Re: DFSG-freeness of any license that fixes the ASP loophole

2007-11-10 Thread Shriramana Sharma
John Halton wrote: "PAY ME $25,000 AND I'LL LET YOU DOWNLOAD THE SOURCE FROM A PASSWORD-PROTECTED AREA OF THIS SITE". just as easily be read as meaning "our headquarters in northern Scotland". Would this corrected clause then be DFSG-compliant? Added text marked with carets. When you mak

Re: The legality of wodim

2007-11-10 Thread John Halton
On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 09:01:48PM +0100, Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: > This is where the concept of moral rights comes from. US copyright > law doesn't recognize moral rights (except for some limited cases > like sculptures) but European author's rights are strong on > moral rights. > > Regardless

Re: DFSG-freeness of any license that fixes the ASP loophole

2007-11-10 Thread John Halton
On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 07:11:32PM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote: > On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:05:53 + John Halton wrote: > > One problem with the HPL is that it is a modification of the GPL, > > which is prohibited by the GPL itself. > > This is not really the case. > As long as you change the lice

Re: The legality of wodim

2007-11-10 Thread Joerg Schilling
George Danchev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday 10 November 2007, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Oliver Vivell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Please stop spreading your superficial knowledge about legal things. > > > You've proven, that you are far away to have the legal expertise to > > >

Re: The legality of wodim

2007-11-10 Thread George Danchev
On Saturday 10 November 2007, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Oliver Vivell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Please stop spreading your superficial knowledge about legal things. > > You've proven, that you are far away to have the legal expertise to > > judge whether all other opinions beside yours are wro

Re: The legality of wodim

2007-11-10 Thread Joerg Schilling
Oliver Vivell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please stop spreading your superficial knowledge about legal things. > You've proven, that you are far away to have the legal expertise to > judge whether all other opinions beside yours are wrong. It is bad to see that nobody who recently answered to

Re: The legality of wodim

2007-11-10 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Oliver Vivell wrote: > And if you use terms, please translate them into english, that everybody > understands them, so don't use "Urheberrecht" but the english term > "Intellectual property rights". _Urheberrecht_ is the German word for copyright, but it is more accurately translated as "author'

Re: The legality of wodim

2007-11-10 Thread Oliver Vivell
Joerg Schilling schrieb: Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Le vendredi 09 novembre 2007 à 21:28 +0100, Joerg Schilling a écrit : there is a problem in wodim. The GPL and the Urheberrecht both forbid to publish modified versions that harm the reputation of the Author.

Re: "rescuing" code from the GPL

2007-11-10 Thread Wesley J. Landaker
On Saturday 10 November 2007 08:48:22 Shriramana Sharma wrote: > My question is whether anyone among X, Y and Z in any of the below two > situations is guilty of copyright infringement as a result of not > following license conditions? > > SITUATION #1: > > 1. X creates 01-noqt-nothirdvar.cpp and d

Re: DFSG-freeness of any license that fixes the ASP loophole

2007-11-10 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:05:53 + John Halton wrote: > On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 05:58:52AM +0530, Shriramana Sharma wrote: > > So I can't recommend the AGPL to the hesitating project without > > being sure it's DFSG-free (since I want their work to be included in > > Debian and Ubuntu ultimately).

Re: Build system GPLv3+, *.(c|h) LGPLv2.1+ --> What is the library copyright?

2007-11-10 Thread Andreas Metzler
Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Andreas Metzler: >> I think that the resulting library /usr/lib/libtasn1.so.3 does not >> inherit the licenses of the build-system, and ends up as LGPLv2.1+ >> both in 0.3.x and 1.x. Can you confirm this? > You should ask the GNUTLS folks. I'm sure t

Re: The legality of wodim

2007-11-10 Thread Joerg Schilling
Brett Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 04:51:21PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Le samedi 10 novembre 2007 à 16:39 +0100, Joerg Schilling a écrit : > > > > So make sure that "wodim" prints something like: > > > >

Re: The legality of wodim

2007-11-10 Thread Brett Parker
On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 04:51:21PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Le samedi 10 novembre 2007 à 16:39 +0100, Joerg Schilling a écrit : > > > So make sure that "wodim" prints something like: > > > > > > "This program is known to have bugs that are

Re: The legality of wodim

2007-11-10 Thread Joerg Schilling
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le samedi 10 novembre 2007 à 16:39 +0100, Joerg Schilling a écrit : > > So make sure that "wodim" prints something like: > > > > "This program is known to have bugs that are not present in the original > > software" > > > > and it mets the rules. >

Re: DFSG-freeness of any license that fixes the ASP loophole

2007-11-10 Thread John Halton
On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 05:58:52AM +0530, Shriramana Sharma wrote: > So I can't recommend the AGPL to the hesitating project without > being sure it's DFSG-free (since I want their work to be included in > Debian and Ubuntu ultimately). I suspect it'll be necessary to wait for the final version of

Re: The legality of wodim

2007-11-10 Thread Joerg Schilling
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le samedi 10 novembre 2007 à 12:57 +0100, Joerg Schilling a écrit : > > Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > There is nothing like that in the GPL. It only forbids misrepresentation > > > of the Author's work. > > > > You seem to missinte

Re: The legality of cdrecord

2007-11-10 Thread Joerg Schilling
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le samedi 10 novembre 2007 à 12:51 +0100, Joerg Schilling a écrit : > > A GPL "work" that uses a CDDL library _may_ be a derived work from the CDDL > > library. The CDDL library is definitely not a derived work of it's uers. > > Of course. But the *co

