Re: Freedom to modify other literary work, was: [...GFDL...] documentation eq software ?

2003-08-29 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
to see the Grateful Dead. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: Freedom to modify other literary work, was: [...GFDL...] documentation eq software ?

2003-08-29 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
is already possible with any book. There are so many cases where that isn't true it's not even worth listing them all. Yes, in general, copyright law should not inhibit the propagation of ideas. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-29 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
and defeated months ago. Please go read the archives and think about what they say before doing this. Or at least read Nathaniel Nerode's FAQ -- the link's in the archives for this month. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-29 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
brother comes along, he's far larger and meatier than I am. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: documentation eq software ?

2003-08-29 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
is not). This is wonderful: it means, for example, that authors of a hypothetical Free Invariant Document Guidelines will be able to derive from the DFSG. But the authors of a Free Document Manifesto will not be able to derive from the GNU Manifesto, because it is not Free. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: SUN RPC code is DFSG-free

2003-08-29 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
a compatible license. Do you have a proof for this permission? Well, Sun distributes glibc, doesn't it? -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: documentation eq software ?

2003-08-29 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) a tapoté : Please point out which parts of Emacs documentation are invariant. If I'm not mistaking, these parts express some personal feelings. Personals feelings are not something that can be enhanced

GFDL (Was Re: documentation eq software ?)

2003-08-29 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
The very text of the GFDL which you quote gives permission for translations as the *only* kind of derivative work possible for Invariant Sections: in particular, annotations are not permitted. Either way, we've gotten way off on a tangent. The GFDL does not meet the DFSG. I present two pieces

Re: Can the FSF be corrupted

2003-08-30 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) a tapoté : You argue that RMS is incorruptible? I do. I present as a counterargument the GFDL. The GFDL did not reached a consensus as the GPL is in the free software world, sure. But I wonder which part

Re: Can the FSF be corrupted

2003-08-30 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There no contradiction with the Invariant part option: no invariant part can describe a particular function. You can provide an accurate documentation without changing a text written by the original author that explain why he started to write the

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-30 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Rick Moen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Quoting paul cannon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): How about this scenario: 1- A hostile group gets control of the FSF (treachery, trickery, bribery, lawsuits, ...?) 2- They release a new version of the GPLv4, which states that this software should be

Re: documentation eq software ?

2003-08-30 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If the GFDL invariant section was used to include political statement that have nothing to do with computers (like racist statement, as proposed before), I would find normal to trash these documentation that use the GFDL invariant section for a purpose

Re: Is the OSL DFSG free?

2003-09-02 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
could not use it to write programs for pay. Those licenses discriminate against a field of endeavor (actually against all commercial fields of endeavor). -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: Is the OSL DFSG free?

2003-09-03 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Gerfried Fuchs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Brian T. Sniffen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-09-02 15:32]: Gerfried Fuchs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-09-02 18:46]: In its ultimate form, the MIT/X11 license is non-free because it discriminates against people

Re: vrms and contrib installers

2003-09-03 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
without purging it. If you want the installer and the installed non-free software gone, purge the package. You have not studied this issue even enough to make factual complaints. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: GPL preamble removal

2003-09-03 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
can tell, this meets the requirements for creating a new license based on the GPL, and meets the requirements for distributing GPL'd software. Thanks for your time, Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: GPL preamble removal

2003-09-03 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Keith Dunwoody [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brian T. Sniffen wrote: OK. I have a copy of Emacs here, licensed to me under the GNU GPL2. I have made some modifications to it, and updated the changelogs and history notes. I wish to give it to a friend. Section 2b requires that I distribute my

Re: stepping in between Debian and FSF

2003-09-05 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
unsuccessful. [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200308/msg01022.html [2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200308/msg01210.html [3] http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2003/debian-project-200308/msg00089.html -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: stepping in between Debian and FSF

2003-09-05 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 12:28:42PM -0400, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: I think it would be more accurate to say that neither of these worthies is willing to delay Sarge for removal of GFDL works. The GNU Emacs, GCC, and GDB maintainers could do so

