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On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 05:41:09PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
We've already had this survey. Can you perhaps say why you are taking
yet another, why you think the conclusions might be different, and
what you think the survey is intended to show?
I believe he was responding to the
On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 04:39:05PM -0700, Matt Taggart wrote:
IMHO This is _not_ appropriate for debian-devel-announce. It's not a soapbox,
please keep your messages purely informational in the future. (If I haven't
critizied others for doing the same thing, sorry. Maybe it was because your's
Branden Robinson wrote:
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On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 10:47:45PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
On 2003-08-28 21:51:41 +0100 Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Op do 28-08-2003, om 20:02 schreef MJ Ray:
Ye gods! Who knew that software was such a contentious word?
Agreed. Perhaps we should...
... Oh, wait. I already suggested
On 2003-08-30 23:27:44 +0100 Richard Braakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...and I said yes, but you should do it properly and define all the
words,
just to be on the safe side. Got anything new to say, or is the day
stuck
again?
If someone proposes to go out for a walk because it's such a
CC me on replies. Thanks.
Branden Robinson writes...
A little over one week ago, I posted a survey[1] to the debian-legal
mailing list, requesting the opinion of subscribers regarding one of a
pair of related questions that have been asked with increasing frequency
on that list, and in a few
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2003-08-29 05:40:37 +0100 Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Here are the results of the survey.
possible non-
developers developers developers
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 07:17:46PM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote:
On Thursday, Aug 21, 2003, at 01:09 US/Eastern, Branden Robinson wrote:
[why to the mailing list...?]
So people can verify the results for themselves, and will be less likely
to accuse me of falsifying the results.
Or so I
On 2003-08-29 14:57:26 +0100 Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is only meaningful if the sample is unbiased.
Oh, that's a bit strong. It would still have some meaning, just not
one that's useful ;-) The question is: is it an unbiased sample of
those who would vote in a GR on this
On 2003-08-29 15:36:42 +0100 Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are several issues.
- This survey was made during aout, where more than usually people can
be on vacation -- yeah, I was :)
I was on holiday for some of August too. I suspect that is
uncorrelated with views on FDL.
I conclude that there is a probability of less than 1 in 1000 that the
above total vote for option 1 would have been obtained by pure chance
if there was no majority for option 1 over all others.
This is only meaningful if the sample is unbiased. Since the survey
was announced on
On 2003-08-29 05:40:37 +0100 Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Here are the results of the survey.
possible non-
developers developers developers
On 2003-08-29 16:09:45 +0100 MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
[...] I can't see either happening.
Should have read either change. Sorry to point it out, but there
are some picky people in this thread.
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le ven 29/08/2003 ? 10:42, Fedor Zuev a ?crit :
Of course. You did not know? It is a completely your
problem.
You probably wanted to say something, but the following explains
all:
You are not aware?
Hey, I know you! You are Jean-Claude Van
Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* Joe Wreschnig ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030828 19:50]:
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 03:55, Andreas Barth wrote:
So, as a ad-hoc statement it seems to me that the only way in the
spirit of the Social Contract is to accept GFDL-docu if certain
restrictions are
Op do 28-08-2003, om 20:02 schreef MJ Ray:
Ye gods! Who knew that software was such a contentious word?
Agreed. Perhaps we should...
... Oh, wait. I already suggested we'd do so.
--
Wouter Verhelst
Debian GNU/Linux -- http://www.debian.org
Nederlandstalige Linux-documentatie --
Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I conclude that there is a probability of less than 1 in 1000 that the
above total vote for option 1 would have been obtained by pure chance
if there was no majority for option 1 over all others.
This is only meaningful if the sample is
Scripsit Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- It's represent only the point of view of people at debian-legal
while the scope of the issue is way more general than that.
The survey was announced in DWN before the polling booth closed.
During the last year, DWN has ran several stories about the
Le ven 29/08/2003 à 16:36, Mathieu Roy a écrit :
- This survey was made during aout, where more than usually people can
be on vacation -- yeah, I was :)
Yeah, so it deprived us of your stupid arguments.
