Re: Unteralterbach visual novel

2014-03-15 Thread Thomas Hochstein
Nils Dagsson Moskopp wrote: > As far as I understand it, in Germany, for a text / recording / drawing > to be a criminal matter, it must depict actual abuse – meaning a child > has to be abused for the document to be created. That's not quite correct. Accoding to German law, it's a misdemeanour

A warning (Was: Re: Unteralterbach visual novel)

2014-03-12 Thread Mateusz Jończyk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, As most of the people involved agree, the worst thing that could happen would be for the discussion to turn into a big flamewar including also 4chan, the press, etc. with Debian in the middle of it. Because of that, I ask You to keep the discuss

Re: Unteralterbach visual novel (was: Re: Introduction)

2014-03-11 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2014-03-11 20:26 GMT+01:00 Ian Jackson : > in Debian. That doesn't amount to censorship. People who want to > find interesting interactive fiction are probably not going to be > looking for it in our archive. You mean that we shouldn't package any interactive fiction game of any kind, or were y

Unteralterbach visual novel (was: Re: Introduction)

2014-03-11 Thread Ian Jackson
Bas Wijnen writes ("Unteralterbach visual novel (was: Re: Introduction)"): > Summary: I've tried the game, and don't think it's suitable for Debian. Thank you for your analysis. I appreciate your effort, and your taking the psychological risk of exposure to somethi

Re: Unteralterbach visual novel (was: Re: Introduction)

2014-03-10 Thread Joseph Neal
Your impression that it has "something to do with child sexualization" is a formidable understatement. That's what the entire game is all about. The protagonist starts working for the police department going after child pornography producers. These producers turn out to be the children themselv

Re: Unteralterbach visual novel

2014-03-10 Thread Thibaut Paumard
Hi, Le 10/03/2014 21:12, Christoph Biedl a écrit : > Paul Tagliamonte wrote... > >> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 08:31:24PM +0100, Christoph Biedl wrote: >>> Thibaut Paumard wrote... >>> IANAL, but this discussion has got me wondering were we should draw the line. Summary: in my opinion, if

Re: Unteralterbach visual novel (was: Re: Introduction)

2014-03-10 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 09:39:07PM +0100, Nils Dagsson Moskopp wrote: > If the player is considered a pedophile, there are opportunities for > abuse at every corner. Similar to other games, where you have a gun. > > The only game I know that challenges that is Aquaria. After acquiring > the skill

Re: Unteralterbach visual novel

2014-03-10 Thread Mateusz Jończyk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 W dniu 10.03.2014 20:31, Christoph Biedl pisze: > Thibaut Paumard wrote... > >> IANAL, but this discussion has got me wondering were we should draw the >> line. >> Summary: in my opinion, if you intend on uploading a package which as fair >> chance

Re: Unteralterbach visual novel

2014-03-10 Thread Christoph Biedl
Paul Tagliamonte wrote... > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 08:31:24PM +0100, Christoph Biedl wrote: > > Thibaut Paumard wrote... > > > > > IANAL, but this discussion has got me wondering were we should draw the > > > line. Summary: in my opinion, if you intend on uploading a package which > > > as fair

Re: Unteralterbach visual novel

2014-03-10 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 08:31:24PM +0100, Christoph Biedl wrote: > Thibaut Paumard wrote... > > > IANAL, but this discussion has got me wondering were we should draw the > > line. Summary: in my opinion, if you intend on uploading a package which > > as fair chances of being classified as pornogra

Re: Unteralterbach visual novel

2014-03-10 Thread Christoph Biedl
Thibaut Paumard wrote... > IANAL, but this discussion has got me wondering were we should draw the > line. Summary: in my opinion, if you intend on uploading a package which > as fair chances of being classified as pornography *somewhere*, please > don't. Argumentation follows (Nils, obviously I'm

Re: Unteralterbach visual novel

2014-03-10 Thread Thibaut Paumard
Hi, IANAL, but this discussion has got me wondering were we should draw the line. Summary: in my opinion, if you intend on uploading a package which as fair chances of being classified as pornography *somewhere*, please don't. Argumentation follows (Nils, obviously I'm not meaning you by "you"):

Re: Unteralterbach visual novel (was: Re: Introduction)

2014-03-10 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi there, On 10/03/14 at 14:57 +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote: > >> Having read your report, even if someone decided to package it, I > >> wouldn't advise to include it in the archive without speaking > >> beforehand with lawyers that could advice us on the possible risks. > >> I'm not familiar enought

Re: Unteralterbach visual novel

2014-03-10 Thread Walter Landry
Nils Dagsson Moskopp wrote: > Bas Wijnen writes: >>> > I am going to start with trying to package "Bernd und das Rätsel um >>> > Unteralterbach" - a visual novel set in present-day bavaria containing >>> > (optional) erotic content >> >> The erotic content is not optional, AFAICS. Only the abu

Re: Unteralterbach visual novel (was: Re: Introduction)

2014-03-10 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Miriam Ruiz writes: > 2014-03-10 2:44 GMT+01:00 Bas Wijnen : > >> For that reason, I would advise not to include this game in Debian (and >> not to spend your time on packaging it). But note that I'm not setting >> the rules here. If you feel strongly that it adds value to the system, >> feel f

Re: Unteralterbach visual novel (was: Re: Introduction)

2014-03-10 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2014-03-10 14:48 GMT+01:00 Nils Dagsson Moskopp : > Miriam Ruiz writes: >> in the web page, and reading the comments in previous mails. I find >> your description of the game very disturbing, and I'm thinking that it >> may be even be triggering for some people. > > I would like to avoid that pro

Re: Unteralterbach visual novel (was: Re: Introduction)

2014-03-10 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Bas Wijnen writes: > Summary: I've tried the game, and don't think it's suitable for > Debian. Summary: I think I have understood Bas' objections and agree to an extent. However, I disagree with his conclusion that the game is not suitable for inclusion in a free operating system software collec

Re: Unteralterbach visual novel (was: Re: Introduction)

2014-03-10 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2014-03-10 2:44 GMT+01:00 Bas Wijnen : > For that reason, I would advise not to include this game in Debian (and > not to spend your time on packaging it). But note that I'm not setting > the rules here. If you feel strongly that it adds value to the system, > feel free to explain why, and pleas

Unteralterbach visual novel (was: Re: Introduction)

2014-03-09 Thread Bas Wijnen
Summary: I've tried the game, and don't think it's suitable for Debian. Welcome, Nils! (Keeping you separately addressed because you were in the message I'm replying to; please say so if you are subscribed.) (Also, I've seen remarkably few replies to this; for anyone replying, please keep debian