug#571035: [squeeze alpha1] installationsreport: grub2: machine doesn't boot

2010-08-26 Thread Otavio Salvador
Hello Ben,

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote:
 Which kernel version was used in this installer image?

It depends; the user used the netinst image so he might have used
current squeeze installer or sid depending on  the directory he uses.

Holger, can you inform us the URL you used to get the image?

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Bug#571035: [squeeze alpha1] installationsreport: grub2: machine doesn't boot

2010-08-25 Thread Otavio Salvador
reassign 571035 linux-2.6
retitle 571035 Kernel freezes at boot
thanks

Hello,

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Holger Wansing li...@wansing-online.de wrote:
        Decompressing Linux... Parsing ELF... done.
        Booting the kernel.

 and then the system stopps.

It is really a kernel issue in this case. It looks like the bootloader
and the installer has done its job and kernel needs a fix somewhere.

So I am reassigning the issue to kernel.

 I intend to do some more tests, but this will happen after I return
 from vacation (end of next week).

That would be good; people at kernel team can guide you better then me
on how to debug this issue.

Thanks in advance,

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Bug#561309: Same problem

2009-12-18 Thread Otavio Salvador
Hello,

I'd like to confirm this bug since I have exactly same situation. :-(

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Re: Removal of cramfs support

2009-12-05 Thread Otavio Salvador
Hello,

On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org wrote:
 Hi folks

 I intent to remove the cramfs support from the kernel and the
 cramfsprogs package. Current kernels supports squashfs, which is a far
 more advanced replacement.

Is squashfs going to be built-in in those arches?

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Re: Update of Linux 2.6.30?

2009-09-13 Thread Otavio Salvador
Hello Ben,

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote:
 Although Linux 2.6.31 has been released, it has a number of known
 regressions and I think we will wait for 2.6.31.1 before uploading to
 unstable.  Most of the kernel team will be meeting in Portland from
 22-26 September and I would expect the first upload to be done after
 that.

 In the mean time, 2.6.30 has had more stable updates, and there are many
 other bugs with patches available (the most important being #541307).  I
 propose that we should make another upload of 2.6.30, although this will
 change the kernel ABI.

Please do; this allow us to get rid of the PAT bug :-)

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Bug#503292: [RFC] Bugs#503292: linux-latest-2.6: new dummy images for Samsung s3c24xx devices

2009-08-21 Thread Otavio Salvador
Hello Luca,

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Luca Capellol...@pca.it wrote:
 Is there any strong opposition to s3c24xx?


I fully agree that it looks the most logical name for it.

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Re: [stable] Adding bnx2x driver in 5.0.3

2009-07-27 Thread Otavio Salvador
Hello dann,

On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 4:04 PM, dann frazierda...@debian.org wrote:
 The bnx2x driver was disabled in lenny due to its use of non-free
 firmware. I have put together a patch that would reenable this driver
 in lenny's 2.6.26 kernel, making use of the firmware split-out patch
 that has gone upstream in Linux 2.6.31-rc releases (and is currently
 in use in the linux-2.6 2.6.30 packages in sid).

Really good news :-)

 I'd like to see if we can enable the use of this driver in 5.0.3.
 As far as I can tell, the necessary steps would be:

  - Update the kernel (obviously) - planned for a p-u upload this week
  - Backport the necessary changes for firmware-nonfree from sid to add
   the firmware-bnx2x package
  - Update kernel-wedge/stable to include bnx2x if available (are there
   space issues here?)

The space usage is neglitable and I think it can be done with a very
small risk of regressions.

Be sure to use the kernel-wedge of lenny for building it since we've
changed kernel-wedge a lot during the 2.6.30 migration and it is not
suitable for the lenny usage.

  - Update d-i in 5.0.3 to incorporate this driver

Yes, you got the picture right.

I offer help if required.

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Re: Raising minimum CPU requirement for i386 kernel

2009-05-24 Thread Otavio Salvador
Hello Bastian,

On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org wrote:
 Hi folks

 I would like to raise the minimum CPU requirement for the shipped Linux
 kernels in the i386 port to i686 (with cmov). For now I will not propose
 a change of the default machine type setting used by the compiler.

Raise it is non-sense. I know of many people that actively use
machines that will lose support in this case.

I'm quite curious to know what is the reason for that?

I think we could possible change the default kernel available on full
CD set (if we provide an alternative image for usage by those old
machines) and I'd also support it not being available for all
installer flavours but I do think we can't just drop support for those
machines.

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Re: Proposed changes to linux-2.6

2009-05-23 Thread Otavio Salvador
Hello Bastian,

On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org wrote:
 Hi folks

 Some of this changes affects D-I.

 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 05:32:48PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote:
 I intend to do the following changes to linux-2.6:
 * Remove i386/486.
 * Change i386/686(-bigmem) to include generic optimizations, should work
   on all x86 then. Maybe rename them somehow later.
 * Make ipv6 support built-in for several arches.

The i486 flavour is our default for the installer; what would be the
new default kernel?

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Re: Bug#523342: installation report Dell Optiplex 960: NIC driver not available

2009-04-09 Thread Otavio Salvador
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Christian Perrier bubu...@debian.org wrote:
 Quoting Charles Muller (acmul...@jj.em-net.ne.jp):
 Package: installation-reports

 Boot method: Netinstall
 Image version: Full URL to image you downloaded is best
 Date: 2009-04-09

 Machine: Dell Optiplex 960
 Processor: Quad 2.66 G
 Memory: 4 G
 Partitions:
 Base System Installation Checklist:
 [O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it

 Initial boot:           [0]
 Detect network card:    [X]

 Stop here. Can't find NIC Intel 82567. Ubuntu has it, but apparently
 it's not in Squeeze


 To kernel people: is this something that's likely to be fixed in
 2.6.28|2.6.29 ?

Yes, 2.6.27 already supports it in e1000e module, check:

ota...@neumann { ~/hacking/linux-2.6 }$ git describe
f4187b56e1f8a05dd110875d5094b21b51ebd79b
v2.6.27-rc4-296-gf4187b5

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Re: Serious SCSI problem on Lenny networkinstall image

2009-03-22 Thread Otavio Salvador
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[...]

 I consider it Debian's problem, and I am willing to invest some time
 to help, if needed.

That is great and it is very welcome. 

 I think I have given enough info via mail until now:
 03/08 - a link to debian user forums with a thread I started there about this 
 issue
 03/09 - with 2 x syslog of Debian 5 boot on two different machines (2 
 different SCSI controllers)
 03/11 - the mail you react to (I guess you missed the one from 03/09 ?)
 03/12 - a reaction for Otario Salvador with dmesg output and some 
 configuration
 ^ Otavio, plz ;-)
 today - after investigating some more, my conclusion that the 486 kernel has 
 a SCSI problem for Qlogic and Adaptec
 today - more investigation (kernel sources this time) with some possibilities

As we already concluded on the other thread this is a kernel issue and
needs to be dealt by the kernel team.

 I'm willing to include all my mails (and the reactions) in my posts,
 but that would be a bit too much, wouldn't it?

It is not required and you already provided that information on the bug
report you did at #519815. This is right place to provide more
information.

 Also I was hoping that SCSI problems on 2 different well known SCSI
 controllers would trigger something, but obviously that is not the
 case.

 Or am I not in the right place for this?

 I personally think there's a serious error in the i386 network install image 
 (being kernel-486 based).
 If so, I consider that bad for Debian's reputation, and that would be
 bad for the reputation of open source software, which is not what we
 want.

Sorry but you're wrong about kernel being 486 based be a mistake. This
allow Debian to be installer in more machines and this is exactly what
we intend.

Yes, we have a bug on 486 flavor and this needs to be solved but making
Debian non-installable in older machines is not the way to do that.

I've added kernel team mailing list and I hope they can take a look
and provide more information on the bug.

Kernel team, please, take a look at #519815. This is a serious bug
and would be nice to have it fixed for 5.0.1 if possible.

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Re: 5.0.1 kernel upload, ABI change

2009-03-22 Thread Otavio Salvador
(droped other mailing list that are not suppose to handle this specific
 issue)

dann frazier da...@debian.org writes:

 Stable
 --
 There are several fixes queued up for a stable upload. I have a
 few more small fixes from jmm to review/commit as well, and it looks
 like tbm has an RTC regression fix pending. I've seen mentions of
 OpenVZ fixes from Ola/maks - what is the status of those? Are there
 any other changes people are working on?

 Obviously we've made a lot of progress here and have several changes
 queued up. I also have a handful of changes from Moritz to review. If
 you have any additional changes queued, please speak up.

Please take a look at #519815. This looks worth a look and is indeed a
serious issue for user POV.

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Re: Bug#512546: Same problem on Dell Optiplex 760 with Intel Corporation 82567LM-3 Gigabit Network Connection [8086:10de] (rev 02)

2009-02-13 Thread Otavio Salvador
Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org writes:

 On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:49:14AM +0100, Bastian Blank wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:16:09AM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
  I don't think so, AFAIK missing PCI IDs are routinily added to kernel 
  updates 
  also in pointreleases.
 Yes they are. But you have not shown the upstream commit ids.

 The upstream commit to add this IDs and generic ICH10 support is
 f4187b56e1f8a05dd110875d5094b21b51ebd79b.

 As there are explicit differences in the init for ICH8/9 and ICH10
 devices, I don't consider the hacked addition of ID with reuse of

Did you looked how different and how difficult would be to backport
them?

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Re: Breaking X.Org on sparc

2009-02-08 Thread Otavio Salvador
Luk Claes l...@debian.org writes:

 This means that we have to back it out again and the only question is if
 we will do that for r0 or r1.

 I think it's best to delay that to r1. Can someone please provide a text
 for the release notes to describe the problem, TIA?

I also agree about let it for r1; it would result in 8 or 10 days to
get it included in lenny.

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Re: Meeting(s) at FOSDEM

2009-02-05 Thread Otavio Salvador
Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes:

Then: when and where would be a good time to meet up?

 Hello? Anyone?

I won't be at FOSDEM :(

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Re: linux-2.6 upload planned

2009-01-10 Thread Otavio Salvador
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dann frazier da...@debian.org writes:

 hey,
  I wanted to give -release  -boot a heads up that the kernel team is
 looking to do a linux-2.6 upload to sid tomorrow. As discussed on the
 d-i channel, delays in the d-i release have given us a short window to
 introduce a new build for inclusion in RC2.

