Re: Software patents and Debian

2006-08-18 Thread Ben Finney
Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Still, the DFSG does not addrss patents. This means that there is no > point in arguing that patent restrictions violate thit. The DFSG doesn't talk about any particular branch of law. It talks about "the rights attached to the program" and other such ph

Re: krb5 license export clause

2006-08-18 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >What puzzles me are the words "WITHIN THAT CONSTRAINT". Is that phrase >sufficient to cause US export restrictions to be incorporated into the >license? My understanding is that if so, it would not be DFSG-free, and No. It merely remarks that the license does not give y

Re: Eterm license violation and non-free

2006-08-18 Thread Kevin B. McCarty
bob marlet wrote: > hi, Eterm was removed from debian testing because a > problem of license : there is a "cannot be sold for > profit" in some source file. is it possible to include > Eterm in non-free? > see > http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/03/msg00572.html > > "cannot be sold for pr

krb5 license export clause

2006-08-18 Thread Kevin B. McCarty
Hi debian-legal, While helping with a license audit of the largely LGPL'ed project ROOT (message CC'ed to project contacts), I happened to notice that the license for source package krb5, from which the ROOT source uses some code, contains the following clauses: - Export of this software from

Re: Creative Commons 3.0 Public draft -- news and questions

2006-08-18 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:36:11 +0800 Weakish Jiang wrote: > > > Francesco Poli wrote: > > > What is unclear to me is: which license am I analyzing? It seems to > > be by-nc-sa (v3draft). Why isn't there any highlighting for the > > clauses that vanish in by-sa, by, and by-nc? > > I think that c

Re: Creative Commons 3.0 Public draft -- news and questions

2006-08-18 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:44:54 +0800 Weakish Jiang wrote: > > > Francesco Poli wrote: [...] > > Please note the adjective "effective"! > > > > Questions: > > > > A) Why are these two clauses different from one another? > > > > B) Is the difference relevant with respect to DFSG compliance? > >

Re: Software patents and Debian

2006-08-18 Thread Raul Miller
On 8/17/06, Weakish Jiang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's not reasonable to claim that we don't know the mpeg-4 is patented. It's well known. In general, we do not know that filed patents are valid patents. In general, most patents which apply to programs that run on general purpose computers

Re: Software patents and Debian

2006-08-18 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> This is untrue. The DGSF does not address patents. It's also the >> opposite of current practice. >I think it's against the DFSG1 "Free Redistribution" and the DFSG3 >"Derived Works". Still, the DFSG does not addrss patents. This means that there is no point in arguin

Re: Bug#203211: Software patents and Debian

2006-08-18 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-17 22:44:25, schrieb Weakish Jiang: > > > Bas Wijnen wrote: > > I thought we didn't care > > about them except if they were actively enforced, because it's completely > > impossible to avoid all patented software, considering the junk that gets > > patented. > > > Unless the patent

Re: Software patents and Debian

2006-08-18 Thread Markus Laire
On 8/18/06, Weakish Jiang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Stephen Gran wrote: >> Unless the patent is licensed for everyone's free use or not licensed at >> all, it won't conform to the DFSG, even if it is not actively enforced. > > This is untrue. The DGSF does not address patents. It's also the >

Re: Software patents and Debian

2006-08-18 Thread Weakish Jiang
Stephen Gran wrote: >> Unless the patent is licensed for everyone's free use or not licensed at >> all, it won't conform to the DFSG, even if it is not actively enforced. > > This is untrue. The DGSF does not address patents. It's also the > opposite of current practice. I think it's against

Re: Bug#203211: Software patents and Debian

2006-08-18 Thread Ben Finney
Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Debian does not handel any software patents The Debian project deals with the freedom of software for users of Debian. If that freedom is restricted by law, it doesn't matter the means used. > since you can obtaine at any moments a legal individual

Re: Eterm license violation and non-free

2006-08-18 Thread Weakish Jiang
bob marlet wrote: > > "cannot be sold for profit" is ok with non-free? It's Ok. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Eterm license violation and non-free

2006-08-18 Thread bob marlet
hi, Eterm was removed from debian testing because a problem of license : there is a "cannot be sold for profit" in some source file. is it possible to include Eterm in non-free? see http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/03/msg00572.html "cannot be sold for profit" is ok with non-free? we need

Re: Bug#203211: Software patents and Debian

2006-08-18 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Aug 17, 2006, at 16:44, Michelle Konzack wrote: Patents on decoding something can not be enforced. How so? (Note that the unenforceability of the Welch patent against LZW decompression was due to the way the claims were drafted--not due to a general rule.) -- Henri Sivonen [EMAIL PRO

Re: Bug#203211: Software patents and Debian

2006-08-18 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-16 11:04:44, schrieb Bas Wijnen: > Hello, > > When looking for some video-editing software, I found avidemux. > According to > the wnpp bug, there is a problem with license issues regarding the > MPEG2/MPEG4 > codec. There is a software patent on this codec, and a paid license is > ne