Re: Attribution-ShareAlike License

2003-09-11 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
that would allow me to directly edit PDF files? If not, then Florian may have a point. Emacs. Vim. PDF files *are*, to some extent, editable as text. You probably won't enjoy the experience, but they're not any worse than most machine-generated postscript. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-15 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would appreciate if in future you would restrict you comments to the need for the Invariant sections within the GFDL. The issue at hand for Debian is whether to include GFDL-covered manuals in the Debian GNU/Linux system. I am sticking to

Re: Software definition, was: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-15 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
often but not always carries a connotation of executability, but never has such denotation. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-15 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
good use of this situation. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-15 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Monday, Sep 15, 2003, at 12:15 US/Eastern, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: GPL 6 doesn't say that you may place restrictions on some copies, as long as your provide an unrestricted copy as well. Instead it says you may place no restrictions. You

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-18 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
substance of TeX. This is not true. There is no way for me to create a work of free software which is a derivative work of the Emacs Manual. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-18 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
be created as a derivative work of a GFDL-licensed manual with invariant sections. Also, the requirement to distribute a transparent form appears to violate DFSG 2, since it does not permit distribution in source code as well as compiled form. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: Robinson, Nerode and other free beer zealots was: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-18 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
under the GPL, everyone will be free. In an all-GFDL world, the mishmash of invariant sections mean that people will still not be free, and we might be further from freedom than we are now. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-18 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) writes: The GFDL allows you to make any changes you like in the technical substance of the manual, just as the TeX license allows you to make any changes you like in the technical substance of TeX

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-19 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thursday, Sep 18, 2003, at 11:24 US/Eastern, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Also, the requirement to distribute a transparent form appears to violate DFSG 2, since it does not permit distribution in source code as well as compiled form. Brian, I'm

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-19 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
: http://stock.coleumes.org/doc.php?i=/misc-files/flawed-english -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-19 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
: you can copy the data on the CD, but not the packaging art. The packaging art is clearly not software -- it's not even digital -- so this is much less of an issue. -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-19 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Brian W. Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anthony DeRobertis writes: I understand that; in fact, I was one of the many people who pointed out that problem. But that's not what Brian said --- he said that there is a violation of DFSG 2 since it does not permit 'distribution in source code as

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-20 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Friday, Sep 19, 2003, at 19:43 US/Eastern, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: I, um, think he meant me, given I *did* say there is a violation of DFSG 2, since binary-only distribution is not permitted. Ah! Yeah, that must be what I meant... I'm

Re: GPL preamble removal

2003-09-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brian T. Sniffen wrote: OK. I have a copy of Emacs here, licensed to me under the GNU GPL2. I have made some modifications to it, and updated the changelogs and history notes. I wish to give it to a friend. Section 2b requires that I distribute my

Re: What does GFDL do?

2003-09-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
and is an awkward position from which to begin producing such a card. [The closest I came was removing a single document from a collection of documents, but then you have to follow the rules applying to verbatim copying, which doesn't seem to grant us anything usefull.] Don Armstrong -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: What does GFDL do?

2003-09-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
containing the GPL on every Debian system? I understand that these are questions with complicated answers, and I appreciate your efforts to answer them. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: PennMUSH license concerns.

2003-09-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
may distribute my work under the CAL and I licence my work to you under the CAL. If the e-mail exchange must be kept confidential, a statement from Mr. Schwartz to this effect and listing the various copyright holders who have given permission will do. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: There was never a chance of a GFDL compromise

2003-09-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
political tracts -- that without them being Invariant sections tied to the documentation, they won't get enough air time to promote Free Software -- somewhat confusing. It appears they'd get more exposure, not less, from being Free as in Software. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think that section titles are a problem--it would not be hard to put them in a program. In a *binary executable* ?!?! That's what I'm talking about here. I am not sure if you are right; this might be impossible or it might be

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: None of these differences correctly classifies Hello as both a program and documentation, as far as I can tell. Hello is an example program. Yes... and thus both program and documentation. It is difficult to deal with such

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-23 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
in Debian, regardless of the freedoms these grant Debian's users. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-24 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think it needs to be possible to use text from manuals in a program. A manual is free if you can publish modified versions as manuals. And is a text editor free if you can only publish modified versions as text

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-24 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your casual suggestion to pick whichever seems better leaves out the object: better for whom? For the Free Software community? For the Free Software Foundation, whose goals are quite different? That is a cheap shot, because it reflects

Re: What does GFDL do?