  Changes pending for this update include:
   - a few local DoS security issues
   - the hppa kernel fix that was causing crashes during ruby
 builds (doesn't fix the FTBFS - that may be a userspace issue)
   - reintroduces a driver for the ia64 rtc (regression)
   - several other fixes of = important severity from Moritz's recent
 bug triage

Please go ahead.

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Re: Bug#507432: Can't install debian testing on asus p5q-pro (Marvell 88SE6111) ide hdd

2008-12-02 Thread Otavio Salvador
D d [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 After start installer, without my action, lsmod show ahci and pata_marvell 
 modules as loaded, but installer can't recognise drive. 

 I see my ide drive, only after action: 

 modprobe -r ahci 
 modprobe -r pata_marvell

 and as order (http://duncanelliot.com/blog/?p=18) do:

 modprobe pata_marvell then
 modprobe ahci 

 Before this build install-cd i can't do modprobe successfully, before 
 installer detect drives. Thanks a lot.

That looks like a kernel issue in this case. From looking at the code
I remember to see a quirk to not use ahci if pata was enabled.

How people think we might workaround it?

I small background for the new interested people:

The user has problems using his Marvel IDE (in legacy mode). We have
pata_marvell available but ahci is loaded anyway.

It looks that the only way to workaround the issue is to do a hack
like we do to ide-generic (load it and check if new devices are
created). Do someone has any better alternative?

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Re: Please unblock linux-2.6/2.6.26-11, linux-modules-extra-2.6/2.6.26-5, redhat-cluster/2.20081102-1

2008-11-29 Thread Otavio Salvador
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Bastian Blank [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Hi folks

 Please unblock linux-2.6/2.6.26-11. It introduces another stable update
 and fixes several other problems.

 Please unblock linux-modules-extra-2.6/2.6.26-5. It is a schedules
 rebuild to introduce new images and build against new modules sources.

 Please unblock redhat-cluster/2.20081102-1. It is necessary to have
 working modules on 2.6.26. This is source for l-m-e-2.6.

No objection

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Bug#502550: System starts with 486 Kernel

2008-10-20 Thread Otavio Salvador
Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Am Montag, den 20.10.2008, 10:19 -0200 schrieb Otavio Salvador:
 ... It is a kernel issue, no doubt however I'm unsure
 why it happens. A good guess is to install linux-image-2.6.26-1-486
 and try to boot using this.
 
 Oi Otavio,

 As you suggested I installed the 486 version and system starts. Muito
 obrigado,

Cool. So please send a full log of the booting with both kernels. If
you have a null-modem cabe available, you might use a serial console
to grab all possible information on the problematic one.

Another nice suggestion is to try to find out a boot param that make
it to work, that could give a nice hint about where the problem is.

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Re: Please unblock linux-2.6/2.6.26-8

2008-10-11 Thread Otavio Salvador
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Bastian Blank [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

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 Please unblock linux-2.6/2.6.26-8.

No objection from d-i POV. I'll wait it to be built on all
architectures and do a massupload.

The just missed one is mipsel, I hope it gets done by tomorrow.

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Schedule for kernel updates

2008-10-07 Thread Otavio Salvador
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Hello,

We're ready, from d-i POV, to start moving installer udebs and upload
RC1 installer however I'd like to know what are the planned updates
for the kernel before Lenny release?

If those updates are going to happen next days, I'd prefer to wait and
try to avoid a RC2 version of d-i however if it'll take longer, I'll
then move RC1 ahead.

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Re: Handling of linux-modules-*-2.6 during freeze

2008-10-04 Thread Otavio Salvador
Bastian Blank [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 02:58:47PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
 Bastian Blank wrote:
  For a short-term fix I only see three solutions:
  - Continue to upload to unstable, drop virtualbox modules.
  - Upload to testing-proposed-updates.
  - Let virtualbox-ose into Lenny.
 None of these look really good to me. Another solution would be a
 reupload of 1.6.2-dfsg-6 with a higher version than currently in unstable.

 This may produce another bunch of problems with the version generation
 in the linux-modules-* packages which I currently don't want to find
 out. It works now, and I'm glad that it works. What I don't want is to
 introduce another variable like epochs just for fun.

In this case I think t-p-u is the best alternative and I agree that if
the version generation code doesn't this support up to now, this is
too late to add it.

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[RFC] kernel update to 2.6.26

2008-08-02 Thread Otavio Salvador
[ added debian-kernel on Cc so they can comment on the doubts I have ]
 
Hello,

I've prepared the patches needed to get i386 and amd64 ready for
2.6.26. The diff is attached for review.

There are some doubts against 2.6.26 from my side, here goes:

 - sata-sis droped

   kernel team pointed #485609 to me however the bug talks about
   sis5513 module not sata-sis

 - dpt-i2o added (amd64)

   system has been used i2o-block for it. I didn't include it since
   I'm unsure if we should use it or not

 - isofs droped (mips)

 - pata modules droped (armel)

I've opt to use atl2-modules instead of nic-lme-modules as suggested
on the atl2 bug report to follow same schema we have been doing for
external modules. It looks more logical for me.

Otavio Salvador (10):
  Add support to atl2 package building to massbuild script
  Add atl2 modules. Closes: #490354.
  Add atl2-modules (build-depends on kernel-wedge = 2.49)
  Add atl2-modules (build-depends on kernel-wedge = 2.49)
  Add 686-bigmem flavour
  Add pata-sch to pata-modules.
  Move sata-sis from pata-modules to sata-modules (uh?).
  Add acenic, atl1e and sfc to nic-extra-modules.
  Add spcp8x5 to usb-serial-modules.
  Replace rtc with rtc-cmos on rtc-modules.

 kernel-wedge/debian/changelog |   11 +++
 kernel-wedge/modules/atl2-modules |1 +
 kernel-wedge/modules/nic-extra-modules|3 +++
 kernel-wedge/modules/pata-modules |2 +-
 kernel-wedge/modules/rtc-modules  |3 ++-
 kernel-wedge/modules/sata-modules |1 +
 kernel-wedge/modules/usb-serial-modules   |1 +
 kernel-wedge/package-list |6 ++
 linux-modules-di-amd64-2.6/debian/changelog   |6 ++
 linux-modules-di-amd64-2.6/debian/control.stub|2 +-
 linux-modules-di-amd64-2.6/kernel-versions|2 +-
 linux-modules-di-amd64-2.6/modules/amd64/atl2-modules |1 +
 linux-modules-di-i386-2.6/debian/changelog|7 +++
 linux-modules-di-i386-2.6/debian/control.stub |2 +-
 linux-modules-di-i386-2.6/kernel-versions |3 ++-
 linux-modules-di-i386-2.6/modules/i386/atl2-modules   |1 +
 massbuild |4 
 17 files changed, 50 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)

diff --git a/packages/kernel/kernel-wedge/debian/changelog 
b/packages/kernel/kernel-wedge/debian/changelog
index 24e9969..bee0817 100644
--- a/packages/kernel/kernel-wedge/debian/changelog
+++ b/packages/kernel/kernel-wedge/debian/changelog
@@ -1,3 +1,14 @@
+kernel-wedge (2.49) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
+
+  * Add atl2 modules. Closes: #490354.
+  * Add pata-sch to pata-modules.
+  * Move sata-sis from pata-modules to sata-modules (uh?).
+  * Add acenic, atl1e and sfc to nic-extra-modules.
+  * Add spcp8x5 to usb-serial-modules.
+  * Replace rtc with rtc-cmos on rtc-modules.
+
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+
 kernel-wedge (2.48) unstable; urgency=low
 
   * Add raid10 to md-modules.
diff --git a/packages/kernel/kernel-wedge/modules/atl2-modules 
b/packages/kernel/kernel-wedge/modules/atl2-modules
new file mode 100644
index 000..f7aaa50
--- /dev/null
+++ b/packages/kernel/kernel-wedge/modules/atl2-modules
@@ -0,0 +1 @@
+atl2
diff --git a/packages/kernel/kernel-wedge/modules/nic-extra-modules 
b/packages/kernel/kernel-wedge/modules/nic-extra-modules
index 53ea0a5..6b06512 100644
--- a/packages/kernel/kernel-wedge/modules/nic-extra-modules
+++ b/packages/kernel/kernel-wedge/modules/nic-extra-modules
@@ -1,5 +1,6 @@
 # Note that this is an incomplete list that tries to be a common subset
 # that is right for most kernels. Suppliment with any others.
+acenic
 82596 ?
 abyss ?
 ac3200 ?
@@ -95,4 +96,6 @@ qla3xxx ?
 arl1 ?
 cxgb3 ?
 atl1 ?
+atl1e ?
 r6040
+sfc
diff --git a/packages/kernel/kernel-wedge/modules/pata-modules 
b/packages/kernel/kernel-wedge/modules/pata-modules
index a3571b9..6ff9173 100644
--- a/packages/kernel/kernel-wedge/modules/pata-modules
+++ b/packages/kernel/kernel-wedge/modules/pata-modules
@@ -32,7 +32,7 @@ pata_sc1200 ?
 pata_serverworks ?
 pata_sil680 ?
 pata_sis ?
-sata_sis ?
+pata_sch ?
 pata_sl82c105 ?
 pata_triflex ?
 pata_via ?
diff --git a/packages/kernel/kernel-wedge/modules/rtc-modules 
b/packages/kernel/kernel-wedge/modules/rtc-modules
index 4f24fc6..0a78e78 100644
--- a/packages/kernel/kernel-wedge/modules/rtc-modules
+++ b/packages/kernel/kernel-wedge/modules/rtc-modules
@@ -1 +1,2 @@
-rtc
+rtc ?
+rtc-cmos
diff --git a/packages/kernel/kernel-wedge/modules/sata-modules 
b/packages/kernel/kernel-wedge/modules/sata-modules
index b8808dc..c0ad780 100644
--- a/packages/kernel/kernel-wedge/modules/sata-modules
+++ b/packages/kernel/kernel-wedge/modules/sata-modules
@@ -3,6 +3,7 @@ ata_piix ?
 sata_nv ?
 sata_promise ?
 sata_sil ?
+sata_sis

Re: imminent 2.6.26 sid upload

2008-07-29 Thread Otavio Salvador
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 shall we give a README.Debian note on the vserser-xen flavour dropping?

I'd say a NEWS entry.

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Re: imminent 2.6.26 sid upload

2008-07-29 Thread Otavio Salvador
Bastian Blank [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 02:53:22PM +0200, maximilian attems wrote:
 i'll announce upload of 2.6.26-1 for tomorrow, will hit NEW.

 Nack.

Do you mind to be more descriptive?

