On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 03:30:38AM -0700, Vincent Cheng wrote:
> Due to the above, I'm going to be watching the progress of
> Unteralterbach's packaging very closely in the coming months, as well
> as opposing this every step of the way. If this actually makes it into
> the NEW queue, I have no hes
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:07:20AM +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
> 2014-03-14 9:59 GMT+01:00 Jo Shields :
> > *TRIGGER WARNING* in case it wasn't painfully obvious for this thread by
> > now.
>
> Thanks for the warning. Just for the record, I can confirm that there
> has been people already triggered
2014-03-14 11:30 GMT+01:00 Vincent Cheng :
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>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 3:07 AM, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
>
>> 3) Up to now, there hasn't been an actual proposal of package to even
>> discuss, so
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On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 3:07 AM, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
> 3) Up to now, there hasn't been an actual proposal of package to even
> discuss, so the whole debate is abstract and I don't think anyone
2014-03-14 9:59 GMT+01:00 Jo Shields :
> *TRIGGER WARNING* in case it wasn't painfully obvious for this thread by
> now.
Thanks for the warning. Just for the record, I can confirm that there
has been people already triggered by all this situation. We can't
forget that, as the "global prevalence of
*TRIGGER WARNING* in case it wasn't painfully obvious for this thread by
now.
On 14/03/14 02:21, Nils Dagsson Moskopp wrote:
> Gunnar Wolf writes:
>
>> Jo Shields dijo [Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 10:34:59PM +]:
>>> Let's be very, very, very clear then.
>>>
>>> This is a game where you play a paedo
Gunnar Wolf writes:
> Jo Shields dijo [Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 10:34:59PM +]:
>> Let's be very, very, very clear then.
>>
>> This is a game where you play a paedophile. The aim is to rape local
>> little girls, whilst evading the authorities. Success is rewarded with
>> graphic scenes of sex wi
Jo Shields dijo [Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 10:34:59PM +]:
> Let's be very, very, very clear then.
>
> This is a game where you play a paedophile. The aim is to rape local
> little girls, whilst evading the authorities. Success is rewarded with
> graphic scenes of sex with children, failure with bei
Sam Kuper dijo [Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 08:56:18PM +]:
> That's because there's a big difference between:
>
> (A) 'Deciding to not include a copy of some "literary discussion" in a
> GNU/Linux distribution' (this can be fair enough, as I said earlier);
> and
>
> (b) deciding 'legal and literary
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:17:00AM +0100, Johannes Schauer wrote:
> This discussion might not be the last one about inclusion of content
> (pornography, violence, theory of evolution, bdsm, lgbt or whatever else one
> might find offensive) in Debian which is in some way illegal in one or more
> jur
2014-03-13 11:17 GMT+01:00 Johannes Schauer :
> This discussion might not be the last one about inclusion of content
> (pornography, violence, theory of evolution, bdsm, lgbt or whatever else one
> might find offensive) in Debian which is in some way illegal in one or more
> jurisdictions. I didn
Hi all,
Quoting Nils Dagsson Moskopp (2014-03-12 19:32:09)
> I would like to split the the game content into several packages:
>
> - unteralterbach - game code and story text
> - unteralterbach-music - music and soundtrack
> - unteralterbach-data-nosex - graphics and sound f
'lesleyb' writes:
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 05:39:33AM +0100, Bas Wijnen wrote:
>> > >> As far as I understand, we're all defining our position 2nd hand on
>> > >> Bas' analysis.
> Agreed.
>>
>> And given the responses, my analysis obviously needs some explanation.
>>
> Thanks.
>> This game is
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 05:39:33AM +0100, Bas Wijnen wrote:
> > >> As far as I understand, we're all defining our position 2nd hand on
> > >> Bas' analysis.
Agreed.
>
> And given the responses, my analysis obviously needs some explanation.
>
Thanks.
> This game is technically very well done. It
> >> As far as I understand, we're all defining our position 2nd hand on
> >> Bas' analysis.
And given the responses, my analysis obviously needs some explanation.
This game is technically very well done. It is a visual novel, which
like a regular novel is intended to make the reader/player thin
Tobias Hansen writes:
> Am 11.03.2014 17:54, schrieb Miriam Ruiz:
>> Right now there is no need to make any decision at all, it is
>> in the hands of the FTP Masters, and we as a project trust them.
