AGPL request for summary of recent discussion

2013-08-27 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Hi, there were several threads around AGPL recently, mostly re-stirred due to Horracle using AGPLv3 for Berkeley DB. I was unable to follow them totally and remember there being raised at least two points: • The inability to provide security support for AGPL software (embargoed fixes)/ • The

Re: AGPL request for summary of recent discussion

2013-08-29 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Francesco Poli paranoici.org> writes: > In the recent discussions, the main concerns were about the switch of a Yes, I know, but the discussion was raised, so I wanted to make sure. > > > So, is AGPLv3 still acceptable for main? > For the record, I personally disagree with their conclusion: F

Re: AGPL request for summary of recent discussion

2013-09-01 Thread Thorsten Glaser
MJ Ray writes: > Look, […] My reply was specifically to this newsgroup, a long-needed “request” to shut up, and explicitly *not* soliciting *your* personal(!) opinion on those licences either. I do not require the “added value”, and this newsgroup is spammed enough by the likes of you two. Besid

Re: AGPL request for summary of recent discussion

2013-09-02 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Paul Wise debian.org> writes: > Likewise. I don't appreciate the disrespectful tone some folks have > displayed in this and other recent threads. I would like to remind Oh great, and who’s going to deal with trolls then? You’re not holding Francesco to them, I’m noticing. I’ve heard that France

[OT] Re: AGPL request for summary of recent discussion

2013-09-02 Thread Thorsten Glaser
MJ Ray phonecoop.coop> writes: > Well, we "hear" things like that every time someone doesn't agree about In this case I talked with other DDs on IRC. > whether software follows the DFSG or not, yet the number of subscribers > seems to be generally increasing towards some asymptote > http://list

Re: data and software licence incompatabilities?

2013-09-04 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Clark C. Evans clarkevans.com> writes: > > Francesco Poli has been a longtime subscriber to the debian-legal mailing > > list. He has quite extensive knowledge about licensing, and is often the > > first person to answer inquiries about new licenses sent to the list. > > Not only that, but he r

Re: incompatible licenses in the debian directory

2013-09-27 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Paul Tagliamonte debian.org> writes: > So, the way *I* see this is so long as the GPL code isn't being put into > a combined work with anything (e.g. GPL'd patches), it *should* be OK. Unfortunately, GPLv3 considers build scripts (thus, d/rules plus the input for the declarative dh* commands, pl

Re: incompatible licenses in the debian directory

2013-09-27 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Paul Tagliamonte dixit: >This is a GPL restriction. Since the upstream code isn't GPL, why are >you using a GPL argument about build scripts? -- in theory this would apply >to build scripts for the GPLv3'd debian/* files, but there are none that Hm unsure. It really depends on how far you acknowl

Re: Bug#728716: RFS: xchroot/2.3.2-9 [ITP] -- Hi Debian!

2013-11-06 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Mon, 4 Nov 2013, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > This license will be considered non-free in Debian. ACK. We have a thread about this on the OSI mailing list as well: http://projects.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review/2013-November/thread.html starting at http://projects.opensource.org/piperma

Re: [License-review] For Approval: Scripting Free Software License, Version 1.3.5 (S-FSL v1.3.5)

2013-11-07 Thread Thorsten Glaser
FWIW, the GMane thread view for the Debian bug on this is: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general/1099104 The bugreport is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=728716 although I’d have put it into the ITP bug #721447 instead. Elmar Stellnberger dixit: >> What ab

Re: [License-review] For Approval: Scripting Free Software License, Version 1.3.5 (S-FSL v1.3.5)

2013-11-07 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Elmar Stellnberger dixit: > Yes, they are and the license does currently not give any restriction about > them Except for forbidding them all, because patches must be distributed separately, and distributing patched versions is forbidden. > However it is not an OSD criterium Independent on whet

Re: Creative Commons 4.0 licenses published

2013-11-28 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Thu, 28 Nov 2013, Paul Wise wrote: > Mike Linksvayer suggests upgrading to CC0 instead: This is not a good idea: CC0 is up for a rework too, they just decided to get CC 4.0 out of the door first, and the current CC0 version is *explicitly* discouraged for use with software. (Also, Public Domai

Re: Ghostscript licensing changed to AGPL

2014-05-08 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Wed, 7 May 2014, Bálint Réczey wrote: > 2014-05-07 14:37 GMT+02:00 Thorsten Glaser : > > Which you may want to do, in order to patch a security issue > > you just found, locally, before filing it upstream. > In my interpretation in this case I would have some reasonable tim

trademark vs. renamed derivates

2014-07-21 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Hi everyone, is there any example language for something like the following around already, which I could reuse? “This software Y is based on the software X, which was written by the company Z; both X and Z are trademarks, but Y is not, nor do we intend to use these trademarks (which is why we re

Re: Re: [PHP-QA] Debian and the PHP license

2014-07-30 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Pierre Joye wrote: >As Rasmus, and I, said numerous times, the PHP License is a perfectly >valid choice as long as the software are distributed under *.php.net. This reading clearly fails DFSG#3 and OSD#3 at the very least, and makes *all* software using the PHP Licence non-free, because redistri

Re: [PHP-QA] Debian and the PHP license

2014-07-30 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Lucas Nussbaum wrote: >However, based on my own (possibly limited) understanding of the >issue[1], this is case of a license (the PHP License) with sub-optimal >wording that is misused by third parties, as it was initially designed >for PHP itself, and is used for random software written in PHP.

Re: [PECL-DEV] Re: Re: [PHP-QA] Debian and the PHP license

2014-07-31 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Ángel González dixit: > On 30/07/14 22:00, Stas Malyshev wrote: >> You could not distribute other derived products bearing the name of PHP >> - but distributing PHP itself is fine, since it's not a "product derived >> from PHP" but the actual PHP. If Debian OTOH decides to make their own The actu

Re: [PECL-DEV] Re: Re: [PHP-QA] Debian and the PHP license

2014-07-31 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Ángel González dixit: > Please remember that we are just talking about changes that Debian > itself may want to perform (so it doesn't require a renaming which > would be bad both for PHP and Debian users). Right, but Debian probably (though it’s up to Ondřej Surý, the maintainer; there is no cen

W3C FSA (Final Specification Agreement)

2018-04-11 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Hi, I don’t think this has been covered yet, and, while I don’t have immediate need for this, it awoke my curiosity. From https://github.com/w3c/musicxml/issues/114 I see that the latest version of the MusicXML standard is published under the W3C FSA: “The FSA Deed is available at: https://www

Re: W3C FSA (Final Specification Agreement)

2018-04-11 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Hi Ben, >> Please keep me in Cc as I’m not subscribed to the list. > >Done, but if you want to continue this discussion please do subscribe so >you don't miss messages. meh. I can always check the web archives if someone misses this. >> I don’t think this has been covered yet, and, while I don’t

Re: W3C FSA (Final Specification Agreement)

2018-04-17 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Hi Ben >So it's essential to know what is the specific *grant of license* from >the copyright holder to recipients of the work. I posted you the specific grant in my previous eMail, did you not see it? >>>Where is the text granting specific license in that work? >> >> >> >>So, as I said, pretty

Re: [License-discuss] [Fedora-legal-list] Re: The license of OpenMotif (Open Group Public License)

2018-12-18 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Tom Callaway dixit: >On 10/26/2018 11:32 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: >> So if it's not as free everywhere as it would be in Debian, >> it's not free enough for Debian. > >It has never happened that I know of, but if there were a copyright >license which was somehow okay only in Fedora (but not for an