SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-09-30 Thread Matthias Firner
Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published by the Free Software Foundation, is not a license

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-09-30 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 05:41:09PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: We've already had this survey. Can you perhaps say why you are taking yet another, why you think the conclusions might be different, and what you think the survey is intended to show? I believe he was responding to the

Re: [RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-31 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 04:39:05PM -0700, Matt Taggart wrote: IMHO This is _not_ appropriate for debian-devel-announce. It's not a soapbox, please keep your messages purely informational in the future. (If I haven't critizied others for doing the same thing, sorry. Maybe it was because your's

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-30 Thread Martin Schulze
Branden Robinson wrote: === CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published by

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-30 Thread Richard Braakman
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 10:47:45PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: On 2003-08-28 21:51:41 +0100 Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op do 28-08-2003, om 20:02 schreef MJ Ray: Ye gods! Who knew that software was such a contentious word? Agreed. Perhaps we should... ... Oh, wait. I already suggested

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-30 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-08-30 23:27:44 +0100 Richard Braakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and I said yes, but you should do it properly and define all the words, just to be on the safe side. Got anything new to say, or is the day stuck again? If someone proposes to go out for a walk because it's such a

Re: [RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-30 Thread Matt Taggart
CC me on replies. Thanks. Branden Robinson writes... A little over one week ago, I posted a survey[1] to the debian-legal mailing list, requesting the opinion of subscribers regarding one of a pair of related questions that have been asked with increasing frequency on that list, and in a few

Re: [RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Walter Landry
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2003-08-29 05:40:37 +0100 Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are the results of the survey. possible non- developers developers developers

[DISCUSSION] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 07:17:46PM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: On Thursday, Aug 21, 2003, at 01:09 US/Eastern, Branden Robinson wrote: [why to the mailing list...?] So people can verify the results for themselves, and will be less likely to accuse me of falsifying the results. Or so I

Re: [RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-08-29 14:57:26 +0100 Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is only meaningful if the sample is unbiased. Oh, that's a bit strong. It would still have some meaning, just not one that's useful ;-) The question is: is it an unbiased sample of those who would vote in a GR on this

Re: [RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-08-29 15:36:42 +0100 Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are several issues. - This survey was made during aout, where more than usually people can be on vacation -- yeah, I was :) I was on holiday for some of August too. I suspect that is uncorrelated with views on FDL.

Re: [RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Mathieu Roy
I conclude that there is a probability of less than 1 in 1000 that the above total vote for option 1 would have been obtained by pure chance if there was no majority for option 1 over all others. This is only meaningful if the sample is unbiased. Since the survey was announced on

Re: [RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-08-29 05:40:37 +0100 Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are the results of the survey. possible non- developers developers developers

Re: [RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-08-29 16:09:45 +0100 MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I can't see either happening. Should have read either change. Sorry to point it out, but there are some picky people in this thread.

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Joe Wreschnig ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030828 19:50]: On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 03:55, Andreas Barth wrote: So, as a ad-hoc statement it seems to me that the only way in the spirit of the Social Contract is to accept GFDL-docu if certain restrictions are

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op do 28-08-2003, om 20:02 schreef MJ Ray: Ye gods! Who knew that software was such a contentious word? Agreed. Perhaps we should... ... Oh, wait. I already suggested we'd do so. -- Wouter Verhelst Debian GNU/Linux -- http://www.debian.org Nederlandstalige Linux-documentatie --

Re: [RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Walter Landry
Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I conclude that there is a probability of less than 1 in 1000 that the above total vote for option 1 would have been obtained by pure chance if there was no majority for option 1 over all others. This is only meaningful if the sample is

Re: [RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] - It's represent only the point of view of people at debian-legal while the scope of the issue is way more general than that. The survey was announced in DWN before the polling booth closed. During the last year, DWN has ran several stories about the

Re: [RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le ven 29/08/2003 à 16:36, Mathieu Roy a écrit : - This survey was made during aout, where more than usually people can be on vacation -- yeah, I was :) Yeah, so it deprived us of your stupid arguments. What a shame. - It's represent only the point of view of people at debian-legal

[RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Branden Robinson
A little over one week ago, I posted a survey[1] to the debian-legal mailing list, requesting the opinion of subscribers regarding one of a pair of related questions that have been asked with increasing frequency on that list, and in a few other forums around the Internet. Does the GNU Free

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Andreas Barth
* Joe Wreschnig ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030828 19:50]: On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 03:55, Andreas Barth wrote: So, as a ad-hoc statement it seems to me that the only way in the spirit of the Social Contract is to accept GFDL-docu if certain restrictions are not used (except for a license text, which