>
> As far as I am aware there is not even the need for the FTP masters to
> decide because there
Jo Shields writes:
>> I honestly believe that almost none of those of us discusing the game
>> has even tried it (I haven't at least) and I don't think anyone who
>> hasn't even tested it can have a solid opinion. As far as I
>> understand, we're all defining our position 2nd hand on Bas' analysi
2014-03-11 23:34 GMT+01:00 Jo Shields :
>> I honestly believe that almost none of those of us discusing the game
>> has even tried it (I haven't at least) and I don't think anyone who
>> hasn't even tested it can have a solid opinion. As far as I
>> understand, we're all defining our position 2nd h
> I honestly believe that almost none of those of us discusing the game
> has even tried it (I haven't at least) and I don't think anyone who
> hasn't even tested it can have a solid opinion. As far as I
> understand, we're all defining our position 2nd hand on Bas' analysis.
Let's be very, very,
2014-03-11 22:23 GMT+01:00 Sam Kuper :
> Now that this conversation has descended into farce, I'm out. I only
> hope that if the issue does cease to become moot[1] and Debian decides
> to reject Unteralterbach (which, to repeat, I have no opinion about)
> the project will not do so in a way that w
On 11/03/14 22:23, Sam Kuper wrote:
> On 11/03/2014, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> Many people wouldn't want to touch this with a ten foot pole. The
>> consequences of even showing sympathy for this type of package could
>> well have personal consequences for some people well into the future,
>> here
On 11/03/2014, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> Many people wouldn't want to touch this with a ten foot pole. The
> consequences of even showing sympathy for this type of package could
> well have personal consequences for some people well into the future,
> here is a typical example:
>
> http://www.bbc.co
To save people wasting time on this
Debian is a volunteer effort
Each DD can contribute what they want
On the inclusion of packages like this, I suspect some DDs would find
the only thing left to contribute is their resignations.
Many people wouldn't want to touch this with a ten foot pole. T
On 11/03/2014, Thibaut Paumard wrote:
> Le 11/03/2014 20:10, Sam Kuper a écrit :
>> My point was that if legal (in some jurisdictions) and literary
>> discussions of abuse are completely excluded from Debian, then an act
>> of censorship has been performed, which may itself be viewed as a real
>>
Le 11/03/2014 20:10, Sam Kuper a écrit :
> My point was that if legal (in some jurisdictions) and literary
> discussions of abuse are completely excluded from Debian, then an act
> of censorship has been performed, which may itself be viewed as a real
> - though different - harm.
No.
Deciding to
2014-03-11 19:40 GMT+01:00 Tobias Hansen :
> Am 11.03.2014 17:54, schrieb Miriam Ruiz:
>> Right now there is no need to make any decision at all, it is
>> in the hands of the FTP Masters, and we as a project trust them.
>
> As far as I am aware there is not even the need for the FTP masters to
> de
Am 11.03.2014 17:54, schrieb Miriam Ruiz:
> Right now there is no need to make any decision at all, it is
> in the hands of the FTP Masters, and we as a project trust them.
As far as I am aware there is not even the need for the FTP masters to
decide because there is no Debian developer who is con
On 11/03/2014, Mateusz Jończyk wrote:
> W dniu 11.03.2014 15:52, Sam Kuper pisze:
>> On 11/03/2014, Joseph Neal wrote:
> According to statistics [2]
> "One in 20 children (4.8%) have experienced contact sexual abuse." This has
> probably a devastating effect on their lives.
That is very likely t
2014-03-11 17:39 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Jończyk :
>> There is a danger, if the Debian project falls prey to a moral panic, that it
>> will self-censor to the extent of producing a chilling effect upon itself.
>
> This is not a "moral panic". A real harm is being done.
> According to statistics [2]
> "O
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W dniu 11.03.2014 15:52, Sam Kuper pisze:
> On 11/03/2014, Joseph Neal wrote:
>> I hate to stir up shit, but that's exactly what I'm doing.
>
> If you hate to do it, then please don't do it.
>
>> Several people have already objected but I hope there
On 11/03/2014, Joseph Neal wrote:
> I hate to stir up shit, but that's exactly what I'm doing.
If you hate to do it, then please don't do it.
> Several people have already objected but I hope there will be such a
> resounding rejection that nobody considers submitting something like
> this again
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