Re: Are Debian logos still non-free?

2005-02-23 Thread Daniel Goldsmith
On 22 Feb 2005 15:07:32 GMT, MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If www.debian.org.uk wants to sell debian, then fine - I only dislike them because they're now selling SuSE and Linux consultancy without making it clear they're not debian (at http://www.debian.org.uk/b2b/linux-support/ ) To say

Re: Are Debian logos still non-free?

2005-02-23 Thread MJ Ray
Daniel Goldsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of that seems to have any connection at all with Debian GNU/Linux, and IMO seriously devalues the Debian name by inferred connection and/or approval. Actually, if they just had the rest of it, I wouldn't be so bothered and it's probably out of

Re: Are Debian logos still non-free?

2005-02-22 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 10:28:32PM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote: On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:12:37 + Andrew Suffield wrote: Formally stated, it's approximately trademarks cannot make a work strictly non-free, but you may have to replace all instances of the trademark with something else.

Re: Are Debian logos still non-free?

2005-02-22 Thread Lewis Jardine
On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 10:28:32PM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote: On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:12:37 + Andrew Suffield wrote: Formally stated, it's approximately trademarks cannot make a work strictly non-free, but you may have to replace all instances of the trademark with something else. Depending

Re: Are Debian logos still non-free?

2005-02-22 Thread MJ Ray
Lewis Jardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would I be correct in saying that as long as copyright is not infringed, it is fine to distribute art that is used as a trademark, as long as you do not use it as a trademark. As a concrete example, if I were to distribute 'foo Linux', that contained a

Re: Are Debian logos still non-free?

2005-02-22 Thread Francesco Poli
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:25:06 + Andrew Suffield wrote: With this in mind, I would say Debian wants to stay in the former kind of trademark encumbered works... Thus, no trademarked logos in main or contrib, right? Just to clarify, here I was referring to trademarked *Debian* logos.

Re: Are Debian logos still non-free?

2005-02-21 Thread Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader
* Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-02-20 18:17]: I'm wondering whether there has been any progress on the Debian Open Use Logo issue... There has been some progress. Gregory Pomerantz, SPI's legal council, has written a copyright assignment agreement and the arist of the logo has agreed

Re: Are Debian logos still non-free?

2005-02-21 Thread Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader
* Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-02-21 22:33]: Any plans for the trademark side of the issue? I asked Matthew Garrett to work on an appropriate license. He sent a mail to spi-trademark in August (and a follow-up in September) but it never went anywhere. I'll ask him to send another

Re: Are Debian logos still non-free?

2005-02-21 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:21:30 + Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader wrote: * Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-02-21 22:33]: Any plans for the trademark side of the issue? I asked Matthew Garrett to work on an appropriate license. He sent a mail to spi-trademark in August

Are Debian logos still non-free?

2005-02-20 Thread Francesco Poli
Hi all! :) I'm wondering whether there has been any progress on the Debian Open Use Logo issue... Quoting from http://www.debian.org/logos/ | Debian Open Use Logo License | | Copyright (c) 1999 Software in the Public Interest | This logo or a modified version may be used by anyone to refer to

Re: Are Debian logos still non-free?

2005-02-20 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 06:17:45PM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote: Last time we talked about the Debian logo issue, I almost came to the conclusion that trademarks are orthogonal to DFSG-freeness. But then, the Mozilla trademark issue almost completely changed my mind. See also