What a shame.
- It's represent only the point of view of people at debian-legal
A little over one week ago, I posted a survey[1] to the debian-legal
mailing list, requesting the opinion of subscribers regarding one of a
pair of related questions that have been asked with increasing frequency
on that list, and in a few other forums around the Internet.
Does the GNU Free
Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté :
Le ven 29/08/2003 à 10:42, Fedor Zuev a écrit :
Of course. You did not know? It is a completely your
problem.
You probably wanted to say something, but the following explains all:
You are not aware?
Hey, I know you! You are
* Joe Wreschnig ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030828 19:50]:
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 03:55, Andreas Barth wrote:
So, as a ad-hoc statement it seems to me that the only way in the
spirit of the Social Contract is to accept GFDL-docu if certain
restrictions are not used (except for a license text, which
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le lun 25/08/2003 ? 09:22, Fedor Zuev a ?crit :
When you try to apply license outside of its scope you should expect
to receive funny results. GFDL has a very narrow scope. It is bad.
But it is different problem.
No, it is exactly one of the
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 04:36:42PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote:
- This survey was made during aout, where more than usually people can
be on vacation -- yeah, I was :)
Yes, I'm sure that if the survey was taken at a more appropriate time,
the majority of people who understand that the GFDL is
Le ven 29/08/2003 à 10:42, Fedor Zuev a écrit :
Of course. You did not know? It is a completely your
problem.
You probably wanted to say something, but the following explains all:
You are not aware?
Hey, I know you! You are Jean-Claude Van Damme, aren't you? Nobody can
be as purely
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Andreas Barth wrote:
Comment: documentation is not software, and DFSG is made with software
in mind.
Actually, the DSFG _was_ made with documentation in mind.
Bruce Perens wrote:
I intended for the entire contents of that CD to be under the rights stated
in the DSFG - be they software,
On 2003-08-28 09:55:58 +0100 Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Comment: documentation is not software, and DFSG is made with software
in mind. [...]
Please read
http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200308/msg00690.html
for more information on what was in mind when DFSG
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 11:35:16AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
Why have we another sudden influx of people who haven't read any of
the history on this? (Rhetorical. I think we can guess.)
I'll answer it anyway: it's because our conclusions are reaching a
wider audience, which means we have more
(Ignoring the fact that your statement about the DFSG was untrue, which
has been pointed out elsewhere...)
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 03:55, Andreas Barth wrote:
Having said this, we must now try to work without the special rules as
good as possible, unless someone proposes these rules in time for
* MJ Ray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030828 12:50]:
On 2003-08-28 09:55:58 +0100 Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Comment: documentation is not software, and DFSG is made with software
in mind. [...]
Please read
http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200308/msg00690.html
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 02:49:18PM +0900, Fedor Zuev wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Andrew Suffield wrote:
On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 04:22:49PM +0900, Fedor Zuev wrote:
There, IMHO, is a subtle difference between a creating
derivative work, and using a part of work in the completely
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 06:08:47PM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote:
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 11:35:16AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
Why have we another sudden influx of people who haven't read any of
the history on this? (Rhetorical. I think we can guess.)
I'll answer it anyway: it's because our
On 2003-08-28 17:30:36 +0100 Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I _have_ read the history. But in spite of Bruce words the DFSG just
doesn't apply plainly to e.g. documentation. [...]
You said DFSG is made with software in mind and implied that
documentation is not a subset of software.
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 06:08:47PM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote:
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 11:35:16AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
Why have we another sudden influx of people who haven't read any of
the history on this? (Rhetorical. I think we can guess.)
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Andreas Barth wrote:
Proof:
e.g. look at DFSG 4:
[SNIP]
How does this match to docu?
Source code in this context refers to the prefered form of
modification which is transformed into the form or forms used by the
end user or viewer.