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Re: imminent 2.6.26 sid upload

2008-07-29 Thread Otavio Salvador
Julien Cristau [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:12:32 -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:

 maximilian attems [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  shall we give a README.Debian note on the vserser-xen flavour dropping?
 
 I'd say a NEWS entry.
 
 If the package doesn't exist anymore, it can't have a NEWS file.  And
 spamming the users of every other image with a note that some flavour
 they don't use got dropped doesn't sound optimal.

Right however it would be nice to warn him if he uses it. In this
case, I think README.Debian is indeed the best option having your
concern in mind.

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Re: imminent 2.6.26 sid upload

2008-07-23 Thread Otavio Salvador
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maximilian attems [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 latest 2.6.25 stable release is in testing, we expect to keep it as backup
 plan for lenny.  release team wishes to have unstable coverage of 2.6.26
 before final ack on that release.

If this is the desire of Release Team, I have no problem on that.

I'd prefer to have it on experimental before upload it to unstable so
first and more urgent issues wouldn't bother us and users however this
is more up to you and RM team then me. My preference would be:

 - upload to experimental
 - wait for at least 5 days without issues
 - check for any possible building issues with new libc headers
 - upload to sid (since it has been proven more or less stable) 

When uploading to sid, I believe that meta packages should go together
so we do get a nice coverage on that.

After sometime on sid, I believe we ought to move d-i for it if it
looks to be a real option for lenny and try to release a first RC of
installer as soon as possible after that.

Thank you by coordinating it with us.

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Re: Selection of kernel for Lenny

2008-07-09 Thread Otavio Salvador
Daniel Dickinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 09:15:14 +0200
 maximilian attems [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  When a new stable *is* uploaded, D-I should be able to switch
  faster too (at least, if there's someone willing to do the initial
  kernel-wedge work) as the main criterium for D-I to switch to a new
  kernel version is: does the new version look about to be ready to
  migrate to testing, which current early uploads of the kernel to
  unstable effectively never are.
 
 sarcastic mode on
 never seen that, d-i has always been dragging.
 sarcastic mode off

 As a poor simple user, this seems mistaken.  Correct me if I'm wrong,
 but isn't it the case that d-i quickly comes out once a kernel is in
 *testing* so the problem with d-i dragging is really that the kernel
 team doesn't support testing only unstable (from the sounds of it).  I
 mean in another email max says that testing is on an unsupported
 kernel.  WTF.  .24 isn't that old and I'm not sure if .25 is even in
 testing yet (when I last checked it wasn't).

For d-i matters if the kernel is ready (or almost ready) to migrate to
testing since it's very problematic for us to break user installation
using daily images during the Debian kernel stabilization effort that,
today, is done in unstable.

Testing kernel, nowadays, is indeed unsupported since to update it is
much harder and risk since the kernel doesn't have a period of time on
unstable (it needs to go throught testing-proposed-updates) before
hitting testing.

What we're proposing is a change on that. Leaving those first uploads
some time on experimental and then moving to unstable when major
problems were solve (as is done in many other teams as Xorg, KDE,
GNOME, ...) and then reducing the time required for the kernel to
migrate from unstable to testing.

Doing that, it would allow us to move d-i much fastly to the unstable
kernel since we'd be in a much safe bed.

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Re: Selection of kernel for Lenny

2008-07-08 Thread Otavio Salvador
maximilian attems [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 10:09:43PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
 On Monday 07 July 2008, maximilian attems wrote:
   There are valid arguments to be found for staying with 2.6.25 a bit
   longer, but D-I has not yet converted to it is NOT one of them.
 
  testing users are currently on an unsupported kernel.
 
 Eh, how does that follow my last para which I assume you are commenting 
 on, but which has nothing to do with testing?
 
 A side-note to your comment though...
 
 IMO testing kernel support is the weakest point in the current upload 
 strategy by the kernel team. By uploading the next upstream release to 
 unstable basically as soon as it's available upstream, Debian users (both 
 unstable and testing) are frequently missing out on at least one or two 
 upstream stable updates for the previous stable (stable -1) release.

 agreed on the week point, but not to your conclusions.
 it often happens that d-i is blocking on older release.
 like the beta that happened to want to stick to 2.6.22
 which was a pure catastrophe, half a year too old, without
 support for e1000e and newer intel boards..

This was mostly caused due  the risk of the kernel to not be ready on
time. We do need to have a better process to avoid those two problems
to happen from now on.

...
 My personal opinion is that it would be better to delay the upload of new 
 upstream releases to unstable until the .2 or maybe even .3 upstream 
 stable update has become available. This would mean a bit more work for 
 the kernel team, but I would expect that to be solvable.

 don't see any point on that.
 it wouldn't accelerate the meta package sort.

But it would accelerate the d-i migration since we could mostly of
time do the switch at same time of kernel going sid.

 That would also give more time for initial arch-specific and l-m-e issues 
 for the new upstream to be worked out (e.g. in experimental) without 
 breaking unstable too much. IMO a new kernel version should only be 
 uploaded to unstable if kernel meta packages can be updated at roughly 
 the same time.

 this is a currently a week point, but unstable is the place to sort
 such.

No. experimental is the place for that.

 It would also allow to upload a few more stable updates for stable -1 
 and to migrate those to testing, giving testing users on average better 
 support and it would give D-I some more breathing space to do releases.
 
 When a new stable *is* uploaded, D-I should be able to switch faster too 
 (at least, if there's someone willing to do the initial kernel-wedge 
 work) as the main criterium for D-I to switch to a new kernel version is: 
 does the new version look about to be ready to migrate to testing, which 
 current early uploads of the kernel to unstable effectively never are.

 sarcastic mode on
 never seen that, d-i has always been dragging.
 sarcastic mode off

 would wish that kmuto be an official d-i member. he even
 tracks rc snapshot releases when necessary.

It is different case when we are working with a full set of
architectures and planning to not hurt users.

You need to agree that if one derivative breaks, it hurts much less
people then if oficial d-i breaks.

   A much more important argument is that .25 has seen and will almost
   certainly continue to get a lot more stabilization effort upstream
   than is normal for upstream kernel releases because long term
   releases for at least two important other distros are based on it. I
   doubt .26 will get the same upstream attention.
   Given the lack of capacity in Debian to do any real stabilization
   (cherry picking/backporting of fixes from later releases) ourselves,
   that could IMO be an important consideration for staying with .25 for
   Lenny.
 
  that doesn't matter a lot, if you look into our 2.6.18 or the RH patch
  biest you'll notice the RH men force boot behind their backporting
  machine.
 
 I'm having serious trouble parsing what you're trying to say here. Could 
 you rephrase?

 you never checked the rh kernel. they do a *lot* of backporting and
 have a big team working on that. so you'll notice that none of those
 patches landed in ours. so your argument sounds nice, but doesn't
 help in practise.

 .26 got a *lot* upstream attention and solves a number of .25 regressions.
 it is wanted for read-only bind mounts, kernel debugger, kvm + xen + wireless
 improvements, allmost net namespaces and uvc cam support.

And how about the other and correlated changes that would be need like
toolchain and base? We're on _freeze_, bear that on mind. 

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Re: Selection of kernel for Lenny

2008-07-07 Thread Otavio Salvador
maximilian attems [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 .26 is the release kernel.
 so i'm happy with push on it.
 .25 is a possible backup.

I'd like to get an official statement from RM team about that so we
can move it further.

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Re: Selection of kernel for Lenny

2008-07-07 Thread Otavio Salvador
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Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 * Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-07-07 17:30]:
 In fact, having 2.6.25 in testing would possibly make it easier for
 the kernel team to do a final (?) 2.6.25 upload with latest stable
 updates.

 FWIW, I fully agree.  In the past, we never waited for all arches in
 d-i to move to a new kernel udebs before allowing the deb of that
 version to move to testing.  In fact, not having 2.6.25 in testing now
 that some arches have updated d-i to 2.6.25 _hurts_ our testing
 efforts.  Some Orion devices work perfectly fine in d-i now that we've
 moved to 2.6.25, but installations fail because no kernel is in
 testing... which means people cannot test it.

 So, please migrate the 2.6.25 debs to testing.

No objection in allowing 2.6.25 to go to testing but please hold on
about uploading 2.6.26 until RM team acks on it.

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Re: 2.6.25-2 testing sync

2008-07-03 Thread Otavio Salvador
maximilian attems [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 hello

 now that d-i released last beta that 2.6.25 state in unstable
 is fine, we'd want that backup option for the upcoming release
 in testing.

 please hint linux-2.6 2.6.25-6, linux-kbuild-2.6 2.6.25-2, 
 linux-modules-extra-2.6 2.6.25-5

Please wait few more days until we get it properly done on sid (d-i
migrates to it).

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Re: Switch to 2.6.25

2008-06-23 Thread Otavio Salvador
Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Sunday 22 June 2008, Otavio Salvador wrote:
 I've prepared a set of patches against current kernel-wedge to update
 it.

 Thanks.

  - ide-generic-pci

    I haven't add it since I found no reference about it being used by
    other distros and then I prefer to still use ide-generic for now,
    so near of release

 I'm still not sure about this one. Current support for ide-generic in D-I 
 and initramfs-tools is far from perfect and could still be considered a 
 regression from Etch. It could well be that ide-generic-pci fills an 
 important gap here. We really should discuss this with the kernel team.

Kernel Team, please give us some guidance on that. Should we use
ide-generic-pci or ide-generic?

   cdrom-core-modules: add ide-cd_mod.
   ide-modules: add ide-pnp.

 Some more explanation for these would be nice. Please remember that the 
 changelog is not only _what_ you do, but also _why_ you do it.

Looking again, I think we could skip ide-pnp. At least from the source
it looks to be ISA related and I think we doesn't need to include it
until we get complains about non-working systems.

Kernel Team, any guidance here too?

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Bug#482675: Kernel oops on amd64 quad core 9850

2008-05-24 Thread Otavio Salvador
reassign 482675 linux-2.6
retitle 482675
found 482675 2.6.24-7
thanks

Marcus Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Comments/Problems:
 This is a brand new machine, also the harddrive is a new 1 TB sata (tried the 
 same on an old 200 GB sata, but same problem).
 Everyting goes well until its formatting the second partition to ext3. It 
 will hang in installation and the console gives me an oops.

This looks to be a kernel issue and unrelated to Debian Installer
itself. I'm reassigning the bug to the package.