2003-09-26 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While you are free to state the terms by which the GFDL should be interpreted for GNU documentation, this is not always the case. We have in the past seen cases where copyright holders have interpreted seemingly unambiguous statements

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-26 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
? is itself biased. Consider the alternatives: 1. Is this MP3 file software or hardware? 2. Can an MP3 file be Free Software? -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: GFDL

2003-09-26 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
our reasoning to you and other GNU members who asked. We have asked for your reasoning and been rebuffed. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-26 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) a tapoté : Carl Witty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Software is not a controversial word in English (roughly inverse of hardware in one sense). Some people advocate a bizarre definition of it in order to further

Re: License requirements for DSP binaries?

2003-09-26 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 08:25:44PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: If it's licensed under the GPL, and no source is provided, then it can not be distributed at all, not even in non-free, unless there never was source to begin with. (I assume this

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-27 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) a tapoté : 1. Is this MP3 file software or hardware? This is one is definitely worse: you explicitely point out which definition of the word software you think is the most usual, by asking to refer

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-28 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You have previously suggested we should consider whether documentation is free, based on the four basic freedoms as specified on http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/ . That includes 'the freedom to run the program, for any purpose'. Since a

Re: coupling software documentation and political speech in the GFDL

2003-09-28 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Dylan Thurston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 2003-09-26, Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The conflict is around the need professed by FSF to hitch political speech to the cart of software documentation, and the fact that Debian, while it may have been designed in part to achive a social

Re: committee for FSF-Debian discussion

2003-09-28 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Perens) writes: The following persons have agreed to serve on a committee regarding the FSF - Debian discussion: Eben Moglen, Attorney for the Free Software Foundation. Henri Poole, Board member, Free Software Foundation. Benj. Mako Hill, Debian.

Re: snippets

2003-09-29 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Debian is 100% Free Software as an advantage of removing them, which is why you don't see a convincing case: I don't see a convincing case here for removing them. It is not uncommon to be unconvinced when all convincing arguments have been neglected. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: committee for FSF-Debian discussion

2003-09-30 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
clause, and the definition of transparent forms. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: GFDL

2003-09-30 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
it to document... wait, they'd be distributing Emacs, and making the GPL available to users, and a dozen news organizations would report that Microsoft was distributing Free Software and link to the FSF web site. What's the problem, again? -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-07 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Gabucino [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Glenn Maynard wrote: One version of VirtualDub could read ASF files, and that was quickly removed. That was back in 2000, and I just checked: the news entries appear to have fallen off the site. There is a significant part to these patent enforcement

Re: Licensing requirements ???

2003-10-10 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
other popular licensing models ; -- Best Regards, mds mds resource 877.596.8237 - Dare to fix things before they break . . . - Our capacity for understanding is inversely proportional to how much we think we know. The more I know, the more I know I don't know . . . -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: Swiss Ephemeris Public License

2003-10-10 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: If you do not meet the requirements in the SEPL, for example if - you develop and distribute software which is sold for a fee higher than a reasonable copy charge - or/and you develop and distribute

Re: If not GFDL, then what?

2003-10-13 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
from it, or perhaps a separate license to the publisher. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: If not GFDL, then what?

2003-10-13 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
the bug fixes and new feature added by Bob: she can simply disregard material X, no matter what it is. She cannot use the material in Bob's documentation, though, without importing repugnant or false statements. Bob has succeeded in taking the documentation proprietary. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: If not GFDL, then what?