See SGML, texi, docbook, and pod for
On 2003-08-28 21:51:41 +0100 Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Op do 28-08-2003, om 20:02 schreef MJ Ray:
Ye gods! Who knew that software was such a contentious word?
Agreed. Perhaps we should...
... Oh, wait. I already suggested we'd do so.
...and I said yes, but you should do it
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Andrew Suffield wrote:
On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 04:22:49PM +0900, Fedor Zuev wrote:
There, IMHO, is a subtle difference between a creating
derivative work, and using a part of work in the completely
unrelated other work. But you, of course, may disagree. I just reply
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 05:15:10 +, Branden Robinson wrote:
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[ Take #2; hoping to hit -legal this time, as my first attempt to
reply somehow ended up on -devel. Caffeine underrun, probably. ]
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Joe Wreschnig wrote:
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 13:37, Fedor Zuev wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Matthew Garrett wrote:
This still fails - as a result of the use of invariant sections, I
am unable to use content from one piece of documentation in another
piece of documentation
Fedor Zuev wrote:
There, IMHO, is a subtle difference between a creating
derivative work, and using a part of work in the completely
unrelated other work. But you, of course, may disagree. I just reply
to the words, and not try to clairvoyant a thoughts.
There may well be. It remains a
Le lun 25/08/2003 à 09:22, Fedor Zuev a écrit :
When you try to apply license outside of its scope you should expect
to receive funny results. GFDL has a very narrow scope. It is bad.
But it is different problem.
No, it is exactly one of the problems. Have you ever read the DFSG?
--
.''`.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 04:22:49PM +0900, Fedor Zuev wrote:
There, IMHO, is a subtle difference between a creating
derivative work, and using a part of work in the completely
unrelated other work. But you, of course, may disagree. I just reply
to the words, and not try to clairvoyant a
On 2003-08-23 02:33:12 +0100 John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Are you saying that you would be amendable to the idea of a DFSG that
is
slightly modified to make it more applicable to documentation as
well?
I am totally opposed to modifying the DFSG. They are already clearly
applicable
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Matthew Garrett wrote:
When you try to apply license outside of its scope you should expect
to receive funny results. GFDL has a very narrow scope. It is bad.
But it is different problem.
The GFDL may only be intended for documentation and the like, but
if I want to use
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le lun 25/08/2003 ? 09:22, Fedor Zuev a ?crit :
When you try to apply license outside of its scope you should expect
to receive funny results. GFDL has a very narrow scope. It is bad.
But it is different problem.
No, it is exactly one of the
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Le lun 25/08/2003 à 16:21, Fedor Zuev a écrit :
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le lun 25/08/2003 ? 09:22, Fedor Zuev a ?crit :
When you try to apply license outside of its scope you should expect
to receive funny results. GFDL has a very narrow scope. It is bad.
But it is
Fedor Zuev wrote:
Overgeneralization is not always good. Worrying about a
possible problems in the far future instead of problems existed now
in not nessesaryly involve promotion of freedom.
I worry about hypothetical issues now to avoid there being a large
quantity of GFDLed material in
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 11:48:57PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote:
Scripsit John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I would hold that position. But I caution people reading this to not assume
that this means I believe documentation deserves lower standards.
I think that if we find ways to fix the
Joerg wrote:
The point is, I think that there are circumstances where having
invariant sections are _necessary_. When I am writing a report with a
conclusion that contains my very personal opinion, I as the author do
not want anybody to change that section, write anything into it that I
do not
John Goerzen wrote:
There are some properties of documentation that make it a fundamentally
different beast from the software we deal with. Some are:
1. Lack of a clear differentiation between source code and compiled form.
Nope; this problem exists even with things generally agreed to be
Arnoud Galactus Engelfriet quoth:
It's not very popular, but since the US became a party to the
Berne Convention they have to recognize moral rights. And it's
in 17 US Code 106A.