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[RFC] Debian Installer Lenny Beta2 - Pending stuff and timeline

2008-05-03 Thread Otavio Salvador
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Hello,

I know we're a bit late about Beta2 and that it was suppose to have
been released just after Beta1.

Unfortunately, my daily work prevented me from giving the needed time
and love that is required for the installer release. I finally
finished a bunch of things that were waiting for me and can now work
again on that.

After thinking a lot and talking to many people, I think we ought to
go with 2.6.24 kernel for the release. Basically that decision has
been done with following data in mind:

 - current 2.6.25 status
   . currently too young to know about stability
   . still not ready for d-i usage (lacks l-m-e)
   . still not sid default
 - Etch and Half kernel
   . 2.6.24
   . would be nicer to use same for installer
 - Time required to release with 2.6.25
   . probably 5 to 6 weeks from now
 - Time required to release with 2.6.24
   . 3 weeks from now

Let's now summarise what is need to be done for us to get there:


Pending stuff
- -

 . New syslinux menu

   I've talked to Joey and it'll be done at beggining of the
   week. Debian-CD change has already be pushed and d-i related
   changes will follow it. That'll require testing and we'll be able
   to use dailies for that.

 . Update 2.6.24 with missing stable updates

   It would be interesting to have 2.6.24 stable changes in installer
   and Etch+0.5 kernels and it would need to be done _now_. This
   obviously requires approval from Stable Release Management Team and
   Release Management Team since we'd need to use
   testing-proposed-updates to get the updated kernel in Lenny.

 . Cairo frontend issues

   We've identified the problematic change inside of cairo code and
   we're still waiting for the commiter to check it. If it takes too
   long, we'll just revert all changes from directfb cairo module to
   get it back to a know good state and keep going.


Wanted stuff
- 

 . partman-crypto problems with random keys (#478598) and it would be
   nice to have it solved in time for Beta2 however it's not a
   blocking issue.

 . parted update is likely to happen before Lenny is release however
   we're still working at s390 fixing to get it done.

 . xorg update (in Lenny) is possible to happen during the release and
   we could re-add the reverted tasksel change that removes discover
   and like. We'd need to test it carefully to avoid problems for
   users.


Timeline
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The proposed timeline follows.

 Date What happens
  
 May 7, 2008  mass upload of translation updates
 May 11, 2008 mass migration of udebs
 May 13, 2008 debian-installer is uploaded
 May 17, 2008 daily images are changed to use lenny installer
 May 19, 2008 test of images starts
 May 25, 2008 final image builds
 May 27, 2008 planned release date

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Re: kernel 2.6.24 speakup

2008-03-25 Thread Otavio Salvador
Samuel Thibault [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Hello,

 Mario Lang, le Tue 25 Mar 2008 17:28:32 +0100, a écrit :
 Samuel Thibault [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  (speakup can now be compiled fully independently)
 
 linux-modules-extra-2.6 seems like the perfect place for speakup, now that it
 does not require the kernel to be patched anymore.

 Well, a small patch is still needed, but it just boils down to
 GPL-exporting 4 symbols, and that is already in the -mm tree, so
 backporting it to the debian kernel shouldn't be a problem..

It would be nice if you could talk to Debian Kernel Team (just added
it to cc list) and see if this could be added for next 2.6.24 upload
or later. That would allow the module to be build from
linux-modules-extra-2.6 and later to be added to d-i if needed.

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Re: kernel 2.6.24 speakup

2008-03-25 Thread Otavio Salvador
Samuel Thibault [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   2.6.24 window is closed anyway.
  
  You mean the upstream or the Debian?
 
 debian

 Ah, so since Lenny's d-i is supposed to use 2.6.24, speakup won't make
 it into it :/

Beta2 is probably going to be released with 2.6.24 but I guess lenny
will still be updated for 2.6.25/2.6.26 (up to kernel team to decide
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Re: Debian Installer Lenny Beta1: Status Update 4

2008-03-12 Thread Otavio Salvador
Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 +--+---+
 |   Date   | What happens  |
 +--+---+
 |March 8, 2008 |test of images starts  | =
 +--+---+
 |March 12, 2008|final image builds |
 +--+---+
 |March 16, 2008|planned release date   |
 +--+---+

Currently we're trying to get final images built but the building
machine has hardware issues and it's being worked on to get it solves
as soon as possible.

I'll mail you all once it has been solved and images are available for
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Debian Installer Lenny Beta1: Status Update 4

2008-03-09 Thread Otavio Salvador
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Hello,

Here goes a new status update about release.

Please respect the reply-to header and please follow up to debian-boot
mailing list.

Bellow is the updated timeline:

+--+---+
|   Date   | What happens  |
+--+---+
|March 8, 2008 |test of images starts  | =
+--+---+
|March 12, 2008|final image builds |
+--+---+
|March 16, 2008|planned release date   |
+--+---+

We are in good shape for the release. Few pending things to be done
before final images can be built.

We are late due the buildd and arm building problems that delayed the
installer build for much longer then expected and I am considering to
reduce the test of images starts step.

It would be great if you could try the _daily_ installer images[1]
(weekly builds are not yet up to date) and report any problem you
find. It is better to report full installation reports instead of
contacting us throught mailing list since it provides the needed
information to identify if it is or not an installer issue.

There are few things to do for it to be done:

 - get final images built and tested;
 - finish release announcement[2];
 - finish human readable changelog[3];

The Release Announcement and the Human Redable Changelog proposed
changes should be send to the mailing list before changed on the wiki
so we can coordinate them. If you could take a look on them and see if
you think something need to be changed/added/removed, feel free to
contact us.

Cheers,

1. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
2. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/ReleaseAnnounce
3. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/HumanReadableChangelogs/LennyBeta1

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Debian Installer Lenny Beta1: Status Update 3

2008-02-29 Thread Otavio Salvador
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Hello,

Here goes a new status update about release.

Please respect the reply-to header and please follow up to debian-boot
mailing list.

Bellow is the timeline we're following.

+--+---+
|   Date   | What happens  |
+--+---+
|February 5, 2007  |translation update request is send |
+--+---+
|February 15, 2007 |mass upload of translation updates |
+--+---+
|February 18, 2007 |mass migration of udebs| 
+--+---+
|February 19, 2007 |debian-installer is uploaded   | 
+--+---+
|February 21, 2007 |daily images are changed to use lenny installer| =
+--+---+
|February 23, 2007 |test of images starts  |
+--+---+
|March 1, 2007 |final image builds |
+--+---+
|March 3, 2007 |planned release date   |
+--+---+

As you probably have noticed, we're 8 days late.

We ended needing two uploads of debian-installer source package due a
arm failure and then we got even more late. I hope things go well from
now on and I expect to get debian-installer on testing, and dailies
using it in few days.

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Subject: Debian Installer Lenny Beta1: Status Update 3

2008-02-24 Thread Otavio Salvador
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Hello,

Here goes a new status update about release.

Please respect the reply-to header and please follow up to debian-boot
mailing list.

Bellow is the timeline we're following.

+--+---+
|   Date   | What happens  |
+--+---+
|February 5, 2007  |translation update request is send |
+--+---+
|February 15, 2007 |mass upload of translation updates |
+--+---+
|February 18, 2007 |mass migration of udebs| 
+--+---+
|February 19, 2007 |debian-installer is uploaded   | =
+--+---+
|February 21, 2007 |daily images are changed to use lenny installer|
+--+---+
|February 23, 2007 |test of images starts  |
+--+---+
|March 1, 2007 |final image builds |
+--+---+
|March 3, 2007 |planned release date   |
+--+---+

As you probably have noticed, we're 5 days late.

Basically, this was due buildd issues taking longer the expect.

I've sent debian-installer package and I will now try to get it built
for all arches as soon as possible so we can change dailies to use
those images.

I'll post another update when things changes again.

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Re: Future of the linux udebs

2008-02-21 Thread Otavio Salvador
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 On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 10:05:15PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
 Before I replay to the proposal and the various options, I have two 
 questions:
 1) Exactly what problem or problems is this proposal solving?

 This was no proposal, this was an announcement. We don't longer use this
 sort of source since we have one common source package for the kernels.

Calm down a bit Bastian. You can't change this without agrement from
d-i side.

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Re: Future of the linux udebs

2008-02-18 Thread Otavio Salvador
Frederik Schueler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

...
 I personally have a good relation with all active people in
 debian-kernel but I think that we might have a policy to avoid
 problems to happen. Good will isn't enough, IMO.

 We should decide case by case, considering what is best to get closer 
 to the release. 

 If adapting the concerned installer components to .24 takes too long and 
 requires developers to focus on other things than stabilizing the code 
 for beta1, we should indeed go with .22 for it, and so we can test
 2.6.24 on a stabilized installer in beta2.

That's the plan.

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Debian Installer Lenny Beta1: Status Update 2

2008-02-18 Thread Otavio Salvador
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Hello,

Here goes a new status update about release.

Please respect the reply-to header and please follow up to debian-boot
mailing list.

Bellow is the timeline we're following.

+--+---+
|   Date   | What happens  |
+--+---+
|February 5, 2007  |translation update request is send |
+--+---+
|February 15, 2007 |mass upload of translation updates |
+--+---+
|February 18, 2007 |mass migration of udebs| =
+--+---+
|February 19, 2007 |debian-installer is uploaded   |
+--+---+
|February 21, 2007 |daily images are changed to use lenny installer|
+--+---+
|February 23, 2007 |test of images starts  |
+--+---+
|March 1, 2007 |final image builds |
+--+---+
|March 3, 2007 |planned release date   |
+--+---+

We're supposed to be at mass migration step however some buildds are
late and this will delay the release a bit. Two modules that are
critical for this release aren't yet built for all architectures
(cdebconf and debian-installer-utils).

There are other modules that aren't yet built but those aren't so
critical for the release. I expect that tomorrow we have them all
built, we will see.

Other pending migration, that is a real blocker for the release, is
apt 0.7.11 that fixes the famous GRUB installation failure. This is
also blocked due missing architectures and I hope we get it on lenny
by tomorrow too.

I'm doing my best to avoid further delays, let's see how fast all
those go and I'll try to be as fast as possible to handle next steps.

As soon as a next step is done, I'll send another status update.

Stay tuned ;-)

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Re: Future of the linux udebs

2008-02-16 Thread Otavio Salvador
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Bastian Blank [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 04:40:47PM -0200, Otavio Salvador wrote:
 If a unwanted kernel is uploaded to sid and we wanted to update the
 udebs, for a release or something, we would end up doing it
 t-p-u. This would be done with minor testing and possible breaking
 lenny installer.