Re: [RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 04:36:42PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: - This survey was made during aout, where more than usually people can be on vacation -- yeah, I was :) Yes, I'm sure that if the survey was taken at a more appropriate time, the majority of people who understand that the GFDL is

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-28 Thread Andreas Barth
=== CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published by the Free Software Foundation, is

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-28 Thread Keith Dunwoody
Andreas Barth wrote: Comment: documentation is not software, and DFSG is made with software in mind. Actually, the DSFG _was_ made with documentation in mind. Bruce Perens wrote: I intended for the entire contents of that CD to be under the rights stated in the DSFG - be they software,

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-28 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-08-28 09:55:58 +0100 Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment: documentation is not software, and DFSG is made with software in mind. [...] Please read http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200308/msg00690.html for more information on what was in mind when DFSG

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-28 Thread Richard Braakman
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 11:35:16AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Why have we another sudden influx of people who haven't read any of the history on this? (Rhetorical. I think we can guess.) I'll answer it anyway: it's because our conclusions are reaching a wider audience, which means we have more

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-28 Thread Joe Wreschnig
(Ignoring the fact that your statement about the DFSG was untrue, which has been pointed out elsewhere...) On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 03:55, Andreas Barth wrote: Having said this, we must now try to work without the special rules as good as possible, unless someone proposes these rules in time for

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-28 Thread Andreas Barth
* MJ Ray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030828 12:50]: On 2003-08-28 09:55:58 +0100 Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment: documentation is not software, and DFSG is made with software in mind. [...] Please read http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200308/msg00690.html

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-28 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 06:08:47PM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 11:35:16AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Why have we another sudden influx of people who haven't read any of the history on this? (Rhetorical. I think we can guess.) I'll answer it anyway: it's because our

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-28 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-08-28 17:30:36 +0100 Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I _have_ read the history. But in spite of Bruce words the DFSG just doesn't apply plainly to e.g. documentation. [...] You said DFSG is made with software in mind and implied that documentation is not a subset of software.

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-28 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 06:08:47PM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 11:35:16AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Why have we another sudden influx of people who haven't read any of the history on this? (Rhetorical. I think we can guess.)

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-28 Thread Francesco Potorti`
Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published by the Free Software Foundation, is not a license

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-28 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Andreas Barth wrote: Proof: e.g. look at DFSG 4: [SNIP] How does this match to docu? Source code in this context refers to the prefered form of modification which is transformed into the form or forms used by the end user or viewer. See SGML, texi, docbook, and pod for

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-28 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-08-28 21:51:41 +0100 Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op do 28-08-2003, om 20:02 schreef MJ Ray: Ye gods! Who knew that software was such a contentious word? Agreed. Perhaps we should... ... Oh, wait. I already suggested we'd do so. ...and I said yes, but you should do it

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-27 Thread Joe Moore
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 05:15:10 +, Branden Robinson wrote: === CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ X ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-27 Thread D . Goel
=== CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published by the Free Software Foundation,

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-26 Thread Jeremy Malcolm
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 05:15:10 +, Branden Robinson wrote: === CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ ] The

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-25 Thread Tore Anderson
[ Take #2; hoping to hit -legal this time, as my first attempt to reply somehow ended up on -devel. Caffeine underrun, probably. ] * Branden Robinson Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your

Re: [DISCUSSION] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-25 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-08-23 02:33:12 +0100 John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying that you would be amendable to the idea of a DFSG that is slightly modified to make it more applicable to documentation as well? I am totally opposed to modifying the DFSG. They are already clearly applicable

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-25 Thread Yven Johannes Leist
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 21 August 2003 07:09, Branden Robinson wrote: Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ X ] The GNU Free

Re: [DISCUSSION] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-24 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 11:48:57PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would hold that position. But I caution people reading this to not assume that this means I believe documentation deserves lower standards. I think that if we find ways to fix the

Re: [DISCUSSION] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-24 Thread Nathanael Nerode
John Goerzen wrote: There are some properties of documentation that make it a fundamentally different beast from the software we deal with. Some are: 1. Lack of a clear differentiation between source code and compiled form. Nope; this problem exists even with things generally agreed to be

[STATUS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-24 Thread Branden Robinson
I'm announcing a closing of the polls date for this survey. Of course, I can't stop people from replying after that date, and don't really see a reason to ask them not to. I will tabulate final results based on survey responses received by the debian-legal mailing list as of Thursday, 28 August,

Re: [STATUS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-24 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Branden Robinson [Sun, Aug 24 2003, 03:43:00AM]: possible non- developers developers developers - option 1 (no)