Re: The legality of cdrecord

2007-11-10 Thread Joerg Schilling
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le samedi 10 novembre 2007 à 12:35 +0100, Joerg Schilling a écrit : > > > > The GPL explicitely allows to use code under other licenses from GPL > > > > code. > > > > > > No, it does not. If you think it does, please point the line where it > > > "exp

"rescuing" code from the GPL

2007-11-10 Thread Shriramana Sharma
Hello. Please inform me kindly if this Q is OT for this list. I have a question. I will illustrate it by means of a highly simple programming situation. Please look at the following images (each is only 6 KB) to get a syntax-highlighted program. http://h1.ripway.com/jamadagni/01-noqt-nothir

Re: The legality of wodim

2007-11-10 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 10 novembre 2007 à 16:39 +0100, Joerg Schilling a écrit : > So make sure that "wodim" prints something like: > > "This program is known to have bugs that are not present in the original > software" > > and it mets the rules. Sorry, but we are not allowed to display false statements li

Re: binary only files in orig.tar.gz of mozilla products on debian

2007-11-10 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 07:23:51PM +0530, Shriramana Sharma wrote: > See: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/121734 > > This does not seem to have been fixed in Debian, judging by the orig.tar.gz > shown as got from upstream at: > > http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/ice

Re: Policy on Binary Firmware Fetching in Main (e.g. foo2zjs)

2007-11-10 Thread John Halton
On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 12:32:08AM -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote: > the first is that packages in main should not have any dependencies > on non-free software. however, debian policy is not entirely clear > on the issue. section 2.2.1 says "... the packages in main must not > require a package outsi

Re: binary only files in orig.tar.gz of mozilla products on debian

2007-11-10 Thread John Halton
On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 07:23:51PM +0530, Shriramana Sharma wrote: > Apologies if this is the wrong place to report this. I'm reporting this > here only because I thought this is also the place to bring to notice legal > problems in Debian. Should I file a Debian bug? Have you checked the conten

binary only files in orig.tar.gz of mozilla products on debian

2007-11-10 Thread Shriramana Sharma
See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/121734 This does not seem to have been fixed in Debian, judging by the orig.tar.gz shown as got from upstream at: http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/iceweasel which is 42 MB as against Ubuntu's 34 MB seen at: http://packages.ubu

Re: The legality of wodim

2007-11-10 Thread Joerg Schilling
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le vendredi 09 novembre 2007 à 21:28 +0100, Joerg Schilling a écrit : > > there is a problem in wodim. > > > > The GPL and the Urheberrecht both forbid to publish modified versions that > > harm the reputation of the Author. > > There is nothing

Re: The legality of wodim

2007-11-10 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 10 novembre 2007 à 12:57 +0100, Joerg Schilling a écrit : > Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There is nothing like that in the GPL. It only forbids misrepresentation > > of the Author's work. > > You seem to missinterpret the GPL. > If the software is modified by someone

Re: The legality of cdrecord

2007-11-10 Thread Joerg Schilling
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le vendredi 09 novembre 2007 à 11:14 +0100, Joerg Schilling a écrit : > > Other code that is not derived from the GPL code is not part of "the work": > > > > - You do not need to put "non-derived" code under the GPL. > > You are basing all of your r

Re: The legality of cdrecord

2007-11-10 Thread Joerg Schilling
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le jeudi 08 novembre 2007 à 11:15 +0100, Joerg Schilling a écrit : > > "John Halton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > As has been said already, the GPL does allow non-GPL code to appear in > > > GPL projects, but it requires that code then to be distri

Re: The legality of cdrecord

2007-11-10 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 10 novembre 2007 à 12:51 +0100, Joerg Schilling a écrit : > A GPL "work" that uses a CDDL library _may_ be a derived work from the CDDL > library. The CDDL library is definitely not a derived work of it's uers. Of course. But the *combined work* that is constituted by the CDDL library a

Re: The legality of cdrecord

2007-11-10 Thread Joerg Schilling
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le vendredi 09 novembre 2007 à 11:59 +0100, Joerg Schilling a écrit : > > Please first rething the rest of your text as you did base your claims > > in a way that misses the fact that the GPL makes a clear difference between > > "the work" and "the who

Re: The legality of cdrecord

2007-11-10 Thread Joerg Schilling
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le mardi 06 novembre 2007 à 22:10 +0100, Joerg Schilling a écrit : > > Don't belive a site that publishes an incorrect FAQ for their own license. > > Don't believe people who make inappropriate generalisations. > > Don't believe people who do not discu

Re: The legality of cdrecord

2007-11-10 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 10 novembre 2007 à 12:35 +0100, Joerg Schilling a écrit : > > > The GPL explicitely allows to use code under other licenses from GPL code. > > > > No, it does not. If you think it does, please point the line where it > > "explicitly" allows it. > > Well, _I_ did already explain why this

Re: GPL 3 and derivatives

2007-11-10 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 06:15:17 +0530 Shriramana Sharma wrote: > Francesco Poli wrote: > >> Looking at the explanation: neutralising EUCD/DMCA-type laws is > >> good, but using GPLv3 comes with the cost of endorsing things like > >> the Affero GPL. > > > > ... and despite its length, it does not eve