Re: GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-09 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 2003-05-08 at 20:17, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: They are also not enforceable in the US. Can you please provide a citation for this? I've never been able to come up with one. This is what I know from Eben Moglen; I would ask him if

Re: GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-09 Thread Greg Pomerantz
They are also not enforceable in the US. Can you please provide a citation for this? I've never been able to come up with one. This is what I know from Eben Moglen; I would ask him if he can give you more exact citations. Also maybe look at the briefs that ATT filed in the BSD v.

Re: GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-09 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Greg Pomerantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They are also not enforceable in the US. Can you please provide a citation for this? I've never been able to come up with one. This is what I know from Eben Moglen; I would ask him if he can give you more exact citations. Also maybe

Re: GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-08 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How is this any worse than an advertizing clause or a requirement to make a statement in supporting documentation? We consider both of those free. Advertising clauses only need to be there if you are advertising. They are also not enforceable in the US.

Re: GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-08 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Thu, 2003-05-08 at 20:17, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: They are also not enforceable in the US. Can you please provide a citation for this? I've never been able to come up with one. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-07 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 11:16:29PM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: Besides, I don't think [...] the ftp masters want to become the Truth Police. Who says they aren't already? ;-) -- G. Branden Robinson| Never underestimate the power of Debian GNU/Linux

Re: GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-07 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 02:36:34AM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 17:29, MJ Ray wrote: Does the advertising clause restrict your ability to modify the original work more than copyright law? No, it restricts my ability to modify _other_ works, which, IMO, is far

Re: GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-06 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 17:29, MJ Ray wrote: Does the advertising clause restrict your ability to modify the original work more than copyright law? No, it restricts my ability to modify _other_ works, which, IMO, is far worse. Personally, I don't think the DFSG allows it, except by

Re: GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-06 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 2003-05-03 at 21:28, Michael D. Crawford wrote: But what if it isn't? Must we only have the black-and-white distinction that invariant sections or cover texts are never allowed, or could we allow them if they are truthful? Besides, I

Re: GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-06 Thread Lex Spoon
Michael D. Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Phillips sed: I wouldn't object to a clause which demanded fair credit, but I would object to a clause which demanded that that credit take a particular form. Well I can agree to be flexible. Can you suggest either another license, or

Re: GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-05 Thread Mark Rafn
On Sat, 3 May 2003, Michael D. Crawford wrote: But what if it isn't? Must we only have the black-and-white distinction that invariant sections or cover texts are never allowed, or could we allow them if they are truthful? Eek. Truthful is hard to define usefully here, and for some

Re: GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-05 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Sat, 2003-05-03 at 21:28, Michael D. Crawford wrote: But what if it isn't? Must we only have the black-and-white distinction that invariant sections or cover texts are never allowed, or could we allow them if they are truthful? The cause is the non-freeness; one symptom of the

Re: GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-05 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 01:22, Michael D. Crawford wrote: It's not just that I want to ensure I be personally be given proper credit for writing the articles, but that I ensure that future readers are always told that they can look to http://linuxquality.sunsite.dk/ for the originals or

Re: GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-04 Thread Nick Phillips
On Sat, May 03, 2003 at 10:37:54PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: One possible response is that the GFDL does not allow these texts to be modified while the BSD advertizing clause does. If someone has too long of a credit, I can shorten that credit and still follow the BSD license provided I

Re: GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-04 Thread Michael D. Crawford
Nick Phillips sed: I wouldn't object to a clause which demanded fair credit, but I would object to a clause which demanded that that credit take a particular form. Well I can agree to be flexible. Can you suggest either another license, or another way to apply the GFDL so that I can achieve

Re: GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-04 Thread Richard Braakman
On Fri, May 02, 2003 at 12:20:04AM -0400, Michael D. Crawford wrote: I don't have any invariant sections in any of them, but each of them specifies a brief back cover text: This contains material from the Linux Quality Database at http://linuxquality.sunsite.dk;. Is that a problem? It

Re: GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-04 Thread Walter Landry
Richard Braakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 02, 2003 at 12:20:04AM -0400, Michael D. Crawford wrote: I don't have any invariant sections in any of them, but each of them specifies a brief back cover text: This contains material from the Linux Quality Database at

Re: GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-04 Thread MJ Ray
Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mention you in advertizing material for my software is strictly worse than requiring mention in a cover text. ANd yet we consider the advertizing clause free. Does the advertising clause restrict your ability to modify the original work more than copyright

Re: GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-03 Thread Walter Landry
Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Henning == Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Henning Scripsit Michael D. Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't have any invariant sections in any of them, but each of them specifies a brief back cover text: Is that a problem?

Re: GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-03 Thread Michael D. Crawford
It can be misleading or wrong, and you'll never be able to take it out. But what if it isn't? Must we only have the black-and-white distinction that invariant sections or cover texts are never allowed, or could we allow them if they are truthful? In my case my only desire is to guarantee

Re: GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-03 Thread Sam Hartman
Glenn == Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Glenn On Sat, May 03, 2003 at 08:31:15PM -0400, Sam Hartman Glenn wrote: How is this any worse than an advertizing clause or a requirement to make a statement in supporting documentation? We consider both of those free.

Re: GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-02 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Michael D. Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't have any invariant sections in any of them, but each of them specifies a brief back cover text: Is that a problem? My impression of the consensus that is shaping up is that we're likely to consider *any* cover text as a problem. The one