2003-10-13 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 2003-10-13 19:58:58 +0100 Brian T. Sniffen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alice distributes a program, under the GPL, and a documentation package for that program under the GFDL. Because she is the copyright holder, she distributes them together. Nobody else

Re: If not GFDL, then what?

2003-10-13 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Peter S Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brian T. Sniffen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 2003-10-13 19:58:58 +0100 Brian T. Sniffen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alice distributes a program, under the GPL, and a documentation package for that program under

Re: If not GFDL, then what?

2003-10-14 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 22:01, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Let's say Alice's installer uses secret-sharing or error-correcting codes to meld the program and the documentation, then produce separate works from them. Like tar czf? Not quite what I had

Re: If not GFDL, then what?

2003-10-14 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
, but merely acting on physical objects -- not making any creative or artistic changes -- I suspect what he's doing is compliant with the GPL, especially if the particular author says it is. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: Packaging Swiss Ephemeris Free Edition for Debian GNU/Linux

2003-10-14 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
it's pretty clear that Mr. Treindl does not want Swiss Ephemeris to be free software: freedom to exploit the software for commercial benefit is a necessary component of Debian's definition of Freedom. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Advices on choosing a documentation license for an upstream project

2003-11-04 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
=1version=unstablerelease=all - Debian Statement about GFDL: http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.xhtml -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: Invariant name in hello's debian/rules file

2003-11-04 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
more than copyright law does. If you are cutting the file down enough that this becomes an inconvenience, there's probably no copyright in those snippets. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: GPL flaw?

2003-11-06 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
that this isn't an issue. :-) -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: Legality of .DEBS in Medialinux.

2003-11-10 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
regarding the laws and how they interact with software. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: Legality of .DEBS in Medialinux.

2003-11-13 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Marco Ghirlanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Knoppix should be distributing the source from the same location that you would get the CD, so its still compliant with the GPL. Really I couldn't find the sources of Knoppix anywhere. http://developer.linuxtag.net/knoppix/ looks like a good place to

Re: Legality of .DEBS in Medialinux.

2003-11-13 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripsit Lucas Nussbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marco Ghirlanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This I don't understand. Seems like I have to create an ISO with only the sources. no. What you can do is add written offer to provide the sources to whoever ask

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-14 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Apache from anyone who doesn't agree. Yes, this means unscrupulous or even just secretive companies can fork Apache and integrate their proprietary, patented technology. That would be unfortunate. But the freedom to do that is a necessary freedom. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-14 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) And, as it happens, companies do grant free patent licenses: it's common practice when working on a standard which must be approved by a standards body with a RF policy: typically, the patent is licensed

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-14 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The argument proposed was attempting to say No company is ever going to grant free patent licenses; I pointed out the argument applies equally to software And I point out that it doesn't. If the company patent their invention at all, it must be

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-14 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripsit Brian T. Sniffen Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And I point out that it doesn't. If the company patent their invention at all, it must be because they intend to restrict people from using it (or at least keep an option open

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-14 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 12:58:39AM +, Henning Makholm wrote: In the current patent-litigation context, a large stable of patents to cross-license is considered a vitally important corporate defense strategy. Yes, but a patent could not be part

Re: Proposed Apache license patent/reciprocity issues

2003-11-16 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MJ == MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MJ On 2003-11-15 04:14:44 + Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] MJ wrote: It only revokes the patent license, not the whole license. Since Debian, to a large extent, only concerns itself with

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-17 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
a *little* more reasonable. But given that, for example, IBM has contributed to Apache, I cannot sue IBM for patent infringement without losing my license to use Apache. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-17 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
their unrelated patents at no cost, or give up their right to use (his patents in) Apache. The two paths provided, then, are payment or arbitrary revocation of the license. That's non-free. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-17 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
out a quick settlement -- even if both patents on both sides are bullshit -- than to slog through the courts. This isn't nice, it isn't good, it isn't right -- but it isn't Debian's fight, or Apache's, and this isn't the right way to solve it. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-17 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Added license@apache.org to this subthread, since my final question is directed to them. Please CC debian-legal on replies. On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 11:36:10AM -0500, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: This isn't nice, it isn't good, it isn't right

