Re: FSF has stopped linking to Debian website
Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : * Richard Stallman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030927 17:16]: This policy has existed as long as our web site. The links to such sites were mistakes; I found out about them as a result of the recent discussion, but the removal of these links has nothing to do with that; we are just following our policy. If you find anything on www.gnu.org that doesn't follow this policy, please report it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, we can say exactly the same for Debian, just substitute web site with Debian, links with inclusion, However, Debian discourages the usage of non-free software, but the FSF encourages the usage of non-free documentation. So, it's obvious who has more reasons to remove something. PLEASE try to understand that different definition of important freedom involved here. You should said instead: However, Debian discourages the usage of non-free software according to Debian and GNU but the FSF encourages the usage of free documentation according to GNU, non-free according to Debian. That way, things are less obvious. But I wonder which goal we are reaching with these removing games anyway. -- Mathieu Roy Homepage: http://yeupou.coleumes.org Not a native english speaker: http://stock.coleumes.org/doc.php?i=/misc-files/flawed-english
Re: FSF has stopped linking to Debian website
On Friday 26 September 2003, at 14 h 23, Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Compare: http://web.archive.org/web/20021128102620/http://www.gnu.org/links/links.ht= ml with: [ http://www.gnu.org/links/links.html ] Funny, FSF does not mention Debian or FreeBSD anymore, but it mentions VMS, Windows NT and BeOS (all of them free operating systems, as we know).
Re: FSF has stopped linking to Debian website
Stephane Bortzmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : On Friday 26 September 2003, at 14 h 23, Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Compare: http://web.archive.org/web/20021128102620/http://www.gnu.org/links/links.ht= ml with: [ http://www.gnu.org/links/links.html ] Funny, FSF does not mention Debian or FreeBSD anymore, An explanation has been added http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/links/links.html.diff?r1=1.28r2=1.29diff_format=hcvsroot=www.gnu.org * OpenBSD was removed because of mpg123... Well, it cannot imagine that it was not possible to convince OpenBSD people to replace it with mpg321. Strange. http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/links/links.html.diff?r1=1.27r2=1.28diff_format=hcvsroot=www.gnu.org * NetBSD and FreeBSD links were removed because they have proprietary software packages that the distribute on their respective websites. http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/links/links.html.diff?r1=1.26r2=1.27diff_format=hcvsroot=www.gnu.org For NetBSD, I think that's it: http://www.netbsd.org/gallery/software.html For FreeBSD, I did not found the problem on the website. Anyway, it's not a big surprise that *BSD refers to non-free software since the BSD licenses permits building non-free software with their code. * Debian has been removed because of the non-free part. http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/links/links.html.diff?r1=1.24r2=1.25diff_format=hcvsroot=www.gnu.org It has been done 5 weeks, 4 days ago. I hope this has nothing to do with the GFDL issue, which should be treated as a separated issue, if we are not planning to start a war. Sadly, it sounds like a divorce is near. We all have something to loose here. -- Mathieu Roy Homepage: http://yeupou.coleumes.org Not a native english speaker: http://stock.coleumes.org/doc.php?i=/misc-files/flawed-english
Re: FSF has stopped linking to Debian website
There wasn't supposed to be a link to the Debian web site on www.gnu.org, because it lists non-free software packages. Except in the Free Software Directory, we do not link to sites that specifically suggest the use of any non-free program, or that say how to get a copy of one. This policy has existed as long as our web site. The links to such sites were mistakes; I found out about them as a result of the recent discussion, but the removal of these links has nothing to do with that; we are just following our policy. If you find anything on www.gnu.org that doesn't follow this policy, please report it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] We sometimes mention well-known non-free programs and systems in passing, for instance in order to encourage and help people to use free software with them. The mention of Windows, VMS and BeOS should go no further than that. This applies also to mostly-free systems: we mention sometimes in order to encourage and help people to use free software with them.
Re: FSF has stopped linking to Debian website
* Richard Stallman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030927 17:16]: This policy has existed as long as our web site. The links to such sites were mistakes; I found out about them as a result of the recent discussion, but the removal of these links has nothing to do with that; we are just following our policy. If you find anything on www.gnu.org that doesn't follow this policy, please report it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, we can say exactly the same for Debian, just substitute web site with Debian, links with inclusion, However, Debian discourages the usage of non-free software, but the FSF encourages the usage of non-free documentation. So, it's obvious who has more reasons to remove something. Cheers, Andi -- http://home.arcor.de/andreas-barth/ PGP 1024/89FB5CE5 DC F1 85 6D A6 45 9C 0F 3B BE F1 D0 C5 D1 D9 0C
Re: FSF has stopped linking to Debian website
On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 02:23:37PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Compare: http://web.archive.org/web/20021128102620/http://www.gnu.org/links/links.html with: http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=260 You know, I just love how screen is always forgetting what the X selection is. Anyway, I meant: with: http://www.gnu.org/links/links.html ...not like that was difficult to figure out. -- G. Branden Robinson|To Republicans, limited government Debian GNU/Linux |means not assisting people they [EMAIL PROTECTED] |would sooner see shoveled into mass http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |graves. -- Kenneth R. Kahn signature.asc Description: Digital signature
