Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-17 Thread Charlie
Damyan Ivanov wrote: -=| Charlie, 17.07.2007 00:04 |=- Ondrej Certik wrote: uploads it to the NEW queue with a version 0.6.0-1, but it waits there for a month, but I need updates of my package now, so I create versions 0.6.0-1oc1, 0.6.0-1oc2, ..., and when the package hits unstable, I

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-17 Thread Ondrej Certik
Ondrej, Charlie, You can also ask for sponsor for -2, even while -1 is in NEW. This won't disturb the package for sure. The first version in unstable would simply be -2. For example, see console-setup having two versions in NEW[1]. [1] http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html This feature is

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-17 Thread Damyan Ivanov
-=| Charlie, 17.07.2007 09:45 |=- I have a problem that I'm not sure how to fix. The package I have in NEW is 3.3.3.2-1 I had to remove some window support files (.dll and .exe) from the orig.tar.gz and reading through the debian manuals I noticed that the package should have been

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-17 Thread Jon Dowland
On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 03:02:55PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Bart Martens [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007.07.15.1241 +0200]: When the .orig.tar.gz needs repackaging, then this happens: 1.0~rfs.2-1~rfs.1 1.0~rfs.3-1~rfs.1 This should not need to happen. The orig.tar.gz

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-17 Thread Adeodato Simó
I have not read this thread, only the initial message. So sorry if what I propose has already been said. If you want different debian revisions per mentor upload, I think the most reasonable think to do so is to have the mentoree upload: package_1.2.3-4~sp1 (sp == sponsor)

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-16 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 09:37:39PM +0200, Christoph Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I outlined in the mentors.debian.net thread I'm a great fan of not having different uploads with the same revision number. So I'd even like to enforce that uploads to mentors.debian.net with the same revision

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-16 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007.07.15.1819 +0200]: Martin - my only problem with this collapsing of the changes is that debian/changelog would need to be edited by the sponsor to achieve this without causing yet another rebuild and upload to mentors.d.n cycle. This, I don't

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-16 Thread Neil Williams
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:28:09 +0200 martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, we're not here to agree on one procedure, are we — because we likely never will. True. :-) You gave your new policies and I added my 2¢ in the form of showing you how I do things. Or would like to do them.

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-16 Thread Ondrej Certik
There is also another point that I think wasn't yet mentioned - I, as a non DD, create packages mainly because I myself want them, because it is very comfortable. However, with a new package, it takes usually a month or two, until it hits the unstable (many days to find a sponsor and fix all

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-16 Thread Charlie
Ondrej Certik wrote: There is also another point that I think wasn't yet mentioned - I, as a non DD, create packages mainly because I myself want them, because it is very comfortable. However, with a new package, it takes usually a month or two, until it hits the unstable (many days to

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-16 Thread Damyan Ivanov
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -=| Charlie, 17.07.2007 00:04 |=- Ondrej Certik wrote: uploads it to the NEW queue with a version 0.6.0-1, but it waits there for a month, but I need updates of my package now, so I create versions 0.6.0-1oc1, 0.6.0-1oc2, ..., and when the

Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-15 Thread Neil Williams
I think it is about time that I changed the way I handle one element of my sponsoring: I think that trying to retain the same Debian version during the entire sponsorship process is prone to error and teaches bad habits. In future, I think it is easier for everyone if every change during

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-15 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Neil Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007.07.15.1133 +0200]: I think it is about time that I changed the way I handle one element of my sponsoring: I think that trying to retain the same Debian version during the entire sponsorship process is prone to error and teaches bad habits. In

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-15 Thread Bart Martens
On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 10:33 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: I think it is easier for everyone if every change during sponsorship gets a new Debian version, so if you need me to sponsor packages, each upload to mentors.debian.net must use a new Debian version. That makes debian/changelog written

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-15 Thread Bart Martens
On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 11:45 +0200, martin f krafft wrote: I make use of the new ~ character in version strings. Even more my own packages, I'll release 1.0-1~unreleased.1 1.0-1~unreleased.2 1.0-1~unreleased.3 until it's final and I can release 1.0-1, for which I merge the

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-15 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:23:48 +0200 Bart Martens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 10:33 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: I think it is easier for everyone if every change during sponsorship gets a new Debian version, so if you need me to sponsor packages, each upload to