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#106a
Arnoud
Note first that these only apply to a work of visual
Nathanael Nerode wrote:
Arnoud Galactus Engelfriet quoth:
It's not very popular, but since the US became a party to the
Berne Convention they have to recognize moral rights. And it's
in 17 US Code 106A.
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#106a
Arnoud
Note first that these
Op zo 24-08-2003, om 08:36 schreef Nathanael Nerode:
However, if an author believes that modifications of his work may be
prejudicial to his or her honor or reputation without being illegal
for other reasons (libel, slander, fraud, misrepresentation, etc.), I
think that that work is
I'm announcing a closing of the polls date for this survey. Of
course, I can't stop people from replying after that date, and don't
really see a reason to ask them not to.
I will tabulate final results based on survey responses received by
the debian-legal mailing list as of Thursday, 28 August,
#include hallo.h
* Branden Robinson [Sun, Aug 24 2003, 03:43:00AM]:
possible non-
developers developers developers
-
option 1 (no)
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 03:56, Eduard Bloch wrote:
#include hallo.h
* Branden Robinson [Sun, Aug 24 2003, 03:43:00AM]:
possible non-
developers developers developers
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 04:54, Joe Wreschnig wrote:
This is in policy (and the social contract) already. Maintainers must
review the source code they package.
I realized after I sent this that it doesn't convey what I actually
meant. Maintainers must not put non-free software in main. The only
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 12:09:54AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
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Joe Wreschnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I realized after I sent this that it doesn't convey what I actually
meant. Maintainers must not put non-free software in main. The only
guaranteed way to meet this requirement is to review the source code
they package.
The guidelines only require
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 02:15:48AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
3. Tool depencies.
Is a document free if it requires non-free software to read?
Provided that is a *technical* requirement and not a *legal*
requirement, it's free, but must go in 'contrib'. Just like free
programs which
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 12:39:04AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
Yet we do routinely apply the DFSG to interpreted scripts where there
is *no* differentiation between source code and compiled form.
Not really; it's just that the compiled form is often transient.
How is this different from
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 03:25:48PM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote:
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 12:39:04AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
Yet we do routinely apply the DFSG to interpreted scripts where there
is *no* differentiation between source code and compiled form.
Not really; it's just
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 09:30, Branden Robinson wrote:
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 04:59:32PM +0200, Sebastien Bacher wrote:
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On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 03:25:48PM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote:
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 12:39:04AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
Yet we do routinely apply the DFSG to interpreted scripts where there
is *no* differentiation
Le dim 24/08/2003 à 10:56, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
I propose to make a simple change in the DSFG (or document the license
evalutiang method in the policy, whatever): differentiate between
- pure FDL (which is obviously free)
- tainted FDL (with invariant sections)
It looks about 2 out of
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Matthew Garrett wrote:
But here you talked not about discrimination against using
the copies of manual, but about discrimination against creating
specific types of derivative works. This may be reasonable, but
please note, that in _this_ sense, many of debian/main
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 13:37, Fedor Zuev wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Matthew Garrett wrote:
This still fails - as a result of the use of invariant sections, I
am unable to use content from one piece of documentation in another
piece of documentation under the same license under certain
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 06:22:13PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 03:25:48PM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote:
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 12:39:04AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
Yet we do routinely apply the DFSG to interpreted scripts where there
is *no* differentiation
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 07:42:11PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le dim 24/08/2003 à 10:56, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
I propose to make a simple change in the DSFG (or document the license
evalutiang method in the policy, whatever): differentiate between
- pure FDL (which is obviously
On Thursday, Aug 21, 2003, at 01:09 US/Eastern, Branden Robinson wrote:
[why to the mailing list...?]
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On Sunday, Aug 24, 2003, at 04:56 US/Eastern, Eduard Bloch wrote:
- pure FDL (which is obviously free)
You can only believe that (obviously free) if you have not read the
list archives. Please review them, and also explain the 35 people who
disagree (no) compared to at most 18 who agree
Brian T. Sniffen, on 2003-08-22, 13:54, you wrote:
[...]