 So? If we need to update the kernel themself, it is also needed.

But it's obviously something to avoid.

I know that there're alternatives however it's not the best option.

  So your idea is to this list be placed inside each source package?
  It's the only solution which will not kill new versions without code to
  ignore udebs if the definitions are broken.
 Didn get you here. Could you elaborate it a bit?

 The list contains module X. This module got removed. What should happen
 with the build?
 - Fail silent. Ignore the error and don't output any udebs.
 - Fail loud.

 The first variant needs to be used if the list is included from an
 external source if it should not break it complete. I won't implement it
 because the build output is not longer reproducible.

I think it should fail loudly.

Yeah, after thinking more about it I figured that if we choose to go
for udebs being build by kernel source packages, we does need to have
it in the kernel package source.

 This
 would allow us to keep control about what would be end in d-i kernel
 modules packages.

 We have to process it anyway and will be able to change it in any way we
 want. This is called trust.

While I agree that it's suppose to work, I also think that it can
bring serious discussions like we had lately (because of 2.6.24
migration to testing).

If we were already using this schema, the Beta1 release would need to
delay since we do not have 2.6.22 on sid anymore.

For me, to think more about it, we need an agreement from kernel team
that d-i can veto uploads of kernel. Obviously d-i team won't deny any
upload with real reasons however this agreement this is a must from my
POV.

Let me express my conclusion up to now for this thread (even I still
want to see a comment from Colin, Joey and Frans on this):

 - if we choose to go with kernel sources building udebs, k-w is dead;
 - kernel team needs to accept nacks from d-i team for badly time
   uploads (this is a must);
 - time needed for migration to new kernel would be reduced a lot;
 - tests would be need, for d-i, from snapshots of kernel;

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Re: Future of the linux udebs

2008-02-16 Thread Otavio Salvador
Frederik Schueler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Hello,

 On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 12:31:05PM -0200, Otavio Salvador wrote:
 Bastian Blank [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  - Is impossible to release d-i with a different kernel from sid
without a lot of hassle
  - If a bad kernel, with a bunch of ugly bugs, gets uploaded, all d-i
development is affected

 This last item is where I worry a lot. Obviously, kernel team want to
 put newest kernel on sid however, when he does it, d-i will be forced
 to change it too.

 Coordination is already needed now, and will be needed even more when
 this change is implemented. 
 If this means waiting with a new upstream kernel version for a week or 
 two until the next beta of d-i is done, we will of course wait, no one
 wants to break d-i development by purpose.

Exactly however for that to work we, d-i team, need to be able to nack
a kernel upload.

Please read the thread we had about 2.6.24 kernel testing
migration... this is what worries me.

 For it to work testing images, _before_ the kernel
 upload to happen, would be required to at least reduce the risk of a
 kernel upload to stop all d-i development until it gets fixed.

 We have the kernel-snapshots archive to test new images before uploading
 them. This infrastructure could be extended, by adding buildds for all 
 missing architectures, and whatever else is needed to get daily d-i
 snapshots built with these kernels. 

Yes, that's one thing that do like. This would allow us to have a
current d-i image and one using the next kernel, just released.

 Another thihk that I see as a _must_ is that d-i team could nack a
 kernel upload. This is requred since d-i won't be allowed to diverge
 from sid kernels anymore (I mean during development) and those
 migrations would need to be much more coordinated with d-i RM and d-i
 porters.

 Nobody will insist on uploading a new kernel version if this breaks the 
 release schedule, just think of 2.6.19, which never was uploaded to the
 archive because we where in the middle of releasing etch. 

I guess so but we had a hard time about 2.6.24.

This needs to get an agreement from both sides to be able to work.

I personally have a good relation with all active people in
debian-kernel but I think that we might have a policy to avoid
problems to happen. Good will isn't enough, IMO.

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Re: Please add following hint to block linux-2.6 until Beta1 is out

2008-02-15 Thread Otavio Salvador
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Neil McGovern [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 04:49:51PM -0200, Otavio Salvador wrote:
 I hereby ask for a block on linux-2.6 source package until d-i Beta1
 gets out. If it migrates before we do the final images we can need to
 delay d-i release.
 

 Block added, but I'd like to stress the urgency of getting beta1 out so
 that 2.6.24 can migrate without any further delays.

We're all doing our best. I do also want to get 2.6.24 out and Beta2
moving as soon as possible.

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Re: Future of the linux udebs

2008-02-15 Thread Otavio Salvador
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While I'm not nacking it right now, I nack it to happen before Beta2
with 2.6.24 gets out.

...
 Build the udebs from the linux-2.6/linux-modules-extra-2.6 sources.
 Pros:
 - Only one step.
 - Problems in the module selection can be found during the kernel development
   cycle. This includes added modules.
 Cons for the kernel team:
 - Another list to handle and which will kill the build if someone got
   it wrong.
 - The additional configs for the build can't be checked without a real
   build.
 Cons for the d-i team:
 - They have to trust another instance to don't get it completely
   wrong.
 - Changes in the module selection may need a full rebuild.
 - Out-of-dateness of modules and buildsystem during the introdution of a
   new abiname.
  - Is impossible to release d-i with a different kernel from sid
without a lot of hassle
  - If a bad kernel, with a bunch of ugly bugs, gets uploaded, all d-i
development is affected

This last item is where I worry a lot. Obviously, kernel team want to
put newest kernel on sid however, when he does it, d-i will be forced
to change it too. For it to work testing images, _before_ the kernel
upload to happen, would be required to at least reduce the risk of a
kernel upload to stop all d-i development until it gets fixed.

Another thihk that I see as a _must_ is that d-i team could nack a
kernel upload. This is requred since d-i won't be allowed to diverge
from sid kernels anymore (I mean during development) and those
migrations would need to be much more coordinated with d-i RM and d-i
porters.

linux-2.6/linux-modules-extra-2.6 would build the udebs using what
list? Still using kernel-wedge?

How the uploads of kernel would be coordinated? Will kernel team allow
d-i to _nack_ a kernel upload?

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Re: Future of the linux udebs

2008-02-15 Thread Otavio Salvador
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 On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 12:31:05PM -0200, Otavio Salvador wrote:
...
   - Is impossible to release d-i with a different kernel from sid
 without a lot of hassle

 d-i releases are built with testing udebs. Or do you mean something
 else?

Not during development cycle.

And the udebs on testing migrated to it from sid. I hope to not need
to do uploads to t-p-u for d-i kernel ;-)

...
   - If a bad kernel, with a bunch of ugly bugs, gets uploaded, all d-i
 development is affected

 If a bad glibc is uploaded, anything is affected. With such sort of
 arguments you can kill anything because the propability that something
 will get wrong is always larger than zero. We do a lot to not let really
 broken things through and I don't think you will be able to catch more
 problems.

Right. But it is a cons since currently we only migrate to the new
kernel when it's already widly tested on sid.

   For it to work testing images, _before_ the kernel
 upload to happen, would be required to at least reduce the risk of a
 kernel upload to stop all d-i development until it gets fixed.

 We provide a snapshots archive which can be used through the whole
 development cycle.

Yes, right. We'd need to setup some way to get d-i builds against
those images and do testing using it before major kernel version
uploads.

 Another thihk that I see as a _must_ is that d-i team could nack a
 kernel upload. This is requred since d-i won't be allowed to diverge
 from sid kernels anymore (I mean during development) and those
 migrations would need to be much more coordinated with d-i RM and d-i
 porters.

 We coordinate the uploads on d-kernel@, for security uploads the waiting
 period is usualy a lot shorter. If someone have a problem, he can speak
 up and his concerns will get heard.

I'm not wondering about security uploads but about ABI changes and
major kernel version updates. Those would need to be coordinated on
debian-boot too.

I guess that a notice about upload, few days before, to debian-boot ml
should be enough, for ABI changes. For major versions, we'd need much
larger coordination since it would affect whole d-i.

Obviously, as already spot by you, we can get images built against the
kernel snapshots but we'd need  to get an infrastructure to get d-i
images built against it and tested before approval for the kernel
upload.

 linux-2.6/linux-modules-extra-2.6 would build the udebs using what
 list? Still using kernel-wedge?

 They need to include the list themself, it will get version dependant.

So your idea is to this list be placed inside each source package?

This means kernel-wedge will be useless and _any_ change would be need
to be done on kernel team svn. This is a big regression from my POV
since d-i team does need to be able to change the list by himself.

 How the uploads of kernel would be coordinated? Will kernel team allow
 d-i to _nack_ a kernel upload?

 Not for uploads which fixes bugs like CVE-2008-0600. A nack without
 anything may also not have any effect. But if there are concerns we
 should be able to find a solution which both sides can live with.

I agree that security uploads are exception here however any other ABI
or major version update would must to be acked by d-i team. This looks
logical since we'll be directly affected by it and the installer might
break.

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Re: Future of the linux udebs

2008-02-15 Thread Otavio Salvador
Bastian Blank [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 02:13:02PM -0200, Otavio Salvador wrote:
...
 And the udebs on testing migrated to it from sid. I hope to not need
 to do uploads to t-p-u for d-i kernel ;-)

 I still don't get you.

Kernel udebs on testing came from sid. So they're suppose to be
uploaded there and migrate.

If a unwanted kernel is uploaded to sid and we wanted to update the
udebs, for a release or something, we would end up doing it
t-p-u. This would be done with minor testing and possible breaking
lenny installer.

That's why it should be avoided as possible.

  linux-2.6/linux-modules-extra-2.6 would build the udebs using what
  list? Still using kernel-wedge?
  They need to include the list themself, it will get version dependant.
 So your idea is to this list be placed inside each source package?

 It's the only solution which will not kill new versions without code to
 ignore udebs if the definitions are broken.

Didn get you here. Could you elaborate it a bit?

 This means kernel-wedge will be useless and _any_ change would be need
 to be done on kernel team svn.

 The list needs to be available during build of the source package, it is
 not possible to change them after that.

Sure. But it could be available from kernel-wedge or something? This
would allow us to keep control about what would be end in d-i kernel
modules packages.

This is a big regression from my POV
 since d-i team does need to be able to change the list by himself.

 There are two sorts of changes:
 - Modules got renamed/merged/removed.
   This will kill the build if not fixed, so we need to be able to do
   such changes on ourself.

Right.

 - Modules got added.
   This may have an effect, but usualy it is new hardware support.

 Now please explain why you _need_ to change that directly and produce
 the following workflow
 mailto:d-i, commit, upload k-w, mailto:kernel, commit, upload l
 instead of
 mailto:kernel, commit, upload l.
 This is a classical indirection.