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-15 Thread Francesco Cecconi
Hi, On Sunday 15 July 2007, Bart Martens wrote: Or is this over the top? Maybe it needlessly complicates things for newbie packagers... Non-DD's are also welcome to comment ! a good approach in my opinion, it's: 1.0-1~rfs.1 1.0-1~rfs.2 1.0-1 version and revision for

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-15 Thread Bart Martens
On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 12:02 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:23:48 +0200 Bart Martens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 10:33 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: I think it is easier for everyone if every change during sponsorship gets a new Debian version, so if

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-15 Thread Francesco Namuri
Hi, IMHO it's a good idea to follow the requirements of ftp-master, it's a good practice that get used the new devoloppers to made the things in the right way, I understand the issues of this in the changelogs, but I think it's funny to see after many years the mistakes made attempting to made my

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-15 Thread Deepak Tripathi
Bart Martens wrote: On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 12:02 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:23:48 +0200 Bart Martens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 10:33 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: I think it is easier for everyone if every change during sponsorship

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-15 Thread Colin Tuckley
Bart Martens wrote: It's not a huge problem, but it's not so nice to have all beginners mistakes logged forever for the whole world to see. Speaking as someone in NM, that is an important point. I don't use mentors for my uploads, I either use my own web space or a system put in place by my

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-15 Thread George Danchev
On Sunday 15 July 2007, Bart Martens wrote: On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 12:02 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: --cut-- Something like this ? packagename (0.1.0-8) unstable; urgency=low * Updated debian/watch to recognize both .tar.gz and .tar.bz2, now revealing the real latest upstream release.

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-15 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Bart Martens [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007.07.15.1241 +0200]: When the .orig.tar.gz needs repackaging, then this happens: 1.0~rfs.2-1~rfs.1 1.0~rfs.3-1~rfs.1 This should not need to happen. The orig.tar.gz should hardly ever be repacked. -- Please do not send copies of list

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-15 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Colin Tuckley [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007.07.15.1501 +0200]: 1) I don't want my failed attempts seen forever. 2) it's a lot of unneeded and irrelevant information. (it's about the packaging *attempt* not about the packaging). You may have missed my point about merging the

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-15 Thread Colin Tuckley
martin f krafft wrote: You may have missed my point about merging the changelog entries when preparing the final version. Until then, having changelog entries for mentee changes is rather helpful to the sponsor, I think. No, I saw it and assumed that is what would happen in the case where

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-15 Thread Bart Martens
On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 16:47 +0300, George Danchev wrote: On Sunday 15 July 2007, Bart Martens wrote: On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 12:02 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: --cut-- Something like this ? packagename (0.1.0-8) unstable; urgency=low * Updated debian/watch to recognize both .tar.gz

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-15 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Colin Tuckley [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007.07.15.1618 +0200]: No, I saw it and assumed that is what would happen in the case where the uploads use ~r1 etc and the final upload to Debian by the sponsor deleted the extra part of the revision. It's having all the changelog entries for

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-15 Thread George Danchev
On Sunday 15 July 2007, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Colin Tuckley [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007.07.15.1618 +0200]: No, I saw it and assumed that is what would happen in the case where the uploads use ~r1 etc and the final upload to Debian by the sponsor deleted the extra part of the

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-15 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Yes, exactly. Each packaging attempt gets a separate changelog entry and when it's final, you merge them all, effectively erasing the history. If I understand you correctly you mean a progress as follows: === Day 1 === Day 1 is probably a bit confusing here. A new revision every

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-15 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:32:23 +0300 On Sunday 15 July 2007, martin f krafft wrote: Yes, exactly. Each packaging attempt gets a separate changelog entry and when it's final, you merge them all, effectively erasing the history. Martin - my only problem with this collapsing of the changes is

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 12:23:48PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote: On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 10:33 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: I think it is easier for everyone if every change during sponsorship gets a new Debian version, so if you need me to sponsor packages, each upload to mentors.debian.net must

Re: Change in my sponsorship requirements

2007-07-15 Thread Christoph Haas
On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 12:41:16PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote: On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 11:45 +0200, martin f krafft wrote: I make use of the new ~ character in version strings. Even more my own packages, I'll release 1.0-1~unreleased.1 1.0-1~unreleased.2 1.0-1~unreleased.3