Re: Hypocrisy of Debian (was: Sorry, no more RC bugs for non-free data in main ...)

2006-09-09 Thread Roberto Gordo Saez
On 9/5/06, Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Markus Laire ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060830 15:01]: This problem was mentioned in this list on _2004_ but cdrtools still hasn't been removed from Debian (see [2]). IMHO hypocrisy is perfect word to describe such behaviour. This list isn't the

Re: Hypocrisy of Debian (was: Sorry, no more RC bugs for non-free data in main ...)

2006-09-09 Thread Andreas Barth
* Roberto Gordo Saez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060909 11:22]: But there is something I do not understand. Why this list is not the place to put disagreements on the way legal issues are handled? There is nothing wrong with discussing legal issues in debian-legal, try to get a common understanding,

Re: Hypocrisy of Debian (was: Sorry, no more RC bugs for non-free data in main ...)

2006-09-05 Thread Andreas Barth
* Markus Laire ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060830 15:01]: I have somewhat similar feelings after I found out that the cdrtools-package[1] included in Debian isn't DFSG-free, but is still included in main. (Even worse, its license might even be illegal because it's GPLv2 + incombatible

Re: Hypocrisy of Debian (was: Sorry, no more RC bugs for non-free data in main ...)

2006-08-31 Thread Steve McIntyre
Markus Laire writes: On 8/30/06, Roberto Gordo Saez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this is the common feeling here, I think I made a serious mistake choosing Debian, because it does not follow my definition of freedom. I would like to urge to change the Social Contract to be clarified this in

Re: Hypocrisy of Debian (was: Sorry, no more RC bugs for non-free data in main ...)

2006-08-31 Thread Markus Laire
On 8/31/06, Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Markus Laire writes: I have somewhat similar feelings after I found out that the cdrtools-package[1] included in Debian isn't DFSG-free, but is still included in main. (Even worse, its license might even be illegal because it's GPLv2 +

Re: Hypocrisy of Debian (was: Sorry, no more RC bugs for non-free data in main ...)

2006-08-31 Thread Steve McIntyre
Markus Laire writes: On 8/31/06, Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the end, those same maintainers have given up on that as a lost cause and instead have started work on a free cdrtools fork that will ship in etch instead of cdrtools. Do you have any link/source to support the claim

Re: Hypocrisy of Debian (was: Sorry, no more RC bugs for non-free data in main ...)

2006-08-31 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Markus Laire said: On 8/31/06, Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Markus Laire writes: I used to believe that Debian only included legal, DFSG-free software in main, but cdrtools fiasco seems to prove that I was wrong. Ever since the issue in cdrtools was

Re: Hypocrisy of Debian (was: Sorry, no more RC bugs for non-free data in main ...)

2006-08-31 Thread Markus Laire
On 8/31/06, Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This one time, at band camp, Markus Laire said: So they've been doing this for 2 years, and have included non-DFSG-free cdrtools in main while doing so? They even shipped Sarge with this known non-DFSG-free package in main? IMHO cdrtools

Re: Hypocrisy of Debian (was: Sorry, no more RC bugs for non-free data in main ...)

2006-08-30 Thread Markus Laire
On 8/30/06, Roberto Gordo Saez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this is the common feeling here, I think I made a serious mistake choosing Debian, because it does not follow my definition of freedom. I would like to urge to change the Social Contract to be clarified this in this case. I'm serious

Re: Hypocrisy of Debian (was: Sorry, no more RC bugs for non-free data in main ...)

2006-08-30 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Markus Laire wrote: On 8/30/06, Roberto Gordo Saez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this is the common feeling here, I think I made a serious mistake choosing Debian, because it does not follow my definition of freedom. I would like to urge to change the Social Contract to be clarified this in