Re: [draft] Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-20 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On 5/19/06, Jeroen van Wolffelaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] The software as distributed is complete, it has all the files in the .deb packages, and the dependencies ensure that on the user's system the software layout is like Sun requires, with the optional bits indeed being optional.

Re: Sun responds to questions on the DLJ

2006-05-20 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 08:09:18PM -0500, Tom Marble wrote: All: Let me start by repeating the message that Simon and I gave to you at Debconf: there is every reason for us to be friends and working with you is very important for Sun. big snippage of much good explanation and technical

Re: Against DRM 2.0

2006-05-20 Thread Max Brown
The license does not treat software: you cannot value the license on the basis of Debian Free Software Guidelines. ;-) However, where can I read that Debian requires *everything*, not just software, to be DFSG-free?? A link, please.Max Andrew Donnellan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fine remark,

Re: Against DRM 2.0

2006-05-20 Thread Andrew Donnellan
1. PLEASE stop sending HTML. 2. GR-2004-003 changes the Debian Social Contract - it says that all 'works', not just software, must be free: We provide the guidelines that we use to determine if a ***work*** is free in the document entitled The Debian Free Software Guidelines. We promise that the

Freeness of anti-DRM (was: Re: Against DRM 2.0)

2006-05-20 Thread Henri Sivonen
On May 19, 2006, at 16:14, Evan Prodromou wrote: Of course you know that the anti-DRM clause makes the license incompatible with the DFSG, right? Do they necessarily or just the ones so far proposed? I wrote an essay about it earlier this week, and I think there can be free anti-DRM

Re: Against DRM 2.0

2006-05-20 Thread Max Brown
1. Ok: how? I use "Yahoo! Mail". 2. Yes, DSC is changed, but DFSG are the same! :-) DFSG speak only about software and you value every work on the basis of a software definition! It's unlogical. In this point of view, DSC v1 was logical and consistent; DSC v2 is unlogical and contradictory. I

Re: Freeness of anti-DRM (was: Re: Against DRM 2.0)

2006-05-20 Thread Max Brown
Good work Henri! ;-) I think that an anti-DRM clause (concerning granted rights) can defend the freedom. See "Free Content Definition" (Mako Hill and other people are working on it): http://freedomdefined.org/Definition Max Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low

Apache module with a GPL License: mod_proxy_html

2006-05-20 Thread Emmanuel Lacour
I'm the maintainer of mod_proxy_html, an apache 2.x module. Upstream source code is GPLv2, so I released it under GPLv2 for the debian package. Someone pointed me that GPL is uncompatible with the apache license, and so we cannot redistribute it as binary :( Could anyone give me hints on what to

Re: Bacula license (was Re: Help Selecting License for Bacula Documentation

2006-05-20 Thread Francesco Poli
On Fri, 19 May 2006 22:34:00 +0200 (CEST) Kern Sibbald wrote: [...] Hmmm. I don't think I have ever seen the Postfix license, but someone else has probably picked it up, and applying it more globally is almost surely something I have added. In any case, I have now deleted that clause from

Re: Proposed licence for Debconf video recordings

2006-05-20 Thread Francesco Poli
On Fri, 19 May 2006 11:55:56 +0200 Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 18 May 2006 19:56:21 +0100 Ben Hutchings wrote: The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be -distributed with all copies and transcodings of the recording or

Re: Sun responds to questions on the DLJ

2006-05-20 Thread Josh Triplett
Tom Marble wrote: Don Armstrong wrote: On Fri, 19 May 2006, Tom Marble wrote: + SECTION 2(c) There have been a series of speculations about this, despite the clarifications of FAQ #8. The term alternate technologies refers to projects such as kaffe, gcj, classpath, harmony and the

Re: [draft] Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-20 Thread Josh Triplett
Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 11:09:30PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: (b) the Software is distributed with your Operating System, and such distribution is solely for the purposes of running Programs under the control of your Operating System and designing,

Re: Sun responds to questions on the DLJ

2006-05-20 Thread Tom Marble
Josh Triplett wrote: Tom Marble wrote: Don Armstrong wrote: On Fri, 19 May 2006, Tom Marble wrote: + SECTION 2(c) There have been a series of speculations about this, despite the clarifications of FAQ #8. The term alternate technologies refers to projects such as kaffe, gcj,

Re: Against DRM 2.0

2006-05-20 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 5/20/06, Max Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Ok: how? I use Yahoo! Mail. Found on http://expita.com/nomime.html: If using IE (not available in Netscape and other browsers) when in the Compose window, make sure Plain is selected rather than Color and Graphics. These two choices are a

Re: Sun responds to questions on the DLJ

2006-05-20 Thread Josh Triplett
Tom Marble wrote: Josh Triplett wrote: Tom Marble wrote: Don Armstrong wrote: On Fri, 19 May 2006, Tom Marble wrote: + SECTION 2(c) There have been a series of speculations about this, despite the clarifications of FAQ #8. The term alternate technologies refers to projects such as

Revised Bacula license

2006-05-20 Thread John Goerzen
Hello, Can you all take a look at the below new license? I took a quick look and it looks good to me. Thanks, -- John - Forwarded message from Kern Sibbald [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Kern Sibbald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 10:32:11 +0200 (CEST) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Revised Bacula license

2006-05-20 Thread Josh Triplett
John Goerzen wrote: Can you all take a look at the below new license? I took a quick look and it looks good to me. This revised license looks DFSG-free to me. One note, though: Linking: Bacula may be linked with any libraries permitted under the GPL, or with any non-GPLed libraries,

Re: Revised Bacula license

2006-05-20 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Josh Triplett said: John Goerzen wrote: Can you all take a look at the below new license? I took a quick look and it looks good to me. This revised license looks DFSG-free to me. One note, though: Linking: Bacula may be linked with any libraries

Re: [draft] Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 02:18:57PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: Note that the license says ... is distributed *with* your Operating System, and not is part of. I don't know where you read the part of bit? Anyway, we definitely do distribute non-free *with* our OS, it's in

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Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-20 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 01:12:19PM +0200, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: On Friday, 19 May 2006, you wrote: As a final note, did anyone from Debian who usually examines licences actually examine this one? Yes. I take it you were too busy to elaborate on this when you wrote this email.

Re: [draft] Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-20 Thread Josh Triplett
Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 02:18:57PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: Note that the license says ... is distributed *with* your Operating System, and not is part of. I don't know where you read the part of bit? Anyway, we definitely do distribute non-free *with* our OS, it's in