The problem of doing it directly inside of kernel is that we'll lose
the control of what is being deployed and we'll then need to get
informated about every change inside of kernel packages to get this
information sorted out.

If this could be done from a d-i package (k-w or anything) it gives us
a cannonical place to look at and don't force us to follow another
commit mailing list to get the need information.

 This looks
 logical since we'll be directly affected by it and the installer might
 break.

 Everything might break.

And we need to try to avoid it as possible.

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Debian Installer Lenny Beta1: Status Update 1

2008-02-14 Thread Otavio Salvador
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Hello,

This mail tries to inform interest people where we are and what's
missing. As you can bet, it's a long mail.

Please respect the reply-to header and please follow up to debian-boot
mailing list.

Bellow is the timeline we're following.

+--+---+
|   Date   | What happens  |
+--+---+
|February 5, 2007  |translation update request is send |
+--+---+
|February 15, 2007 |mass upload of translation updates | =
+--+---+
|February 18, 2007 |mass migration of udebs|
+--+---+
|February 19, 2007 |debian-installer is uploaded   |
+--+---+
|February 21, 2007 |daily images are changed to use lenny installer|
+--+---+
|February 23, 2007 |test of images starts  |
+--+---+
|March 1, 2007 |final image builds |
+--+---+
|March 3, 2007 |planned release date   |
+--+---+

Translations are synced on svn repository, from master files, at 22:47
UTC and all porters and main maintainers of packages should check
their packages and see if they have pending l10n updates after the
sync commit.

There're 51 packages (right now) that falls into this category. You
can check the full list using the script available in our svn
repository at scripts/l10n/list-unreleased-l10n-only.

All team help on this is important since it's a huge list of packages.

Today I've also uploaded tasksel reverting the xorg related change
otherwise we wouldn't be able to use the lastest tasksel version of
tasks for Beta1. This should go to testing in a cuple of days.

Another thing that we all need to get done is the release announce
text. A draft has been written and team people is welcome to send
improvements for it. Several XXX items remain open to be fixed there
and I'm sure people can help to get it done.

Bellow goes the current general status update.

New stuff
=

 * All architectures have moved to 2.6.22;
 
Solved issues
=

 * Progress bar will not restart from zero several times during the
   phase where the base system is installed.

General issues
==

 * Time out on NTP server connection is too long (#448871])

 * option to use relatime does not work because busybox' mount
   command does not support it (#460824])

Kernel status
=

 * linux-modules-di-m68k-2.6 isn't uploaded due the lack of loop-aes
   and squashfs since linux-headers lack modules.lds files (#402061).

Blockers for Beta1 release
==

 * loop-aes is missing in testing (debs, not udebs)

Blockers for final release
==

 * linux-libc-dev has type declaration conflict (#434040, #435700)
   (ignored for beta1 since a workaround is used)

 * m68k has floppy flavors disabled due a full-disk. (ignored since
   m68k isn't a release-set arch)

 * installer doesn't start on mips and mipsel if using mklibs
   (#445507) (ignored for beta1 since a workaround is used)

 * dependencies of excluded packages on the cd, making netinst huge
   (#410418) (worked around in debian-cd by no longer including
   alternative dependencies by default)

I hope it gives a better overview of all things happening behind the
scenes and what you can do to help us to get the release out.

Cheers,
Otavio Salvador
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Please add following hint to block linux-2.6 until Beta1 is out

2008-02-14 Thread Otavio Salvador
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Hello RM and SRM teams,

I hereby ask for a block on linux-2.6 source package until d-i Beta1
gets out. If it migrates before we do the final images we can need to
delay d-i release.

As discussed[1] previously at debian-boot we've decided to stay at
2.6.22 for this release and do a release as fast as possible with
2.6.24.

1. http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2008/02/msg00012.html

Cheers,

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Re: Please add following hint to block linux-2.6 until Beta1 is out

2008-02-14 Thread Otavio Salvador
maximilian attems [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Otavio Salvador wrote:
 
 Hello RM and SRM teams,
 
 I hereby ask for a block on linux-2.6 source package until d-i Beta1
 gets out. If it migrates before we do the final images we can need to
 delay d-i release.

 nacked as maintainer,
 you are blocking for more then 2 weeks linux-2.6 migration to testing.
 we need massife testing of 2.6.24 for etch+half, sid is not enough.

 also 2.6.22 was meant to be ready 4 month ago, sorry but
 that schedule is over.
  
 As discussed[1] previously at debian-boot we've decided to stay at
 2.6.22 for this release and do a release as fast as possible with
 2.6.24.
 
 1. http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2008/02/msg00012.html

 very bad decision 2.6.24 is needed for a lot of recent hardware,
 d-i doesn't install on those.

All your comments are right and that's why a Beta2 release is
scheduled for just after Beta1 is out.

The idea is to release Lenny Beta2 with bugfixes for Beta1 issues and
kernel update only.

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Re: Please add following hint to block linux-2.6 until Beta1 is out

2008-02-14 Thread Otavio Salvador
Philippe Cloutier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Le February 14, 2008 01:56:55 pm maximilian attems, vous avez écrit :
 On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Otavio Salvador wrote:
  Hello RM and SRM teams,
 
  I hereby ask for a block on linux-2.6 source package until d-i Beta1
  gets out. If it migrates before we do the final images we can need to
  delay d-i release.

 nacked as maintainer,
 you are blocking for more then 2 weeks linux-2.6 migration to testing.
 linux-2.6 can't migrate to testing with normal delays before 2008-02-21. The 
 planned beta release on 2008-03-03 is 11 days later.

 Also, this assumes that linux-2.6 2.6.24-4 will migrate to testing. In 
 reality, it's unlikely that linux-2.6 would migrate before March.

I know it and this is one of major reasons we choosen 2.6.22 for Beta1
and want to make Beta2 sonner. This gives time for kernel to mature on
sid and we to test d-i. Beta2 should be a nice release for Etch+Halt
to trust.

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Re: Please add following hint to block linux-2.6 until Beta1 is out

2008-02-14 Thread Otavio Salvador
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maximilian attems [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Philippe Cloutier wrote:

 linux-2.6 can't migrate to testing with normal delays before 2008-02-21. The 
 planned beta release on 2008-03-03 is 11 days later.
 
 Also, this assumes that linux-2.6 2.6.24-4 will migrate to testing. In 
 reality, it's unlikely that linux-2.6 would migrate before March.

 that is totally untrue.
 linux-2.6 always needs hint from the release team to migrate.
 properly set up it can happen in less then a week.

So it puts even more urgency to the block. If it migrates we'll be in
bad shape for Beta1 release.

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Re: Beta1 missing decisions and possible timeline

2008-02-05 Thread Otavio Salvador
Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Given we're doing a beta based on 2.6.22 now, how quickly could we get
 another beta based on 2.6.24 out?  Can you be done relatively quickly
 after the beta based on 2.6.22?

I guess we can.

d-i itself isn't receiving deeply changes latelly (except latest Frans
partman improvements but that has been very well test by him, as
usual) and other minor things. I guess we could do another in begin of
April or so, dunno for sure.

 Another solution would be to backport Orion support from 2.6.25 to
 2.6.24.

Do you know how difficult would be to do that?

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Re: Beta1 missing decisions and possible timeline

2008-02-03 Thread Otavio Salvador
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With all comments that has been sent to this thread, I've changed the
timeline to the following:

+--+---+
|   Date   | What happens  |
+--+---+
|February 5, 2007  |translation update request is send |
+--+---+
|February 15, 2007 |mass upload of translation updates |
+--+---+
|February 15, 2007 |kernel, modules and their udebs hitted testing |
+--+---+
|February 18, 2007 |mass migration of udebs|
+--+---+
|February 19, 2007 |debian-installer is uploaded   |
+--+---+
|February 21, 2007 |daily images are changed to use lenny installer|
+--+---+
|February 23, 2007 |test of images starts  |
+--+---+
|March 1, 2007 |final image builds |
+--+---+
|March 3, 2007 |planned release date   |
+--+---+

As suggested by Frans, with many good points, we'll release with
2.6.22 but just after it, we'll start to work to release another beta
with 2.6.24 kernel.

Please ack this timeline and comment on it. I guess we're ok now.

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Re: D-I Etch+1/2 kernel selection

2008-02-03 Thread Otavio Salvador
Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

...
 Because of changes in the installation procedure since I implemented 
 the sarge-support udeb, I first needed to ensure installation of the 
 etch-support udeb is queued in cdrom-detect and iso-scan. With that, we 
 will have the following situation:
 - cdrom-detect: queues etch-support for netinst and full CDs
 - iso-scan: queues etch-support for hd-media
 - choose-mirror: queues etch-support for netboot/floppy-net/businesscard CD

Those patches looks OK for commiting right now from my point of view.

...
 I then added a hack in base-installer which does the following.
 If the (new) debconf template base-installer/kernel/altmeta has a value 
 (e.g. 'etchnhalf'), it will add new potential kernel defaults before the 
 the normal kernel defaults, with that value postfixed.
 I.e, if the normal possible defaults are:

I think that prefmeta (preferred metapackage) is more logical for the
template name from my point of view. I'd like to get a comment from
Christian since he always gives good suggestions on this cases :-)

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Re: Beta1 missing decisions and possible timeline

2008-02-02 Thread Otavio Salvador
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Otavio Salvador wrote:
We have 2.6.22 as a safe bed on lenny now and their udebs are there
too however since EtchAndHalf intends to release with 2.6.24 and it
has been uploaded to sid already I'm considering a better option to
us to release with it.
 
linux-2.6 has been built in all architectures and
linux-modules-extra-2.6 has been fastly processed (thanks
ftpmasters) and then we could manage to get a massbuild done in few
days (+- 5 of febuary or even before). I've started to check the
new modules and prepare the patches for kernel-wedge for it and
hope to get it ready for tomorrow or so.

 It's far to early to switch d-i to 2.6.24, especially since it drops
 support for most of /proc/acpi, including the parts used by
 laptop-detect.

I've uploaded laptop-detect with this fixed (using your provided
patch) so it is solved on sid now.

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Beta1 missing decisions and possible timeline

2008-01-31 Thread Otavio Salvador
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[ Reply-To adjusted to debian-boot so we can keep this discussion in a
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Hello folks,

I've been working at migrations of packages for lenny and I think
we're more or less fine to define a timeline to the end of Febuary for
the release of Beta1.

