Re: Free Debian logos? [was: Re: GUADEC report]

2004-07-24 Thread Josh Triplett
Nathanael Nerode wrote: No, you stated it fine. A Free logo would be usable unmodified as the logo for another project or website. That would probably cause confusion with Debian, but it is a legitimate use for a Free logo. We have accepted must-change-name clauses (which are worse) in the

Re: Free Debian logos? [was: Re: GUADEC report]

2004-07-19 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 10:45:10PM -0400, Chloe Hoffman wrote: Companies like Apple and General Electric would be disappointed to hear that. I think you meant that dictionary words can't be trademarked where those words are clearly descriptive of the goods and services in association with

Re: Free Debian logos? [was: Re: GUADEC report]

2004-07-19 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 12:15:31PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: General Electric is two words; MS has lost that game before now too (IBM Works does not infringe Microsoft Works). Apple's probably lawyer-bait. The important issue with trademarks is whether or not the word or phrase has some

Re: Free Debian logos? [was: Re: GUADEC report]

2004-07-19 Thread Lewis Jardine
Andrew Suffield wrote: General Electric is two words; MS has lost that game before now too (IBM Works does not infringe Microsoft Works). Apple's probably lawyer-bait. How about Boots, Caterpillar, Dell, Ford, Game, Nestle, Shell, Sky, Next, etc.? Are all these trademarks lawyer-bait as

Re: Free Debian logos? [was: Re: GUADEC report]

2004-07-19 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 05:43:23PM +0100, Lewis Jardine wrote: Andrew Suffield wrote: General Electric is two words; MS has lost that game before now too (IBM Works does not infringe Microsoft Works). Apple's probably lawyer-bait. How about Boots, Caterpillar, Dell, Ford, Game,

Re: Free Debian logos? [was: Re: GUADEC report]

2004-07-18 Thread Josh Triplett
Lewis Jardine wrote: Josh Triplett wrote: A Free logo would be usable unmodified as the logo for another project or website. That would probably cause confusion with Debian, but it is a legitimate use for a Free logo. - Josh Triplett Trademarks are fundamentally different from

Re: Free Debian logos? [was: Re: GUADEC report]

2004-07-18 Thread Chloe Hoffman
Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-legal@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 6:31 PM Subject: Re: Free Debian logos? [was: Re: GUADEC report] On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 03:34:08PM +0100, Lewis Jardine wrote: Josh Triplett wrote: A Free logo would be usable unmodified as the logo

Re: Free Debian logos? [was: Re: GUADEC report]

2004-07-17 Thread Lewis Jardine
Josh Triplett wrote: A Free logo would be usable unmodified as the logo for another project or website. That would probably cause confusion with Debian, but it is a legitimate use for a Free logo. - Josh Triplett Trademarks are fundamentally different from copyrights. Things which are too

Re: Free Debian logos? [was: Re: GUADEC report]

2004-07-17 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 03:34:08PM +0100, Lewis Jardine wrote: Josh Triplett wrote: A Free logo would be usable unmodified as the logo for another project or website. That would probably cause confusion with Debian, but it is a legitimate use for a Free logo. - Josh Triplett Trademarks

Re: Re: Free Debian logos? [was: Re: GUADEC report]

2004-07-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
No, you stated it fine. A Free logo would be usable unmodified as the logo for another project or website. That would probably cause confusion with Debian, but it is a legitimate use for a Free logo. We have accepted must-change-name clauses (which are worse) in the past based on the reasoning

Re: Free Debian logos? [was: Re: GUADEC report]

2004-07-16 Thread Josh Triplett
Nathanael Nerode wrote: Josh Triplett wrote: Nathanael Nerode wrote: Trademark license: You may use this logo or a modified version of it to refer to Debian. You may not use this logo, or any confusingly similar logo, to refer to anything else in a way which might cause confusion with Debian.

Re: Free Debian logos? [was: Re: GUADEC report]

2004-07-15 Thread Nathanael Nerode
MJ Ray wrote: I suspect a first step is to split the licences into copyright and trademark sections if possible. That's not necessarily necessary if it's a very permissive license and is written very carefully, but it is probably a good idea. I assume this needs to be a US law copyright

Re: Free Debian logos? [was: Re: GUADEC report]

2004-07-15 Thread Josh Triplett
Nathanael Nerode wrote: Here's my model no-nonsense license (for the Open Use logo; I'm not going to worry about the other one). Copyright license: You may copy, distribute, modify, and distribute modified versions of this logo. Good idea to make distribute modified versions explicit, but

Re: Free Debian logos? [was: Re: GUADEC report]

2004-07-15 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Josh Triplett wrote: Nathanael Nerode wrote: Here's my model no-nonsense license (for the Open Use logo; I'm not going to worry about the other one). Copyright license: You may copy, distribute, modify, and distribute modified versions of this logo. Good idea to make distribute

Re: Free Debian logos? [was: Re: GUADEC report]

2004-07-12 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-07-10 23:13:50 +0100 Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO, Debian logos should be DFSG-free. Their appropriate use should be enforced via trademark laws, not copyright ones, if this is possible. Great. Please review

Re: Free Debian logos? [was: Re: GUADEC report]

2004-07-12 Thread Josh Triplett
MJ Ray wrote: On 2004-07-10 23:13:50 +0100 Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO, Debian logos should be DFSG-free. Their appropriate use should be enforced via trademark laws, not copyright ones, if this is possible. Great. Please review

Free Debian logos? [was: Re: GUADEC report]

2004-07-10 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 03:26:08 +0100 MJ Ray wrote: Maybe we should show some examples of trademark terms we like? Maybe we could even make the damn debian logo artwork into one? I think that the Debian logo issue should really be worked out. Having a Free OS with non-free logos is a sort of