Whew, I though this was a list for serious discussion, but some participants
obviously have to reach a certain age first... *plonk*
Joerg
I, for one, didn't find his argument juvenile at all. I agree with him;
you answered the
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On Sat, 22 Aug 2003, Henning Makholm wrote:
Scripsit Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
KD So, no text from a document licensed under the
KD GFDL which contained an invariant section could be included in an
KD encyclopedia, since the invariant section would now be part of
KD the main discussion.
Steve Langasek wrote:
No, US law does not recognize the concept of a creator's moral rights
with respect to *any* work, software or not.
It's not very popular, but since the US became a party to the
Berne Convention they have to recognize moral rights. And it's
in 17 US Code 106A.
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Fedor Zuev wrote:
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Matthew Garrett wrote:
Right, and invariant sections can be useful for software. So what?
Goal of the free software movement, as declared by FSF :-)
is a completely replace proprietary software world.
Here you want to state that some useful
On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 10:02:53AM +0200, Arnoud Galactus Engelfriet wrote:
Steve Langasek wrote:
No, US law does not recognize the concept of a creator's moral rights
with respect to *any* work, software or not.
It's not very popular, but since the US became a party to the
Berne
John Goerzen wrote:
Before I reply, I should add I still see it as wrong and misleading to apply
*software* guidelines to *documentation*, which to me are fundamentally
different beasts. Thus, I see the question as rather misleading.
I completely agree.
However, with the question narrowly
Le jeu 21/08/2003 à 17:07, John Goerzen a écrit :
Before I reply, I should add I still see it as wrong and misleading to apply
*software* guidelines to *documentation*, which to me are fundamentally
different beasts. Thus, I see the question as rather misleading.
Could you please explain
Brian T. Sniffen wrote:
Joerg Wendland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Matthew Garrett, on 2003-08-21, 16:13, you wrote:
Oh, now, come on. The GFDL plainly /isn't/ compatible with the DFSG.
Whether or not it /has/ to be compatible with the DFSG in order to be in
Debian is an entirely separate
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Brian T. Sniffen, on 2003-08-21, 19:15, you wrote:
Wouldn't it be better, then, to say that you don't think the GFDL
meets the DFSG, but that you think it shouldn't have to? Certainly,
you don't appear to believe that the GFDL both should have to meet the
DFSG and does so.
The DFSG does
Let's see if this goes correctly this time...
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On 2003-08-22 12:28:29 +0100 Joerg Wendland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
[...] When I am writing a report with a
conclusion that contains my very personal opinion, I as the author do
not want anybody to change that section
Let's say when I am writing a program with an output that contains my
Joerg Wendland wrote:
The point is, I think that there are circumstances where having
invariant sections are _necessary_. When I am writing a report with a
conclusion that contains my very personal opinion, I as the author do
not want anybody to change that section, write anything into it that I
MJ Ray, on 2003-08-22, 13:10, you wrote:
that section. Does that mean my program is free software too, in your
opinion? After all, all your arguments seem to hold for it equally
well and programs and documentation-on-disk are just different types
of software.
software != documentation,
Matthew Garrett, on 2003-08-22, 13:09, you wrote:
As previously pointed out, the same is true of software. I could insert
anti-semetic messages into pam-pgsql and NMU it now. Perhaps you should
change your license?
No, you didn't get it. What I wrote before was example for why invariant.
On 2003-08-22 13:34:30 +0100 Joerg Wendland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
software != documentation, you cannot compare it like you do.
Documentation in the formats debian can distribute is a subset of
software. Software != programs, remember (see emails about
dictionaries, origins of DFSG and
MJ Ray, on 2003-08-22, 13:53, you wrote:
I cannot tell what that refers to, sorry. My example was why your
argument holds for programs too. Doesn't mean I agree with it.
Sorry for my english, that should have referred to example, read
the example was nothing else than an example
So,
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Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2
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