This is going to be my first release as d-i RM and so I'm a bit
nervous and doing small mistakes (as everybody has probably noticed
already).

There're few open questions that I'd like to discuss here before we
make it:

 - kernel to release

   We have 2.6.22 as a safe bed on lenny now and their udebs are there
   too however since EtchAndHalf intends to release with 2.6.24 and it
   has been uploaded to sid already I'm considering a better option to
   us to release with it.

   linux-2.6 has been built in all architectures and
   linux-modules-extra-2.6 has been fastly processed (thanks
   ftpmasters) and then we could manage to get a massbuild done in few
   days (+- 5 of febuary or even before). I've started to check the
   new modules and prepare the patches for kernel-wedge for it and
   hope to get it ready for tomorrow or so.

 - e2fsprogs inode size change

   Lastest release[1] changed the default inode size to 256
   bytes. This is not yet on lenny but is already available on sid and
   will hit lenny in few days.

   1. http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/e2fsprogs-release.html#1.40.5

   Currently, there's a know problem with GRUB[2] and the safest solution
   is to change the current inode size back to 128 bytes using -I
   option of mke2fs for Beta1 release and then work on GRUB or GRUB2
   to support it for lenny Beta2 release with 256 bytes again.

   2. http://bugs.debian.org/463236

Please, I'd like to ask for comments on above points so we can decide
about the timeline.

The current timeline that looks sane is:

+-+---+
|Date |What happens   |
+-+---+
|2/1/2007 |translation update request is send |
+-+---+
|2/15/2007|mass upload of translation updates |
+-+---+
|2/15/2007|kernel, modules and their udebs hitted testing |
+-+---+
|2/16/2007|mass migration of udebs|
+-+---+
|2/17/2007|debian-installer is uploaded   |
+-+---+
|2/19/2007|daily images are changed to use lenny installer|
+-+---+
|2/21/2007|test of images starts  |
+-+---+
|2/27/2007|final image builds |
+-+---+
|3/1/2007 |planned release date   |
+-+---+

Obviously, to be able to get there, we all need to work together. This
means that d-i team, kernel team, release team, and package
maintainers of packages that builds udebs will need to work closely
those days and cooperate each other.

One thing that could delay whole release is the migration of xorg
package to testing. It needs to go otherwise we won't have desktop
installation properly working on Beta1 since we don't use discover1
and xresprobe for detection anymore.

I'm sure we all can do that and I'll do my best to work closely of you
all too.

What people say?

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Bug#454604: linux-2.6: Xen kernel packages for 2.6.22

2007-12-07 Thread Otavio Salvador
Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 * Brian Almeida:

 I've been unable to find an official debian kernel which has
 Xen supporter after 2.6.18-5 (released with etch).  While I realize
 there were changes in later kernels that complicated the patches,
 Ubuntu has had Xen support for 2.6.22 for nearly 3 months (see
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/132726).

 Can you please integrate their Xen patchesets into the official Debian
 kernels?

 The XenSource upstream is sort-of defunct these days.  For some
 background information, see:

 https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-xen/2007-November/msg00106.html
 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XenPvops

Indeed.

Looks like XEN will have bad days until it's done for paravirt_ops
then :-)

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Bug#454604: linux-2.6: Xen kernel packages for 2.6.22

2007-12-06 Thread Otavio Salvador
maximilian attems [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 01:38:15PM -0500, Brian Almeida wrote:
 Debian can't be the only Linux distribution out there
 trying to get Xen working on the latest kernels properly...

 until now this bug report has only hot air, aka useless.
 yes there exist other that moan about xen.
 bug upstream or test a patch that is worthwile.

I'm sure that Ubuntu or fedoraa is probably already doing some work to
get it ported (iif has not done it already) to 2.6.23. I think it
would be worth to take a look there and see if they have it done.

maks, could you apply it if we manage to find a patch for 2.6.23?

 hint kvm is cool.

It doesn't change the bug regarting the regression about the features
when comparing with etch kernel. ;-)

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Bug#451367: installation-reports: Does not allow ethernet over firewire

2007-11-16 Thread Otavio Salvador
Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 (Moving thread to cloned BR.)

 On Thursday 15 November 2007, you wrote:
 the new stack is very promising,
 we will reconsider later if no eth1394 shows up,
 for now that's just a minor regression.

 No, that is not a minor regression. Half the functionality of the old 
 drivers is missing!

Maks, please revert it until it has this regression solved.

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Re: 2.6.22-6 upload

2007-11-04 Thread Otavio Salvador
maximilian attems [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 unless objection or people having something queued,
 i'll upload today after checking buildserver builds
 of current sid.

 it has the last 2.6.22 stable updates.

Please do it asap. :-)

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Bug#447611: update-initramfs triggerisation

2007-10-23 Thread Otavio Salvador
maximilian attems [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   +binary-install/initramfs-tools::
   +install -m 644 -o 0 -g 0 debian/initramfs-tools.triggers \
   +debian/initramfs-tools/DEBIAN/triggers
  
  no i-t uses cdbs,
  please add to debian/initramfs-tools.install
  but maybe i misread and there is no cdbs support for that yet??
 
 Stuffing files into DEBIAN/ with .install seemed a bit wrong to me,
 and I thought this approach with a hook was better.
 
 In the future I imagine debhelper will copy package.triggers into
 the right place itself.

 debhelper does it according to joeyh,
 i haven't looked yet at how i'd have to invoke it.

http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/debhelper/news/20071022T181701Z.html

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Debian Installer Status Update - October 11th 2007

2007-10-11 Thread Otavio Salvador
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= New stuff =

 * win32-loader has been added to daily CD images and is now used for
   autorun too;
 * multipath-udeb and libaio1-udeb have been introduced but are being
   excluded from CD builds since they're not being used yet;
 * dhcp-client-udeb has been excluded from CD images since
   dhcp3-client-udeb migration is over;
 * weekly CD/DVD builds have been enabled again (using sid d-i, by
   now).
 * netinst images were huge due to debian-cd including dependencies of
   excluded packages (#410418).
 * cdebconf has received a lot of code refactoring, plugin system had
   deeply changes and gtk frontend has been rewritten.
 * cdebconf-entropy has been updated to use the new plugin system;
 * mklibs has fixed our building errors due a lack of symbols;

= Resolved breakage in daily builds =

 * newt had issues with time changing (#436497) but a workaround is
   implemented in clock-setup when updating time during installation
   (#436340);
 * g{++,cc}-multilib priority is now lower than standard (#424924).
 
= General issues =

 * Chinese (and Japanese/Korean) texts issue in slang2 (#425835) is
   still there;
 * klibc doesn't build on sparc (#440721)

= Kernel status =

 * All architectures has moved to 2.6.22 except m68k;
 * linux-modules-di-m68k-2.6 isn't uploaded due the lack of loop-aes
   and squashfs since linux-headers lack modules.lds files (#402061).

= Blockers for final release =

 * Regressions in cleaning old LVM partitions (#425829);
 * sparc kernel seems to produces unkillable processes (#433187).
 * linux-libc-dev has type declaration conflict (#434040, #435700)
   ('''ignored for beta1 since a workaround is used''')
 * m68k has floppy flavours disabled due a full-disk. ('''ignored
   since m68k isn't a release-set arch''')

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Re: Preparing another 2.6.22 upload

2007-10-08 Thread Otavio Salvador
Bastian Blank [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Sat, Oct 06, 2007 at 08:30:42PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
 We need to add the last few stable update for 2.6.22.  Any volunteers?

 No. We need license and SC fixes.

SC? It's not worse what we have now so I'd consider it for 2.6.23
instead of blocking it due this now.

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Re: Preparing another 2.6.22 upload

2007-10-06 Thread Otavio Salvador
Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Now that 2.6.22 is finally in testing, we should start planning to
 upload 2.6.22-5.  This update is definitely needed on mips since it
 fixes two important bugs:

  - #444104: Kernel crashes on boot on IP32 (SGI O2): this kernel
flavour currently doesn't work at all.
  - qemu NE2000 doesn't work on mips

 We need to add the last few stable update for 2.6.22.  Any volunteers?

After it, we'd need another udeb uploading cicle. IIRC last stable
updates also changes ABI, don't they?

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Re: Preparing another 2.6.22 upload

2007-10-06 Thread Otavio Salvador
Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 * maximilian attems [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-10-06 21:29]:
  Now that 2.6.22 is finally in testing, we should start planning to
  upload 2.6.22-5.  This update is definitely needed on mips since it
  fixes two important bugs:
 
 i don't get your premise.
 and 2.6.23 doesn't fix those?

 It does, but the d-i beta1 will be based on 2.6.22 so we need a
 working 2.6.22.  Also, it's not clear how long 2.6.23 will take to
 reach testing (just look at 2.6.22) and IP32 (SGI O2) is completely
 broken with 2.6.22 - that's definitely worth an upgrade.  Of course,
 the 2.6.22.x stable updates are important for users too.

I agree with this. 2.6.23 is not out of question for beta1 but we
can't trust it and we need 2.6.22 to be ready as a safe bed.

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Re: [stable] kernel upload to p-u

2007-09-17 Thread Otavio Salvador
dann frazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Both #317258 and #410817 are showing activity now, but its difficult
 to predict when they will be resolved. In the meantime, I'm going to
 upload our current set of changes to proposed-updates so we can
 increase the testing pool. If these issues get resolved in time for
 r2, there's not reason we can't do a -15.

This means it's a good time to start to work on udeb updates for -14?

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Re: [stable] kernel upload to p-u

2007-09-14 Thread Otavio Salvador
dann frazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 If this looks correct, I'll submit it upstream and then we can
 look at backporting it into a stable update.

It looks like you've defined the HP_NETRAID[12]M_SUBSYS_DID constansts
however forgot to change to code to use them and on the if you use the
device ids directly on _mbox.c. I hadn't check if megaraid.h is
included on it but it looks logical to be and hence would be better to
use the defined names.

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Re: [stable] kernel upload to p-u

2007-09-14 Thread Otavio Salvador
Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 dann frazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 If this looks correct, I'll submit it upstream and then we can
 look at backporting it into a stable update.

 It looks like you've defined the HP_NETRAID[12]M_SUBSYS_DID constansts
 however forgot to change to code to use them and on the if you use the
 device ids directly on _mbox.c. I hadn't check if megaraid.h is
 included on it but it looks logical to be and hence would be better to
 use the defined names.

Let me rephrase it, it was confusing ... sorry

It looks like you've defined the HP_NETRAID[12]M_SUBSYS_DID on
megaraid.h however didn't use them at megaraid_mbox.c. I hadn't check
if megaraid.h is included on it but it looks logical to be and hence
would be better to use this defined names.

