Re: Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-07 Thread Paul Wise
On 9/6/07, Shriramana Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to search for this licensewise? Thanks. S:R) Google seems to index packages.debian.org, so perhaps something like: site:packages.debian.org inurl:copyright CC-3.0-BY -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To

Re: Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-06 Thread Shriramana Sharma
Francesco Poli wrote: Shriramana, which category does the database you need belong to? I do not understand which category you mean. It's a database of latitude/longitude/elevation data for places around the globe. See geonames.org. P.S.: I am a debian-legal subscriber, so please do not

Re: Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-06 Thread Shriramana Sharma
By the by, is CC-3.0-BY itself DFSG-free? It is not listed at http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses but since CC-1.0 is non-DFSG-free, do I assume that CC-3.0 itself is not free? I have not inlined or attached the text (nor started a separate thread) since as OP my main question is not about

Re: Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-06 Thread Shriramana Sharma
Paul Wise wrote: Other packages licensed under CC-3.0-BY are in main. For example the data in the whichwayisup game: Is there a way to search for this licensewise? Thanks. S:R) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-06 Thread MJ Ray
Shriramana Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the by, is CC-3.0-BY itself DFSG-free? [...] My understanding is that the project is treating works under CC-3.0-BY as meeting the DFSG, but the CC-3.0-BY is a confusing licence with many unresolved questions (lawyerbombs) which I prefer to avoid.

Re: Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-06 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:17:11 +0100 (BST) MJ Ray wrote: Shriramana Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the by, is CC-3.0-BY itself DFSG-free? [...] My understanding is that the project is treating works under CC-3.0-BY as meeting the DFSG, ...unfortunately, I should add... :-( but the

Re: Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-06 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:23:35 +0530 Shriramana Sharma wrote: Francesco Poli wrote: Shriramana, which category does the database you need belong to? I do not understand which category you mean. It's a database of latitude/longitude/elevation data for places around the globe. See

Re: Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 03 septembre 2007 à 12:19 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : If the program cannot work without the database, that makes it a derived work. Er, presumably the application can work with any database that's in the right format? Yes, but if there is only one existing database in this

Re: Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-05 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but if there is only one existing database in this format, I don't think that changes much. It would be pretty much like a program requiring a GPL library to work properly, but that would dlopen() it at startup. The criteria is still the derived work one. Not are

Re: Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-03 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Olive wrote: Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: If the selection of the data that was put in the database involved creative activity by its maker, then yes you need a copyright license. If the database was created by a European company, then you need a license under its database right. (No database

Re: Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-03 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 02 septembre 2007 à 19:03 +0530, Shriramana Sharma a écrit : It's a program related to astronomy that requires latitude, longitude and elevation of places to calculate sunrise, sunset etc. For that I found the database from geonames.org. This database has a certain internal

Re: Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-03 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the program cannot work without the database, that makes it a derived work. Not true: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0-faq.html#MereAggregation -- ciao, Marco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-03 Thread Ben Finney
Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Le dimanche 02 septembre 2007 à 19:03 +0530, Shriramana Sharma a écrit : It's a program related to astronomy that requires latitude, longitude and elevation of places to calculate sunrise, sunset etc. For that I found the database from

Re: Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-03 Thread Florian Weimer
* Marco d'Itri: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the program cannot work without the database, that makes it a derived work. Not true: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0-faq.html#MereAggregation Huh? A comparable FSF position in this area is the claim that programs written in

Re: Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 03:07:04PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le dimanche 02 septembre 2007 à 19:03 +0530, Shriramana Sharma a écrit : It's a program related to astronomy that requires latitude, longitude and elevation of places to calculate sunrise, sunset etc. For that I found the

Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-02 Thread Shriramana Sharma
Hello. I am working on a GPL-ed program and found this very useful database which is licensed under CC-3.0-BY. I think that since my program is going to only parse the database and not link to it in any sense of the term, it is not a problem to use this database for my program even though

Re: Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-02 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is my view correct? I can use the CC-BY-ed database for my GPL-ed program, right? Apparently yes. Anyway, the correct criteria is not linking but being a derived work. This case looks like mere aggregation. -- ciao, Marco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-02 Thread Shriramana Sharma
Marco d'Itri wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is my view correct? I can use the CC-BY-ed database for my GPL-ed program, right? Apparently yes. Anyway, the correct criteria is not linking but being a derived work. This case looks like mere aggregation. It's not mere aggregation. Mere

Re: Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-02 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Sep 02, Shriramana Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not mere aggregation. Mere aggregation is when GPL licensed Qt and Boost-licensed Boost are put on a single distribution medium. Qt does nothing to Boost and Boost does nothing to Qt. Here the program actually *uses* the database.

Re: Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-02 Thread Shriramana Sharma
Marco d'Itri wrote: Is it different from abiword opening a .doc file? Can it work with a different database? No. The program depends on the exact way that the data is laid out in the database. Maybe you should explain better what the program is and how it works. It's a program related to

Re: Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-02 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Francesco Poli wrote: Can anyone more knowledgeable than me on these topics shed some light, please? The main question is: do I really need a copyright license to use, modify and/or redistribute such a (published) database? If the selection of the data that was put in the database involved

Re: Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-02 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Sep 02, Shriramana Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you should explain better what the program is and how it works. It's a program related to astronomy that requires latitude, longitude and elevation of places to calculate sunrise, sunset etc. For that I found the database from

Re: Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-02 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 17:44:40 +0200 Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: Francesco Poli wrote: Can anyone more knowledgeable than me on these topics shed some light, please? The main question is: do I really need a copyright license to use, modify and/or redistribute such a (published) database? If

Re: Using a CC-3.0-BY file as data file for a GPL program

2007-09-02 Thread Olive
Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: Francesco Poli wrote: Can anyone more knowledgeable than me on these topics shed some light, please? The main question is: do I really need a copyright license to use, modify and/or redistribute such a (published) database? If the selection of the data that was put in