Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-06 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 02:16:32PM +0100, Bram Moolenaar wrote: I don't have a problem with that. It's just that it must be clear that this modified version of Vim (or compiled with a GPL'ed library) has more restrictions than the Vim license mentions, since the GPL applies as well (since it

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-06 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Branden Robinson wrote: Can you explain again why you don't want to dual-license Vim under the GPL and some other license? As I recall, your objection to the GPL is not that it places too few restrictions on Vim, but that it places too many on it. (You feel it is too hard for companies

Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-06 Thread Sunnanvind Fenderson
On Thursday, January 3, 2002, at 10:19 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: This appears to be a misunderstanding, because GNU is an operating system--no more, no less. It's also a funny animal, and some people also refer to the project that set out to create the GNU system as the GNU project. (Not

Re: Netscape on Alpha?

2002-01-06 Thread Walter Landry
Andrea Mennucc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the problem: Debian Alpha is lacking a good browser the solution: there is a version of Netscape 4.7-4 that was compiled by Compaq for Tru64; this version is also distributed by RedHat for Alpha; some people have passed it thru alien and

Re: linking to GPL'd libraries WAS Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-06 Thread lloyder
- Original Message - From: Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-legal@lists.debian.org Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:15 PM Subject: Re: linking to GPL'd libraries WAS Re: One unclear point in the Vim license On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 05:22:07PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-06 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 12:46:51PM +0100, Bram Moolenaar wrote: Not completely true. The GPL does allow distributing a modified version without source code, but with some way to obtain the source code somewhere. My draft license doesn't allow that, it requires that the changes are always

Re: linking to GPL'd libraries WAS Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-06 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 07:30:19AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: different. The kernel is not strictly GPL'd, but GPL-compatible. That clause that says system calls are a-ok, supports the moral/legal intention of the GPL by requiring such a declariation to be explicit. Correct? No. The

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-06 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Bram Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Including the GPL actually makes it a lot more complicated. It's hard to read and even harder to understand. How often does RMS have to correct wrong ideas about the GPL? It's not so clear what the GPL really means. I can't say I fully understand

Re: linking to GPL'd libraries WAS Re: One unclear point in the Vim license

2002-01-06 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Best on the quality information that I have gained following these discussions -- thank you -- to say the same thing that you have Marcus a little bit different. The kernel is not strictly GPL'd, but GPL-compatible. That clause that says system calls are a-ok,

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-06 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Branden Robinson wrote: [many parts cut away] The GPL does not allow adding changes that use a license incompatible with it. No license allows doing things with a program that are incompatible with its license. This is a tautology. The relevant questions are: Does the restrictions

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-06 Thread Richard Stallman
I have attempted to add the possibility to allow people to distribute a modified Vim, under the condition that they include the source code. This is a free software license, and I think it is better than the current Vim license. So I encourage you to switch to this license. It is not

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-06 Thread Richard Stallman
From Vim's point of view, the entire GPL'ed code constitute an addition (a special case of a change), so it is all subject to the conditions you apply to changes. If you want to exempt, say, the addition of library code from your conditions on modifications in general, you

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-06 Thread Richard Stallman
c) Provide the changes, including source code, with every copy of the modified Vim you distribute. This may be done in the form of a context diff. You can chose what license to use for new code you add, so long as it does not restrict others

Re: draft for new Vim license

2002-01-06 Thread Glenn Maynard
(Replies from multiple messages.) On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 12:46:51PM +0100, Bram Moolenaar wrote: Including the GPL actually makes it a lot more complicated. It's hard to read and even harder to understand. How often does RMS have to correct wrong ideas about the GPL? It's not so clear what