.oO( much better now :P )

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Bug#440720: [SPARC]: non-SMP kernel fail on SunFIres with = 2 CPUs

2007-09-13 Thread Otavio Salvador
Bernd Zeimetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Hi,

 Looks like we need to discuss the available options for this
 problem. Other issue is to know if current snapshots of 2.6.23 does
 work or not on this hardware.
 
 Bernd, can you test lastest 2.6.23 snapshot and see if it works? Check
 at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel for more information where to
 find them.

 I've installed the machine using a 2.6.23-rc5 _smp_ kernel, all older
 non-smp kernels failed to boot, and as Ihad to build my own installer
 and kernel anyway I've decided to use an smp version.

Have you tested it witn a non-smp kernel?

 As it takes a _long_ time to reboot a machine with a crashed CPU
 (which was the result of all non-SMP kernel tests so far), and the
 machine should be in production yet, I would like to avoid to try a
 non-smp kernel on this machine.

Right. It makes difficult to us to know if has or not been fixed since
your last try.

 I've looked trough the sparc64 commits (about 80) between 2.6.22 and
 2.6.23-rc6 and there was non which looked like it would address such an
 issue. If you can point me to such a change I'll give a non-smp kernel a
 try.

Right :(

 Also I'm pretty sure that non-smp kernels just don't work on the
 machine. As far as I understand the way those machines work is that at
 least two CPUs have to be in an operating state as they share one CPU
 Data switch (if you have a look into such a machine you see that always
 2 CPUs + their memory are sitting in a CPU bay, and as far as I know you
 can't run the system with an odd number of CPUs.
 All processors share the same pysical memory address space and use -
 depending on the number of CPUs - different cache coherence protocols,
 so as far as I understand it such a system can't work at all without
 having all CPUs properly initialized. But probably somebody with a
 better knowledge about this architecture can give us some insight on
 that, therefore I'm forwarding the message to debian-sparc, too.

 Probably interesting to read for you:
 http://www.sun.com/processors/manuals/USIIIv2.pdf
 http://docs-pdf.sun.com/806-6592-11/806-6592-11.pdf

If that's true then we might have two options:

 - add a subarch for sparc with the needed kernel changes for it;
 - change default kernel on installer to be smp;

What other think about that? (added debian-boot on cc due this)

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Debian Installer Status Update - August 31th 2007

2007-08-31 Thread Otavio Salvador
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New stuff
- -

 * New virtual package 'keyboard-setup' has been introduced to allow
   easy testing of console-setup. Previously, auto-install forced
   kbd-chooser to get in the image.

 * Default to not using a mirror if the user selected to not configure
   the network in netcfg.

 * Integrate win32-loader utility.

Resolved breakage in daily builds
- -

 * amd64 CD images had problems on boot script that has been fixed.

 * multiarch (i386, amd64) CD images failed to build due same boot
   script bug from amd64 CD images above and are now fixed too.

 * arm (ads_cf) had a build-failure has been resolved.
 
Currently broken daily builds
- -

 * m68k has a build-failure on the floppy flavours due a full-disk.

 * mips and mipsel builds are still broken.

 * The installation problem due the missing symbols still exists in
   some architectures since the conflict between libc-dev and
   linux-libc-dev (IIUC) isn't resolved yet (#434040).

 * sparc lenny CD images are failing due a lack of image on the
   mirror. The cause of it is the sparc32 removal.

Other issues
- 

 * Chinese (and Japanese/Korean) texts issue in slang2 (#425835) is
   still there.

 * Regressions in cleaning old LVM partitions (#425829) unfixed as
   well.

 * newt has issues with time changing (#436497) which has broken
   clock-setup when updating time during installation (#436340).

 * console-setup has problems with Esperanto language due a lack of
   unicore/PVA.pl module on perl-base (#437142).

Kernel status
- -

 * linux-modules-di-m68k-2.6 isn't uploaded due the lack of loop-aes
   and squashfs since linux-headers lack modules.lds files (#402061).

 * hppa has been switched to 2.6.21 but the kernel is currently
   affected by #431773, #427398, #433768 - all marked as pending.

 * sparc kernel seems to produces unkillable processes (#433187).

Installation Images
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 * netinst images are huge due debian-cd inclusion of excluded packages
   dependencies (#410418).

 * weekly CD builds for sparc are broken.

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Re: Reorganizing packages

2007-08-23 Thread Otavio Salvador
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 For that matter, if someone in the project decides that they have need for a
 different kernel than the one the kernel team wants to ship (for a
 particular port, or to support older hardware, or to support a newer
 cutting-edge kernel design, or for some other reason), the kernel team
 doesn't have the authority to prohibit this.

Yes, kernel team has no authorit to prohibit it but at same time,
since there's not need for it now and neither in a near future, kernel
team can also do the package renaming and ignore this possibility.

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Re: Reorganizing packages

2007-08-22 Thread Otavio Salvador
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 02:21:18PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 02:11:48AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
  I object; if and when there ever is a new upstream kernel branch that we
  want to track separately this would have to be reverted,

 No. We never had complete support for more than one branch. And I really
 doubt that anyone wants the sarge-maintenance-problem back.

 No, I'm sure we don't want it; but if upstream ever changes its mind later
 about 2.6 being the one true kernel, we might still have it.

I agree with you Steve and personally I don't see any good reason for
dropping it.

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Re: Reorganizing packages

2007-08-22 Thread Otavio Salvador
Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 02:21:18PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 02:11:48AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
  I object; if and when there ever is a new upstream kernel branch that we
  want to track separately this would have to be reverted,

 No. We never had complete support for more than one branch. And I really
 doubt that anyone wants the sarge-maintenance-problem back.

 No, I'm sure we don't want it; but if upstream ever changes its mind later
 about 2.6 being the one true kernel, we might still have it.

 I agree with you Steve and personally I don't see any good reason for
 dropping it.

After talking with maks at IRC I've changed my mind and now I agree on
the renaming.

The only good reason that I still have to keep it is due GIT tree name
but I don't think it's a requirement to us to follow it.

experimental might be used if we had a linux-2.7 or something while
it's not OK for sid and Maks and Bastian agree that we're not going to
have more the one kernel source on the distro anymore so there's no
more need to allow this diversion.

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Debian Installer Status Update - August 10th 2007

2007-08-10 Thread Otavio Salvador
New stuff
-

 * volatile support has been added.

 * g-i use dejavu for rendering Georgian text. Bug #435970 has been
   reported asking for udeb removal.

 * weekly builds has been enabled again and are now using sid
   installer.

 * partman now uses relatime mount option by default.

Resolved breakage in daily builds
-

 * arm (ads_cf) had a build-failure has been resolved.
 
 * i386 amd m68k build failure due a change on genext2fs commandline.

Currently broken daily builds
-

 * m68k has a build-failure on the floppy flavours due a full-disk.

 * mips and mipsel builds are still broken.

 * The installation problem due the missing symbols still exists in
   some architectures since the conflict between libc-dev and
   linux-libc-dev (IIUC) isn't resolved yet (#434040).

 * amd64 CD images are currently problem due a error on boot-amd64
   script.

 * multiarch (i386, amd64) CD images are currently problem due a error
   on boot script.

 * sparc lenny CD images are failing due a lack of image on the
   mirror.

Other issues


 * Chinese (and Japanese/Korean) texts issue in slang2 (#425835) is
   still there.

 * Regressions in cleaning old LVM partitions (#425829) unfixed as
   well.

 * newt has issues with time changing (#436497) which has broken
   clock-setup when updating time during installation (#436340).

Kernel status
-

 * linux-modules-di-m68k-2.6 isn't uploaded due the lack of loop-aes
   and squashfs since linux-headers lack modules.lds files (#402061).

 * hppa has been switched to 2.6.21 but the kernel is currently
   affected by #431773, #427398, #433768 - all marked as pending.

 * sparc kernel seems to produces unkillable processes (#433187).

Installation Images
---

 * netinst images are huge due debian-cd inclusion of excluded packages
   dependencies (#410418).

 * weekly CD builds for sparc are broken.

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Debian Installer Status Update - 30th July 2007

2007-07-30 Thread Otavio Salvador
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First we'd like to say thank you to Frans Pop by his work as Debian Installer
Release Manager and we (Jeremy, Joey and Otavio) are starting to work as a team
to manage the next Debian Installer release.

It won't be an easy task and we'll do mistakes, for sure, but we're very 
commited to get it done.

Bear on mind that we're intending to have a team-like coordination of the Debian
Installer release process and that means you're free to collaborate to it. 
Please
report any issue you have experienced and that's not reported here so we can 
keep
the whole installer quality as good as we can.

Just in case you wonder, we hope to make a beta1 release on the end of
September. :)

New stuff
- -

 * Transition from devfs style device name is now complete.
 * sparc32 is gone, and code has been cleaned up.
 
Breakage in daily builds
- 

 * arm (ads_cf) had a build-failure due the lack of pcmcia-cs-udeb but it's now
   addressed and should be ok by tomorrow.

 * The installation problem due the missing symbols still exists in some
   architectures since the conflict between libc-dev and linux-libc-dev (IIUC) 
   isn't resolved yet (#434040).

 * mips and mipsel builds are still broken.  A possible solution has been
   identified and we are waiting for actions by the daily build maintainer.

 * weekly CD builds for sparc are broken.

Other issues
- 

 * Chinese (and Japanese/Korean) texts issue in slang2 (#425835) is still there.

 * Regressions in cleaning old LVM partitions (#425829) unfixed as well.

Kernel status
- -

 * linux-modules-di-m68k-2.6 isn't uploaded due the lack of loop-aes and 
squashfs
   since linux-headers lack modules.lds files (#402061).

 * hppa has been switched to 2.6.21 but the kernel is currently affected by
   #431773, #427398, #433768 - all marked as pending.

 * sparc kernel seems to produces unkillable processes (#433187).

Installation Images
- ---

 * netinst images are huge due debian-cd inclusion of excluded packages
   dependencies (#410418).

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Regards,

Debian Installer Release Team
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Bug#432151: installation-reports: had to boot with -noapic

2007-07-09 Thread Otavio Salvador
Dawn Light [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Booting without the noapic parameter works. I'll be happy to send you logs or 
 anything that will help - just tell me where they are :).

Now I'm confuse.

Does it works on your current system that you had problems before or
on daily images? Besides, what was the problem you had that you've
solve using noapic?

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