Re: [STATUS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-24 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 03:56, Eduard Bloch wrote: #include hallo.h * Branden Robinson [Sun, Aug 24 2003, 03:43:00AM]: possible non- developers developers developers

Re: [STATUS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-24 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 04:54, Joe Wreschnig wrote: This is in policy (and the social contract) already. Maintainers must review the source code they package. I realized after I sent this that it doesn't convey what I actually meant. Maintainers must not put non-free software in main. The only

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-24 Thread Jakob Bohm
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 12:09:54AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ X ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as

Re: [STATUS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-24 Thread Florian Weimer
Joe Wreschnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I realized after I sent this that it doesn't convey what I actually meant. Maintainers must not put non-free software in main. The only guaranteed way to meet this requirement is to review the source code they package. The guidelines only require

Re: [DISCUSSION] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-24 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 02:15:48AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: 3. Tool depencies. Is a document free if it requires non-free software to read? Provided that is a *technical* requirement and not a *legal* requirement, it's free, but must go in 'contrib'. Just like free programs which

Re: [DISCUSSION] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-24 Thread Richard Braakman
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 12:39:04AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: Yet we do routinely apply the DFSG to interpreted scripts where there is *no* differentiation between source code and compiled form. Not really; it's just that the compiled form is often transient. How is this different from

Re: [DISCUSSION] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 03:25:48PM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 12:39:04AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: Yet we do routinely apply the DFSG to interpreted scripts where there is *no* differentiation between source code and compiled form. Not really; it's just

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-24 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 09:30, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 04:59:32PM +0200, Sebastien Bacher wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/

Re: [DISCUSSION] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-24 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 06:22:13PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 03:25:48PM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 12:39:04AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: Yet we do routinely apply the DFSG to interpreted scripts where there is *no* differentiation

Re: [STATUS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-24 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dim 24/08/2003 à 10:56, Eduard Bloch a écrit : I propose to make a simple change in the DSFG (or document the license evalutiang method in the policy, whatever): differentiate between - pure FDL (which is obviously free) - tainted FDL (with invariant sections) It looks about 2 out of

Re: [DISCUSSION] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-24 Thread Richard Braakman
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 06:22:13PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 03:25:48PM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 12:39:04AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: Yet we do routinely apply the DFSG to interpreted scripts where there is *no* differentiation

Re: [STATUS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 07:42:11PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le dim 24/08/2003 à 10:56, Eduard Bloch a écrit : I propose to make a simple change in the DSFG (or document the license evalutiang method in the policy, whatever): differentiate between - pure FDL (which is obviously

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-24 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Thursday, Aug 21, 2003, at 01:09 US/Eastern, Branden Robinson wrote: [why to the mailing list...?] === CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ X ]

Re: [STATUS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-24 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Sunday, Aug 24, 2003, at 04:56 US/Eastern, Eduard Bloch wrote: - pure FDL (which is obviously free) You can only believe that (obviously free) if you have not read the list archives. Please review them, and also explain the 35 people who disagree (no) compared to at most 18 who agree

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-24 Thread David Starner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 === CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ X ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-24 Thread Dylan Thurston
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Branden Robinson wrote: Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ X ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-23 Thread Adrien de Sentenac
=== CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ X ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published by the Free Software Foundation, is

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread Sergey V. Spiridonov
John Goerzen wrote: Before I reply, I should add I still see it as wrong and misleading to apply *software* guidelines to *documentation*, which to me are fundamentally different beasts. Thus, I see the question as rather misleading. I completely agree. However, with the question narrowly

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeu 21/08/2003 à 17:07, John Goerzen a écrit : Before I reply, I should add I still see it as wrong and misleading to apply *software* guidelines to *documentation*, which to me are fundamentally different beasts. Thus, I see the question as rather misleading. Could you please explain

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread Raghavendra Bhat
Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published by the Free Software Foundation, is not a license

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
Please reply to this message, to this mailing list, answering the questions below. If you are a Debian Developer as of the date on this message, please GPG-sign your reply. GPG key not at hand, sorry. === CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread MJ Ray
Let's see if this goes correctly this time... On Thu, Aug 21, 2003, Branden Robinson wrote: === CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ X ] The GNU

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread Sam Hocevar
=== CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ X ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published by the Free Software

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread Richard Braakman
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 12:09:54AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: === CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ X ] The GNU Free Documentation License,

Re: [DISCUSSION] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread John Goerzen
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 03:29:22PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 10:07:20AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: Before I reply, I should add I still see it as wrong and misleading to apply *software* guidelines to *documentation*, which to me are fundamentally different