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-17 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 11:36:10AM -0500, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: If the lawsuit filed against you has *no* merit, that's true. But in practice, given the current broken state of the American patent law system, it's much, much cheaper to countersue

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-17 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) 5. Reciprocity. If You institute patent litigation against any entity (including a cross-claim or counterclaim in a lawsuit) alleging that a Contribution and/or the Work, without modification (other than modifications

Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-18 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
to mention inspirations and contributions *in the talk*. So I would read this clause as requiring acknowledgement of inspiration and origins in advertising material, sales pitches, and documentation. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-20 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 07:45:04PM -0500, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: In the current patent-litigation context, a large stable of patents to cross-license is considered a vitally important corporate defense strategy. *shrug* That's not our problem

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-20 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripsit Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 07:43:01PM -0500, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: There is also no way to be sure that the next minor upstream Emacs release will still be entirely free software, and Debian has been

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-25 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
GOTO Masanori [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:01:39 -0500, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: I'm confused -- and don't read Japanese. But let me get one thing straight: what Hitachi distributed were strictly bitmap fonts, right? No metafont, truetype, or postscript font outlines

Re: simplest copyleft license for a wiki

2003-11-25 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
to the GPL or MIT/X11 licenses. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-26 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
for many years (most recently, the 102nd Congress' H.R. 1790) which, if passed, would protect typeface design. If such a bill is enacted, the above opinion will be obsolete and incorrect. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-25 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
GOTO Masanori [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:35:10 +, Andrew Suffield wrote: [1 text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)] On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 09:52:01AM +0900, GOTO Masanori wrote: At Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:36:40 +0100, Osamu Aoki wrote: One of

Re: Source only opensource licence.

2003-12-05 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Franck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, We are currently working on a web-developpement tool for a private company. The people who fund the project are okay to give opensource a try, but they insist on some restrictions. (for the business model to be sucessful). The licence

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-06 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Måns Rullgård) writes: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This now gets into the hazy realm where it's best not to go - a court could decide either way. The argument is, approximately, that by shipping the whole lot together you are creating a derived work that

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-07 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Måns Rullgård) writes: The thing is that, in my case, some very good functionality is provided by plugins using GPL'd libraries. I want to make sure I can distribute those plugins, at least as source. For reasons that should be obvious, I'd rather not touch the GPL. The

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-08 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Måns Rullgård) writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) writes: I don't know the details of who writes the SSL support for Konq or how it's done, nor do I have any machines with Konqueror on them in front of me right now, so I can't comment on that. Ah, found

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-08 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Måns Rullgård) writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) writes: What I'm trying to find out is, whether or not it's allowed to write a plugin, using GPL,d libraries, for a program with MIT license, for which there also exists plugins using OpenSSL (or anything GPL

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-08 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Måns Rullgård) writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) writes: What I'm trying to find out is, whether or not it's allowed to write a plugin, using GPL,d libraries, for a program with MIT license, for which there also exists plugins using OpenSSL (or anything GPL

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-08 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) writes: I don't know the details of who writes the SSL support for Konq or how it's done, nor do I have any machines with Konqueror on them in front of me right now, so I can't comment on that. Ah, found it -- Debian KDE list, late July 2002: Konqueror

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-09 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
. But the combination of the host and the plugin is a derivative of the plugin -- or is a compilation containing the plugin, or is a mere aggregation containing the plugin, depending on the intent of the author of that combination. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: [POSITION SUMMARY] Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-09 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
to distribute AIE and INVERT will essentially be bound by the GPL with regards to AIE, even though it is under the MIT/X11 license: they received it under the terms of the GPL, not under the terms of the X11 license. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-09 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 01:36:46PM -0500, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: The KDE folks have, from what I've seen, been quite careful with licensing issues. That sentence made me snarf. Do people not remember the history of KDE and Debian? Of course

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