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread Sebastien Bacher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ X ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published by the

Re: [DISCUSSION] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread Jeremy Hankins
John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I am saying is that we need to have a two-part California-style ballot here: 1. Do you believe that DFSG should apply to documentation? 2. If DFSG should apply to documentation, what should be the disposition of GFDL according to DFSG? (This is

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread David B Harris
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:09:54 -0500 Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ X ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version

Re: [DISCUSSION] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread David B Harris
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:51:39 -0500 John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. If DFSG should apply to documentation, what should be the disposition of GFDL according to DFSG? (This is the question you asked.) I don't think that the answer to question two can be relevant unless we have

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 12:09:54AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: === CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ X ] The GNU Free Documentation License,

Re: [DISCUSSION] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-08-22 15:51:39 +0100 John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I am saying is that we need to have a two-part California-style ballot here: So, run that survey, or find someone else to run that survey, but don't carp at Branden for trying to gather data that interests him. I

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 [ X ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published by the Free Software Foundation, is not a license compatible with the Debian Free Software

Re: [DISCUSSION] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] I suspect not many people want DFSG-free Debian bits, so aren't interested in that survey, so you will need to run it. It would be very interesting to *finally* read consistent rationale in a we want DFSG-free Debian bits statement. Assuming that's

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 06:09, Branden Robinson wrote: Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ X ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published by

Re: [DISCUSSION] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 12:06:26PM -0400, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Unless I've missed something, so far there hasn't been anyone arguing that the DFSG should not apply to documentation. What there has been I would hold that position. But I caution people reading this to not assume that this

Re: [DISCUSSION] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-08-22 19:21:22 +0100 Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DFSG-free Debian bits Yes, reading it back a few hours later, I see that was a particularly clumsy phrase. By DFSG-free there, I meant free of DFSG not the other, more common sense free according to DFSG. Please edit

Re: [DISCUSSION] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 09:51:39AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: What I am saying is that we need to have a two-part California-style ballot here: 1. Do you believe that DFSG should apply to documentation? That's not a question that the readers of debian-legal can answer for the entire Project.

Re: [DISCUSSION] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread Andrew Suffield
While these issues are valid and some are quite problematic, they are not differences between documentation and software. All these things apply equally to software, and would give us just as much trouble if they ever arose for documentation. While the issues themselves are not the subject here, I

Re: [DISCUSSION] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 12:06:26PM -0400, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Unless I've missed something, so far there hasn't been anyone arguing that the DFSG should not apply to documentation. I would hold that position. But I caution people reading this to

Re: [DISCUSSION] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:36:03 -0500, John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 12:06:26PM -0400, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Unless I've missed something, so far there hasn't been anyone arguing that the DFSG should not apply to documentation. What there has been I would hold

Re: [DISCUSSION] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 08:47:17PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: On 2003-08-22 19:21:22 +0100 Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DFSG-free Debian bits Yes, reading it back a few hours later, I see that was a particularly clumsy phrase. By DFSG-free there, I meant free of DFSG not the

SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-21 Thread Branden Robinson
I am circulating this survey to gauge the level of consensus on this subject. The purpose of this survey is so that the participants in this mailing list can make an informed recommendation to the rest of the Debian Project. Please reply to this message, to this mailing list, answering the

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-21 Thread M. Drew Streib
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 12:09:54AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: === CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ ] The GNU Free Documentation License,

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-21 Thread David Schleef
=== CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ X ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published by the Free Software

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-21 Thread Stephen Stafford
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 12:09:54AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-21 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 00:09, Branden Robinson wrote: === CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ X ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2,

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-21 Thread Mark Rafn
=== CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ X ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published by the Free Software

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-21 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Branden Robinson wrote: Please reply to this message, to this mailing list, answering the questions below. If you are a Debian Developer as of the date on this message, please GPG-sign your reply. === CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-21 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published by the Free Software Foundation, is not a license

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op do 21-08-2003, om 07:09 schreef Branden Robinson: I am circulating this survey to gauge the level of consensus on this subject. The purpose of this survey is so that the participants in this mailing list can make an informed recommendation to the rest of the Debian Project. Please

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-21 Thread Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: === CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ X ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-21 Thread iain d broadfoot
* Branden Robinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ X ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-21 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ X ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published by the

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-21 Thread Walter Landry
Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ X ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published by the Free Software Foundation, is not a license

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-21 Thread Jeremy Hankins
=== CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ X ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published by the Free Software Foundation, is

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-21 Thread Stephen Ryan
=== CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ X ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published by the Free Software

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